Did Obama blow interrogators’ cover with this release?

posted at 3:33 pm on April 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

On the earlier thread regarding the release of the interrogation memos, several commenters have argued that their release has made the country less safe and interrogators less able to surprise detainees.  According to Politico, the Obama administration weighed the consequences of releasing the detailed discussions of interrogation methods and the levels and conditions of approvals granted, but in the end opted for transparency over op-sec:

White House senior adviser David Axelrod says President Barack Obama spent about a month pondering whether to release Bush-era memos about CIA interrogation techniques Thursday and considered it “a weighty decision.”

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said . “One is the sanctity of covert operations and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

The president consulted officials from the Justice Department, the CIA, the director of National Intelligence and the Homeland Security Department, according to his adviser.

“It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said. “As with so many issues, there are competing points of view that flow from very genuine interests and concerns that are to be respected. And then the president has to synthesize all of it and make a decision that’s in the broad national interest. He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

Bill Kristol disagrees with the decision:

So: We were once in danger. Now we live in “a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009.” Now, in April 2009, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence seems to be saying, we’re safe.

Good news, if true. And it would be an amazing tribute to the preceding administration’s efforts in the war on terror–efforts that Democrats have been saying for years were making us less safe. Apparently, the old policies worked. The threat from al Qaeda has gone. We now have the luxury of “reflection,” as President Obama put it in his statement, the luxury of debating and deploring what we did back in the bad old days when there was a war on. After all, “we have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history.”

Leave aside how dark and painful the chapter really was. The question is, Is it over? Is the chapter in which we had to focus on preventing further attacks really through? Isn’t there still a war against the jihadists on?

Well, now we call it an Overseas Contingency Operation, but yes, it’s still on.  Normally, I’d agree with Kristol and the rest of the critics about the release of interrogation boundaries and conditions, except that it’s all been public for the last several years now.  We’ve talked about stress positions, confinement, sleep deprivation, and waterboarding ad nauseam since Abu Ghraib.  Very little that was already not public was revealed in these memos, excepting the “insect” procedure.  Even that, though, was only used after explaining to the detainee that the “insect” involved would neither bite nor sting, which reveals in the moment the limitations on the procedure.

I’m not saying there is no risk in exposing these memos, but we should balance the actual risk against the ability to know exactly — after several years — how these decisions were made so that we can have a rational discussion about interrogation techniques.  It’s still an arguable call, but I’d prefer that we err on the side of transparency in a democracy, and allow us to argue from the actual facts rather than sets of wild assumptions on both sides about the issue.  In this case, after having already committed to limiting ourselves to the publicly-available Army Field Manual for interrogation techniques, the release of these defunct memos (eventually withdrawn by the Bush administration) does no more harm than what’s already been done.

Jazz Shaw brings up a better point:

No, the bigger question on my mind is, should the memos have been released at all? Yes, I know a lot of people are highly exercised over the whole thing and they want the truth brought out. Generally I default to the idea that what the government does is our business and keeping things secret from us is a sign of bad faith.

There is one area where I draw the line, though, and that comes in the form of matters of law enforcement and security. You can’t always let all of your cats out of the bag if you want to stay one step ahead of the bad guys. When a new administration comes in and finds fault with the policies of the previous, change them by all means. And if the fault is so egregious that it requires prosecution, we have military courts for such things which don’t need to have every detail hung out to dry in Newsweek.

Will this release cause future presidents to be less willing to document and retain vital documents for fear that they will be published later in the name of scoring political points? Will each administration’s tenure end with a paper shredding party in the West Wing?

We actually have laws requiring the retention of these kinds of documentation, so shredding parties would be a violation in and of themselves.  Again, I agree that this is a legitimate concern, but I think that we’re better off with transparency in order to keep government from breaking the law — if not in this case, then in others, especially when Obama made it clear that he wouldn’t pursue prosecutions on the basis of these memos, which would act as a defense for the interrogators in any case.

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How can covert actions be transparent?

katiejane on April 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM

What was her name, Valerie…..Plame and ther was Skooter, uh, ….Libby. Oh, what the heck am I thinking. The dems are in control. None of that matters now.

Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Transparent security is NO security.

This release only shows what a CHILD Obama is.

Historically vapid, and a national security disaster.

profitsbeard on April 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM

What was her name, Valerie…..Plame and ther was Skooter, uh, ….Libby. Oh, what the heck am I thinking. The dems are in control. None of that matters now.

Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 6:29 PM

What is so laughable-and hypocritical-about the Left’s behavior in the Plame non-story is that before she came along, they had all hated the CIA for decades. Leftist Phillip Agee and his fellow travelers actually outed hundreds of CIA agenets, some of who later turned up dead. He and his friends were treated by the Left as heros.

But when a non-covert agent allegedly had her name leaked, it was “bad”, because it happened during a Rethuglican Administration.

If Ms. Plame was in fact covert, Richard Armitage would have been prosecuted for leaking her identity. He never was, which is proof enough that she wasn’t covert.

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Why won’t Barry show us his college transcripts?

omnipotent on April 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

My guess is that he’s not afraid of his grades, but of what courses he took that produced those grades. Remember, wehen he was in college there were all sorts of radical ideas being taught, and I have no doubt he took courses in many of them. He certainly knows Saul Alinsky like a book.

BTW, the Democrats actually sued to make Bush release all of his military records, then ignored it when his Democrat “opponent” refused to do the same thing.

Can you say double standard?

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM

I agree with so many of the comments made here.

It’s simply amazing, that he can’t be transparent about his grades, what he knew about the bonuses, the contents of his pork programs, and budget. His massive spending goes unanswered. He’s vague about almost everything, and anything pertaining to himself, his staff, and their on going propoganda….but oooooh just to stick it to Bush, and the CIA, he’s willing to compromise national security, in the name of transparency? Give me just a small break!!!

If Geraldo thinks Perrys seccession talk is treasonous, what does he think about this move?

Dollars to donuts, these same interrogation acts are continuing with his presidency!

capejasmine on April 17, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Will this release cause future presidents to be less willing to document and retain vital documents for fear that they will be published later in the name of scoring political points?

Actually it seems we are finding that from the present administration, so it is already coming true.

JeffinSac on April 17, 2009 at 7:10 PM

what was to be gained by screwing with this on Obama’s end? what an idiot

johnnyU on April 17, 2009 at 7:19 PM

what was to be gained by screwing with this on Obama’s end? what an idiot adult.

johnnyU on April 17, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Fixed it for ya.

Love and kisses,

getalife

Del Dolemonte on April 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM

nObama showed his true colors with the release of these memos and they are not Red, White and Blue. The damage done to our intelligence community and our country will be measured via body count and those bodies will be Americans. If I were an active duty member of the military I would resign my commission. Thank you Mr. President, I’ve always enjoyed the sublime dignity of military funerals.

Historic election indeed……….

dmann on April 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I think Obama was just trying to get people to think about something other than the Tea Parties and the economy. A little good old fashioned Bush blaming.

Terrye on April 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM

getalife:

It should be remembered that high level Democrats like Pelosi signed off on this, going after the Bush administration on this now just shows what back stabbing hypocrites these people really are.

Terrye on April 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Ed,

You’re totally missing the point. Yes, you’d like to know. There’s lots of things I’d like to know, too.

It doesn’t matter. Not on National Security.

Your desire to know doesn’t trump my desire not to be killed by terrorists because we told them useful information while feeding your desire to know.

If you want to make the case that releasing this information doesn’t make us less safe, great, make that case.

But if making this information freely available helps the terrorists, then you have no right to receive it.

This only holds true for national security. Anything strictly domestic, shine the light. But or foreign enemies have no right to find out how we’re defeating them.

Greg Q on April 17, 2009 at 9:05 PM

And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

Transparency by Obama is the biggest joke. Mr Fog is more like it. As far as the law think Tax Cheats in his cabinet

Herb on April 17, 2009 at 9:14 PM

getalife:

It should be remembered that high level Democrats like Pelosi signed off on this, going after the Bush administration on this now just shows what back stabbing hypocrites these people really are.

Terrye on April 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Nope … you are wrong. The Democrats did not endorse Bush’s interrogation tactics. In fact – they’ve always said what he was doing was illegal. Many even called him a war criminal.

But the administration is now admitting – through it’s actions – that they were lying about George Bush – that everything he did was completely legal.

They aren’t going to prosecute him – and that is significant. Because if they had evidence he committed a crime – then Obama is bound by his oath to prosecute.

But … see … even though Mugabe has the White House, and the Senate, and the House of Representatives. And even though he’s got plenty of friendly courts and a pack of investigators at his beck and call.

And even though the Republicans can’t stop him because they’re irrelevant … he still won’t dare bring charges because …

HE LACKS A CASE!

So party on George Bush! You’re an innocent man – and a good one if I may add!

It’s not too much to ask Democrats to put their money where their mouths are. And now that they own the whole system lock stock and barrel – there’s no excuses. Their refusal to bring charges against the Bush administration proves they were bull all along.

Sweet irony!

HondaV65 on April 17, 2009 at 10:33 PM

All I can say is when Lefty Trolls start telling you your post is rational and you cannot bring yourself to side with people you would normally then I think we’re ripe to have a logical debate on National Security issues and how the military conducts it’s self so that Joe the Plumber and I, who are uniquely qualified as are all average Americans, candetermine the best policies and procedures the military should tactically take in the future to prosecute TWOT. That way we can be sure the military is doing the absolute best it can to keep us really, really, really safe from all kinds of threats. Let’s just open it all up for discussion, take a CNN/Gallop poll and whatever 60% of the people decide the military will do and be done with it.

/Sarc I wonder why I bother anymore with Liberatarians who’ve drank the Kool-aid. *sheesh*

Sultry Beauty on April 17, 2009 at 11:12 PM

They chose Janet Napolitano to be “Intelligence Czar” for crapsake. I mean, they could have just as intelligently chosen Barney Frank or something. These are NOT serious people. And the enemy knows it. We are so screwed. I see a big fat wide-load dirty bomb coming right at us. I hope I wrong. But I know I’m not.

argos on April 17, 2009 at 11:34 PM

This is going to be good. I encourage TOTUS to poke at the CIA. Hurt them if you can. Makes the inevitable leaks of information on his college background, his citizenship, etc all the more understandable and sweet.

GunRunner on April 18, 2009 at 1:43 AM

He took four weeks to decide on this issue?!

Phoenician on April 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM

getalife on April 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Ed,

It says much about your position when getalife agrees with you.

Transparency with our tactics in dealing with terrorist scum is foolish and dangerous to our national security.

The only real transparency here is in Obama’s reason for this action. That was to appease the nutjobs that have been screaming against our torturing of terrorists.

And for the nutjobs out there, let’s go over this again.

Madmen convinces other madmen into flying commerical jets full of civilian men, women and children into buildings full of more civilian men, women and children.

Because we want to stop the madmen we torture more of the same madmen by putting them in boxes with caterpillars.

Oh, the outrage! We should be better than them!

What a mad, mad world.

shick on April 18, 2009 at 11:03 PM

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