Israel: Palestinian peace plan is “dead end”

posted at 1:36 pm on April 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If Barack Obama hoped to glide along the Annapolis path set up by George Bush in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel sent him a rude wake-up call yesterday.  New Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Obama’s special envoy George Mitchell that Israel will insist on recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, which Palestinians have outright rejected in the past:

In a direct challenge to President Barack Obama’s commitment to rejuvenate moribund Mideast peace talks, Israel on Thursday dismissed American-led efforts to establish a Palestinian state and laid out new conditions for renewed negotiations.

Leaders of Israel’s hawkish new government told former Maine Sen. George Mitchell, the special U.S. envoy, that they aren’t going to rush into peace talks with their Palestinian neighbors.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he’d require Palestinians to accept Israel as a Jewish state in any future negotiations — a demand that Palestinians have up to now rejected — Israeli government officials said.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told Obama’s envoy that past Israeli concessions led to war, not peace.

On that point, it’s hard to argue.  Ariel Sharon dismantled settlements in Gaza and pulled the occupying army out in 2004 after accepting the Bush-Rice “road map for peace” the previous year.  Instead of stabilizing Gaza and allowing for responsible self-rule, Gaza became more radical than before.  In 2007, Hamas staged a coup d’etat and took full control over the territory and expanded its missile and rocket attacks on Israel.  The IDF has had to conduct major military operations twice in Gaza since then, and have also had to conduct many smaller operations to pinpoint launch sites.

The West wants Israel to start dismantling settlements in the West Bank and withdraw there as well, but Netanyahu and his new government can be forgiven for not wanting to make the same mistake twice.  Eventually, that will have to happen if a two-state solution is to work, but that’s not the real first step.  The real first step is to have a partner actually interested in peace and peaceful co-existence with a secure Israel.  Thus far, all of the Annapolises, Wye Rivers, and Oslos have failed to produce such a partner, mostly because Palestinians by and large cling to the annihilationist policy with Israel, or as they put it, the “Zionist entity.”

Neither, though, will Netanyahu’s idea of limited autonomy work in the long term.  He envisions a “home rule” for Palestinians in the territories, without national sovereignty.  I don’t see how that benefits Israel at all; it seems like the worst of both worlds.  Not only would Israel be responsible for maintaining the welfare of the Palestinians, the arrangement practically guarantees an eternity of conflict with those who are not radical but have a rational ideal of self-government.  Oslo gave Palestinians “home rule” more than 15 years ago, and that has worked as well as the Gaza withdrawal in solving the underlying problem.

Netanyahu’s latest pushback seems designed more to test Obama than as a serious policy proposal.  I doubt Netanyahu wants to maintain the status quo, but he doesn’t want to get pushed into a series of unilateral concessions, either.  He’s starting off aggressively, perhaps encouraged by Russia’s public scorn directed at Obama’s foreign-policy efforts.  We’ll see how Obama reacts to allies using that strategy, and if he handles it any better than he did in Europe earlier this month.

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Finally – someone with the STONES to say it!

jake-the-goose on April 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM

“All Israel, uh, has to, uh, do … is give up all of its, uh, territory, so that, uh, a recognition of, uh, an Israeli state, uh, by the, uh, Palestinians, can, move forward.”

Barack Uhbamuh

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Three state solution. No continuity problems, and you get to have one of them serving as the bad example.

Count to 10 on April 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM

You mean all the Palestinians have to do is recognize that Israel is a sovereign state. Man that doesn’t seem too unreasonable.
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FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Give both sides a personal music player and have done with it.

LibTired on April 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

This is all Bush’s fault

jacrews on April 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he’d require Palestinians to accept Israel as a Jewish state in any future negotiations

How terribly unreasonable of him. Simply not helpful.

Israel has more restrain than the United States. Which is a pity, because it keeps this cycle going.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

By the way, is there a timetable somewhere of when we expect that last Palestinian “refugee” who once lived in Israel to die of old age?

Count to 10 on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Well, well, well…….how will Teh Teleprompter Messiah respond to this one? He will actually have to make a decision. Will he stand firm and honor the US tradition of standing with Israel or will he “bow” to Palestinian demands? “Present” is not an option.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

“Israel is just plain mean.”

Michelle Uhbamuh

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

He will bow and vote present on this. Oh, and give more aid and money to Palestine.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM

jake-the-goose on April 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Caroline Glick has been saying this for some time … she should be pretty pleased.

gh on April 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Settlements (aka communities) were never the stumbling block for peace. Israel’s refusal to cease to exist was (and is).

After all, Israel has shown that it can dismantle its communities in Sinai or hand them over to the Egyptians as per Camp David or unilaterally withdraw from them in Gaza. Gazans turned around and used them as terror training camps and kassam launch facilities.

The terrorists and Palestinians in general continue refusing to accept Israel’s existence, and withdrawing from more communities will always be viewed as insufficient on religious and ideological grounds. Nothing less than Israel’s destruction will be tolerated by the likes of Hamas, which controls Gaza.

lawhawk on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Is Obama finally going to stand up to Israel? Of course not. Pathetic.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

A ‘dead end”? It’s not often you hear a politician speak in literal terms.

Rocks on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

This is all idiotic crap. Palestinians have no desire to do anything other than balme Israel for their own fate. How can you sit on land you control and not declare yourself to be a nation? If the leaders(?) of the Palestinians would declare themselves to be a soverign nation 90% of the world woulsd trip overthemselves saying, “ya man!”. Point in fact it is more fun to blame someone else for your own ineptitude.

Onager on April 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

mostly because Palestinians by and large cling to the annihilationist policy with Israel, or as they put it, the “Zionist entity.”

I would say really that is the only reason.
Kill the Jews & you still won’t have peace.
First comes Saturday, then Sunday.
It will NEVER end.
Israel has every right to do what they’ve done. I am sick of hearing about how bad Israel is to the Palestinians.
They have been walking on egg shells trying to pacify these people since these people left willingly &/or sold their lands to them.
But Obama-the closet Muslim that he is-only wants peace.
There is no peace with these monsters.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Well, well, well…….how will Teh Teleprompter Messiah respond to this one? He will actually have to make a decision. Will he stand firm and honor the US tradition of standing with Israel or will he “bow” to Palestinian demands? “Present” is not an option.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

This is pretty scary, to me. Biden already telegraphed to Bibi that they were on their own regarding Iran (as I recall) – I am not feeling good about this.

WAY too much freakin’ change, for my taste.

capitalist piglet on April 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM

By the way, is there a timetable somewhere of when we expect that last Palestinian “refugee” who once lived in Israel to die of old age?

Count to 10 on April 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Won’t matter. One of the fundamental roadblocks has been the insistance by the Palestinians (and their enablers) that not only do the original “refugees” have right-of-return, but so do their dependents. With no limits.

Until that issue is resolved, there will be no return. Period.

And I’m not shedding a tear.

nukemhill on April 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Stand up to Israel? Why, for them wanting to be recognized? Doesn’t seem like such a tall order. Let’s see: Been around 60 years or so as a sovereign nation, yet all it’s neighbors want them wiped off the map.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Point in fact it is more fun to blame someone else for your own ineptitude.

Onager on April 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Exactly. Tell me again why these people still aren’t any closer to having a modern society?

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM

CNN – Breaking News:

“This just in, President Obama has just announced that he will consult with Mr. Ahmadinejad, so as to break the loggerhead about Israel’s ridiculous demands to be recognized. Said consultation is expected to be final, and is to direct future American policy towards the recalcitrant Israeli state.

More at the top of the hour. Stay with CNN, the most trusted name in news.”

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Anyone else notice that Iran has, effectively, shut the hell up since Netanyahu got back into control?

Is Obama finally going to stand up to Israel? Of course not. Pathetic.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Please, cut us a break with your screeds from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

You tell ‘em, Mr. Netanyahu. Don’t back down.

MBuck on April 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Is Obama finally going to stand up to Israel? Of course not. Pathetic.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

You mean “for”, not “to”, right?

capitalist piglet on April 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Huh. Is this the “test” Biden predicted?

Akzed on April 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM

What’s wrong with 7th century living? I mean they have come a long way what with the cell-phone and the internet.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You go Bibi! I love how the Israelis aren’t afraid to tell the truth and tell hoodle-heads to go to hell. The TOTUS is showing that he is indeed, a malleable claymation figure, easily manipulated, bent/bowed, and molded into a combo clone of Alinski/Lenin….

HomeoftheBrave on April 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Neither, though, will Netanyahu’s idea of limited autonomy work in the long term. He envisions a “home rule” for Palestinians in the territories, without national sovereignty. I don’t see how that benefits Israel at all; it seems like the worst of both worlds.

I think he is referring to building the state from the ground up. Philistines never really tried it. Since the oslo boondoggle, they put 100% of their efforts into avoiding all “roadmaps” and the interim steps proscribed, and tried their best to force the parties to jump to “final status” negotiations. Not a single administration, quartet or union really tried to hold the philistines accountable. That is why none of the previous proposals worked.

runner on April 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Barry needs Israel to pull his Iranian duty for him. Unlike you, I’m looking forward to having Bibi school The One on reality.

a capella on April 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Netanyahu looks demonic in that pic.

SpencerFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Is Obama finally going to stand up to Israel? Of course not. Pathetic.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Is Obama finally going to force the Jews into the sea? Of course not you idiot. Is Obama finally going to stand up to jihad death loving killers. Of course not you idiot.

What are you “The Dean” of anyway? Besides your own basement where you can spew Jew hatred.

Agent of the Cross on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Jeez Ed I couldn’t find much difference between the mcclatchy piece and your “opinions”. Recognition of Israel’s right to exist has always been a condition for any peace proposals.

Netanyahu’s latest pushback seems designed more to test Obama than as a serious policy proposal

Yep, nothing serious about the Palestinians annihilationist policy at all!

dmann on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

The PLO mission at the UN has a map of “Palestine”: borders run from Jordan and Syria to Mediterranean and from Egypt up to Lebanon.

The word “Israel” is nowhere to be seen.

That’s the Palestinians’ true position.

Wethal on April 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM

CNN – Breaking News:

“This just in, President Obama has just announced that he will consult with Mr. Ahmadinejad, so as to break the loggerhead about Israel’s ridiculous demands to be recognized. Said consultation is expected to be final, and is to direct future American policy towards the recalcitrant Israeli state.

More at the top of the hour. Stay with CNN, the most trusted name in news.”

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Wow, wanting to talk with dinnerjacket in regards to policy with Israel. Good move Prez. dipshit.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Signs point to no, as far as peace is concerned.

You guys are not covering the Whitehouse requesting the covering of Catholic images at the Georgetown speech? Did Obama have the Blue Mosque in Turkey take the crescent down for him, no only American Christians must compromise apparently.

The excuse that flags were going to be put up seems unbelievable when you see the black triangle covering the “offending” image. Maybe Obama is just jealous of JC. Off topic sorry.

koolbrease on April 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Huh. Is this the “test” Biden predicted?

Akzed on April 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Maybe. But, don’t worry. Teh One’s got a spine of steel, according to Joey B. It’s too bad that heat can weaken steel (is a Truther going to challenge me on it?).

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Netanyahu looks demonic in that pic.

SpencerFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Why? Cause Jews are the real satan? Maybe you could expound on that statement.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Flyover, I was just being sarastic. I know that it was an accurate portrayal of CNN and our Glorious Leader, but I was just taking some undue liberties.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM

“sarcastic”

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM

why can’t these people just leave Israel alone. its not like they have a big plot of dirt over there. and it looks pretty arid, too. can’t the terrorists move to syria where they’ll be welcomed with open arms?

why am i not understanding this? its not like Israel hasn’t been there for over 60 years.

kelley in virginia on April 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM

What’s wrong with 7th century living? I mean they have come a long way what with the cell-phone and the internet.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Heh. Where do I start?
I am impressed by the joke email getting passed around in the Middle East that by shaking hands with an infidel a Muslim man’s junk would fall off.
They are just so incredibly sto-o-pid.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM

B. Hussien Obama’s real intentions toward Isreal are going to quickly be revealed. He hates them just like the rest of the Obama family.

TrickyDick on April 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM

why am i not understanding this?

kelley in virginia on April 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM

For one I’m thinking it’s cause their ‘holy’ book says to kill Jews.
Another reason is bcs they’re jealous. The Jews made that area like a garden of paradise with all their hard work & irrigation.
It used to look like a dumpy desert.
Them damned Jews! If only they would die, we wouldn’t have to worry about those pesky Palestinians again.
Except for the little thing about their ‘holy’ book being able to kill all unbelievers.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Oh sorry, hell who knew that it was a joke. I mean we are talking about CNN. Never watched it so wouldn’t know any better.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Netanyahu looks demonic in that pic.

SpencerFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Get your eyes checked.

That’s determination. That’s resolve. It kinda gets developed in a person when you never know when or where the next Katyusha is going to land or if your favorite pizza place will be around tomorrow.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

WOW!! Israel has a leader who stands up for his country!! Wish the USA still had one.

Dire Straits on April 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

B. Hussien Obama’s real intentions toward Isreal are going to quickly be revealed. He hates them just like the rest of the Obama family.

TrickyDick on April 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Really? Even considering Lady M has a rabbi in the family?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM

There sure are a lot of strange things going on. The President is apologizing for our country’s actions to anyone who will hear. He’s declares that we are not a Christian nation. He bows down to a Saudi Prince. He has three Greek letters symbolizing Christ covered up at a University founded by Jesuits. And he is lobbying for a Palestinian State, when Genesis 12:1 clearly warns against it. So, what did he learn at Trinity “church” besides anti-American hatred? Please don’t mess with Israel, Mr. President. They are our ally.

kingsjester on April 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Oh sorry, hell who knew that it was a joke. I mean we are talking about CNN. Never watched it so wouldn’t know any better.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

LOL, that was my point. Especially after the CNN “reporting” of the tea parties, any absurdity spewed on CNN is to be believed.

Here’s to the Jayhawks and the Cowboys meeting in the Big 12 football title game.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Meanwhile….on a much more important issue for Obama…we need high speed trains, where we won’t need security, trains will comfortably whisk commuters to their destination, saving fuel and the ecology…this of course will take place within months.
Now, about Israel and its existence…but first, we have to review all veterans to make sure they are not affiliated with rightwing extremists, like anti-abortionists.
Now, back to Israeal and their right to exist as a sovereign nation…but we must address the ever growing concern of these rightwing talk show hosts that are “hypnotizing” ordinary stupid people who would vote for me, except they are listening to Rush, the number one most divisive person in the world, radio talk show hosts must be “under control”.
Now what were we talking about?…

right2bright on April 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I think Bibi would accept a viable two state solution , but in realpolitik’s you don’t appease.

the_nile on April 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Bibi,

Beer and brauts (of your choice) anytime you are in Texas. Ammo too if you need some.

Jericho deserved it, BTW.

All my respect….

Limerick on April 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Might happen, I heard OU is tired of choking and they’re just going to mail it in next year.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Hamas needs high speed rail and organic arugula. That’ll sort em out.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Now what were we talking about?…

right2bright on April 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM

CNN and our Glorous Leader are currently entranced with a Portuguese Water Dog. Israel’s elimination can wait.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM

First of all, I get really tired of hearing anyone talk about a “two-state solution”. That was never anything close to honest. What it really meant was a “three-state solution”, since the West Bank and Gaza are totally different arab communities that share very little and hate each other with a passion. The Gazans had been under Egyptian rule after the arabs took land in the 1948 attack on Israel, while the West Bank arabs were under Jordanian rule. This idea that two discontiguous pieces of land with separate arab societies would ever form a single state is ludicrous, on its face. I wish people would stop even mentioning the “two-state” idiocy.

Secondly, Israel has had to fight a war for its existence every 10 years. EVERY 10 YEARS. And Israel has come dangerously close to losing twice, already, in 1948 and 1973. Given enough chances, Israel will eventually lose. That’s how Bernoulli trials go. Whatever attitude people had about how peace is achieved with arabs, they have been proven wrong again and again.

I am very glad that Netanyahu is finally telling the West what is apparent to anyone with a brain (which precludes the left, obviously). I have done my very best to drive these points home with everyone I come into contact with. The sad part is that I have never gotten any reasonable arguments about why peace can be expected from giving the palestinians (and arabs, in general) anything.

Lastly, I think it’s important for people to come to grips with a very important fact of human societies – gift-giving is one of the most deeply ingrained cultural protocols and incorrect gift-giving has led to more problems than most anything. Explorers found this out while cruising around the Pacific, where some cultural protocols dictate that giving someone a gift to grand to be reciprocated by the recipient demands that the giver be killed because of the shame brought on. This makes no sense to Westerners, but it is how some cultures operate. With arabs, gift-giving protocols are not remotely as they are to Westerners. Our idiotic gift-giving to them does not eliciti the responses we would expect, because the way we do it doesn’t translate into their culture as they appear in ours. Gaza was a gift, to Westerners. It was a capitulation, to arabs. Until we learn this (and dispense with the extremely arrogant leftist attitude that all people react the same way as Westerners do) we will not achieve any stability, nor reduce any of the serious threats that savages in the arab/persian/muslim world pose to the civilized world.

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

What is this C N N you speak of?

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Why do we even care anymore? Its obvious Israel would prefer its own way to a way mediated by any other world powers. This is in my view irresponsible from an American standpoint. Our primary interests do not always align perfectly with Israel’s. Like any other relationship in international relations, it is not permanent. I suggest we hasten a more clear cut break with them. I have become tired of acting as if a true power is beholden to the emotional will of a small state. If they wish to go their own way, we should let them. For real this time.

ernesto on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

After 24/7 coverage of Soetoro, the Magic muslim, I forgot that there are still some men out there who are, well, men.

ex-Democrat on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ever since Netanyahu’s brother’s death at Entebbe, Netanyahu is committed to an end to the Palestinian thugocracy.

Is this latest just an attempt to jostle the Obama Administration, or is it part of a stepped-plan to push the end of the thugocracy of radical Palestinians?

Netanyahu knows full well the costs of appeasement, of giving up land for an alleged security, and also knows, that when the chips are down, the only nation Israel can depend on is Israel.

Once the thugocracy is removed from Israel’s borders, and once those bordering states come to realize that this half-century-plus mugging at the hands of this same thugocracy has benefited them not one bit, then the real progress can be made.

What are the bordering states afraid of?

They are afraid of losing their rallying cry, their casus beli, that serves to mobilize their populations and make legitimate the control they have over their populations by the constant barrage of anti-Israeli propaganda that ensures their current power. So long as there is an Israel, none of the Arab states have to do anything that actually benefits their populations. They can maintain and increase the power of their dictatorial governments under the guise of being at war with Israel…the little Great Satan.

If any of the Arabs residing in the Arab states actually could see Israel first hand, and experience other democracies or constitutional republics anywhere else in the world, they would, if they have not totally lost the ability to reason, have grave concerns about the how and why of their own subjugation by their own Arab leaders. This is also a reason for the reluctance of many of the Arab states to recognize the post-Saddam government of Iraq. And a reason why the Arab states have done nothing, said nothing, to assist the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon…preferring a Hezzbolla to anything that looks like a representative democracy.

The “road map” failed because the Palestinians (and other Arab states) never wanted the road map to actually produce the intended results.

The road map was merely a tool, to be used, ultimately, against Israel. The thugocracy has no intention of doing anything that threatens their choke hold on their own people.

Netanyahu understands this.

coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Where are all the trolls on this. I thought the left really hated the Joooooos.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

Naaaaaah, those girly-men don’t want to destroy the isslamist freaks.

ex-Democrat on April 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Love your info.
As a reader of such histories, I very much appreciate it.
Arab culture is poisonous when compared to our own-that is if you believe in human liberty-which they clearly do not.
Thomas Jefferson & Winston Churchill realized they were animals.
Why is it so hard for everyone else to see the forest for the trees here?!

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Oh yeah, Pat Buchanan would be fantastic. He could tell Bibi how England started World War II and how Hitler was actually an admirable man.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM

ernesto on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I don’t necessarily disagree with that. But what happens when Israel, abandoned of all options, decides thay have had enough and takes back what is rightfully theirs? Will it preciprotate a wider engagement with other Muslim nations? Who will get involved then? Where will our support lie?

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

Are you trying to make us laugh here?
One HUGE reason I would never have voted for Ron Paul.
You can’t be totally disconnected from the world.
We do have a stake in maintaining stability over there, whether we like it or not.
Far better to fight over there than fight them here.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

these people ? you sad POS…

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I still don’t understand why they just don’t push the Palestinians into Jordan and be done with it.

They fire a missile in, you bomb the “refugee camp”.

Tim Burton on April 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Netanyahu is going to get us into another war. God, I hope not.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

if they have not totally lost the ability to reason,
coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Unfortunately I believe they have.
And it is interesting that the left wants the Jews to remain victims in perpetuity.
Nobody likes an uppity Jew, after all.
/sarc

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

ernesto on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

So the interests of radical Islamists are a better fit for you? Fine, but don’t get all spongebob when Israel decides to slaughter w/o remorse its enemies once and for all.

dmann on April 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Netanyahu is going to get us into another war. God, I hope not.

I not aware of any instance of when Israel, in all its numerous (and victorious) wars with the Arabs required, asked for,or relied upon American troops ? Are you ??

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM

(I am not )

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Netanyahu is going to get us into another war. God, I hope not.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Hamas and Fatah have been getting them into wars for years. You’re upset because for once Israel may take the offensive?

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Iran’s Leader Signals New Openness to U.S.

I’m sure it had NOTHING to do with Israel’s new PM.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan are suited to precisely squat.

But your prior comments are starting to make sense now.

capitalist piglet on April 17, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

Grafted on April 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Netanyahu is going to get us into another war. God, I hope not.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Either by them dropping the ball or the Muslims dropping a nuke on us.
Either way, we’re going to be fighting another one sooner or later with these folks.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I not aware of any instance of when Israel, in all its numerous (and victorious) wars with the Arabs required, asked for,or relied upon American troops ? Are you ??

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Thanks. You saved me the trouble of typing that.

capitalist piglet on April 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Jeez Ed I couldn’t find much difference between the mcclatchy piece and your “opinions”. Recognition of Israel’s right to exist has always been a condition for any peace proposals.

dmann on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Actually there is an important change in the Israeli demand. The PA has already recognized Israels right to exist. The new demand from the new PM is that the PA recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

It’s subtle but very important.

lexhamfox on April 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Netanyahu is going to get us into another war. God, I hope not.

I not aware of any instance of when Israel, in all its numerous (and victorious) wars with the Arabs required, asked for,or relied upon American troops ? Are you ??

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM

We fund not only their military, we also provide substantial foreign aid.

Are you unaware of the huge influence the state of Israel has in our foreign policy? Especially in regards to the middle east? They have a very powerful lobby, AIPAC, that has substantial influence within our foreign policy think tanks as well as the State Department.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM

With a hawkish RW government, nothing will change.

That’s the way the people voted, so be it.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Either by them dropping the ball or the Muslims dropping a nuke on us.
Either way, we’re going to be fighting another one sooner or later with these folks.

Badger40 on April 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Why don’t we just pull out and let Israel handle them? Where in the Constitution is the financial support of Israel mandated? Or anyone else for that matter?

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM

The new demand from the new PM is that the PA recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

that is an old demand – as old as Oslo at least

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM

i’m sorry, but Benjamin Netanyahu is a hottie!!!!

Ghoul aid on April 17, 2009 at 2:34 PM

coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

+11

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 17, 2009 at 2:34 PM

The new demand from the new PM is that the PA recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Why not recognize Israel as a Jewish state? There are over three dozen Moslem states we are compelled to recognize…and at times have offered our blood and our best in defense of.

coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I don’t necessarily disagree with that. But what happens when Israel, abandoned of all options, decides thay have had enough and takes back what is rightfully theirs? Will it preciprotate a wider engagement with other Muslim nations? Who will get involved then? Where will our support lie?

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Well, first of all their ‘lack of options’ would be a direct result of continued insistence that there is no solution outside of every last demand they have. That said, I wouldn’t try and stop them from engaging militarily with Iran or any other nation. They have received enough military aid to ensure they will be initially successful.

However, I would not throw the weight of the US military blindly in support of their efforts.

I would make very clear that should they insist that their is no road to peace that includes concessions, then they are on their own. In the long run I don’t see a proxy war initiated by an ally as the best way to solve the greater middle east’s issues. There can be respectful disagreement on that fact and I understand that.

But overall if they truly expect to take the lead in this matter, then they’re on their own.

ernesto on April 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM

ernesto on April 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM

If only some of those 7th century barbarians would just concede one thing, then I don’t think we would worry too much. But they won’t. Your’e right that we should let Israel do what they want, but if the only true Democracy in the entire middle east is threatened with destruction then we should get involved.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

We fund not only their military, we also provide substantial foreign aid.

Are you unaware of the huge influence the state of Israel has in our foreign policy? Especially in regards to the middle east? They have a very powerful lobby, AIPAC, that has substantial influence within our foreign policy think tanks as well as the State Department.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM

We do not “fund” their military. The Israeli military machine is one of the biggest in the world – like those Drones ? Israel developed them. Like those precision weapons? Israel developed them. They are the #10 weapons supplier in the world. (don’t give me the shiiit about the foreign aid – we get our funds back, together with intelligence on our arab “friends” ). What Israel does is have bilateral R&D projects with Lockheed, Boeing, etc. Israel buys American equipment, just like anyone else. AIPAC is one of many lobbies operating in Washington, and only an antisemite like you would see a problem with that. Our foreign policy rests on support of Democracy and Freedom everywhere and it is perfectly aligned with supporting a small but reliable ally in the unstable part of the world.

runner on April 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

The Dean and nice343 — right and left, marching in lockstep together.

Is Obama finally going to stand up to Israel? Of course not. Pathetic.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would be much better suited to dealing with these people.

The Dean on April 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM

America is run by Jews anyway. Bibi will always have his wish
nice343 on March 31, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Feel the love!!!

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Netanyahu looks demonic in that pic.

SpencerFan on April 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Netanyahu looks…um…very, very attractive in that picture.

It would be a personal favorite of mine, actually, and I like it when HotAir uses it. Thank you. (blushes)

Mommypundit on April 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

They have a very powerful lobby, AIPAC, that has substantial influence within our foreign policy think tanks as well as the State Department.

True_King on April 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM

AIPAC controls the State Department? Wow! That’s like saying Newt Gingrich controls the Democratic National Committee.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Mommypundit on April 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Damn hon, you need to get out more.
/joke.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 17, 2009 at 2:46 PM

It shouldn’t take much in the way of logical skills to deduce this.

Short of the return of the Prince of Peace, the Israel/Palestinian conflict would only truly be resolved if one side or the other was completely destroyed. And I mean as in down to the last living soul.

As if that region has seen so enough bloodshed and war already…

Dark-Star on April 17, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Mommypundit on April 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Remind me to call you in about 30 years when I start going grey.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM

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