Did Obama blow interrogators’ cover with this release?

posted at 3:33 pm on April 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

On the earlier thread regarding the release of the interrogation memos, several commenters have argued that their release has made the country less safe and interrogators less able to surprise detainees.  According to Politico, the Obama administration weighed the consequences of releasing the detailed discussions of interrogation methods and the levels and conditions of approvals granted, but in the end opted for transparency over op-sec:

White House senior adviser David Axelrod says President Barack Obama spent about a month pondering whether to release Bush-era memos about CIA interrogation techniques Thursday and considered it “a weighty decision.”

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said . “One is the sanctity of covert operations and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

The president consulted officials from the Justice Department, the CIA, the director of National Intelligence and the Homeland Security Department, according to his adviser.

“It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said. “As with so many issues, there are competing points of view that flow from very genuine interests and concerns that are to be respected. And then the president has to synthesize all of it and make a decision that’s in the broad national interest. He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

Bill Kristol disagrees with the decision:

So: We were once in danger. Now we live in “a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009.” Now, in April 2009, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence seems to be saying, we’re safe.

Good news, if true. And it would be an amazing tribute to the preceding administration’s efforts in the war on terror–efforts that Democrats have been saying for years were making us less safe. Apparently, the old policies worked. The threat from al Qaeda has gone. We now have the luxury of “reflection,” as President Obama put it in his statement, the luxury of debating and deploring what we did back in the bad old days when there was a war on. After all, “we have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history.”

Leave aside how dark and painful the chapter really was. The question is, Is it over? Is the chapter in which we had to focus on preventing further attacks really through? Isn’t there still a war against the jihadists on?

Well, now we call it an Overseas Contingency Operation, but yes, it’s still on.  Normally, I’d agree with Kristol and the rest of the critics about the release of interrogation boundaries and conditions, except that it’s all been public for the last several years now.  We’ve talked about stress positions, confinement, sleep deprivation, and waterboarding ad nauseam since Abu Ghraib.  Very little that was already not public was revealed in these memos, excepting the “insect” procedure.  Even that, though, was only used after explaining to the detainee that the “insect” involved would neither bite nor sting, which reveals in the moment the limitations on the procedure.

I’m not saying there is no risk in exposing these memos, but we should balance the actual risk against the ability to know exactly — after several years — how these decisions were made so that we can have a rational discussion about interrogation techniques.  It’s still an arguable call, but I’d prefer that we err on the side of transparency in a democracy, and allow us to argue from the actual facts rather than sets of wild assumptions on both sides about the issue.  In this case, after having already committed to limiting ourselves to the publicly-available Army Field Manual for interrogation techniques, the release of these defunct memos (eventually withdrawn by the Bush administration) does no more harm than what’s already been done.

Jazz Shaw brings up a better point:

No, the bigger question on my mind is, should the memos have been released at all? Yes, I know a lot of people are highly exercised over the whole thing and they want the truth brought out. Generally I default to the idea that what the government does is our business and keeping things secret from us is a sign of bad faith.

There is one area where I draw the line, though, and that comes in the form of matters of law enforcement and security. You can’t always let all of your cats out of the bag if you want to stay one step ahead of the bad guys. When a new administration comes in and finds fault with the policies of the previous, change them by all means. And if the fault is so egregious that it requires prosecution, we have military courts for such things which don’t need to have every detail hung out to dry in Newsweek.

Will this release cause future presidents to be less willing to document and retain vital documents for fear that they will be published later in the name of scoring political points? Will each administration’s tenure end with a paper shredding party in the West Wing?

We actually have laws requiring the retention of these kinds of documentation, so shredding parties would be a violation in and of themselves.  Again, I agree that this is a legitimate concern, but I think that we’re better off with transparency in order to keep government from breaking the law — if not in this case, then in others, especially when Obama made it clear that he wouldn’t pursue prosecutions on the basis of these memos, which would act as a defense for the interrogators in any case.

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Obama clearly hates this Country. Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers and other’s influence is coming out and we’re the ones in danger because of it. The major job of the President is to keep this Country and its people safe. He is doing just the opposite. What are we going to do?

suzyk on April 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM

As I have said in the past (sorry to borrow the Obamaism….)

Obama and the Democrats: Destroying America one day at a time

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM

MSM ignore button: ON!

artist on April 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Ed are you feeling ok?
Your posts today make sense.
I’m worried.

e-pirate on April 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said . “One is the sanctity of covert operations and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

OK, let me see if I got this straight. A while ago, Jake Tapper asks (I assume he’s still waiting) for forms on those darn lobbyists that he wanted in his administration. (yawn).

HOWEVER, it takes him a month to think about the transparency. This is the biggest load of crap and yes, I am now “officially” worried about terrorism within the country because of his policies.

HarryStar on April 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM

If only The Precedent had been as concerned about transparency regarding his omnibus spending bill.

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM

How about some of that transparency with his transcripts and medical records?

ctmom on April 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I have a suspicion that this is all leading up to an eventual preponderance of evidence led by the MSM to call for charges against the former administration.

Kini on April 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM

And the other was the law and his belief in transparency

They really need to set up the laugh lines better. This one just kinda rolls right on by.

TexasDan on April 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Good post.

Tough decision and was surprised it was not redacted more.

We are on a slippery slope of being a nation of laws and nobody is above the law.

We prosecuted the Japanese for water boarding and it is illegal.

If you ignore this crime, what other crimes should we ignore? What does it do to the justice system?

Should we pass illegal amnesty?

Make weed legal?

What is next?

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It’s still an arguable call, but I’d prefer that we err on the side of transparency in a democracy

Really, Ed? I’d have to disagree with you during a time of war. And as easy as we may have it comparitavely, there are definitely still plenty of enemies out there plotting our deaths.

PS – we don’t live in a democracy.

eucher on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

We actually have laws requiring the retention of these kinds of documentation, so shredding parties would be a violation in and of themselves.

We also have laws against illegal immigration. Enforcement of our laws is politically driven, as is the appointment of our AG. Realpolitik.

a capella on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Obama made it clear that he wouldn’t pursue prosecutions on the basis of these memos

Sorry, but this statement is one that has been bothering me thoughout this discussion.

It is NOT Obamas call as to Prosecute or not. It is up to US Attorneys, and the Attorney General.

In Fact, the President making this statement makes a Political decision of a LEGAL matter.

The President can, after the fact, Pardon people, or commute sentences, but he can not, and should not, be able to stop a prosecution.

This would be like Bambi saying that he had decided that in Blaggos case, he had decided that no laws had been broken, and so the Attorney General and US Attorneys cannot prosecute.

Different types of cases, but same premise.

Which is why releasing these Docs MUDDIED that water, more than they cleared up the case….

Also remember that Obama does NOT control Congress… so expect Hearings about this very soon…

Romeo13 on April 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Looks like yet another Really Big Mistake that only Very Intelligent People make.

Gospel

Gospel Moody on April 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Obama is just feeding the masses what they want to hear. He is immune and will do anything to discredit the USA and President Bush. Strengthens his position across the board with the voters that he wants to hang on to and add. At this point in time he is untouchable. Conservatives can preach to the choir and not a single new vote will appear. Tea parties have come and gone and nada, zip, zero has changed. Many conservatives have enough teabags left to have tea and crumpets for the rest of their lives.

rsl775 on April 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM

There are some things dealing with national security that the masses don’t need to know, ever. There, is that clear enough. I guess we will be such an open society that we will no longer exist. But at least we will have no secrets.

d1carter on April 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM

There was no obligation to release these docs. None. Transparency? Thppp. When it suits him.

Hey Hussein, howsabout some more transparency? Cough up the names of the authors of that DHS hatchet job on your ideological opponents.

Akzed on April 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM

So transparency is important when it come to telling enemies how we interogate prisoners, but not so important when it comes to just about anything else he’s done…

Scrappy on April 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM

PPS – Since when is Obama interested in transparency? His entire administration thus far has seemed to enjoy secrecy and stealth bills.

eucher on April 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Here is the real question — Does ZERO care?

I wonder why ZERO hates America so much. He is beginning to sound an awful lot like Rev Wright on his world apology tours.

tarpon on April 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Obama is a domestic enemy of the United Staes.

Alden Pyle on April 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM

As I have said in the past (sorry to borrow the Obamaism….)

Yes, he can’t seem to say more than a few sentences w/o throwing that in.

jgapinoy on April 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I’m glad Obama and the gaggle of clowns that work for him were not in charge the day before the invasion of Normandy.

fogw on April 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Yesterday, getabrain was lauding Obama for not prosecuting waterboarders. My head spins.

lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM

More like he weighed the political damage and if it would hurt him.

lwssdd on April 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM

I did not need to know this information. I always assumed and hoped that they were doing these things in effort to get information.

The transparency I want now, is what is the Obama Administration going to do to keep us safe in the future? This stuff from the past seemed to have worked but really isn’t available to us now. So what are they going to do and when can I expect the details from the BY Times and Katie Couric?

myrenovations on April 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM

“It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said. “[ ... ]He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

The Precedent’s a moron. He could think about something for 30 years and still not know much of anything about it, whiloe coming to the most idiotic conclusion and then being arrogant about it – not knowing what a fool he looks like.

We’ve talked about stress positions, confinement, sleep deprivation, and waterboarding ad nauseam since Abu Ghraib.

– Ed

There’s a huge difference between talk and official documentation. HUGE.

Very little that was already not public was revealed in these memos, excepting the “insect” procedure. Even that, though, was only used after explaining to the detainee that the “insect” involved would neither bite nor sting, which reveals in the moment the limitations on the procedure.

You have got to be kidding with this insect thing. This is all a big joke, right? Someone objects to insects being used? And I don’t care if they sting or not. This insect angle is such a frivolous point that I find it hard to believe anyone would take it seriously.

But I will say one thing, we ought to be feeding the detainees insects. They are nutricious, high in protein and officially approved by PETA, I believe.

The release of these memos was meant to do what The Precedent is always looking to do – weaken America. He wants us to be less safe. There’s no arguing about it one way or another. No one can increase every piece of pork-laden, socialist, wasteful, anti-Constitutional piece of federal spending, while cutting only defense, and make any credible claim to desire the US be safer. That is just too obvious.

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Copies of some the memos released can be found here.

Still reading them, myself.

coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Hey I have an idea…………

………. let’s read the interrogation techniques and train ourselves to be resistant against them so they will be less effective.

What………

…………… don’t you think Al Qaeda isn’t thinking the same thing?

Seven Percent Solution on April 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Now, in April 2009, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence seems to be saying, we’re safe.

We’re safe from the “world’s terrorists”-they don’t exist anymore. It’s the American Rightwing Vets coming home from the war, or anyone who doesn’t support abortion, illegal immigration, gun control, or big government who are the enemy. Taliban, Al Qeida (Sp), and Iran are our new playsand friends….

CynicalOptimist on April 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM

We dont torture terrorists, we stress test them. Much like we do to banks.

lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM

All is fair in aiding our enemy! Remember the infamous Murtha speech!

allrsn on April 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Obama made it clear that he wouldn’t pursue prosecutions on the basis of these memos

Sorry, but this statement is one that has been bothering me thoughout this discussion.

It is NOT Obamas call as to Prosecute or not. It is up to US Attorneys, and the Attorney General.

In Fact, the President making this statement makes a Political decision of a LEGAL matter.

The President can, after the fact, Pardon people, or commute sentences, but he can not, and should not, be able to stop a prosecution.

This would be like Bambi saying that he had decided that in Blaggos case, he had decided that no laws had been broken, and so the Attorney General and US Attorneys cannot prosecute.

Different types of cases, but same premise.

Which is why releasing these Docs MUDDIED that water, more than they cleared up the case….

Also remember that Obama does NOT control Congress… so expect Hearings about this very soon…

Romeo13 on April 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Sorry, but I think you are incorrect here. The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch and the AG serves at the (total) pleasure of the President. He has the absolute power to relieve the AG at any time – which means, in essence, that the AG takes his marching orders from the President.

And consider: it makes little sense, really, to require the Gummint to bear the expense, etc. of a trial when the President can overturn it.

For better or worse, this is the President’s call to make if he wants to make it; doesn’t have to, but if he wishes that’s the way the Constitutional structure works.

ManUFan on April 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

I have a question.

If it was President Obama that did this , would you want him to not be held accountable?

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Oh yeah! Transparency — that’s what Obama’s all about. Sure. So where has all the money gone? What special deal did he get from Rezko? Why does he appoint people who don’t pay their taxes? Why did he try to hide that he was a socialist? Why did he pretend to be a Christian when he wants all vestiges of Christianity removed from the picture when he is talking at a Catholic university? Where are his college records? Passport records? Where did all his contributions come from? What’s his real connection with ACORN right now?

Christian Conservative on April 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Did Obama blow interrogators’ cover with this release?

Barack Obama is the IDIOT in chief, and the eyes and ears for Al Qaeda. In all my years, I have never ever seen a U.S. president do this much damage, in such a short time, to our country. The fools that voted this POS into office should be ashamed…

byteshredder on April 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM

I think HopeyChangey knew what he was doing and deliberately released this information. He didn’t want his Muslim co-religionists to be unprepared when they get interrogated by Western nations’ security personnel.

Thanks to Hopeychangey, the Islamic Terrorists (a redundancy if there ever was one) know what they are in for if they get caught. Future terror ops will be that much harder to unearth, all thanks to this Muslim sonofabitch we have as an unqualified, affirmative-action President.

CatchAll on April 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM

“It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said. “As with so many issues, there are competing points of view that flow from very genuine interests and concerns that are to be respected. And then the president has to synthesize all of it and make a decision that’s in the broad national interest. He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

I don’t actually see anything that we didn’t know before. Except maybe that the Attorney General signed off on it so it was perfectly legal in every sense of the word.

The only problem is the propaganda angle. I think a seal for 50 years would have been appropriate. No one in this generation. Including us. Will be able to honestly evaluate how successful or unsuccessful the decisions Bush and his administration made.

I know that Bush kept me safe. That has to be enough for now.

Certainly his direct competition has no standing to judge him.

No Mr. Kristol we are not at war any longer. Now we are performing some kind of police action type of thing. At any rate the rules have all changed. And to be sure–we gave up any chance to use these methods effectively again.

The terrorists know where the order to stop is. They know for sure they won’t be damaged. They know how to pretend damage to make the questions stop.

Next time it will be Mr. Obama’s war. And we will see what new and improved methods he comes up with. He will need new methods or Obama will commit treason.

petunia on April 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Sorry, but I think you are incorrect here. The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch and the AG serves at the (total) pleasure of the President. He has the absolute power to relieve the AG at any time – which means, in essence, that the AG takes his marching orders from the President.

ManUFan on April 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Not really. The next AG would need to get Congressional approval before he could take the job, so Congress has as much say, with respect to your point, as the President. Romeo is correct. And it is a very disturbing point. It should be doubly amazing to people that such a moronic statement comes from an alleged expert in law. The President is not a king, not even over the Executive branch.

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

BHO was so “transparent” with his birth certificate, his college and law school transcripts, his medical records, etc., etc., it only makes sense that he’d want to give our enemies a heads-up regarding our nation’s highly classified military intelligence secrets.

He’s such a “transparent” guy.

StimulateTHIS on April 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM

We’re safe now? Is that the message they want to send? Then by all means, repeal the Patriot Act. Repeal the NSA warrantless wiretaps. Seems Obama wants it both ways. Funny that.

Sue on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Brick by brick.

baldilocks on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

If you ignore this crime, what other crimes should we ignore? What does it do to the justice system?

They aren’t going to prosecute anyone, GAL.

You lose.

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

The so called “torture” techniques are not a crime. It’s called being smart and protecing US citizens. If we really acted like we were at war, waterboarding would be at the top of the list and all subsequent torture would be worse from there.

John D on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Looks like yet Onother really Big A$$ Mistake America that only Very Intelligent People make.

Gospel

Gospel Moody on April 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Couldn’t resist!

jdkchem on April 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Sorry, but I think you are incorrect here. The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch and the AG serves at the (total) pleasure of the President. He has the absolute power to relieve the AG at any time – which means, in essence, that the AG takes his marching orders from the President.

Tell that to Miers and Rove.

Sue on April 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said

Who’s this “widely” fellow?, Is this the new dogs nickname or a code word for Bill Ayers?

Rovin on April 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

getabrain was cheering obama’s decision not to prosecute them just yesterday. getaclue can’t remember the spin from day to day. it needs a software upgrade.

lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Who’s this “widely” fellow?, Is this the new dogs nickname or a code word for Bill Ayers?

Rovin on April 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM

His telepromter, silly.

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Remember in the campaign Obama saying his top priority was to get Osama bin Laden?
Now that he is President not one mention of it.
He must have been given the word when he became President that Osama is dead…for many years perhaps. Kept a secret to get the rest of the al Queda boys.

albill on April 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I mean, his teleprompter….

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM

ManUFan on April 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

And the Bush Whitehouse was in trouble for firing who? 5 Attorneys?

And that was not even to squash an investigation.

Romeo13 on April 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Thanks to Hopeychangey, the Islamic Terrorists (a redundancy if there ever was one) know what they are in for if they get caught.

I’m not sure they can get that much info out of Obama saying “here’s a list of techniques we no longer use.”

Future terror ops will be that much harder to unearth, all thanks to this Muslim sonofabitch we have as an unqualified, affirmative-action President.

CatchAll on April 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Take some deep breaths and calm down there, killer.

e-pirate on April 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Next time it will be Mr. Obama’s war. And we will see what new and improved methods he comes up with. He will need new methods or Obama will commit treason.

petunia on April 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

This was a political decision made to bolster his image of transparency. His big problem is that it also doubles down on the bet we won’t be getting any more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. If we do, he’ll not be able to avoid responsibility for inadequate intelligence due to giving a a hand up to terrorists under interrogation. He’s making a big bet here.

a capella on April 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM

They aren’t going to prosecute anyone, GAL.

You lose.

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

So, the President can break the law too.

Interesting.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Kind of like illegal immigration!

getalife, I strongly suggest that you take the time and READ “Given Up For Dead: America’s Heroic Stand at Wake Island”.
The Japanese were doing far more than waterboarding. If you honestly think that is all they were prosecuted for you are incredibly naive and misinformed.

jdkchem on April 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

David Axelrod is quoted as follows:

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said . “One is the sanctity of covert operations and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

I believe this is a falsehood. Specifically, I do not believe that Pres. Obama, or his Administration believes in “transparency”, nor do I believe that the internal debate over the integrity of covert ops v. tranparency caused Pres. Obama to think long and hard about whether to release these documents.

Regarding tranparency, on the contrary the Obama Administration has been opaque about the destination of stimulus spending, the way this money is being accounted for and, just this week, how the DHS report of “right wing extremists” came to be released (is Sec. Napolitano’s restriction of MSNBC interviewers to one question on the topic an example of “transparency”?).

As for Pres. Obama’s internal struggle about releasing this material, the release sounds positively “Clintonesque”. The Administration has taken evey shot possible at the Bush Administration. Every problem has been blamed on the former President. In my opinion, this is just one more example of trying to smear Pres. Bush. I believe that Pres. Obama has been chomping at the bit to release this stuff, and any delay was caused only by trying to find a way to justify doing so. In reality, his thought process on this is similar to that of Bayliss, if Ed’s analysis is correct, i.e. they were both just looking for a way to justify what they wanted to do.

Blaise on April 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I’m shocked ….. SHOCKED! …that we’d actually resort to using BUGS to terrorize terrorists!

I do remember that worms and spiders worked pretty well to scare the little girls back in grade school. But who knew these tough, hard-line jihadists, who don’t even flinch when they’re decapitating a bound and blindfolded captive with a dull sword, would be so frightened by little creepy-crawlies.

Maybe we should just give them a stern talking-to and put them in “time-out”.

StimulateTHIS on April 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM

So, the President can break the law too.

Interesting.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I never said that and you know it.

You lose.

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM

This decision will cost lives eventually. It ties the CIA’s and the presidents hands as to how we can interogate these scum from here on out. The Army field Manual was written with soldiers and officers in the field in mind, not the upper echelons of our security services dealing with the worst of the worst. It was written with the understanding that different rules applied to those cases. Not anymore. Now we can’t even use techniques used by you’re local police forces investigating a robbery. No good cop, bad cop. No shouting or intimidation. No threats of any kind. That’s what’s in the Army field Manual. Good luck with that. Sleep tight.

Sefton on April 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM

jdkchem on April 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Exactly!

ladyingray on April 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Bill Kristol disagrees with the decision

I read it as Kristol disagreeing with the message that we are not at war any more, as a commentary about Barack’s “preening” arrogance, and an expression of concern that if we can’t use the techniques on the list, what can we do? Even if one knows, say, that they could be waterboarded that only makes it slightly less powerful a tool. The fact that tactics were declassified is almost secondary to what the larger implications are.

I don’t see at all how transparency helps us here. All it does is provide headline fodder to the hysterics on the Left, and furthermore it makes us appear weak and thus vulnerable in the eyes of the enemy.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM

getabrain was cheering obama’s decision not to prosecute them just yesterday. getaclue can’t remember the spin from day to day. it needs a software upgrade.

lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM

I did not cheer it on but stated they will pass illegal amnesty next.

Since we are picking and choosing which laws to enforce or give a free pass.

If you are okay with President Obama breaking the law too, so be it.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Maybe we should just give them a stern talking-to and put them in “time-out”.

StimulateTHIS on April 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Nope. Can’t do it. That’s not allowed by the Army field Manual. Really.

Sefton on April 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Not really. The next AG would need to get Congressional approval before he could take the job, so Congress has as much say, with respect to your point, as the President. Romeo is correct. And it is a very disturbing point. It should be doubly amazing to people that such a moronic statement comes from an alleged expert in law. The President is not a king, not even over the Executive branch.

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

October 20, 1973: the Saturday Night Massacre. Check it out.

ManUFan on April 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM

*~@:){> ………………

……….. yes, he is smiling!

Seven Percent Solution on April 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Will each administration’s tenure end with a paper shredding party in the West Wing?

What about the “protected” documents?

Maybe Sandy Burglar will consider contract work, should the need again arise.

docob on April 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Ed said,

if not in this case, then in others, especially when Obama made it clear that he wouldn’t pursue prosecutions on the basis of these memos, which would act as a defense for the interrogators in any case

.

Ed, as Jim Geraghty states on your show many times is that Obama’s statments or promises come with an expiration date. It well may happen in this case down the road. Do you think Las Vegas will take odds on the date? I say 14 July 2009 at 4PM he will ask Eric to convene a special prosecution.

USMCDevilDog on April 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM

This administration has painted itself into a corner over rough interegations.

Out with stress positions and waterboarding. In with speeches and teleprompters. The bad guys will of of course provide answers once they see hope and change. Shameful.

moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Republicans shoulder the unfortunate task of having to constantly prove that they do not intend to exclude minorities from party policy positions, maybe understandably due to the paucity of minorities who identify as conservatives. I have no problem with GOP positions as they relate to racial demographics, but I’m a white male, and in theory I am the target of GOP policies.

In a more exaggerated and legitimate manner, Democrats shoulder the responsibility of reversing the image of the party faithful as a bunch of anti-American, anti-military, anti-law-and-order liberal ninnies, this image well-earned from the 1960s forward and because their coalition includes every legitimately anti-American cult in the country.

Obama will be rightly held to this perception of his administration and yet he seems hell-bent on vindicating critics of the Democrats by playing right along. This also seems to vindicate all of those who see him as recklessly arrogant.

His distinct advantage comes in two parts: a press wholly owned by his administration which is in turn dedicated to protecting his image, and the inconvenient fact that his only opposition comes from an inept and fallow GOP. Were there a functioning GOP, it wouldn’t take much to cement this collage into a clear picture of the 2009 Democrats:

Obama – NY Times sedition – 1960s Anti-War radicals – Code Pinko Loons – MoveOn.org haters – G20 Anarchists – BlackRacist Caucus knobbing Castro in Cuba – South-Central LA race riots – releasing Gitmo detainee terrorists – No Preconditions – cut and run in Iraq rhetoric – undermining Israel.

Too bad we have no leadership.

Jaibones on April 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM

The real problem is that government lawyers will now draft their opinions in light of the possibility that they will be published. So you will get politically-correct trimming instead of candor.

Karl on April 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This Affirmative Action idiot wants transparency for everything but his school, health and citizenship records. He is in so far over his head that he’s not capable of comprehending the damage he is doing. I wonder if Michelle is proud of her country yet?

UnEasyRider on April 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I believe this is a falsehood. Specifically, I do not believe that Pres. Obama, or his Administration believes in “transparency”, nor do I believe that the internal debate over the integrity of covert ops v. tranparency caused Pres. Obama to think long and hard about whether to release these documents.

Blaise on April 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Right. Clearly this administration is already measurably less transparent than “the most secretive administration in history”, as they often referred to Bush Cheney. So that’s just a pathetic joke at this point.

But more clearly – they might spend long hours thinking about the political issues associated with a given policy, I don’t believe they think for an instant about what policies are right or wrong. Only the politics, just as Clinton did.

Jaibones on April 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Now that the war on terror is over.

We can go spend crazy on the war on Global Warming.

There are industries to be created and fortunes to be made in the Global Warming fear business.

Happy day are here again.

Now the Democrat’s friends and family will get first crack at the feeding frenzy.

All the while, America’s sheeple continue with eyes wide shut.

roflmao

donabernathy on April 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Hey. Retard. Try to remember your own stupid spin. Would ya?

lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM

October 20, 1973: the Saturday Night Massacre. Check it out.

ManUFan on April 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Yes, but Congress still has to approve the replacements and the President can’t tell the acting AG what to do. The President only has so much power over the Executive branch. It’s not unlimited.

In the end, Romeo was correct and The Precedent was incorrect. But we already know that The Precedent doesn’t know jack about our country. The Precedent doesn’t know jack about much of anything.

progressoverpeace on April 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I’m glad Obama wasn’t President when Gen Douglas McArthur got sacked (by Truman), who knows what defense plans of McArthur Obama would have released in the name of ‘transparency’ (like his transparent birth certificate which to date is invisible, and like his college and law school records and LSAT scores, so transparent you could see through them). George Bush disagreed with a lot of what the Clinton Administration’s legal department and OLC did, but he never once released any of the confidential memos to the public just to score cheap political points. I’m sure the last Administration could have found lots of embarrassing opinions there (just opening up the WACO and RUBY RIDGE files could have been enough to permanently stain the Clintons) but Pres Bush had more sense than this group of thugs and greenhorns. AQ must be having quite the good time with the release of this information.

eaglewingz08 on April 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Did Obama blow interrogators….

Larry Sinclair was an interrogator?

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM

StimulateTHIS on April 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Before we start with the Orwell rat cage analogies, I just want to note that the fuzzy caterpillar technique was approved, but never used.

BohicaTwentyTwo on April 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Chicago politics to a tee. This idiot is playing politics only and has NO inclination to do ANYTHING for Americans. Politics is his only game.

oakpack on April 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM

the release of these defunct memos (eventually withdrawn by the Bush administration) does no more harm than what’s already been done.

except to establish precedence

If the beans are already spilled, then what’s the point of “revealing” anything NOW. If the revelation MUST be made public, then why not wait until Obama departs from office?

Transparency isn’t happening with Obama. What gets exposed is merely cover for what’s being hidden.

Of all presidents, Obama is the least likely to consider the EVENTUAL harm his determinations do to his office as Constitutionally permitted and required.

maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM

if i were a covert operative, i wouldn’t tell anyone what sort of techniques i used. how stupid would that be?

ps, i’m really not a covert operative.

kelley in virginia on April 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Will this help or harm efforts to protect this Nation?

Sure doesn’t help, save to placate all those drooling Americans who want to exercise their “desire to know.”

It will harm efforts of those who have an actual “need to know” by forcing every rung of the ladder to be overly cautious, be overly analytical, and overly sensitive to the prospect that even after a presidential Finding has been drafted, approved and signed off on at all levels, they may still find themselves standing alone before some judge somewhere within the federal judiciary at some point trying to defend themselves from allegations and charges, regardless of the legality of their actions. Yep, let’s m,ake it even more difficult for our side to try to bring this whole thing to a successful and beneficial conclusion sooner rather than later, if at all.

We’ve lived through a number of these “night of the long knives” scenarios within our intelligence community over the years. But, while “we” lived, a lot of programs died…and by extension a lot of innocents died, or had their lives unalterably changed forever when the rug was pulled out from under them without so much as a howdy do.

We’ve also shown our allies…and these are the folks Obama tried to recruit to help us in places like Afghanistan last week…that we simply cannot keep official secrets officially secret.

I know of one particular case a number of years ago, where after a Congressional briefing of a foreign asset at the demand of Congress in closed hearing, an almost verbatim transcript of that hearing appeared within 48 hours in a major national NY-based newspaper. The foreign asset? Stopped all cooperation immediately, relocated at his own expense and as of five years after the event hadn’t chosen to speak to any American official about anything, to include reimbursing him his personal expenses for our screw-up.

People overseas do read our press, do watch our televised media, and listen to our radio, and actually read blogs and news on the internet.

Damage has already been done.

I am still reading the memos, printing them out as I read them. Way too much information being provided even after the redacting.

What I find extremely galling is Attorney General Eric Holder and White House Counsel Greg Craig were vocal supporters of full publication of the memos, according to reports. Full publication! Would that be a violation of current sections of US Code?

But CIA chief Leon Panetta and CIA Deputy Director John Brennan called for portions of the memos to be blacked out, or redacted. The memos I am printing out are (thankfully) the redacted versions.

Let’s hamstring any advantage we might still have remaining going after a cunning, ruthless and dangerous target set.

That should help inspire our best and brightest young men and women at the tip of the spear to try harder, work harder faster, to ensure our safety. Right?

coldwarrior on April 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Obama? Blow? Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rocks on April 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

We are on a slippery slope of being a nation of laws and nobody is above the law.

getapair on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Not true. Democrats are held to be above the law all the time.

Teddy Kennedy killed a woman and walked.

Bill Clinton committed felony perjury and walked.

And I’m just getting started.

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Limited transparancy is opacity (or at best translucency).

C’mon Ed, you’re smarter than this.

So Barry can obfuscate on Aunt Zetunia, college transcripts, Geithner’s knowledge of AIG bonuses, connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, etc, but he’s shining light on our legal interrogation techniques so…..

let’s give him a round of applause?

I agree with Jazz Shaw, this will only lead to better concealment of future activites from public eyes.

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM

ps, i’m really not a covert operative.

kelley in virginia on April 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Neither was Valerie Plame. If she were, someone would have been prosecuted for outing her.

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Obama’s 100% transparent about our national security.

I wonder why?

notagool on April 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM

So, the President can break the law too.

Interesting.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Ask Bill Clinton. According to Federal Judge Richard Posner, he broke the law several times, all felonies. And walked.

Judge Posner said that a “normal” US citizen who did what Bubba did would be thrown into Federal prison for 3 years at the least.

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM

This is just the beginning. The reds are pulling down Stalin’s statues before he’s buried. That is to say, those who are now in charge are attempting to add legitimacy to their own rule by “exposing the sins and excesses of the previous govt.” Totally a zero sum game. Since the inauguration we’ve seen day after day, speech after speech of thinly veiled blame heaped on the previous administration. Obama owns the mea culpa two step and plays it for any group, person, special interest or country who he feels we may have wronged or may be receptive to his politicization of events.

Below the air of respectable cabinet level appointments Obama has inserted a radical bunch of mid level management activist types like Rosa Brooks and Harold Koh. They have both access to information and the means and desire to push forward multifaceted agendas and all to the far left. Leaking will continue to be the modus operandi of this administration and it will get worse for obvious reasons.

moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM

And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.

Transparency for all but The One.
No birth certificate.
No college records.
No credit card donation records.

Ah… transparency.

cannonball on April 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Ask Bill Clinton. According to Federal Judge Richard Posner, he broke the law several times, all felonies. And walked.

Judge Posner said that a “normal” US citizen who did what Bubba did would be thrown into Federal prison for 3 years at the least.

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM

So did Nixon, Iran Contra and now w.

Great, they are above the law. We are not a nation of laws except for the average citizen.

Lets legalize weed and illegals.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Why won’t Barry show us his college transcripts?

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Why won’t Barry demand his illegal Aunt Z. be deported?

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Why won’t Barry show us his college transcripts?

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Nobody cares.

Hell, he can break the law and get a free pass.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

“Will each administration’s tenure end with a paper shredding party in the West Wing?”

I’m beginning to think this would be most advisable in the future after reading the mindless drivel of Ed’s above:

“we should balance the actual risk against the ability to know exactly — after several years — how these decisions were made so that we can have a rational discussion about interrogation techniques.”

Rational discussion of torture methods in public? Come on, all this detailed public information will do is create a roar of indignity from numerous hoards of self-righteous sap-heart organizations & and pandering low-life politicians who will do whatever their outraged empty heads can come up with that will greatly hobble the efforts of those trying to save our skins. Even Obama realizes that a lengthy dragging out of these matters is very counterproductive.

We don’t need to know all this stuff and we must give a decent measure of trust to those who are desperately trying to protect us from real harm. We are living in a new world of new dangers that we don’t fully understand & control and the last thing we should be doing is creating problems lamenting past waterboarding of mortal enemies!

I say thank God for waterboarding! and I would wish the CIA the best of luck with its justifiable use.

Chessplayer on April 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Our President is a dangerous idealogue – a very very dangerous individual in history.

marklmail on April 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM

LIMBAUGH: *SLAP* I just slapped myself! *SLAP* *SLAP* *SLAP* I’m torturing myself, right now! That’s torture! *SLAP* According to these people. *SLAP* If there is another hit…ahhhhh – ahhhh – *sigh*…welllll *SLAP* *sigh* UHHHHHHB….wooooofff.

Funny, now water board him.

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 6:09 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I care damn it!

I had to show my transcripts to MY employer.

If everything is normal, why wouldn’t he release his transcripts and shut people with concerns like myself up?

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM

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