Israel: Palestinian peace plan is “dead end”

Ok, that is quite enough.

To “The Dean”:

Do you have ANY effing idea what the hell happened in the REAL world between the years of 1880 to the present day? Probably not.

And here’s why:

The simple fact is that Wilson-England may have started WWII

BZZZTT. WWII was STARTED by an unholy alliance between

A: The Japanese Imperialists (Who had been active for decades following a dream that had been around since Hideyoshi’s invasion of Korea in the 1600′s, and who would probably have remained a problem even had the Western Allies gotten their heads togetether to burn the German Militaraists, the Soviets, and the Turkish Nationalists to the ground).

B: The Soviet Union, whose aggressions in Central Asia, Persia, and (ESPECIALLY) Eastern Europe helped edge the world closer to war, particularly following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

C: The European Fascists led by Adolph Hitler and their allies (Franco, Horthy, Antonescu, etc), whose actions in Africa and Europe were the ultimate trigger for the outbreak of total war in 1939 through due to their premeditated aggression against independent nations guaranteed by the Western Allies- namely Poland.

The only way the Western Allies did ANYTHING to incite WWII was by guaranteeing the independence of those independent states and then by finally honoring one when they choose to not allow Poland to be consumed.

But than again, you probably believe the Poles actually attacked Glenwitz station, don’t you?

Because anybody ELSE can clearly see where the blame lies, and it ain’t with London, Paris, Washington, and Warsaw, and the only portion of it that DOES is due to their early LENIENCY towards the aggressors, not by “prevoking” them in whatever manner you think.

but Woodrow Wilson’s liberal intervention in WWI set the seed for the rise of Hitler and the second WW. If any one country is to blame, it’s the US. Hitler was inevitable because of what we did in the 1910s.

For such stupid and offensive quotes, I would be bound by honor to strike you dead in a duel.

Why?

Because it is clear that you not only know NOTHING on the issue, but you are blaming the RAPED for the crimes of the RAPIST!

So the US is to blame for Hitler?

Have you ever STUDIED the career of Otto Von Bismarck, the man who created the modern German nation and established the Imperial Military regime that would survive until WWII?

Obviously not, because if you did, you would note Bismarck’s long history of aggression, war crimes, and tyrannical rule over the people of Germany (as his actions in 1848 make ABUNDANTLY clear).

However, it would also reveal the TRUE roots of our conflict with Germany.

For decades, Berlin (both under Bismarck and than his Protege Kaiser Wilhelm II) sought to woo Spain into an alliance against a righteously vengeful France. To do so, Germany sent considerable aid (including Combat Troops) to Cuba and the Phillippines to aid Madrid in her two-front war with nationalist rebels on both islands.

Eventually, Spain’s brutality, bull-headedness, penetration back into Latin America (Chincha Islands, Dominican Republic, etc), and her absolute lack of PR skills eventually led to it becoming embroiled in a war with the US. This “Splendid Little War”, the Spanish-American War of 1898, is one you ought to have learned (being “The Dean” and all), but just in case, it was a remarkably one-sided war that saw the Spanish loose Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Sandwitch Islands, Guam, the Phillippines, and a bunch of other small islands I cannot bother an intellectual such as yourself with.

That’s what you (SHOULD HAVE) learned in school.

Here’s what you didn’t:

Those Germans aiding Spain against the Cubans and Filipinos? They were still there when the American invasion occured, and hundreds of Germans fell to American bullets, and dozens for the vice-versa. It was the first blood between Washington and Berlin, but it would not be the last.

Berlin would not forgive 1898, as it finally saw her Spanish ally be reduced to impotence, to the point where it nearly was kicked out of North Africa by a rag-tag alliance of Moroccan tibesmen. As such, Germany was forced to shelve her plans for a Berlin-Madrid axis against Britain and France. But she did not forgive the US, as it was only a month after the war when she issued the “Cuba Memorandum,” the German plan calling for the elimination of American power abroad while declaring that the US was now an enemy nation, and that Germany was to trust “under no circumstances of any kind” any attempts by Washington to find peace.

Do you know what this means, idiot?

It MEANS that any Two-Bit thug who proclaimed himself an enemy of the US was to be armed, trained, and officered with German aid. In effect, this is a declaration of unofficial war given its violations of the Monroe Doctrine and of Freedom of the Seas.

Wilson did not truly enter WWI in 1917, because Germany had already been at war with the US since the very start of the war, and even before. The fact is that German influence had helped equip Carranza, Diaz, Huerta, Villa, Zapeta, a mixed bag of Haitian and Dominican warlords, some Colombian expansionists, Philippine Nationalists, and Cuban rebels against us. Hell, American soldiers had already faced German soldiers in open combat at Veracruz due to Wilson’s choice to intercept a German arms shipment for Huerta that led to the shipment’s German handlers being ordered to fight alongside the Mexican army against us.

Oh, and this is not counting unapologetic murder on the high seas via Unrestricted Submarine Warfare.

But none of this means ANYTHING to you, does it? Its all big, bad Wilson being a bully rather than Wilson being pushed into a fight he DIDN’T want by German aggression.

I’m starting to see a pattern here.

And as for your attempts to blame the Western Allies for the ascendency of Hitler, I am forced to concede that the Western Allies shot themselves in the foot with a Versailles that was neither strong enough to crush German militarism or one lenient enough to reform Germany.

But even than you fail to note the party that is ultimately responsible for the rise of Hitler and (perhaps even more tellingly) various other radical groups during the interbellum: not the Americans, not the British, not the French, not the Italians, not the Poles, not the Swedish orchistra unions, but the Germans themselves. Bismarck’s militarism lived on still, and it ultimately is what doomed the Weimar Republic to collapse, and what ultimately brought Hitler to power: the decades-old weaknesses in German Society that pre-dated WWI and would later cause WWII.

How odd that you ignore these facts while openly advocating ostriches like Buchanan and Ron Paul to deal with the problems of this era.

A Cynic would detect a very clear pattern in what you choose to see and what you choose to ignore, and the conclusion is unavoidable.

Now, if you had ANY decency at all, you would be apologizing to the murdered of the Lusitania and other victims of German Imperial Hubris who had the misfortune to get in between Berlin and global dominance.

But you won’t, now will you?

Turtler on April 17, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Lance Murdock:

If anything blame the French

Perhaps I missed the lesson in history class where the French invaded Poland in 1939?

The ultimate blame for Hitler lies much on the same shoulders blame for WWI and its crimes does: on the Germans themselves.

Ultimately, it was due to the militarists’ desire to pass on blame for Germany’s defeat that doomed whatever hope the Weimar Republic had, just as it was Bismarck’s nationalism that ultimately fueled the flames of WWI.

And can you really blame the Western Allies for demanding revenge?

Keep in mind that all of them save the US had suffered greatly during the war, and the French in particular had to live with almost five decades of German occupation and- bluntly- the quite atrocious German behavior that came with it in Alsace-Lorraine and in other parts of occupied France in the early 70′s and during WWI.

Bluntly, Versailles was not to blame for Hitler, as can be seen that many of the harsher terms in it had ALREADY been repealed BEFORE Hitler came to power in 1933. You can’t blame the British or French desiring revenge for Hitler, for that is a disingenuous false flag masking the true reason: the growing militancy of the German populace and their inability to accept their responsibilities for WWI.

Let’s not blame the victims for the crimes of the aggressors.

Turtler on April 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM