DHS ignored civil-liberties lawyers’ warnings on report; Update: Senators demand data, explanation
posted at 10:56 am on April 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The DHS pushed its report out on right-wingers in one hell of a hurry, according to the AP. Internal reviews of the document showed concerns over potential civil-liberties violations before its publication, but DHS ignored them in order to quickly make the document public. What was the rush?
Civil liberties officials at the Homeland Security Department flagged language in a controversial report on right-wing extremists, but the agency issued the report anyway. …
Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said the report was issued before officials resolved problems raised by the agency’s civil rights division about analysts’ definition of right-wing extremism.
In a footnote in the report, right-wing extremism was defined as hate-motivated groups and movements, such as hatred of certain religions, racial or ethnic groups. It went on to say, “It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
This answers the rather absurd meme that has popped up on liberal blogs, that the Bush administration is responsible for this report. First, while the Bush administration might have wanted an assessment of right-wing extremist threats, it didn’t necessarily want one that painted returning veterans and conservative thought on abortion, illegal immigration, and federalism as extremist threats, nor did it want a threat assessment that couldn’t find a threat and had no data on actual, specific groups. Secondly, and most obviously, this report was dated April 7, 2009, almost 3 months after Bush left office.
Just when does the new administration take responsibility for reports they release? 2013? For people who thought Bush was such a dunce, they seem to give him remarkable powers to control government months after he’s retired to Crawford.
Now we see that this wasn’t just left lying around from the Bush administration. In fact, it was such a rush job that Janet Napolitano couldn’t wait to resolve the obvious civil-liberty concerns raised by her own lawyers before shoving it out the door. Napolitano would later have to backtrack on the exact same language flagged by the attorneys by claiming that she didn’t specifically approve the report issued by her office and that she would have changed the language in hindsight. She had the opportunity to fix it before its release, but the completely threadbare report was deemed such a high priority that it went out anyway.
Now, what could have triggered that? Anyone know of events occurring just after April 7, 2009, that such an assessment could have painted as radical, extremist, and threats to national security? Hmmm.
The Wall Street Journal reports that the FBI has tracked a few veterans for extremist activity, but because they joined extremist groups, not because they’re veterans:
Michael Ward, FBI deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, said in an interview Thursday that the portion of the operation focusing on the military related only to veterans who draw the attention of Defense Department officials for joining white-supremacist or other extremist groups.
“We’re not doing an investigation into the military, we’re not looking at former military members,” he said. “It would have to be something they were concerned about, or someone they’re concerned is involved” with extremist groups.
That’s the way it’s supposed to work — and that’s the way it did work in the Bush administration, whose assessment of left-wing extremists focused on groups with histories of violent actions and on actual data showing threats.
Update: Via Michelle, Senators Coburn, Brownback, DeMint, Burr, Murkowski, Inhofe, and Vitter sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Napolitano yesterday concerning the DHS report:
April 16, 2009
The Honorable Janet Napolitano
Secretary
The Department of Homeland Security
310 7th street, S.W.
Washington, DC 20528-0150
VIA FASCMILLE
Dear Secretary Napolitano,
We write today concerning the release of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, of the Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division.
While we agree that we must fight extremists who are both foreign and domestic we are troubled by some of the statements your department included as fact in the report titled above, without listing any statistical data to back up such claims.
First, your report states that “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists…” without listing any data to support such a vile claim against our nation’s veterans.
Second, the report states that the millions of Americans who believe in the Second Amendment are a potential threat to our national security. Why? Do you have statistics to prove that law-abiding Americans who purchase a legal product are being recruited by so-called hate groups?
Thirdly, the report states that those that believe in issues such as pro-life legislation, limited government, and legal versus illegal immigration are potential terrorist threats. We can assure you that these beliefs are held by citizens of all races, party affiliation, male and female, and should not be listed as a factor in determining potential terror threats. A better word usage would be to describe them as practicing their First Amendment rights.
Also, you list those that bemoan the decline of U.S. stature and the loss of U.S. manufacturing capability to China and India as being potential rightwing extremists. We would suggest that the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs in the manufacturing industry to foreign countries are not potential terror threats, but rather honest Americans worried about feeding their families and earning a paycheck.
In closing, we support the mission of DHS in protecting our country from terror attacks and are proud of the many DHS employees who make this possible in conjunction with our state and local law enforcement. We ask that DHS not use this report as a basis to unfairly target millions of Americans because of their beliefs and the rights afforded to them in the Constitution. We also ask that you provide us with the data that support the unfair claims listed in the report titled above and to present us with the matrix system used in collecting and analyzing this data?
Finally, we look forward to your prompt reply and we offer our assistance to DHS in our shared effort to fight terrorism both home and abroad by using data that is accurate and independent of political persuasion.
Blowback
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lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Thank you.
Are there any other rebuttals or did I just rule this blog?
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Okay friends take out some more of the Thalo Blue. That’s it, a little gesso and plain white. Uh-huh, now mix it with your palette knife. It’s a beautiful shade for sky isn’t it. And it can be any color in your world. Does it make you happy when you see it on the canvas? Good. Now I think there might be a little cabin that lives right about here. You can have a cabin if you want in your world. People write into me and say quit putting in all the damn cabins, but it’s my world.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
You shouldn’t talk about it Tom, you have already mastered the art.
1) The FBI report detailed actual instances of known hate groups targeting the ex-military for recruitment.
2) The DHS report declared that ex-military people are ripe for recruitment by un-named hate groups.
That you refuse to see the difference between the two reports says more about you, than it does about the people who wrote either report.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Getaclue is just a robot.
Obama says something. Getaclue says “yes master” and defends the stupidest shit day in and day out. A rational human could not possibly argue that this report is remotely similar to the left-wing report – which, you know, had specifics in it – and that it wasn’t put out the day before the tea parties as a veiled threat against them.
So, getaclue has to take it seriously. And defend something that the Obama administration’s own civil rights division thinks is biased.
lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Are there any other rebuttals or did I
just rule this blog?just get my ass handed to me?getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM
FIFY
catmman on April 17, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Threadforlife, you keep skipping over my posts.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM
+1
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
You are losing it .
Let me ask you a question.
Did you have a problem with the DHS left wing extremists report too or is this just a blind partisan issue?
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM
I’ve heard that theory many times in the last few days including from a State Trooper and Army Vet who described himself as being, “enraged” by this, “report.”
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Don’t change the subject, GAL, why don’t you admit that you were wrong about what you asked me and admit it?
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Answer the question.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
I’m thinking getalife is a Muslim plant, way too stupid for your average leftard.
BL@KBIRD on April 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
You’d be surprised how typical getaclue is, actually.
lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Obama has trollbots?! Lord help us! That does explain all the completely inane posts and funky syntax and formatting! I should have known!
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
INTENT
Hit target; take down opposition.
Obama FEIGNS concern for veterans with fake demonstrations to improve their pay, their hospitals, etc. All the while, Obama deconstructs all secure measures in place for our military and our veterans while subverting their entire existence while IN the service, endorsing unjust prejudice to also inhibit enlistment.
Yesterday, Hannity interviewed a Criminal Justice college student who avidly supports Marxism, is a self proclaimed Marxist who publicly endorsed the precepts of Marx vs. the US Constitution. What good is an oath of office to uphold and enforce the rule of law and protect the Constitution of the United States when taken by people who admit their sole purpose is the deconstruction of our Constitution?
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
BL@KBIRD on April 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Grow up.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Address this answer and then I’ll answer your question and not until.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I don’t think his mom wants to anymore.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
IMO, I don’t agree.
This particular troll is someone who is starved for attention in real life, thus all they really want is attention and reaction to what they say.
All the better for the troll if s/he can make us “dance” to her tune.
Go back again and look at his/her first two comments. Notice who s/he had to repost the comment with more inflammatory language because no one responded to the first post.
This is not a person who is the least bit interested in having a discussion.
In fact, they may not even believe what they’re writing.
They’re looking for attention and seeking control.
By responding to the troll, we are giving him/her exactly what they want.
Notice how this thread isn’t about the DHS and their report.
It’s now about the troll and whether or not they have “won” this argument (this statement in and of itself is also a classic troll move because it causes people to respond to it).
Look, if you’re trying to show this troll the “error” of his/her ways, give up because you are not only fighting the wrong battle, but you are giving the troll exactly what s/he wants.
If you want this troll to go away, simply stop responding to him/her.
It will take a couple of days and his/her posts will get increasingly vulgar and inflammatory (throwing all kinds of hooks into the water to see what s/he can catch)…
…but if you deny him/her what s/he wants (attention and control), s/he’ll disappear.
Religious_Zealot on April 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I’ve reached the uncomfortable conclusion that getalife’s record here suggests he’s qualified for a cabinet post in this administration. Afterall, he’s frequently addressed the difficult issues of our day and is often quoted. Presumably he can read and teleprompter schools are opening in droves. Qualified!
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I also said “about” and never said to “fight” against them.
Now answer my question.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM
You’re right, but I’m sticking with the Cheetah phenomena.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM
At least this administration is being consistent about making public those things which should be kept close to the chest.
unclesmrgol on April 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Not until we know he’s broken a law of some sort like tax evasion or taking kickbacks.
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Which grade are you in?
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Thank you.
It would be an honor to serve my country in the Obama administration.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Little Weatherman getalife speaketh.
unclesmrgol on April 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM
How cute. The walk back is in full swing.
lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Posting evidence that your source is wrong is now attacking the source?
Man, you never did manage to pass formal logic, did you.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I missed that one.
What’s the “Cheetah phenomena”?
Religious_Zealot on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Based on the evidence thus far, getalife fails the Turing Test. Now we know where all of that “science” funding of Obam…uhhh…’s is going.
Master Shake on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Isn’t that exactly what you think you’re doing here, right now trollbot?
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Let me take that back, getalife is typical of the level of intelligence of the left, perhaps even a poster child and equally as intelligent as your average Muslim in Pakistan too.
BL@KBIRD on April 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Answer my question or are you a pure partisan hack?
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Two points;
1) I hoped and I prayed that our young vets wouldn’t have to go through what us Vietnam vets had to endure. I’m seeing too much of the same kind of slanderous comments about them.
2) Not every Democrat is anti-military, but it seems like everybody that is anti-military, is a Democrat; John Kerry, Barack Obama (“Air raiding villages and killing civilians”), John Murtha, Bill Mahr. The list goes on and on.
Star20 on April 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM
That wasn’t the question you asked ME and you said you owned ME so you’re a loser tool who has nothing better to do.
I’m not sure if I’m legally obligated to answer your question now that it’s been proved that I so thoroughly stuffed your ass during the lay-up. I’m going to have to think about it.
Give me a minute.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM
I should have added that getalife’s nom de guerre is an object lesson in projection, something this administration has honed to a fine art.
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
From the mouth of babes.
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Yes, getaclue, you are.
lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM
If nothing else, you are amusing.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Morons are language NEWSPEAK parasites. Projecting Obama’s leadership to be classified as “adult” requires the word’s translation be limited to the equivalent of “sexually active.” As regarding “Obama-adult” usage, that definition is most applicable to juveniles riddled with STDs, indiscriminate pregnancies and drug abuse. These inbred anarchy brats broke their own brains, and now demand “THEIR right” to break yours on the way to breaking the nation.
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM
stick with “nothing”
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM
This entire episode looks and smells like a base on which to build a larger case for doing something, probably along the lines of severe gun control or “managing” things like the tea parties.
Bishop on April 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM
It’s kind of fun watching it trying to play “Alinsky”.
sherry on April 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM
While I was thinking about answering your question, this came up…
How are you going to do that? Snitch on the old Republicans at the assisted living facility for taking extra portions of cake?
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM
I wanted to keep it at your level so you would be able to understand it.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Calm down, it will be OK.
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
“As you wish.”
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Google away.
Get informed.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
The answers would come more easily with a waterboard. Keep it up, you’ll get your chance.
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Here is the deal.
Yes, there will be domestic terrorism.
Yes, there job is to try to stop it.
Yes, grown ups are in charge.
It will be okay cons.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Do you have ROTC at your school?
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I think we’re all done looking at the car crash. Cover the body…..move along everyone….nothing to see here…
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
getaclue,
We have told you over and over again about the many and substantial differences between the report.
If the “rightwing” report had been written in the same style and with the same level of evidence that the “leftwing” report had been written, then nobody here, or anywhere else would have had any problem with it.
You are aware that everyone here recognizes the “try to change the subject” tactic as evidence that even you know you have lost the previous argument.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
You’ve lost it, and you’ve lost this argument. Badly. Go try again on another thread.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I think getalife is just Obam…uhhh… giving us a preview of the torture techniques that will be used in the “Happy Fun Time Right-wing Extremist Re-education Through Labor” camps.
Master Shake on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Okay GAL, I’ve thought about it and I find no comfort in the fact that there was a Left Wing Extremist Group memo issued by the DHS. For one, that memo was not inclusive of all of the lefty whack jobs out there that I know about. But they were very specific to name actual groups and offenses they’ve committed. The RW Warning by DHS talks about phantom groups and possibilities of occurrences. I think Bishops comment above is right on. They’ll using it as a pretext for something else up their sleeve.
Like say, an excuse to monitor the behavior of political enemies or 2nd Amendment Infringement.
You know they’re already using FISA against US citizens more than Bush ever thought of, right?
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Serve my country = serve himself, so he’d be the one depriving the old folks of their cake, as only HE may have it and eat it, too. Stealing = “spread the wealth.”
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Spot on,but playing with the troll tends to be fun. Its like intelligent cats batting around a few ignorant mice(trolls),just for the entertainment value alone. We wont convince them, but it sure is a revealing study into the lefty mindset. Know the opposition. Plan your move. The problem with hotair trolls is they are predictable. The hotair group of commentors far outweigh the trolls intelligence quota(or lack thereof) and it shows. Its comedy gold and a fine reference that is proven everyday when Mr.Morrissey or AP posts news about how this administration is flailing and floundering.
canditaylor68 on April 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM
This is enjoyable. Normally we try to argue with reason and getalife responds with canned one-liners. When we act childish like her she doesn’t know what to do.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM
CHEEEETAH Power!
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM
getabrain ignores anything that disproves its premise – which has been done numerous times here. So why bother, really? I figure the program has to run out of canned responses at some point.
lorien1973 on April 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Fire Janet. Period.
PersonalLiberty on April 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
She’s gone almost 7 minute without posting. She knows she got her ass kicked and can’t handle it.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM
“Middle School” tags her reading comprehension:
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
You are trying to be logical with the illogical.
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
pssst, (whispers) cheeetah power
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
I was thinking of the pointy headed cylon with all the flashing lights, that served Baltar in the original BattleStar Galactica series.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Knock it off, she doesn’t care, she only wants a response, what you say doesn’t matter.
Notice when no one answers she gets agitated and posts even more…ignore her. She only wants to hijack the thread.
See ya, until you learn to ignore these trolls, you just allow them to dictate the conversation…you end up being more of a troll then her. Pathetic…
right2bright on April 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Do trollbots go to the bathroom?
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I prefer cougars.
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM
We lost power in our building here, so I missed about a half page of comments. Is that a reference to the Cheetah Girls “Just be srong, don’t give up, don’t let other people tell you that you suck”?
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM
12:30 and Hannah Montana comes on and getajob goes missing…..coincidence?
moxie_neanderthal on April 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Ah, an intellectual grown up argument. Good for you.
I think they left it vague so if there is an attack (like the FBI building bombing) they would not miss it by listing the groups and covering their asses.
Your second point is tin foil hat territory and the FISA stolen freedom is a disgrace for those who fought and died for our freedom.
Stolen freedom is a bipartisan outrage.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM
after the butt whipping,it had to go and get a grip on itself.
oldernwiser on April 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM
I think this thread is acting as a sort of discovery for how to deal with posters like getalife. Defeat their argument like normal. Then, when they continue to post canned one liners with complete disregard for the facts, just pound the fact that they’re a loser right in their face. Repeatedly. It completely neutralized the advantage she’s had in other threads.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Note well, “language flagged.” Given a different choice of words to state the same prejudiced anti-conservative sentiment, the Homeland Security Department’s Civil Liberty Officials (specify their names) would have no contention with the Report.
maverick muse on April 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Wow, an actual argument. If you could do that more often we wouldn’t completely disregard anything you have to say. And isn’t your goal to actually change some opinions on subjects?
You still got your ass kicked in this thread, though.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
You are biased towards the other hawk.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM
So the teacher left the room again?
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Well we do have the same profession.
Just be civil and knock it off with the repetitive one liners and the arguments could be a lot more fun. It’s good to have your views challenged from time to time, and you could actually be a worthwhile part of the HotAir community, if you wanted to be.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Here is the problem (IMHO):
When the DHS wrote up “left-wing” extremists, they listed specific groups with specific agendas.
However, when the DHS wrote up “right-wing” extremists, they listed general agendas and beliefs.
So, what the DHS is saying is that when it comes to liberal beliefs, the beliefs are fine but there are some groups that take it too far.
However, when it comes to conservative beliefs, the beliefs THEMSELVES are wrong and hateful.
To give a specific example, it’s OK to believe that animals should be treated better than humans, but you can’t firebomb animal testing centers (ALF).
However, it’s NOT OK to believe in a limited federal government.
This difference between specific groups and general ideas is the biggest problem here.
Religious_Zealot on April 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Beats an echo chamber huh?
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Isn’t that what their posts are, their excrement?
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
This is yet another classic case of: What if Bush did it?
I’m glad to see some negative reactions from Democrats and the MSM, and some back-peddling by Napolitano, but it’s not enough.
I haven’t read anywhere what specific language was “flagged” and why it was flagged by DHS civil liberties officials.
Loxodonta on April 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I wonder if perhaps it wold be a good idea for some state and local police agencies to conduct investigations into the possibility of FBI and DHS employees and agents being recruited into groups that pose risks to society. Why would anyone just assume that the high level of training some of those folks receive could not be just as useful to domestic terrorist groups as military veterans?
MikeA on April 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM
LOL… was gettin his A$$ kicked with his regular tactics…. left and went to get his boss?
Notice the total change in writing style?
Romeo13 on April 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Judge Nap can help a bit since DHS won’t comment and won’t release the entire report:
JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO: Six Things You Should Know About the Homeland Security Report on ‘Rightwing Extremism’
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
We should not be so hard on the socialist dems. After all, the government did attack a socialist group at Waco.
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
GAL, I started with an “adult” argument, blew you octogenarian ass out of the water with you prancing around the thread like a child saying you owned me.
You think? Opinion? You don’t know? Nice “adult” argument! I think they were vague because there isn’t much to justify their pitiful report.
FISA was used by the Bush Administration to spy on the terrorists. If there were instances of otherwise, obama would have plastered it all over already. The only thing we do know for a fact, is your boy just got his pee-pee smacked for doing what you all said Bush was doing. ANd as a patriot, I say look at anything I’m doing if it helps fight the war on terror. My life is an open book. Minus the trumped up fears of a misguided Director of HS.
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
getalife, I’m surprised to see you posting here today after what happened to your boyfriend
DarkCurrent on April 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Trollbot ver 2.02a
LOL!
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM
You haven’t been posting here very long, but HotAir has never been an echo chamber. There used to be several hundred comment long threads on a wide range of issues that never got into petty attacks. Ed, despite being an avowed conservative, defends President Obama on a fairly regular basis on some of the more ridiculous things that float around the web. Allahpundit is never afraid to take a shot at Palin, Beck or any other high profile figure on the right. He just called Gov. Perry’s statements ‘awful’.
I posted at dkos for over 2 years and I never once saw kos or one of the other headline bloggers go after a high ranking member of their own party. That’s an echo chamber, not this. And I think you know it, too.
BadgerHawk on April 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Here are email addresses for the patriots at DHS who wrote the report about rightwing extremists in the military (and selected Christians and other disgruntled): Please email them and report any suspicious activity or the whereabouts of any extremists you may suspect. These organizations asked for feedback and we should be giving it to them:
NOC.Fusion@dhs.gov or
NICC@DHS.gov or
IA.PM@hq.dhs.gov or
IA.PM@dhs.ic.gov
kens on April 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM
And just how did you know that Hannah Montana comes on at 12:30?
MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM
hawkdriver on April 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Bush –> Bin Laden
Obama –> Rush Limbaugh
Bush DHS –> Radical Islamic Terrorists
Obama DHS –> American Conservatives
TheBigOldDog on April 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM
He posted evidence to back up his argument?
Yeah, easily refuted “evidence” as it were.
He posts that the military receives training about right wing extremeist, gets called on it, then has to parse his original post with some lefty pretzel garbage.
catmman on April 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM
You attacked the source and started the childish insults. I won.
The purpose of a blog is to give an opinion silly.
I do not subscribe to stealing freedom in the name of security. I think that is spitting on the graves of those that fought and died for our freedom.
getalife on April 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM
I think you nailed it.
baldilocks on April 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
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