Turning the tables on the Taliban
posted at 10:05 am on April 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Here’s a feel-good story for a Saturday morning about our fighting men in Afghanistan — and it’s from the New York Times. C.J. Chivers tells the story of how one American unit turned the tables on the Taliban by ambushing one of their patrols before they could set up their own ambush of NATO forces, and wiped out the entire contingent:
Only the lead insurgents were disciplined as they walked along the ridge. They moved carefully, with weapons ready and at least five yards between each man, the soldiers who surprised them said.
Behind them, a knot of Taliban fighters walked in a denser group, some with rifles slung on their shoulders — “pretty much exactly the way we tell soldiers not to do it,” said Specialist Robert Soto, the radio operator for the American patrol.
If these insurgents came close enough, the soldiers knew, the patrol could kill them in a batch.
Fight by fight, the infantryman’s war in Afghanistan is often waged on the Taliban’s terms. Insurgents ambush convoys and patrols from high ridges or long ranges and slip away as the Americans, weighed down by equipment, return fire and call for air and artillery support. Last week a patrol from the First Infantry Division reversed the routine.
An American platoon surprised an armed Taliban column on a forested ridgeline at night, and killed at least 13 insurgents, and perhaps many more, with rifles, machine guns, Claymore mines, hand grenades and a knife.
Which is followed by the stanard NYT disclaimer in the very next paragraph:
The one-sided fight, fought on the slopes of the same mountain where a Navy Seal patrol was surrounded in 2005 and a helicopter with reinforcements was shot down, does not change the war. It was one of hundreds of firefights that have occurred in the Korangal Valley, an isolated region where local insurgents and the Americans have been locked in a bitter stalemate for more than three years.
It doesn’t change the war, except to the extent that these particular fighters will not return to kill any more Americans or other NATO fighters. It doesn’t change the war, except that the Taliban not only lost some foot soldiers, they lost the leaders who knew more about what they were doing than their followers on this mission. It doesn’t change the war any more than a few soldiers dying on one side ever does, which is to say that it always changes the war — just a bit.
That’s the only off-key note in an excellent, lengthy, step-by-step report by Chivers on the counter-ambush. It reminds us that the Taliban, for all their fervor and danger, have no chance against a well-trained military. They made several mistakes that indicate a lack of training, which Chivers recounts: switching on flashlights, walking openly even in the dark with rifles slung, talking, and so on.
Veterans objected to a few scenes of Saving Private Ryan where the detail is walking across the French countryside in the open, rifles slung, and chatting amongst themselves in broad daylight while pushing through still-contested territory. They noted that such actions would be suicidal in wartime. This engagement proves the point.
Good training beats religious fervor in the long run. We proved that in Iraq, too, and we’ll prove it in Afghanistan more times than this.









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Semper Fi.
Johan Klaus on April 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM
The New York Times printing something positive about our military? Bankruptcy must be beginnig to scare the hell out of them.Their propaganda machine has been brainwashing New Yorkers for decades. Is there really a light at the end of the tunnel?
volsense on April 18, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Hooah!
(and Airborne!)
XWing5 on April 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Winning on the battlefield.
Losing on the political front.
blatantblue on April 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Wait a minute. Now the NYT is publishing favorable stories about the War on Terror? The same NYT that would not adequately cover a New Yorker who earned the Medal Of Honor, and it cost him is life doing it?
So finally, as far as the NYT is concerned, we are finally doing something right? What a despicable group of “journalists” those people are. I wonder if their stock prices are still less than the cost of their newspaper….
Great going to our Armed Forces deployed in harm’s way. Stay safe, keep up the good work, and keep showing the world why one shouldn’t jerk on the United States chain.
Hog Wild on April 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM
And no need to make up any extra beds at Gitmo.
BL@KBIRD on April 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Isn’t this the ‘Big Red One’?
thomasaur on April 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Thank God for the American infantryman.
Limerick on April 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM
26th Infantry
Limerick on April 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM
The New York Times printing something positive about our military? Bankruptcy must be beginnig to scare the hell out of them.
volsense on April 18, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I’m more inclined to think the New York Times deems it necessary, appropriate, and just, now that Obama is the Commander in Chief, and not Bush. I could pretty much guess how the story would have read, had Bush still been the President, when this happened. You know….the baby killers, and the fighters killing unarmed, innocent men, and children.
capejasmine on April 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM
8 Day Week, SO GLAD TO GET THE NEWS.
Bravo!!!!
maverick muse on April 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Warms the heart. Nice work, gentlemen!
Tony737 on April 18, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Volsense:
You didn’t get the memo. It’s cool to be patriotic and support both the military and the CIC now.
obladioblada on April 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM
It really brings tears to my eyes when I read the stories or talk to the troops who are at the pointy end of this war. Despite their panytwaist/girlyman CINC and the wacky left wing governing[excuse me,,ruling] this country, they soldier on. Way to go men and women, all ranks,,you are and will be the future of this country. Just do not fire on your fellow citizens.
retiredeagle on April 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Trust our military’s professionalism!
maverick muse on April 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Take no prisoners. Obooba won’t let you interrogate them anyway, and will let them go in Times Square with an ATM card.
Akzed on April 18, 2009 at 10:45 AM
say a prayer for all of these men/women. our government, nor our CinC supports them.
and did any of you see Capt phillips news conf yesterday? he went on & on about the military & his crew. no mention of himself or the idiot in chief. good for him. that guy is a patriot.
kelley in virginia on April 18, 2009 at 10:46 AM
A wedding party, don’t you know.
Johan Klaus on April 18, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Dead men cannot fight.
Johan Klaus on April 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM
It’s great the soldiers were allowed to kill the scum. The other day a great soldier was arrested and punished a life sentence for 30 years for killing a terrorist! gateway Pundit had the story. I couldn’t believe the story. How the brave and virtuous are eaten away by the rotten rats of Left.
promachus on April 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM
That’s true. I caught CNN today after two years and the whole graphics were so festive. They were celebrating Obama’s first 100 days with E Pluribus Unum and the bald eagle and regular July 4th stuff.
promachus on April 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Notice that little bit of word-crafting on the part of the NYT?
Guess they want to make it a “fair” fight…you know, give the Taliban a bit of a handicap, maybe offer them a few extra strokes on their scorecard, so it will not be “one-sided?” Just not fair that our heavily-armed, and well-trained and disciplined troops out there have such an advantage. “It just isn’t fair,” as Henry Bemis said, sitting in that pile of rubble, books all around him, and eyeglasses shattered.
I am certain, as is the NYT, that the Taliban would be more than happy to give us a few extra points, you know, to keep things “fair.” Bring back real dodge ball…stop this “hold-ball” mentality pervading our society.
coldwarrior on April 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Now that’s what I call “gun control”!
Way to go guys, keep up the body count and continue the hunt!
conservnut on April 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Gasp! Weren’t those people read their rights before our troops opened fire?
GarandFan on April 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I’m sure American forces have been doing this for the entire war. Spec Ops wiped out the Taliban in 2001/2002 with exactly this type of warfare. It’s nice to see the NYT reporting about ambush patrols 7 years later.
Mojave Mark on April 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
They are writing something positive only because Obama is the president.
rlwo2008 on April 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Roger that CW. The Times always manages a dig.
These are the same weapons the Taliban used the night they ambushed our patrol coming back from a Shura on their way back to FOB Copenhagen. That one-sided fight cost us six American lives and every one of the 26 trooper unit came away with a wound of some sort.
That was the same night our Flight MEDIC won a Silver Star. On the ground, it’s no where near one-sided. Our guys deserve credit with no asterisks.
hawkdriver on April 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Their training and the like is where ACORN funding should be redirected.
BuckeyeSam on April 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Yep.
The “one sided” is what jumped out at me, too.
They call a “fire fight” “one sided”?
Were the ‘murricans firing at themselves?
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Our soldiers really aren’t playing fair per NYT
mockmook on April 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM
It seems the missing links in DC are more afraid of our returning heroes than they are of the Taliban. And well they should be…
OkieDoc on April 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Sweet.
Mallard T. Drake on April 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM
It seems the missing links in DC are more afraid of our returning heroes than they are of the Taliban. And well they should be…
OkieDoc on April 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM
As well they are; these are the type of returning servicement that the DHS report accuses of joining “domestic terrorist groups”. Welcome back guys and job well done, now you’re on a terrorist watch list for life.
mad scientist on April 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM
NYT announces that Barry had first hand knowledge of the Taliban patrol and proceeded to direct the ambush. But because it was at night he couldn’t see to move his plastic armymen on the table without hillary holding his fleshlight.
lasertex on April 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM
WHAT!?! They attacked the insurgents before the insurgents attacked them! They perfomed a pre-emptive strike!?! Why, that’s absolutely un-American. And they killed the insurgents before the insurgents killed them. Monstrous.
/moonbat off
29Victor on April 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Let me do some quick “back of the napkin” math here. Let me see now, a = b / (c – d). OK, great news! We should be able to leave Afghanistan in 3,456 years. Approximately, of course.
MB4 on April 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM
This is a family-oriented blog…I hope that was a misspelling. :-)
coldwarrior on April 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM
That “discordant note” at the end suggests to me that the NYT is trying to give the Taliban reason for hope.
njcommuter on April 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Hooah to our boys!!
As for the NYT…get a spine and stop trashing the troops.
Wilberforce_chick on April 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM
They also failed to note that this kind of operation can and likely will be refined and repeated by our troops throughout the region, denying the Taliban their ambush victories and decimating their numbers, which would, change the war.
Maquis on April 18, 2009 at 3:40 PM
The last bit of the article decrying the uselessness of fighting this war at all probably wasn’t authored by the same person that did the preceding article. The NYT will never allow something completely positive about our troops to be published.
The only thing the military did wrong in this instance is let any one of the talibanies live. I believe that in a war, especially in a war against people like this, you take no prisoners unless they are flying a white flag. Everyone else dies and you make sure the enemy knows this.
Spiritk9 on April 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Exactly what needs to be done.
Get aerial recon 24/7/52 and ambush the ambushers. That’s going to mean more boots on the ground for a while – aka surge, but that’s what worked in Iraq. TF ODIN, anyone?
HotAirJosef on April 18, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Great to hear a good story on that front. Horrible place to have to fight …
Stickeehands on April 18, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Now that BO has committed the military to a larger effort in Afghanistan, the Afghan conflict becomes Obama’s war. The press will portray it as all red, white, and blue fireworks and victory. Please note the oblique references to the years of American troops getting hammered in that valley while Bush was in office.
Get ready for a lot more of this. All of a sudden it is going to become fashionable for the U.S. military to win.
Hawthorne on April 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I guess the operational readiness of their forces has diminished immensely since the CIA and JSOC have been targeting camps and safe houses in Pakistan. A program started by Bush, but I don’t think the media will give him credit when it’s all said and done.
Cr4sh Dummy on April 18, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Interestingly, the fight was “one sided” because we have outfitted our troops with the best stuff money can buy, on the principle that each is worthy of the best protections and battlefield advantages we can provide,
That doesn’t stop the enemy from occasionally killing or wounding a trooper, which is why all these men are brave and patriotic to be where they are, when in this volunteer world they could be totally elsewhere — like President of the United States.
unclesmrgol on April 19, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Lets see, hum
The Left want Gitmo closed, its being closed. Now we have nowhere to keep prisoners.
But that’s okay, see the Left doesn’t want prisoners interrogated, We are no longer interrogate prisoners.
Can’t even have a Caterpillar bug in their cells, as that is TORCHURE!!!!!
No Bugs No Gitmo
No interrogatetion
The Left WON!
Now our Intel efforts are down to scavenging dead bodies for paper and such.
The conflict is intensifying yet we get NO NEW POW’s
Is this an example what is known as “Pygmalion”?
Careful what ya ask for cuz ya just might get it.
DSchoen on April 19, 2009 at 5:07 AM
yes there is light at the end of the tunnel and it’s a train
as far as are troops go they are the best troops in the world and if any of you troops are out there reading this let me tell you someting we the consevatives in AMERICA love you we are so proud of you and we make you a promise today we are going to get the vote out and take this country back so please hang in there help is on the way godbless you wonderful people and thank you for the freedom you give us everyday be safe
wade underhile on April 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Hogwild – didn’t you hear? The NYT is running a promo – subscribe for thirteen weeks and get a complimentary hundred shares of NYT stock. Such a deal!
CatchAll on April 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
As much as I dislike agreeing with them, the NY Times is right this time. This incident DIDN’T change the war. We’re still winning. Much to their chagrin.
wolfva on April 20, 2009 at 6:06 AM
It is supposed to be one-sided.
Also, the loss of the leaders that knew what they were doing is the hardest part for the Talib to recover from. In 2004-2005, we saw the results of how hard it was for them to replace the cadre they lost in 2001-2002 – several large groups straggling over the border never even made contact – the A-10s chewed them all up. This is a very good result by the 26th – for the present and future fight.
LTC John on April 20, 2009 at 8:34 AM
You guys realize the utter bullshit that is rampant in what the MSM and trolls report as the cost of prosecuting this war don’t you? I’ve seen blogs about how each terriorist (sic) costs upwards $14 million dollars to kill. Well, hey if it SAVES a million lives over time, that’s a damn good investment in my book!
Good work boys, keep it up. You’ll be remembered here and hereafter. Thank you.
OkieDoc on April 20, 2009 at 10:44 PM