Video: John Ziegler’s arrest

posted at 3:10 pm on April 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

From the Someone Left the Irony On Department, John Ziegler gets arrested by security guards outside USC’s Annenberg School of Journalism for committing … er … journalism. He wanted to ask people attending their ceremony honoring Katie Couric with their Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism about the award, and the Annenberg School of Journalism apparently objected to … er … journalism. Watch the whole video, as John provides a good running commentary:

Link: Ziegler Arrest

When will Reporters Without Borders lodge a protest against the Annenberg School of Journalism for having journalists arrested? Would Walter Cronkite have approved of police locking up reporters for merely covering an event and walking on property that is very obviously open to the public in doing so?

The Annenberg School of Journalism … teaching journalists how to stonewall and intimidate … journalists.

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This will be told and retold among real professionals, and believe me, it’s Couric who will end up being the laughing stock of her profession.

Thanks for story. Just entirely too much fun here the past two days.

AnninCA on April 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM

thomasaur on April 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I stand…. er sit… corrected…

Romeo13 on April 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM

USC is a private school–not to be confused with the public University of California system.

Christien on April 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Blake, a university as all the right they need to ask a person to leave its premises. In this, they would have been much better off to leave him along (you’re right there) and they knew it too. Which is why we get the “handcuff scene.” If they’d been totally in the right – and handled it correctly – they could have placed him under arrest (if USC’s campus police can – don’t know). Then moved him along.

If they had asked him – and he had not complied – he would have been breaking a law. Granted, a law the offender will not see a courtroom for, but a law nonetheless. They’d have had to make him a person non gratis later.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM

The public has access to the university campus all the time. If he had not been asking people questions and filming, no one would have said boo. Since he was not harassing anyone or being a nuisance by asking people questions and filming (which happens 24/7 because USC is the big film school), there was no reason to arrest him in that he was no different than probably the thousand other members of the public that were on campus at the exact same time.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Should’ve just found a sympathetic USC student to sign him into campus as a guest.

malclave on April 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

USC Journalism school must not be in a “free speech” zone that colleges seem so fond of.

rihar on April 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Should’ve just found a sympathetic USC student to sign him into campus as a guest.

malclave on April 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

That would have been a great idea. Or simply found out where the parking garage is and filmed the talking to the guests from a public sidewalk.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Has that ever happened to Michael Moore?
Where were the journalists who-by professional fraternity-should have come running to his defense and said, “wait, there is reason for freedom of the press, and while he might legally be trespassing….that reason is being ignored”

One thing is certain…that award means even less now than it did before.

scottm on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Much has to do with his behavior before the tape begins. If he in fact was harassing people coming to a campus event in a manner unreasonable, then I think he got what he had coming but still proves his point.

If on the other hand he was politely and calmly asking questions, then regardless of the technicalities of the law, the video is damning: Annenberg School of Journalism threatens journalist peacefully asking questions with arrest for asking questions.

Of course we all know, or should know, that he had been from al Jazeera or praising Couric none of this would have happened. Which is, I believe, the real point of the whole exercise. Good job John Ziegler and camera crew!

DaMav on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM


What were they supposed to do. They asked him to leave. He refused. Were they just supposed to keep asking? Or just give up and let him stay?

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Just who do you think you are fooling in here, you red diaper wearing, Obama loving lying lefty fascist?

Every member of HotAir knows damn well that if Ziegler were a lefty and pulled something like this at a private conservative institution, you would be in here singing they guy’s praises ad nauseam.

Dave R. on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM

USC is a public institution that accepts funding from the federal government, is it not? So this is not “private property”. The fascists are in charge, folks. This is only the beginning. Had that been Olberdouche, nothing would have happened.

Jarhead68 on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I worked as a prosecutor for 12 years and handled the UCLA cases. Go lecture someone else.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Romeo13 on April 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM

I’m not taking the side of the CP other than to point out that they were within their legal rights to detain him until real law enforcement arrived. This a situation that I have had to deal with at private institutions before. The CP were doing what the douchebags standing on the steps told them to do. They don’t have to like what they are doing but as long as the school is their employer they have to do what their job description calls for.

thomasaur on April 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Has that ever happened to Michael Moore?

Moore was arrested at the end of Roger & Me (or at least escorted off the premises of GM). I don’t recall anyone claiming journalism had been attacked that day.

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I agree with John. He was doing nothing wrong. He was on the sidewalk, that was empty, asking a few questions. Take for a moment that this wasn’t as ironic…being in front of the Journalism School, but somewhere else on campus. Shouldn’t it bother you leftists that in a place where we should question everything, someone is handcuffed and mistreated by the campus wanta be police for asking questions in a polite manner?
If John busted in the building and was disruptive and antagonistic to the people inside, as code pink and others have done, then he should be arrested.

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM

You don’t know what he was doing because they didn’t show what he was doing in the video.

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM

It was the whole arrest thing that they messed up on. John should have been informed, politely and forcefully perhaps – just what was required of him or an arrest would be made. Then if he did not comply. He is arrested.

If he were being so dang disruptive, why wasn’t the camera gone after – until later. (Probably because those involved were better practiced bullying rather than enforcing.) At any rate, I think John would have been better off not forcing the issue. That is where I fault him. The rest is purely USC’s blame.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I weep for the constitution I spent a quarter century defending. The American public MUST wake up to the state of affairs they have permitted our “elected representatives” to create. In America today, the congress and administration rule the people. We are told how much of our own salary we can keep, what kind of products we are allowed to purchase (think tobacco, alcohol, firearms), and now what kind of cars we can PRODUCE. The only possible solutioin is a de-facto term lilmitation enforced by an outraged public. No one gets re-elected to anything at any level for any reason whatsoever.

Longhorn Six on April 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM

They don’t have to like what they are doing but as long as the school is their employer they have to do what their job description calls for.

thomasaur on April 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM

No, they don’t. They are law enforcement officers first and foremost.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Journalism is no longer a business or profession; it is an ideology diametrically opposed to truth, morality, and free enterprise with a sycophantic agenda.

It is well understood that you write and speak on behalf of the state or you disappear.

Professionals and organizations that relate facts employing the 5 w’s should abandon the “Journalist” stigma for some class descriptor that is more accurate.

ericdijon on April 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Maybe this was just the making of the sequel to Paul Blart: Mall Cop?

faraway on April 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM

There are some really frightened liberals and leftists in this country. Things are bad in this country when the press is arrested for asking questions.

rplat on April 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM

The prosecutors may ask him to come in for an informal hearing, but only because they would like to meet him. lol! But, more likely, they will just not file any charges at all.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Blake sorry I did not get your legal credentials until after my last post.

I was not lecturing – I’m trying to figure this out. I did not realize that a camera crew can wander unimpeded anywhere they choose to go in a California university setting. Classrooms, the president’s office? There are no secrets?

The university must first make a person non gratis order before removing a trespasser? How on earth does the person get stopped from trespassing the first time then?

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Isn’t USC taxpayer funded? If so, it’s not private property.

USC gets some of its research grants from the government, but that’s hardly the same as being public property. That’s like saying because I got a tax rebate check and I have to obey state laws, my property isn’t private property. Government grants may come with some inane strings attached, but I’m pretty sure losing the right to eject unwelcome guests isn’t one of them.

In fact, those inane strings should concern us more than Ziegler’s temporary detention. Just yesterday I learned that a private university had to buy airline tickets to conferences from an American-owned airline whenever possible, even when another one was cheaper. That’s a hidden protectionist subsidy that isn’t explicitly put into any budget cost increase. I knew when I heard Obama talking about needing to make sure batteries were manufactured in America that soon we’d see creeping protectionism.

calbear on April 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Anyway, didn’t Katie show us her best side a few years ago? Or was this somehow a message or omen we just didn’t realize?

ericdijon on April 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I have seen his work, he is not code pink in his tactics. He is honest and soft spoken who asks hard questions, you know…what journalists are suppose to do. If he was a trouble maker, it wouldn’t of been hard for someone at the Journalism school to capture his lack of professionalism and ruined him forever. Again, in a place where we should question everything, a citizen is handcuffed and asked to leave.

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM

calbear on April 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

The sidewalks are open to the public, he was on the sidewalk. In a place of higher learning where we are suppose to challenge the debate opinions and ideas, a man is thrown into handcuffs for daring to ask a few questions.

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM

—– Original Message —–
From: Tim Zank
To: genevao@usc.edu
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: Reporter arrested

Does it not strike you as somewhat ironic that a journalist was arrested for being a journalist at your school of journalism?

I would think that contrary to your schools mission, no?

Tim Zank

Copy of the e-mail I sent to the Dean..her address is at the top…send her a note!!

Tim Zank on April 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM

There are some really frightened liberals and leftists in this country. Things are bad in this country when the press is arrested for asking questions.

rplat on April 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the orders to detain the guy came directly from Tzar Obama.

Based on what we see on the video, this looks like an overreaction by campus security. However, it is awfully interesting that they didnt show what was going on prior to security coming over.

orange on April 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM

If he’d been parading down those sidewalks with a Zionists=Nazis sign and a bull horn shouting, “Death to America,” no one would have cared.

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Maybe Reverend Jeremiah Wright hit it dead on after all, this is the U.S.S.A……. Welcome to Fascist America….

DL13 on April 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I stand…. er sit… corrected…

Romeo13 on April 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Don’t stand too corrected. They are a private university, but they live on public funds, as is true with just about every university. Given the rules that were set with the bailout cash, the universities qualify even more as institutions that take public funds. That’s one of the big reasons why they’re all so expensive and infested with leftists.

progressoverpeace on April 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

orange on April 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM

They don’t need to, as I explained in my post above on 4:31

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM

SMILE JOHN You are now on the official enemies list

Kuffar on April 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Why is it so hard to just obey law enforcement? He’s worse than most of the drunk kids they probably encounter.

xander569 on April 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM

This post is absolutely right (all of it not just the last sentence, I left).

And all you leftard trolls can piss off.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The video was posted (OT) on another thread and I watched it then. I’ve read all the comments and what no-one has picked up on yet is that the security people started using force only when ordered to by the big guy in the black suit who carefully keeps his back to the camera. You can hear him tell them to handcuff Ziegler.

It’s too bad Ziegler didn’t include the few minutes before the start of this video but I hope he has the footage. He may be able to get a lot more mileage out of this than just assault charges.

gh on April 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

USC gets some of its research grants from the government, but that’s hardly the same as being public property.

calbear on April 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

It’s far more than that. Think about student loans and grants, tax abatements, etc. You can tell how much government funding is involved with universities by the rate of increase in tuition and associated costs.

progressoverpeace on April 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Do any of the trolls here (Drywall, Drywall, Bueller…?)actually believe that if Michael Boore had been standing there with his mike (without permission? or credentials! gasp!) and was asking the type of sycophantic questions that make Katie look good that anyone would have asked him to leave?
It was a clear case of speech oppression. period.

don’t give me this nitpicking private property crap.. it’s a GD UNiversity!

max1 on April 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Camera crew? How many people? Are they wandering? I believe they are standing outside the School of Journalism Bldg, not entering classrooms and the president’s office, etc. Now you are wasting my time by making up stuff.

There are so many trespass codes on the books because penal code and LA Municipal Code, I lost count. This is because they always have loopholes or get struck down as unconstitutional. Thank the ACLU who believe the mentally ill and homeless have the right to live and piss and shit all over the streets while jacking you up for money.

Many trespass statutes have notice requirements, others do not. Entering into a bldg after hours or into someones office would not require notice because it’s more of an interupted burglary.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

If he’d been parading down those sidewalks with a Zionists=Nazis sign and a bull horn shouting, “Death to America,” no one would have cared.

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Of course they’d care. They’d be applauding him.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM

xander569 on April 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Yep, that Martin Luther King Jr, what was he thinking challenging law enforcement?

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM

If he’d been parading down those sidewalks with a Zionists=Nazis sign and a bull horn shouting, “Death to America,” no one would have cared.

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM

You are most likely right.

I still don’t particularly care for his actions either. I kept thinking that if he were a liberal at a conservative event – would I feel differently?

Nope, I would have thought he needed to obey the policeman. File a suit and cry “Opression” later, but do what you are asked to do.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Where do you think this stuff comes from……….?

When Al Gore begins teaching journalism, it’s all off the record

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM

from USC Annenberg:

—– Original Message —–
From: Geneva Overholser
To: Tim Zank
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Reporter arrested

Yes. I don’t agree with the actions by the university’s security people, and the journalism school had nothing to do with it.

I’ll give her credit, she responded with in 5 minutes and appears to see the irony!!

Tim Zank on April 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Camera crew? How many people? Are they wandering? I believe they are standing outside the School of Journalism Bldg, not entering classrooms and the president’s office, etc. Now you are wasting my time by making up stuff.

No, I was asking hypotheticals – my mistake for going too far afield and not far enough to not be confusing. I was asking you because you said you know the law, and I am honestly trying to understand this situation. I watched the video and I honestly want to back John a hundred percent, but I think he was wrong.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

This would never happen to Katie Couric and her lefty colleagues in the MSM.

They don’t bother to ask questions, they tell us what the news is.

They learned this commie technique from classes taught at universities like USC’s School of Journalism.

fogw on April 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Tim Zank on April 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I don’t believe her. The campus police were directed by an individual there next to John. They were under orders.

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

xander569 on April 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Yep, that Martin Luther King Jr, what was he thinking challenging law enforcement?

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Actually, Dr. King was battling an injustice, and frankly paid the penalty (arrest) gladly to show that it was indeed an injustice. Was John truly committing an act of civil disobedience for a higher cause? Honestly, as much as I like him and admire what he is doing – and I do – I don’t quite buy that analogy.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Moreover, I think that right at the beginning of the video Ziegler says something about it being Couric’s decision although he’s probably repeating what the man in black told him.

gh on April 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM

The University is a private institution, but he was on the sidewalk, which is open to the public. He was asking questions, politely and with a smile…he wasn’t blocking traffic, he wasn’t in people’s faces, he wasn’t being disruptive. He only became loud when he was being handcuffed and they were hurting him. This isn’t as squishy with me as with you, John was right…the over zealous community organizers who requested the campus police to show up and to handcuff him were wrong, and its sad and ironic as to where it all took place.

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM

So far, there has been no California case law posted here that supports USC security guards or Ziegler.

However, even if USC was within its rights to handcuff and march Ziegler off campus, it was stupid to do so.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I still don’t particularly care for his actions either. I kept thinking that if he were a liberal at a conservative event – would I feel differently?

I would support a liberal reporters right to stand on the sidewalk outside a conservative event with the purpose of asking questions.

If he were no more disruptive than Ziegler I would see no need to arrest him.

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I remember when journalism was about getting a story and not worrying about press credentials and kowtowing. I thought “newspeople” got credentials and journalist got stories. “Yes, can I do an expose on your extramarital affairs and money laundering? I need press credentials? But, I don’t have any…” Give me a break.

kagai on April 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM

University Of Southern California
Department of Public Safety
Media Log

Summary: TRESPASS Trespassing Mar 21, 2008-Friday at 14:07 08-03-21-0293930800844 Location : HENRY SALVATORI COMPUTER SCIENCE CENTER DPS officers responded to a report of a suspect entering a room inside the location and located him in an adjacent building. The officers detained the suspect for investigation and recognized him as having previously been advised against trespassing on University property. LAPD officers were then requested and responded to arrest the suspect. Disp: Cleared

Summary : THEFT-PETTY Plain-Attempt Mar 23, 2008-Sunday at 14:22 08-03-23-0300790800850 Location : TROJAN RESIDENCE HALLDPS officers responded to a report of two suspects attempting to remove a bicycle from a rack outside the location and detained them for investigation. The officers found one of the suspects in possession of a knife and determined that both of them had previously been advised against trespassing on University property. LAPD officers were then requested and responded to arrest the suspects. Disp: Cleared

Summary :Page No.Print Date and Time18:37:24AM3/24/2008
Media Log University Of Southern California Department of Public Safety TRESPASS Trespassing Mar 23, 2008-Sunday at 22:33 08-03-23-0302030800852 Location : MAY OR MEROD HARRIS HALL QUINN WING & FISHER GALLER DPS officers on routine patrol observed an unsecured bicycle standing in a walkway outside the location and when they stopped to investigate they observed a suspect exit the building. The officers detained the suspect for investigation and determined that he had previously been arrested for burglary and was on parole. LAPD officers were then requested and responded to arrest the suspect. Disp: Cleared

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM

In most jurisdictions, on private property, you verbally trespass the person, and order him to leave.

If he doesn’t leave, he is committing trespass. Further options at that point vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I still don’t particularly care for his actions either. I kept thinking that if he were a liberal at a conservative event – would I feel differently?

I would support a liberal reporters right to stand on the sidewalk outside a conservative event with the purpose of asking questions.

If he were no more disruptive than Ziegler I would see no need to arrest him.

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Nor would I – but once he had been asked by a duly-appointed legal representative to leave? What then? Personally, I have to go with he needs to move along.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Thanks for posting those. But all of them are for trespassing within buildings. I have no doubt USC has that right. I wonder whether their privacy rights are limited, under California law, by their choice to open the campus walkways to the public. Ziegler was on a sidewalk.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

What day did this happen?

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

kybowexar: Not just that … he needed to respect private property. When a rep of the University trespassed him, he needed to stop arguing and move to public property.

When some lef’tard does this crap, get trespassed, refuses to move, and gets tazered, we laugh at him.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Where’s the outrage from the ACLU?

nazo311 on April 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Loxodonta: CA may have some perverse statute or judgment in effect … but the very definition of owning property includes the right to exclude others at will.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM

DISSENT MUST BE CRUSHED! THERE IS ONLY THE PARTY.

CP on April 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM

When some lef’tard does this crap, get trespassed, refuses to move, and gets tazered, we laugh at him.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM

That is what kept going through my mind as I watched him. I just hate that I have to disagree with him – and sound like I agree with someone like Tom_Shipley. Not pleasant.

kybowexar on April 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

That’s right. They had prior warnings, were up to no good, and had parole/probation restrictions — not some chickenshit stuff like asking questions. They probably gave him a ticket with section 602 on it which is the generic trespass section but rarely applies. It is the prosecutor who would determine if a crime was committed, which crime, and whether filing it would be in the interest of justice.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM

If Ziegler was standing out there yelling, Katie show me your tits! I’d say bust him. But, this stuff? Nah.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM

USC a journalist asking questions on a public sidewalk gets hassled and arrested.

UNC Tom Tancredo invited to speak on campus gets shouted down threatened and windows smashed and no-one gets arrested.

We must take our country back. Tea Parties to start! Pitchforks and torches to end? TERM LIMITS

dhunter on April 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Loxodonta: CA may have some perverse statute or judgment in effect … but the very definition of owning property includes the right to exclude others at will.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM

But, does not often include the right to have people arrested. Keeping the homeless off your property is a big problem. Keeping the gainfully employed off your property should not be any easier.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM

And in all cases the LAPD were called to remove

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

You don’t know what he was doing because they didn’t show what he was doing in the video.

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Excuse me, sir … Mr. Shipley? I know that you’re the authority here and all. And I know you will set me straight if I’m wrong. (Thank you in advance for that.)

But, in watching the video, it seems we’re told specifically what it is he was doing wrong: he was standing in the wrong place. In fact, he was standing 7 feet outside the area set aside for journalists. That’s after they said he was not a journalist. They then apparently decided that he was because how could they handcuff and detain him for standing outside that special, unmarked journalist area if he wasn’t?

That “who is and who isn’t” a journalist is a tricky question isn’t it? I suppose it depends on your opinion of what’s being journaled by the journalist.

Because you’re the expert, USC should probably check with you first, next time, don’t you think?

Rod on April 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

When some lef’tard does this crap, get trespassed, refuses to move, and gets tazered, we laugh at him.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM

No comparison. In the Florida case, the guy was disrupting the lecture and refused to shut up so others could hear it.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Loxodonta: CA may have some perverse statute or judgment in effect … but the very definition of owning property includes the right to exclude others at will.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM

In nearly all cases, I agree. For example, people can be tossed out of shopping malls which encourage the public to gather in food courts, etc. However, private college campuses sometimes mix of public and private space in unusual ways, as USC seems to do. State and local law may take precedence regarding a “quasi-public facility.” Just wondering if anyone knows.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Problem here is that Uni cops are caught somewhere between being cops and being private bouncers.

If someone makes an ass of himself on private property, and gets trespassed, a paid bouncer can usually eject the idiot. The police may or may not arrest said idiot, depending on circumstances.

The Uni cops would probably have gotten fired for not bouncing this guy …

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM

The way I see it, he was just taking a play from the left’s playbook and using it against them for a change. How many videos have a watched over the years of leftists’ illegally entering private property, creating a scene and being forcefully evicted from the premises. Naturally, all we saw was the forceful eviction. Ziegler is fighting fire with fire.

It’s so sad that our society has come to this though, but maybe if we start holding a mirror up to the left to demonstrate how their behaviour looks to us, well, hopefully, these petty and mean games will stop.

I applaude Ziegler only because he’s changed the rules – If you always do what you always did, you’ll always get what you always got. When the left will do or say anything and I see that voters don’t hold them accountable, all I get is angry. We need to change our ROE.

SoldiersMom on April 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM

If Ziegler was standing out there yelling, Katie show me your tits! I’d say bust him. But, this stuff? Nah.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM

What is “this stuff”? How do you know what he was doing before security got there? For all we know, maybe he was yelling those things. Of course, I find that highly improbable, but we just dont know.

To me, this looks like “D-bag meets Powertripping Security Jerks”. There are no heroes here. But until we get the full story, it would be silly to make any conclusions.

orange on April 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM

And in all cases the LAPD were called to remove

Conservative Voice on April 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. I am slow. It raises a good question. Instead of treating Ziegler in the manner they did, why didn’t they call the LAPD?

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Blake: Depends on jurisdiction. Here in Oregon, I can detain a trespasser long enough to use non-deadly force to eject his ass.

I’m sure it is different in CA.

Loxodonta: Yea, we had a similar prob with petition peddlers in malls up here. The mall owners were forced by a judge to put up a table for these schmucks.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Was his rights violated or not? Is the campus private property?

RobCon on April 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Obviously Ziegler should have followed in the footsteps of Walter Cronkite and, when faced with the inability to actually witness the event, should have just started making crap up about it.

Any school of journalism that holds such a man as Uncle Walt in esteem has issues.

JSchuler on April 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM

We are talking about not only CA but LA County and with these particular facts. Everything else is irrelevant as to this case.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM

He should have let people join him… This wouldn’t have happened then, power in numbers…

reshas1 on April 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Blake: true dat.

I’ll bow to your expertise, as I have no clue what perversions CA judges and legislators have inflicted on that basic human right.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I can’t believe how depressed this incident left me. The guards should be ashamed of themselves.

ndulik on April 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Ziegler rocks! Go John!

promachus on April 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM

+10

sarahpalinfan99 on April 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM

The way I see it, he was just taking a play from the left’s playbook and using it against them for a change….

I applaude Ziegler only because he’s changed the rules – If you always do what you always did, you’ll always get what you always got. When the left will do or say anything and I see that voters don’t hold them accountable, all I get is angry. We need to change our ROE.

SoldiersMom on April 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I applaud Ziegler as well for taking it to liberals. At least in this video though, he did not seem to be using the same harassing and disruptive tactics as the Left often employs. (e.g. the trolls in these threads.)

It looked like he was to the side, asking people to comment on camera. I don’t see that as being disruptive.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Loxodonta: Yea, we had a similar prob with petition peddlers in malls up here. The mall owners were forced by a judge to put up a table for these schmucks.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Thanks. So, there can be limits to private property rights under special circumstances, especially when private property allows public gatherings, even at private malls. I would imagine that Oregon and California may well be among the states promoting such legal concepts.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM

It looked like he was to the side, asking people to comment on camera. I don’t see that as being disruptive.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Really. If they didn’t want to talk to him, I’m sure he wasn’t blocking them. I’ve seen his interviews. All they had to do was walk past. Big imposition, I’m sure.

I still love the irony of not a single camera showing up, to check out the scuffle, from all the “award winning journalists” inside. Orwell cubed.

progressoverpeace on April 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Please don’t tase him, mall-cop bro’s.

Travis Bickle on April 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM

The Annenberg School of Journalism … teaching journalists how to stonewall and intimidate … journalists.

We need to get Bill Moyers on this… He would never use intimidation and he would definitely never “OUT” someone…

Upstater85 on April 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM

progressoverpeace on April 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM

The irony is priceless. And you can tell that by the Annenberg School’s response, posted up thread.

The smartest move would have been for the campus police to warn Ziegler not to block movement or harass people, then stay out of his way and simply monitor. Their behavior here, while perhaps within their rights, is incredibly stupid.

Loxodonta on April 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM

I’ll bow to your expertise, as I have no clue what perversions CA judges and legislators have inflicted on that basic human right.

Kristopher on April 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM

It’s the ACLU. Prosecutor’s hate these cases. Hate filing them and hate trying them, which is a rarity. They are a real pain in the ass. Everyone thinks they are simple to file and prosecute and they are anything but.

Blake on April 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM

The fact that you call John Ziegler a journalist just illustrates how much you don’t know about the profession.

Tom_Shipley on April 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Priceless. He writes as if scribbling one’s observations or re-arranging a press-agency’s paragraphs is an act of impenetrable erudition.

Jens

Yes, Jens! What gets me about “journalists” is that they think a degree from a school of journalism makes them an expert on nearly everything in the universe. In my profession I’ve frequently had the opportunity to be a part of stories covered by the media. It is a rare journalist that gets the story right.

Why did the campus police make such an issue of this (I do think John should have just left). I don’t think they’re stupid. I think they were doing what they were ordered to do by the higher-ups. And the higher-ups should be smart enough not to fall into such an obvious trap to give John film footage of such irony. So why did they order this? My theory: Katie and her ilk in “journalism” have been part of the “in” crowd since school days and they don’t take kindly to “outsiders” messing with their club event. This wasn’t about public disturbance, private property or anything else but John Ziegler spoiling their party because he isn’t part of their clique.

RClark on April 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Their suits need to be brown.

The sidewalk is public. The state owns the school. It isn’t private. It is just a power stunt by the gestapo.

This will get a lot of views and comments. It will take away from the glory being bestowed on Tke Katie above all other media.

seven on April 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Ziegler should sue the university for this assault. Hit their pocket book, or even harass them back enough and they will leave our kind alone.

Right_of_Attila on April 16, 2009 at 5:41 PM

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