Quote of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on April 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
“There are those who think we can win the White House and Congress back by being ‘more’ conservative. Worse, there are those who think we can win by changing nothing at all about what our party has become. They just want to wait for the other side to be perceived as worse than us. I think we’re seeing a war brewing in the Republican party, but it is not between us and Democrats. It is not between us and liberals. It is between the future and the past. I believe most people are ready to move on to that future…
I am concerned about the environment. I love to wear black. I think government is best when it stays out of people’s lives and business as much as possible. I love punk rock. I believe in a strong national defense. I have a tattoo. I believe government should always be efficient and accountable. I have lots of gay friends. And yes, I am a Republican.”
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AP is not the one obsessing over the weight of the person. I think the posters who keep harping on it probably do so because they were rejected by the fat chick who was doing everyone else.
The rest of her detractors seem to want to prove how exclusive a club they want the GOP to be. 4 or 4 million – it doesn’t matter because we are the true conservatives and the revolution will prove that…. talk about koolaid drinking.
Isn’t it time for a thread called “Run Bristol out of Town because she didn’t behave as a good conservative and had sex before Marriage”
I do love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. It smells like electoral blowouts…
Bradky on April 19, 2009 at 6:03 AM
What is a small-government statist?
She agrees with conservatives on the most important issues. She favors strong national defense, lower taxes, and oppose out-of-control government spending (just like her dad). Geez, what a pinko commie monster. Heck, she’s more conservative than George Bush.
I won’t pretend that her valley-girl mannerisms don’t chafe, but she’s thoughtful, sincere and shares your values on many important issues. Why all the hate? She can be a persuasive voice for bedrock conservative economic values, reaching out to voters who long ago tuned out Rush Limbaugh.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 6:04 AM
… Uh… Ask Meghan… One minute she wants a small government. The next she seems to be hinting that the government should interfere in social matters to protect her friends and their “rights.” I wonder if she also supports McCain-Feingold? Yeah, small government limiting free speech…
3 issues. I would hope the Conservative cause is a tad larger scale than that. Further, many liberals support strong national defense. At this moment, she sounds, well, just like her dad – a blue-dog dem…
Thoughtful? Sincere? 3 issues… Hate? Nope, lack of respect. Persuasive? Really, who is she going to persuade? Her demographic is a small one. What is her demographic? White, female, 3-issue conservative, spoiled, valley girl… Yeah, she’s going to appeal to many a 25yo. If you want to appeal to this demographic, get Paris Hilton on your side (seriously, she’s more successful).
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 6:23 AM
She could, but she doesn’t. She focuses on her disagreements with conservatives instead. Why? Many have argued convincingly that the only reason she gets in the news at all is to be used by a liberal media to cause division and disunity within the republican party, Others say that she is simply tying to carve out a living attacking conservatives. And still others say both are true.
Dollayo on April 19, 2009 at 6:26 AM
I have no problem with big tent republicanism. No problem at all.
1. traditional values (i.e. we don’t kill our unborn or use embryos for experimentation, we think history proves the stability of the nuclear family–one man, one woman and kids–is worth elevating over transient lust),
2. smaller, efficient government concerned with the protection of the population and physical infrastructure
3. less entitlements, more personal responsibility
4. less grievance politics and more creative ingenuity
5. will of the voting public through proper representation and not judicial fiat, then, there you go.
You want to be gay? Fine. Be gay. No one is stopping you. But, GOP, to insert oneself into grievance/minority politics over tradition and correct historical understanding of the role of the nuclear family…and insulting the rank and file who have supported you is not only party suicide, it is national suicide.
It’s great to know that Meg thinks long term about things things, you know. /sarc
She loves that spotlight, doesn’t she?
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 6:26 AM
I have yet to see evidence that she’s thoughtful. She can parrot the talking points as well as John McCain, but we know how serious and philosophically grounded he was about any issue that wasn’t strictly defense or earmarks.
All the hate comes because people sense a phony, and the reason they sense a phony is because this chick has obviously bought the stereotype of “her” party wholesale. Ex:
Oh please.
She, just like like gorgon Janeane Garofalo, does not interact with the real party or real people: she deals with the cartoonish strawman instead; the 1950′s George Will/Leave It to Beaver stereotype of what a Republican or a conservative is.
Lehosh on April 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM
I lurked this site since inception but between the massive troll growth in the last few weeks (that nobody will control) and Allahpundits fixation on beta males, Hitchens worship, atheism, Meghan McCain, and other such worthless filler I’ve had enough.
It may make for good site hit quota, but frankly it’s really annoying at a time when serious things are happening in the US. Is this a political site or People magazine? Make up your mind.
Sugarbuzz on April 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM
The division within the Republican party isn’t a media conspiracy. The sooner conservatives figure this out, the sooner they can mount an effective opposition to Obama in 2012. The next Republican candidate for president will be everything social conservatives could ask for, just like McCain was: anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-secularist. Megan McCain isn’t going to change that, but she (along with the other “moderates”) can help make the voters who have fled the Christian Right-dominated party feel safe again about voting for a Republican president.
I’m not saying social cons should give up their fight to shape the Republican party, just that it’s counter-productive to treat the slightest deviation from utter orthodoxy like some kind of crime against humanity.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 6:57 AM
That’s if we’re lucky ;) I think when MegMac talks about “Old Republicanism,” she’s also including “Old Democraticism”
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 7:01 AM
This must have been why the base got stoked for Mac… McCain isn’t even comfortable talking about the concerns of the SoCons…
And what about us that have fled the fiscally irresponsible party (under McCain and Bush)? McCain may preach against his earmarks, but he freely let his colleagues spend away.
What about those of us that have fled the party that no longer seems interested in Civil Liberties? Again, what about McCain-Feingold?
McCain didn’t appeal to the SoCons OR the Libertarian leaning voters. Who did he appeal to? Who does his daughter appeal to?
Upstater85 on April 19, 2009 at 7:09 AM
Read the quote of the day. I thought she provided an interesting insight into the tension in the Republican party. Put it this way: I’d take her without hesitation in a policy debate against Sarah Palin.
After watching these anti-gay marriage ads (to stay on topic), I think the stereotype isn’t that far off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp76ly2_NoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9d38EoQ9pg
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 7:21 AM
I, I, I, I, I, I ………
That’s Meghan – it’s all about her. So boring. Maybe that’s why she can’t get a date.
BigD on April 19, 2009 at 7:23 AM
McCain directly attacked Obama on abortion at the debates. He picked Sarah Palin, unknown at the time, specifically to appeal to social conservatives. Does it get more pro-life than Sarah Palin? He spoke frankly (and movingly, even to this atheist) about his Christian faith at the Saddleback forum. He clearly stated his opposition to gay marriage. He is on record as supporting balancing science education with creationist religious instruction, aka “teaching both sides.” He made a point of singling out funding a planetarium as an example of wasteful spending. He’s a dyed -in-the-wool social conservative, and if he hadn’t been, his support of amnesty would have disqualified him as the Republican candidate for the presidency.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 7:31 AM
You know if she could just come to add her view on accountable and efficient government to that of not wanting to government to try and legislate morality at the federal level, you would get: small government with the States playing a central role to bring their parts of the Nation into agreement with their people to thrash out any social questions that arise.
Where she loses that is in this:
That is Teddy Rooseveltian Republicanism.
Teddy Roosevelt scoffed at States Rights as a ‘fetish’.
He also thought that Lincoln should not have shut down the power of government necessary during wartime.
Teddy Roosevelt stated he would not care for the limited powers stated in the Constitution, but wanted a broad interpretation of same.
‘Progressive’ Republicans look very little different from ‘Progressive’ Democrats and will seek to centralize government in the affairs of the Nation. Meghan McCain doesn’t know what she is spouting… ‘Progressives’ have always been antagonistic towards those seeking to conserve the rights and values gained in the Revolution and the check on federal power by the States and the people. Soon her ‘next, natural journey’ will take her to Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover and FDR, Progressives all.
That fight inside the Republican Party has been going on since the end of the 19th century, and the result of ‘Progressive’ politics where the government takes a central role in all aspects of one’s life, and then blames others for the role it takes is nauseating and disgusting. It is not that Elite D and R members are so alike, it is that they go to a common hymnal of Progressivism and choose different songs to sing… all the same set of praises for government.
ajacksonian on April 19, 2009 at 7:39 AM
He only gets one vote, just like the rest of them. One of the reasons he’s so unpopular with his senate colleagues is his steadfast opposition to earmarking.
It was a failed attempt to fix our corrupt campaign-financing laws. At least he tried. Not sure what that has to do with Megan McCain, though.
That’s hardly his daughter’s fault.
His daughter appeals to me. I’m probably the only one she appeals to, but, hey, I’ll stick up for her, anyway.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM
RightofLeft
His liberal ties and choices DID disqualify him with many conservatives.
Mormon Doc on April 19, 2009 at 7:53 AM
Good for you. Have fun losing elections because the conservatives stay home because of RINOs.
This seals the deal Conservatives need to completely purge the RINOs or start a third party that could eventually supplant the Repubs nationally. There is so little difference between dems and where this B*^%@H wants the Repubs to be. I’m shocked that the the number one RINO has raised a dem calling herself a progressive republican…absolutely shocked.
jwp1964 on April 19, 2009 at 7:56 AM
Running for daddy’s seat when he retires…
albill on April 19, 2009 at 7:59 AM
McCain was hardly any of those things.
He stated that life began at conception when he was at Camelback Church, but he wanted to fund embryonic stem cell research.
As for being “anti-secularist,” I believe NObama said he was a Christian more often than McCain.
As for him being against same sex marriage, I’m not aware that McCain ever took a firm stand on that issue.
McCain was a horrible, horrible candidate and without Palin upholding Conservative values, he would have been toast!
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM
Not enough to lose the primary. There’s a deep rift among the right-of-center voters that’s been obvious since the circus of a presidential primary. All the factions have to come together to prevent the looming trainwreck of a second-term for Obama. That won’t happen without winning back some RINOS.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Try to get in touch and give her a call!
Meghan desperately needs a man (isn’t it obvious?)!
The minute she gets busy with a lover and a boyfriend, she’ll stop this babbling about stuff she knows nothing about, so go find her and get to it!
She’s almost as annoying as Garbarfalo and with a lot less excuses.
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 8:04 AM
You’re so wrong–we got stuck with McCain because of those RINOs, especially those on the East Coast like in New Hampshire…
McCain was “the centrist candidate, the moderate, the guy who couldn’t wait to cross the aisle to work with the Democrats…” and he lost.
Because he wouldn’t stand for anything during his campaign and he wouldn’t go after NObama on the issues because it was “racist.”
We lost the election because we didn’t run a real Conservative candidate and the base stayed home, plus we gave the moderates and independents no reason not to vote for NObama, the default candidate.
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Geaclue, I haven’t had the chance to welcome you this morning…FO troll!
jwp1964 on April 19, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Bingo!
unwashed minion on April 19, 2009 at 8:14 AM
I believe in unicorns, too.
Proud Rino on April 19, 2009 at 8:15 AM
She’s actually right and wrong here. She’s right that you can’t win the WH back by being more conservative. But she’s wrong that you can win back the White House by doing nothing at all. Of course you can. See 1976 for a fine example of “winning back the White House by doing nothing at all.”
Proud Rino on April 19, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Question for Republicans and conservatives who say forget about social issues. If you do that what will happen? Democrats will then own social issues, ok. What does that mean? Anything goes? Gay marriage, legalize drugs, ok fine,
Then what? You know there a groups that will continue to push the envelope on deviant behavior. Is there anything you would object to? Draw the line on? Or is it only certain social issues you say hands off on. Is there a difference between a social issue and a criminal issue? When is the line crossed? Are there no limits on social behavior?
Dasher on April 19, 2009 at 8:20 AM
That’s like people saying they are cool because they party. Anyone with an i.d. and money can drink. So…yeah.
I am concerned about the environment…insofar as I protect my kids from crap chemicals…BUT THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY.
I love to wear black, too. But, that is because I also look at magazines and follow trends, generally. Aren’t I hip and cool?
I have a tattoo on my left shoulderblade. I got it when I was an uber cool 18 year old. Lots of people have Looney Toons tattoos, as well…so, your point is?
So, the fact that you surround yourself with gay friends sounds to me more like street-cred boosterism rather than real conviction.
If there is ANY biblical understanding and a shred of conservative conviction in her, when she marries and has babies of her own, I wonder if she will change her tune?
Until then, I sure wish people would stop giving this insecure woman air time.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 8:22 AM
You and she are both wrong!
We can win the WH back by being more Conservative–See the triumph of Ronald Reagan in 1980.
As for 1976, there was no way a Republican was going to win after the hatchet job the MSM did on Republicans because of Watergate and Nixon.
That being said, Gerald Ford damn near won the election even with all that was going against him!
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 8:24 AM
So the conservatives should forget what they believe on social issues and adopt the gay lifestyle. Okay, why can’t the gays forget what they believe and adopt the conservative lifestyle.
Why do we always have to give up our beliefs for those who wouldn’t do the same for us?
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 8:25 AM
The problem with Megan’s statement is that she did not mention God.
She listed her beliefs and pleasures but did not put God at the top of the list.
This is the problem with today’s college educated generation. They do not put God first. Her list consists of behaviors related to popularity, thrill seeking, vanity and sexuality, interspersed with conservative policies.
Am I the only one who sees this?
Without God, there is no humility.
garyganu on April 19, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Without God, there is no love either (1 John 4).
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM
My “civic life” is defined by my “church life!!”
In fact,,, it’s all just “church life” for me!! There is no separation!! If it wasn’t for God why would I even care to freakin blog, for crying out loud!! What would be the freakin point!!
If your church life has nothing to offer your civic life,, then I ask what the ,,, good is it!!!! Your church life is worthless!! Hide in your church if you want to,,, civic life will find you!! If you don’t bring God to your civic life,, That same civic life will bring itself crashing through your church doors like a hungry wild beast!!!
JellyToast on April 19, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Right, because Reagan only one because he was more conservative, and not because Carter had an approval rating in the 30s at the time of the election.
Anyone could have beaten Carter in 80. The fact that Reagan was a likable, compelling candidate certainly didn’t hurt. But people’s political values didn’t change that much from 1976 to 1980. You can win and be a more conservative candidate, but you can’t win *because* you’re a more conservative candidate.
Proud Rino on April 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Why would we care what Megan Mcain thinks?
Nobody posts what Amy Carter or Chelsea Clinton thinks and their dad’s were actually Presidents.
I have nothing against RINO’s. I think the RINO hunting is stupid and damaging, but these chronic Megan McCain posts are a waste.
This used to be a great site. There was an original video blog. Now there is just headlines, YouTube segments and Allah posting s#!t to drive people away.
Mr Purple on April 19, 2009 at 8:34 AM
You forgot, “I am an idiot.”
Mr. Grump on April 19, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Judging by the number of comments he gets on each Palin and McCain thread, I don’t think people are going anywhere
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 8:42 AM
“WORSE: There are those who think we can win by changing nothing at all about WHAT OUR PARTY HAS BECOME.”
Whatever else, Meghan lacks the eloquence of logic.
If not pathetic, she is ridiculous. Only seeing what she does from her princess lofty pedestal, Meghan suffers near-sighted tunnel vision compounded by her psychological delusion believing that she walks on air.
Dissatisfaction is the mode of our day. Everyone in the GOP has a bone to pick. And each bone comes at someone’s expense. Intentionally, Meghan offered herself to be the ample sacrificial lamb that will liberally feed her intented target congregation of conservatives. But Meghan suffers that McCain folly of UNintended consequences.
1. The more we get to know her, the more we dislike her.
2. The more she says, the more we see through her.
3. Conservatives are changing what the Republican Party has become. FROM the RINO progressive socialist uniparty of “bipartisan” prostitutes liberally applying taxes and burdens while liberally dismantling the Constitution, conservatives are energized TO the minimalist platform on which Republicans DO agree and upon which our nation has prospered under the Constitution.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Judging from your limited lifetime @ HotAir, you are in error.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Yes, you can and Reagan proved it!
It’s not true that “anyone could have beaten Carter.”
Carter was the incumbent and should have had the wind at his back.
What condemned Carter was his Leftist and his “blame America first” attitude, particularly vis-a-vis the Iranian hostage crisis and his fiscal irresponsibility.
America was suffering not only humiliation abroad with the Iran situation but misery at home where interest rates were at 21%.
And Carter provided no leadership on any front, just whined that we should learn to live with it all.
Ronald Reagan talked about American exceptionalism and “morning in America,” staying strong and positive on the things that made America great, all of them Conservative values.
In polls, over 60% of the American electorate self-identify as Conservatives, year after year.
Why wouldn’t a candidate win by being more Conservative?
Even the Democrats that have won in the past 2 elections have won by being (or appearing to be) more Conservative.
It’s fast getting to the point where I am going to ignore any troll that tells us we should be less Conservative to win the next election!
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Hmm no comments at all.
Ok here is a social issue. Smoking. I don’t smoke. Never have. But should the government be making laws about where you can smoke or not smoke. If they are so worried, why not just outlaw tobacco products outright? It worked well with prohibition.
Dasher on April 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM
LOL, had to see what nonsense is happening on her Twitter page:
So, you kids need a room?
Marcus on April 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Because that’s not true.
http://www.electionstudies.org/nesguide/toptable/tab3_1.htm
Proud Rino on April 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
I think I have added MM threads along with Gov. Palin threads that I won’t visit in the future. She’s a lovely young woman but I know few who hold the same beliefs that they did at twenty-four. She is a the beginning of the learning curve, lives in a rarefied world and has so little real life experience as to render her useless. I have three adult children that can say all of the exact same things as Ms. McCain but they work, they have bills and deal with average Americans all day long. Their thoughts on any subject are more valid to me, as you would expect.
Cindy Munford on April 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Gays will be able to get married, which will encourage healthier, monogamous relationships. Women will continue to have the right to get abortions, but it will be easier to ask for restrictions on the practice if there’s no threat of overturning Roe v Wade. The courts will function more efficiently without the strain of prosecuting nonviolent drug offenders. Good things.
Yes, there are limits. After legalizing marijuana and gay marriage, we can keep the laws we already have as appropriate limits.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM
I agree 100%. Except I’ll still visit the threads because they’re awesome.
Proud Rino on April 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Upstater-
Who ever was responsible for the above opinion of Meghan McCain’s appeal to ANY segment of conservatives is living in a dream world. My guess would be that it’s an older man who lumps anyone under the age of 40 in the same boat- assuming that we think she’s young and cool, and we all want to be just like her. Newsflash! She’s a joke! She wouldn’t have accomplished anything in this world without daddy’s, (actually, mommy’s) money getting her there. I’m not saying some of her views don’t hold some merit, but as for a “voice” of my party? Not a chance.
anniekc on April 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Dude–the only “Left” you could be “right” of is the Far Left!
The Conservative movement isn’t going to sanction same sex “marriage,” legalize pot or stop defending the Right to Life.
Get used to it and stay with the Democrats!
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Sorry, “Proud”Rino, but my polls and what they mean beat your Leftist production:
American Thinker: Biggest Missing Story in Politics
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM
@allapundit :-)
Remind Meg on Twit that W, Palin, and “teabagging” bashing this week on The View can only mean good things for future MSNBC and HuffPo gigs.
xxoxx
Marcus on April 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM
I agree with Megan … she and Hanna Montana should run for Pres & VP next round. Good luck with that … little miss “Proud Republican”.
Suggestion: While you’re running – how about telling us exactly WTF you’ve ever done for the Republican party? How about telling us exactly how much you’ve done for this country? Detail for us your military experience and where your profound understanding of politics come from? Tell us about the successful companies you’ve run.
In short – TELL US WHY YOU … MISS MCCAIN … ARE MORE QUALIFIED TO LECTURE US ON POLITICS THAN A NEW YORK CITY CAB DRIVER IS? OR A PLUMBER (Hi Joe!)
Why doesn’t Megan work her way UP the chain and gain respect for her OWN accomplishments? What is it about the progeny of celebrities that makes them thing we give a flying snail what they think?
DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD – BRITTANY SPEARS IS MORE EXPERIENCED THAN YOU (and prolly has a few more tattoos).
HondaV65 on April 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM
She also needs to come up with a plan to lose 20 pounds. Hey – this is not sexest – they said the same thing about Al Gore.
She wants to play she’s fair game.
HondaV65 on April 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Jelly Toast
Catch your breath. You made your point.
I do agree with you.
Some people just prefer dissecting their lives into comfortable pigeon holes, wearing this mask to this setting, and that mask to that setting. It is how they deal with their lives. It makes the most sense to them. It certainly works in terms of hiding.
Some people see life through a homogenized perspective wherein all things fit into position without segregation.
Some people have been there, done that, experiencing many ideologies and platforms before synthesizing their belief system. Of those, dependent upon the nature of the individual’s mind, some profess Socialism, while others regard the Constitution and the ideals of liberty.
Conservatives BECAME the adults practicing traditional Classical Liberal tolerance having researched history AND current events in order to gain PERSPECTIVE.
The attack on ideology is the crux. What to tolerate becomes what is embraced.
If I understood your point, it is for us to at least realize our circumstances, and best gauge our strategy and tactics. It takes the cooperation of all in alliance to win a war on terror. And the loss of our Constitution is our day’s terror.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 9:15 AM
I read some of her writings before and find her boundless wisdom… well, not.
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The last few election cycles have been tainted by media bias, especially so with Barry.
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Plus the war, and the traitors in the Dem party, i.e. Hillary (yes, the same woman who wanted to be Prez so badly that she let Bill do the blue dress wearing pig in the Oval Office… and then defended him from her very own “War Room”), and friends, who spoke tough and even voted for the use of force in Iraq, then when the left got loud enough while opposing the war (darn, who’d a thought) switched sides and stabbed Bush and the country in the back in the name of votes.
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This combined with Bush creating his own WTF attitude by allowing and encouraging out-of-control spending, and leaving the borders wide open (both figuratively and literally) have not been good for the Rebups.
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So, because there have been extraordinary circumstances that have worked against the Republican Party, and the mistakes made during those times were amplified in the public eye, they should now resort to following advice from Meghan McCain? Sorry but, stupid is as stupid does would be the new party slogan if that happens.
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A clear choice between parties is necessary, otherwise… The real Coke
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RalphyBoy on April 19, 2009 at 9:16 AM
You have good, valid points; and I agree with what you said. What I can’t get my head around is why do the conservatives always have to change and become more liberal.
It is like the present-day church. The church always has to change to get more members in it; however, is it a good thing? Is there depth in these huge mega churches. Some believe some, some don’t. Look at Rick Warren and his flip-flop on gay marriage for an example.
I believe in my convictions whether that makes me hated by someone or not. I don’t hate gays whatsoever. I have gay friends too Meghan. I’m not going to change my views because “it is something we have to do to have a bigger party.” I’m glad I’m not registered as a republican.
deidre on April 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Although many of Brit’s experiences would disqualify her as a role model–or even a responsible parent.
Meghan’s voice is a function of her audience. Currently, her political points seem to get a lot of attention. Perhaps in a addition to her last name it is because she is identifying issues that form a fault line within the GOP.
dedalus on April 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM
hehe.
Serious question for megs:
Why do conservative social values have to change while liberal social values
do not?
What makes a liberal social value inherently more “good” than a conservative social value?
Then, if a liberal social value is deemed a good, why not liberal economic values? Why not liberal environmental values?
It is all a matter of morality. Nothing “evolves” in a vacuum.
Soon enough, sweet Megan, you might find those neat republican values you claim to stand for eroding quite like your new-found liberal social values.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 9:23 AM
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Unless I’m ill-informed, it’s the “nanny state” left that wants to control smoking… Or should I say, that is insane in it’s approach to smoking. They would have cigarettes illegal, and pot free (a free pot in every chicken) as the saying goes. Drugs are good, but only the ones that are illegal…?
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RalphyBoy on April 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM
RightoFLeft, your posts have given me hope. And you are definitely not the only one who appreciates the position Meghan McCain is taking. I’m a 48 year old mom of 4 in Georgia, strong Republican since young adulthood, both my father and my ex-husband retired from the Navy…yet in Hot Air circles, I’d be contemptuously written off as a RINO and encouraged to leave the party. I appreciate Meghan’s voice which, while it most likely will not influence the self-described “real conservatives” to be more open or accepting, does at least give me encouragement that there are others who feel as I do.
Nobody can determine for me the value I place on my political opinions. I, like Ms. McCain, am a Republican because I identify with and support what I believe are the core values of the party. I wear the label as proudly as anyone, and no self-apppointed “deciders” can take that away by declaring me (or Meghan) a RINO.
Though, of course, they will try. And if that fails, where there are always more fat jokes, right?!
Least of These on April 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM
What are the core values of the party?
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM
There is no such fault line in the GOP; it’s only one that you Leftist trolls are trying to create in your pathetic “divide and conquer” campaign.
The Tea Parties must scare you badly, because they’re not only pulling in Conservatives and Republicans, but independents and conservative Democrats, too.
Not only are Republicans not supporting abortion on demand (up until birth and without parental consent) or same sex “marriage,” as well as calling for fiscal responsibility, lower taxes and smaller government, but many Democrats, too, feel the same way on these issues.
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Never assume, Musey.
I’ve been a reader since day one of this website. Not a commenter, but a reader.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM
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“Finger to the wind… What day is it?”
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RalphyBoy on April 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Plus, Musey, how am I in error?
All these threads that are just DRIVING PEOPLE AWAAAAAAAY in droves get hundreds and hundreds of comments.
Do you honestly think AP would post these things if they killed his traffic?
Give me a break.
Sheesh.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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Hell, young girls will be given RU-486 at school as a cure for stomach cramps the way the nanny state works.
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RalphyBoy on April 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Exactly which part of what she said is thoughtful? It’s the same tired, liberal cant that any college freshman can parrot back to you. It’s the same diaphanous, unprincipled claptrap we hear from Obama. It’s “the future” vs. “the past” – about as thoughtful as a fortune cookie. It’s empty griping about what “our party” – which has only been “ours” since her daddy wanted to be president – has “become”. It’s kneejerk scapegoating of the Other: the party she joined two years ago is broken, so it must be the fault of people who aren’t like her!
Show me where Megs McCain puts forth a serious discussion of policy, as opposed to a gauzy malediction of teh eevil conservatives, then I’ll be impressed.
Lehosh on April 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
LOL I know it is screwed up, but that was funny
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
I believe in unicorns too. So you are a believer that once legalizing marijuana and gay marriage there will be no more groups seeking relief from there deviant behavior preferences? Bestiality perhaps, NAMBLA, think of something and it will be an agenda by some group.
How about privacy… Taking your newborn’s DNA for categorizing them; future conservative; schedule for special indoctrination, future heterosexual; schedule for further brainwashing. Likely future cancer victim; best to terminate now. Democrats are pushing for that now here in MN.
Dasher on April 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM
No fault line? The fault line is between social conservatives and social moderates. The former can’t get elected on the West Coast or North East.
You may find your core beliefs more closely adhered to by a church or family group, but there are different responsibilities for a national political party and factions within a party.
I like the idea of the tea parties from a principle standpoint.
dedalus on April 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM
I guess if I was that paranoid I’d be worried, too.
RightOFLeft on April 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM
ROTFL! Please. I’ve seen better faces on a clock.
And as for you, Little Miss McSame, button your big fat mouth and go get a job. You are as clueless as as an old-school hippie.
Dark-Star on April 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I already responded to her post on daily beast so I don’t need to again.
Dr Evil on April 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
“There are those who think we can win the White House and Congress back by being ‘more’ conservative.”
Hey idiot, you repubs got your asses kicked in in ’06 & ’08 because you were not conservative at all. That’s also why your party is going to die. When it becomes a choice between conservative, dem-lite (repub), or dem, the repub party will disappear & you can join the dems to get all the good press you have so cravely desired.
TomJW on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
PAST THAT POINT 2008
RINOs are stuck on stupid and are known for their quick temper and indiscriminate abuse of strength.
Elephants have a long memory. Beyond their magnificent strength, elephants are known for wisdom and the sanctity of their familial relations.
GOP chose well.
Democrat donkey mules are as stubborn and ill educated as they are strong. Who the heck chose the donkey ass to represent the agrarians gone socialist industrialists? Their image would have done better with an ox or bull.
If Socialists ever admit their identity, their mascot would be the boa constrictor.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
I know. But then there is not a deviant group that is not a constituent of the Democrat party, including criminals.
Dasher on April 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
You’ll notice that what I said was “what I believe to be the core values of the party”, and that wording was on purpose. I determine what values are most important to me, then see what political party most closely matches. Personally, I most identify with the Republican’s stance on abortion and fiscal matters. But my point is…why do my reasons for choosing to join the Republican party have to agree with yours, or anyone else’s? I can be a Republican in my own right, and accept you as the same, without demanding that either of us leave the party – AND without calling you fat. ;-)
I have no problem being labeled a Moderate Republican, because on one or two issues, I’m less conservative that the average HotAir poster. But to automatically assume that “less conservative” on any particular issue is no different that being a liberal, and means I’m simply using the “Republican” name without basis, is absolutely incorrect. And, IMO, the same goes for Meghan McCain.
Least of These on April 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM
This very talk lost us the last election since our candidate, the illustrious John McCain spent all his time saying this same crap.
Being a moderate isn’t the answer – this strategy failed for her own father!
This type of talk is the problem. Trying to become more Democrat instead of returning to being real Republican.
This is insanity! Trying the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result!
Ms. McCain, we tried it your way; your dad tried it this way and got his ass handed to him. Republicans tried it this way and haven’t won an election cycle since 2004! Your way doesn’t work and putting a bit of spin on it and spouting it off every week isn’t going to change it!
catmman on April 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
We got a RINO last time…. and they think another will work?
IF you want a democrat you will vote democrat and not a watered down version.
Oh by the way….Meg McCain will be big I tell ya.
Jamson64 on April 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Observations are not assumptions. You show the tendency to react on the personal level rather than the professional, revealing your juvenile age, virtual aside. Punks play on their own dime, not at the expense of conservatives.
“A reader” would have observed many members of the HotAir community leaving, even a few banned, for arguing with Allahpundit.
Kiss ass as you will, blatant brown nose.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Megs McCain would be more convincing on that front if she gave interviews about how she sees conservative principles applying in meaningful ways to unreached demographics, instead of how much conservatives are teh suxxors.
Merely “having gay friends” doesn’t count.
Lehosh on April 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Sounds like the Republican party can mean anything we want it to be. Wonder if that works for the Dems too.
Jamson64 on April 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Just wondering…does she say why having gay friends has anything to do with any of today’s issues? Does she say why gay marriage would be a good thing?
I bet she has many friends who do drugs and even overeat. I wonder if she thinks that too should be alright.
Jamson64 on April 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Touché
Meghan is too self absorbed in her convoluted state to recognize her own confusion.
maverick muse on April 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
I’m not quite getting the relevancy of continuing to post topics of Meghan, not unless AP has another crush?
To the powers that be here at HotAir, please stop posting about Meghan McCain. I seriously doubt she’s on anyone’s list of things they care about. Enough already.
moonsbreath on April 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
It’s unrealistic to think that there are two types of voters–social conservative and democrat. You might disagree with moderates like Arnold or Rudy but they defeat democrats. If you want a party that excludes politicians like them then you are left with something that is at best regional and at worst in decline.
dedalus on April 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Do you enjoy being a real d*ck to folks?
Listen, you hob nobber, “many readers” means jack shi’ite to me. Have you noticed how huge these threads get? Again, why would he post these things if they did not benefit him? If they truly hurt him, as people like you maintain, he wouldn’t post it. But note how Palin/McCain headlines and posts get tons of traffic. I’m not a kiss ass because I look at things more objectively than you, instead of getting my brain all up in a bunch.
Get a life, man.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM
The party is what it is; there is a written platform that describes it in fairly good detail. But what appeals to and draws people in is going to be as individual as they are. So, no, the party doesn’t conform to whatever I think it should be, but I can absolutely choose what aspects of it I most strongly identify with…and I can vote for candidates that most closely reflect those aspects. The biggest difference I see is that I can do that without hating and degrading the rest of the party, or thinking that my beliefs alone determine what makes one a “real Republican”. I see precious little of that coming the other direction.
Least of These on April 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Oh, and “Blatant brown nose”
Good one!
I definitely am going to slink away, personally wounded.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Just an observation. Ed puts up a thread about “When Doctor’s Go Galt.” This is a subject which will more likely affect all of us in a very negative way. There are only two pages of comments on that thread.
Here we are, at yet again, another Meghan McCain thread going strong at page six. Gee, what’s wrong with this picture?
As others pointed out further up on this page, it is true, a lot of long time posters have stopped posting here at HotAir.
I used to post a lot more than I do now. Usually, I just come in and read a few threads and then leave without commenting. Today was different, I decided to say something, perhaps I’ll get banned, perhaps I won’t. Either way, I really hate seeing this site go the way of LGF, with threads that are posted to just antagonize rather than stimulate serious debate.
moonsbreath on April 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I honestly don’t think there is anything wrong.
I don’t know, I think the problem with too many people here is that they are glass half empty people. Yea, there is a fair amount of Mccain/palin posts, but if one bothers to look, plenty of other things inspire lots of discussion and commentary.
One quick look at the archives will show us. People like Muse can call people like me a “kiss ass,” but it really has nothing to do with that.
blatantblue on April 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Even Democrat NObama voters voted for Prop. 8 in California and there are GOP Congressmen from both New England and the Left Coast, as well as Senators and Governors, so that’s just not true.
There are a good deal of the electorate that embrace core Conservative values and call themselves “conservative” on a consistent basis, year after year.
(See my link above to the American Thinker piece on the Battleground polls.)
I like the idea of the tea parties from a principle standpoint.
I know you’re a Leftist Liberal who pushes same sex “marriage” here in a big way, but it’s not going to happen with GOP help.
Jenfidel on April 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM
No Meghan – you are an over indulged young woman who has an overinflated sense of yourself.
katiejane on April 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Seriously, please don’t every post anything about this mindless twit again.
Midas on April 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I did notice that.
But, I wanted to phrase my question to prompt precisely what I have quoted from you.
Now, for sure, we all do this from time to time. I determine that the color green with the taupe has more value than the color yellow. Or, that I will take the long way home for scenic reasons rather than the highway. This has personal value to me. I am not saying we do not do this.
However, when it comes to social value judgments, fiscal judgments, a fixed premise DOES matter. it isn’t, ” what is true for you is not true for me, therefore there cannot be any resolution,” like favorite colors or soda flavors. if we really lived like there were no fixed truths to be embraced by all, there would be no traffic lights, no relative peace, no discipline for our growing kids, nothing..pure anarchy. So, values do matter…and there is a right and a wrong. If you truly do not believe this, then you would not claim to be a proud republican. evidently there are some things which you claim to be worth fighting for. Are there no universal things which you would assert as a good for all? And, if yes, why would social conservatives not have the same legitimate right to assert certain truths to be public good?
Relativism will not serve us well, just as it has not served the West well. The republican party and American culture IS fractured because of this philosophy.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Must be nice to be that short sighted and naive. Sure, it will stop with gay marriage and legalzation of pot. I mean I remember one episode of Leave It To Beaver when they were pushing for gay marriage…
Let me clue you in, your generation of issues were considered abhorrent by your grandparents. Society reaches a level of immorality until a catastrophic event causes an realigning back to normalcy or the society collapses. Not complicated.
ClassicCon on April 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Meghan thinks she is the only Republican to ever wear black or have a tattoo–how clueless is that?
As for her other beliefs, they seem very trendy (such as the global warming fraud), but Conservatism (and one would think in extension, Republicanism) would not be about trends set by clueless Liberals, but by actual FACTS.
Meg = cute, but not filling = Republican ricecake.
darkmetal on April 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM
This vacuous twit must be stopped. She is doing to the republican party what the 60′s wackjobs did to the democrats. They pulled it so far left that it was changed into the racist elitist party it is today. Oslime-a is the embodiment of the hippie movement and he IS (I mean no ambiguous definition in my use of the word “IS”) going to seriously damaged this country for years to come. And his supreme court selections will further hamper our efforts in getting this country back to the free country that was established by the founding fathers.
If McShamnesty’s RINO daughter (and her idiot ilk) get any kind of foothold in the republican party, it will be lost to conservatism forever. If we are going to have any chance of saving the party for conservatives, we have to marginalize her and her idiotic blathering.
csdeven on April 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM
She definitely has the Beltway Elitist Young Shallow Mallrat vote. Hopefully real adults will see her for the RINO she is.
kingsjester on April 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Absolutely true.
Another thing: with all our railing against political bias in the media, why is it that the same socially liberal yet (supposedly) fiscal conservatives cannot see that the ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA also attempts to indoctrinate and has done a fine job of it. We do not know WHY we believe what we believe thus it is of no consequence that we abandon issues within the GOP like life or gay marriage resistance because the liberal indoctrination via moving picture has been so effective…we can’t even remember what it was like to think critically about issues that truly degrade and destroy a society from within.
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Another thing:
It sure is amazing the work this family puts into criticizing there own party than the left. I do not know whether I have even HEARD her talk with passion about the critical issues of the day. is she making any contribution other than being a faux “reformer?” It grows really tiring to constantly be lectured by her and her father when they do not dish it to the left with equal fervor.
I want to be proven wrong about this. Anyone find me something of hers where she excoriated leftist ideology/policies? Anyone??? (crickets.)
Mommypundit on April 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM
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