Ratings blowout: Fox News scores big with tea-party coverage

posted at 5:45 pm on April 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

How big? Glenn Beck’s audience at 5 p.m. was bigger than the combined audiences for Olbermann’s and Maddow’s primetime “teabagging” jamboree. And he was still only the fourth-biggest show on FNC yesterday.

Note that the 11 p.m. rerun of O’Reilly topped Olby’s show by more than half a million viewers.

Follow the link for an equally brutal breakout in the 25-54 demo. One might suggest there’s a lesson in this for certain parties, but that lesson surely will go unlearned: Does anyone think CNN or MSNBC would betray The Cause and tack right even if it was guaranteed to bring them bigger numbers? Why, poor Susan Roesgen would have to quit. On principle.

Via Johnny Dollar, here’s the Red Eye gang paying a very Red Eye-ish tribute to Fox’s competitors on last night’s show. How long before they’re beating Olby at 3 a.m.?

Update: An even more amazing stat from the table above: The only hour in which Fox didn’t beat all three other networks combined was 7 p.m., and even then it barely missed.

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That is a joke right?
Stewart is a clever intellectually competant comedian.

Jon is just going through a bad (and prolonged) case of male menopause, not sure you can call that intellect

runner on April 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I’m a right wing extremist with no cable.

Weirdo, I know.

Mommypundit on April 16, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Then you’re not watching FOX.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:27 PM

She has a computer – she can stream it.

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM

That’s true. That was true in 2008 and 2006 as well. How did those elections go?

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM

The problem with your logic is that it was Republicans who voted against their own Republican Congressmen because they were unhappy. And Republicans who did not get behind McCain because he wasn’t strong enough fiscally! Among other reasons. All this movement needs is good solid candidates, which admittedly I don’t see yet.

You really don’t get that there isn’t a political party that is speaking to this discontent. Republicans turned into Democrats as soon as they got power! It was disgraceful! We don’t support that! Maybe it will take a while before we can come up with candidates who get it maybe not.

This isn’t about Rep. vs. Dem to us. This is about out of control government of both parties.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM

An even more amazing stat from the table above: The only hour in which Fox didn’t beat all three other networks combined was 7 p.m., and even then it barely missed.

lmfao…
————————————-

AllahP this is just another head fake.
All this proves is disproportionately more republicans watch cable news.
Afterall, most of the rest of the country get our news from Steven Colbert, John Stewart, SNL and NPR. ;)

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM

good god almighty, thats freaking hilarious..

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM

1st: someone go put up a dish for mommypundit.
2D: when someone mentioned that 2010 is too late, you are right. we need to keep the pressure on NOW. they are still up in Congress spending like they have good sense which we know they don’t.

keep writing them. keep emailing them. keep calling.

kelley in virginia on April 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM

The problem with your logic is that it was Republicans who voted against their own Republican Congressmen because they were unhappy. And Republicans who did not get behind McCain because he wasn’t strong enough fiscally! Among other reasons. All this movement needs is good solid candidates, which admittedly I don’t see yet.

1. There are more Democrats than Republicans.

2. Did Republicans not get behind McCain? McCain got 60 million votes. Bush got 62 million.

McCain got 39% of the independent vote. Bush got 48% in 2004. That more than accounts for that 2 million person discrepancy.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

That is a joke right?
Stewart is a clever intellectually competant comedian.
Beck is an insane clown.
And you are obviously a Juggalette.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Oh come now you don’t seriously consider Stewart an intellectual?

I learned long ago that people who gain there education through the hard knocks of real life and can hang onto their sense of humor are much more worth while than those who have only theoretical knowledge of hardship.

Jon Stewart=Paris Hilton compared to Beck.

I think both can be funny and both can be crass and unappealing. But that book of Stewart’s about the Supreme Court was pretty crass. He sort of lost me with that.

And I have no idea what a juggle whatever you said is… probably another sexual term I have no business knowing.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

The only hour in which Fox didn’t beat all three other networks combined was 7 p.m., and even then it barely missed.

Is that Shep Smith’s hour? I’m not surprised.

terryannonline on April 16, 2009 at 6:42 PM

good god almighty, thats freaking hilarious..

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM

yup, but also true.
What the stats prove is republicans watch cable news, not that FOX is the best cable news show.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Given that there are more democrats than republicans.
34% to 27% isnt it?

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM

McCain got 39% of the independent vote. Bush got 48% in 2004. That more than accounts for that 2 million person discrepancy.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Good point… McCain almost won… Many Independents are Republicans just too chicken to get labeled racist by the left. I know I used to be one. Didn’t like the labels others would put on me for it. But then I grew up.

When you look at those numbers… Obama really did a lousy job when there was so much Bush fatigue.

I honestly made calls to get Bush elected but I just couldn’t get behind McCain enough to do more than vote. And I did that with ambivalence.

I’m still not sure he’d be doing much better than Obama is… although I’m certain he could not be doing worse. No one could be doing worse than this.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:47 PM

good god almighty, thats freaking hilarious..

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM

yup, but also true.
What the stats prove is republicans watch cable news, not that FOX is the best cable news show.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM

You know that is true. Republicans watch cable. Democrats watch comedy channel… that explains Obama alright.

What a joke.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM

And I have no idea what a juggle whatever you said is… probably another sexual term I have no business knowing.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Given that Beck is an insane clown, and you are his follower, that makes you a juggalette.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM

lock Shep in a broom closet
Anna on April 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I SECOND the motion!

Branch Rickey on April 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Now who can charge more for advertising based on the numbers……..

………. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

The left will never understand that good journalism is also good business……..

………….. propaganda isn’t.

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM

good god almighty, thats freaking hilarious..

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM

yup, but also true.
What the stats prove is republicans watch cable news, not that FOX is the best cable news show.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM

O….K

The hilarious part was about what you watch, Comedy is your news… and it shows…

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Many Independents are Republicans just too chicken to get labeled racist by the left.

I guess, but your point was that Republicans did not get behind McCain. McCain got 89% of Republican voters. Bush got 93%, according to exit polls.

That 4% were moderate Republicans voting for Obama, not people who voted for a more conservative candidate.

Also, my earlier numbers were wrong.

McCain got 45% of the independent vote, not 39%. I got the “independent” vote mixed up with the “moderate” vote, which McCain got 39% of.

Anyway, my point is that McCain lost moderates that Bush held. The problem wasn’t that McCain wasn’t conservative enough.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Words have more than one meaning. Juggalette can also mean retarded psychopathic fan whos willing to do anything. You really need to stop calling people that.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM

McCain almost won…

in what universe?
Petunia, Mac lost by 10 million votes.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Then you’re not watching FOX.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Wow, yer a quick study aint ya?

R D on April 16, 2009 at 7:04 PM

McCain almost won…

in what universe? Petunia, Mac lost by 10 million votes.
strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Yes, and only 9,999,999 were A.C.O.R.N. double voters….

Branch Rickey on April 16, 2009 at 7:07 PM

The hilarious part was about what you watch, Comedy is your news… and it shows…

stlpatriot on April 16, 2009 at 6:54 PM

The hilarious part is how profoundly tone deaf to culture conservatives are.
And that you think FOX is news, when the highest rated show is a weepy televangelist in clown shoes posing as a newscaster.
How is Beck not comedy?
LOL! Ratings explained, AllahP.
;)

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Shep the lib – not pulling his weight. Move Beck to 7.

marklmail on April 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM

McCain almost won…

in what universe? Petunia, Mac lost by 10 million votes.
strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Yes, and only 9,999,999 were A.C.O.R.N. double voters….

Branch Rickey on April 16, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Yes, ACORN also managed to trick all the pollsters into showing results very close to what actually happened on Election Day.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Yes, and only 9,999,999 were A.C.O.R.N. double voters….

Branch Rickey on April 16, 2009 at 7:07 PM

The electoral college was even more of a blowout.
365-173

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM

The electoral college was even more of a blowout.
365-173

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM

just curious, as ive never tried sparring with you…you’re a democrat right?

ernesto on April 16, 2009 at 7:16 PM

McCain almost won…
in what universe?
Petunia, Mac lost by 10 million votes.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM

My my don’t we get upset with a little hyperbole…

I think if you all dismiss those rallies yesterday you do so out of complete blindness to the discontent that the current monetary policy is causing.

The fact that Olbermann and Maddow do not have an audience is a sign of the sense of the American people. Even Democrats can see through that stuff. That is a good sign.

I like Beck. Sorry I just do. I am not one to defend people when they really stupid stuff however so if he goes off the deep end I don’t follow or excuse.

So much of the little snippets other’s post about him are just blips in his over all performance. I just think if you can get the “moment of zen” you should be able to understand the “doom room” that’s all its the same type of humour. I happen to be able to laugh when politicians I generally agree with do stupid stuff. But the left is just so worshipful about their politicians!

When I would get mad at the left for making fun it was when they weakened the President on the war effort. It was about the troops not Bush.

Bush is a big boy. But apparently Obama needs protection, because he isn’t what… why the need to protect him from criticism?

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Oh stop with the freakin numbers. The whole point of this election to me was that a RINO can’t run as a republican and win! The last landslide was for Reagan who was our last conservative!

Bush won in 2000 because people were sick of Clinton. He won again in 04 because people didn’t want to change generals in the middle of a war.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, ever considered George W. Bush a conservative and McCain was worse than Bush!

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I freakin’ loved Jim’s ventriloquist dummy joke about Shuster….spot on hilarious.

The Ugly American on April 16, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Yes, ACORN also managed to trick all the pollsters into showing results very close to what actually happened on Election Day.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Looking at the polls and seeing the demonstrations… I am beginning to thing there may be something to that.

Obviously there is something here that doesn’t add up.

I know how I feel. And I know why. And there are a lot of others who feel this way too. So when polls always show something else… I suspect there is some hanky panky happening in the polling.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:22 PM

The hilarious part is how profoundly tone deaf to culture conservatives are.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Egad! I just threw up a little in my mouth! Any time a liberal mentions culture it’s usually to mock (in their words) the American culture, with disdain dripping from their voices.

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM

So when polls always show something else… I suspect there is some hanky panky happening in the polling.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Polls are bullshite! When I get calls from polsters they hang up on me as soon as they find out I’m a conservative (or white, or Christian). On election day, I either avoid them (exit polsters) or lie to them.

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Bush is a big boy. But apparently Obama needs protection, because he isn’t what… why the need to protect him from criticism?

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM

But all you teabaggers have is criticism.
The teaparties arent anti-entrenched government, they are just anti-Obama.
And the teaparties are not bipartisan.
Most of the country approves of Obama.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Given that there are more democrats than republicans.
34% to 27% isnt it?

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM

That was the latest accurate number I saw. Which proves that some of the most prominent public opinion polls are cooking their numbers to falsely elevate O’bama.

In the two most recent C-BS/NY Times “polls”, they oversampled Democrats by 19%. And in a recent Newsweak “poll”, they over-sampled Democrats by 35%.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

The hilarious part is how profoundly tone deaf to culture conservatives are.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Egad! I just threw up a little in my mouth! Any time a liberal mentions culture it’s usually to mock (in their words) the American culture, with disdain dripping from their voices.

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM

‘Culture’ to asshats like this is a cross being dipped in urine. Don’t bother, it will just keep regurgitating talking points.

HornetSting on April 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Oh stop with the freakin numbers. The whole point of this election to me

That really sums it up, doesn’t it? You don’t like the numbers unless they say what you want them to. Pathetic.

Reagan won because he was a compelling figure that everybody liked, and he was running against a wildly unpopular, uncharismatic president. He also understood how to run an election much better than Carter did. It was like racing a train against a horse.

He won again in 1984 because he was a popular, well liked president who knew how to run a campaign very well, and he ran against an unlikeable bozo who had very little electoral experience and no message to run on except a Wendy’s ad.

Reagan didn’t win on his ideas. No one ever does. Do you really think the American people go on wild ideological swings every few years?

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Egad! I just threw up a little in my mouth! Any time a liberal mentions culture it’s usually to mock (in their words) the American culture, with disdain dripping from their voices.

vapig on April 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM

There it is inna nutshell.
The reason you lost and will continue to lose.
You are confusing YOUR culture with AMERICAN culture.
It’s like Palin’s “Real America”.
That ‘tude just gets you the voters that live in “Real America”.
28% to 24% of the electorate and falling.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Glenn Beck’s audience at 5 p.m. was bigger than the combined audiences for Olbermann’s and Maddow’s primetime “teabagging” jamboree.

That gives me, dare I say it, a thrill up my leg.

Hawkins1701 on April 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM

What is amazing, is that MSNBC and CNN, as well as so many liberal newspapers, put their ideology over their economic welfare and alienate large segments of the population. It is almost suicidal. The childish jokes on CNN and MSNBC about “teabagging” was more suited for a circle of pimple faced thirteen year olds, than serious news people.

Star20 on April 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Star20 on April 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM

They’re waiting for a bailout.

HornetSting on April 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM

The electoral college was even more of a blowout.
365-173

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Funny how to you smirking Leftists the Electoral College was “bad” after the 2000 election, when Gore won the popular vote but lost the Electoral Vote, but the EC is suddenly “good” now.

And let’s not forget, the main reason Gore lost the EV wasn’t Florida-it was because he lost his own home state of Tennessee. Had he won there, he would never have needed Florida’s Electoral Votes.

BTW, it’s true that O’bama did win 10 million more votes. But 1/3 of the eligible voting population stayed home.

2004…Bush wins 51% = “Divided nation”

2008…O’bama wins 52% = “Mandate”

You people crack me up. Can I have some of your martini?

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:31 PM

The hilarious part is how profoundly tone deaf to culture conservatives are.
And that you think FOX is news, when the highest rated show is a weepy televangelist in clown shoes posing as a newscaster.
How is Beck not comedy?
LOL! Ratings explained, AllahP.
;)

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Ummm you do realize that Beck is a comedian, right? I mean like Colbert and Stewart… that is what he is doing. So calling him a clown is not an insult. But you have a very narrow sense of humor and a very thin skin.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I dont know anything about their poll methods…….I’ll only vouch for the Gods of Statistics at 538.
Any competant pollster should be able to weight respondents to compensate for sample bias.
You people had a lot of trouble accepting poll data in the run up to 2008.
The maths don’t lie.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM

You consider 538 unbiased? Now that there that is funny.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:33 PM

wannabelife et al say that Fox News is actually “GOP News”. What do they call MSNBC “thrill up my leg news”…objective?

Riiiiiiiiight…

Move on.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Star20 on April 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I agree I haven’t had respect for MSNBC for a long time. But Cooper is just not a serious journalist anymore in the least. I think his career is over.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:35 PM

yup, but also true.

What the stats prove is republicans watch cable news, not that FOX is the best cable news show.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM

What does this prove then? Cost-cutting at NY Times, reorganization at WPost. Leftynews just out and out sucks?

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2009 at 7:35 PM

And that you think FOX is news

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM

And you think CNN is news. I rest my case.

CNN has falsely accused Americans of nerve-gassing Laotian civilians, falsely accused US soldiers of murdering Iraqi journalists, shown without apology Iraq insurgent snipers as they prepare to take out American soldiers, and gave Saddam Hussein’s family gifts and ignored his atrocities against the Iraqi people for over a decade. Their lead “journalist” has absolutely no journalistic training whatsoever (he was a history major, as Dubyah was), and only has his job because he lives under the anchor desk in Atlanta.

Pleae give us some credible examples of similar journalistic malpractice from Faux News. No Media Matters cites allowed.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 6:47 PM

At least McCain wouldn’t be proposing to gut our military. I also don’t believe he would be going around the world calling Americans arrogant.

So, yeah, he would be doing better.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:37 PM

So calling him a clown is not an insult. But you have a very narrow sense of humor and a very thin skin.

petunia on April 16, 2009 at 7:31 PM

My point is, if Stewart isn’t news, then Beck isn’t news.
They are both comics.
My sense of humor is broad….like most of America’s…we like Stewart, Colbert, SNL…..South Park is my cultural bible.
OTOH….I don’t think Beck is funnie.
Only the conservative/republican/juggalos do.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Anyway, my point is that McCain lost moderates that Bush held. The problem wasn’t that McCain wasn’t conservative enough.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM

A lot of the conservatives didn’t vote because they couldn’t stomach McCain. And yeah, I honestly blame them as much as I do the libtards for the mess we are in.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Most of the country approves of Obama.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Dude he’s been president for 3 months… what do expect?

terryannonline on April 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Reagan didn’t win on his ideas. No one ever does. Do you really think the American people go on wild ideological swings every few years?

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM

So you are saying that The Precendent was elected due to his experience?

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM

BTW, it’s true that O’bama did win 10 million more votes. But 1/3 of the eligible voting population stayed home.

They always do.
One voting demographic grew by almost 1 percent tho….
Guess who that was?
hahaha
18-29

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

A lot of the conservatives didn’t vote because they couldn’t stomach McCain. And yeah, I honestly blame them as much as I do the libtards for the mess we are in.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:39 PM

McCain got only 2 million fewer votes than Bush, and he garnered a smaller percentage of votes than Bush did among Republicans, Democrats, and independents.

This idea that tons of conservatives stayed home just doesn’t seem to be based in reality. The truth is, the voters liked Obama more.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

And let’s not forget, the main reason Gore lost the EV wasn’t Florida-it was because he lost his own home state of Tennessee. Had he won there, he would never have needed Florida’s Electoral Votes.

Quite right, D. And as a VERY PROUD Tennessean who voted against Gore, I thank you for bringing up that most valid point.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I dont know anything about their poll methods…….I’ll only vouch for the Gods of Statistics at 538.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Thanks for the laugh, kid. Let me guess-you’re getalife’s older sister?

The statitics I cited came from the actual polling results provided by Newsweak and C-BS/NYT. Each provides, in pdf format, a 20 page or so summary of how they got their results. Their polling samples are always relegated to the final page.

You on the other hand are citing a partisan blog run by two people. One of them is a baseball statistician, for crying out loud.

Fronm their profiles:

I vote for Democratic candidates the majority of the time (though by no means always). This year, I have been a supporter of Barack Obama. The other contributor to this website, Sean Quinn, has also been a supporter of Barack Obama.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:48 PM

This idea that tons of conservatives stayed home just doesn’t seem to be based in reality. The truth is, the voters liked Obama more.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

The truth is the voters were ready for “hope” and “change” and a freaking handout. Well who the hell is paying for that handout?

You really should change your name. Arlen Spector is a better RINO than you are.

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM

You are confusing YOUR culture with AMERICAN culture.
It’s like Palin’s “Real America”.
That ‘tude just gets you the voters that live in “Real America”.
28% to 24% of the electorate and falling.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Define American culture, or are you challenged and cannot come up with a definition ?

runner on April 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM

The truth is the voters were ready for “hope” and “change” and a freaking handout. Well who the hell is paying for that handout?

ladyingray on April 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM

I wasn’t making a value judgment on who they should have voted for. You just said the Republicans stayed home, and I don’t think that’s accurate.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:51 PM

WOW!

Maddow beat the dead guy by 114 points!

363 Maddow
349 King

DSchoen on April 16, 2009 at 7:53 PM

One voting demographic grew by almost 1 percent tho….
Guess who that was?
hahaha
18-29

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

So you’re admitting that today’s spoiled college kids put O’bama over the top? How Democratic of you.

BTW, here’s another stat for you: according to MSNBC, O’bama set a new record-he won 70% of the high school dropout vote. No one had ever gotten that many before. The previous closest was Algore in 2000, who got 59%.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM

My sense of humor is broad….like most of America’s…we like Stewart, Colbert, SNL…..South Park is my cultural bible.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Basing your cultural bible on a toon is kinda shallow, don’t you think? Oh, that’s right, you’re a Democrat who relies on a baseball statistician for your polling analysis.

BTW, Saturday Night Live stopped being funny about q5 years before you were born.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:59 PM

BTW, Saturday Night Live stopped being funny about q5 years before you were born.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Sorry, that should read 15 years before you were born.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 8:00 PM

This idea that tons of conservatives stayed home just doesn’t seem to be based in reality. The truth is, the voters liked Obama more.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

from CNN

“A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout,” the report said. Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008.

Remember-even though O’bama got 69 million votes, 60 million people voted against him.

Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008.

That’s percentages. I’m talking actual numbers.

That could mean that Republicans declined in percentage, or it could mean that you had a higher democratic turnout (which you almost certainly did).

If you had 5 Republican voters and 5 Democratic voters, Republicans would constitute 50% of the vote. If you had 5 republican voters and 10 Democratic voters, you would have 33% of the vote. But you’d still have the same turnout.

I’m sorry if I’m being pedantic. I can’t tell if you’re being dishonest or you really don’t understand this.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I noticed that Lou Dobbs was not on yesterday or today; did CNN lock him up?

Disturb the Universe on April 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM

LIl’ Jimmy Norton forever! FRRRRRRRRRUNKIS!

JG2K6 on April 16, 2009 at 9:06 PM

We all really need to stop calling the MSM “mainstream”, they clearly are not mainstream any longer.

paulsur on April 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM

My folks have never protested anything, but they wanted to go to the tea parties and they watch the coverage. They are the people who invested conservatively and lived frugal lifestyles, but now if they draw out a large sum of their savings they are treated like they are rich. A lifetime of savings doesn’t mean somebody is rich. Work hard all your life, save your money, live well within your means and what are you rewarded with? The Government takes a huge bite out of your retirement. What do those that live beyond their means and not save get? Government bailouts with my parents money … spreading the wealth … more like spreading the pain. It’s not because taxes are so high, it’s because the tax system is so unfair. Using the money of hard workers to bailout morons is not why this nation was founded.

Stickeehands on April 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Reagan didn’t win on his ideas. No one ever does. Do you really think the American people go on wild ideological swings every few years?

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:28 PM

No, Americans remain a bit right of center. That will become apparent as time goes on. Obama will have to tack to the right a bit or his party may face another bloodbath. Come to think of it, O-bots are right in fervently hoping that Obama gets his “democratic socialism” or whatever, and soon. If he turns out to be a dud, it could be disaster for Democrats. BIG disaster.

This idea that tons of conservatives stayed home just doesn’t seem to be based in reality. The truth is, the voters liked Obama more.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM

The truth is, not very many were really excited about either candidate. There wasn’t the record turnout we were led to believe we’d see.

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 10:01 PM

That could mean that Republicans declined in percentage, or it could mean that you had a higher democratic turnout (which you almost certainly did).
. . .
I’m sorry if I’m being pedantic. I can’t tell if you’re being dishonest or you really don’t understand this.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 8:12 PM

The reason you can’t tell is because you’re sniping without data to back up your pre-drawn conclusions.

Ergo, the fallacy of tautology.

fronclynne on April 16, 2009 at 10:06 PM

The truth is, not very many were really excited about either candidate. There wasn’t the record turnout we were led to believe we’d see.

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Obama got more votes than any other candidate in history. John McCain got the third most votes of any candidate in history.

Percentage-wise, it was the highest voter turnout since 1968. I’d say people were pretty excited.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Percentage-wise, it was the highest voter turnout since 1968. I’d say people were pretty excited.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM

A gain of one percentage point over 2004. More people were excited, given the fact that one of the candidates was black, but hardly an earth-shaking tsunami.

Bush was unpopular. The general feeling was that the country was headed in the wrong direction. The media was sycophantic in it’s Obamania. Obama should’ve won a Reagan-like landslide. The truth is, he didn’t.

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM

*its, not it’s

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 10:29 PM

And obviously it almost goes without saying that it was the highest turnout in American history in terms of sheer numbers, although that might have been depressed slightly by the fact that it was pretty clear that Obama was going to win handily.

Totally speculation, of course, but there were significant drops in turnout from prior elections in 1996 and 1972, when the outcome was pretty well sewn up early on.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM

But all you teabaggers have is criticism.
The teaparties arent anti-entrenched government, they are just anti-Obama.
And the teaparties are not bipartisan.
Most of the country approves of Obama.

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Criticism is how change begins.

unclesmrgol on April 16, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Bush was unpopular. The general feeling was that the country was headed in the wrong direction. The media was sycophantic in it’s Obamania. Obama should’ve won a Reagan-like landslide. The truth is, he didn’t.

Reagan won by 10 pts in 1980 – 51-41, if I remember correctly.

Obama won 53-46.

It wasn’t as much of a blowout, but McCain was a more compelling candidate than Jimmy Carter. And I would argue that the country is much more ideologically divided today than it was in 1980, in the sense that there is larger portion of the population that simply would never vote for a Republican/Democrat under any circumstances.

And look, I think McCain was a good candidate. Fred Thompson would have been annihilated. McCain got the Republicans, plus his name was virtually synonymous with bipartisanship and integrity – things independents tend to love.

Obama was an exceptional candidate. That’s not a value judgment on him as a leader or as a person, but he ran a hell of a campaign.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Dude he’s been president for only 3 months… what do you expect?

terryannonline on April 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM

And his numbers are below Bush’s for the same period — that’s gotta hurt.

unclesmrgol on April 16, 2009 at 10:42 PM

And obviously it almost goes without saying that it was the highest turnout in American history in terms of sheer numbers…

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Um, the number of people in the country increases from one election to the next. Nothing to go ga-ga over.

And look, I think McCain was a good candidate. Fred Thompson would have been annihilated. McCain got the Republicans, plus his name was virtually synonymous with bipartisanship and integrity – things independents tend to love.

Obama was an exceptional candidate. That’s not a value judgment on him as a leader or as a person, but he ran a hell of a campaign.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM

McCain was a bad candidate. Obama didn’t have to run a “hell of a campaign”. He had various media outlets doing all the work for him. Obama was an exceptional candidate in two ways: he’s probably the most leftward-leaning since Henry Wallace, and he’s black.

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Um, the number of people in the country increases from one election to the next. Nothing to go ga-ga over.

No, but you said it wasn’t record turnout, and it was.

McCain was a bad candidate. Obama didn’t have to run a “hell of a campaign”. He had various media outlets doing all the work for him.

Well, in retrospect, because he lost, I think it seems like McCain was a bad candidate. And he made some big mistakes. Then again, by the time he was making those mistakes, the thing was pretty much over. I don’t think they were mistakes as much as they were hail mary passes.

I don’t think anyone could have beaten Obama this time around.

Anyway, I’ll leave it at that. Thanks for being civil.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 11:29 PM

No, but you said it wasn’t record turnout, and it was.

By that standard, just about every election is a new record. I mean percentage of eligible voters casting ballots.

Well, in retrospect, because he lost, I think it seems like McCain was a bad candidate. And he made some big mistakes. Then again, by the time he was making those mistakes, the thing was pretty much over. I don’t think they were mistakes as much as they were hail mary passes.

I don’t think anyone could have beaten Obama this time around.

Anyway, I’ll leave it at that. Thanks for being civil.

Proud Rino on April 16, 2009 at 11:29 PM

McCain lost in part because of his flaccid campaign style, but mostly because Lehman Brothers went under. Plus also the general feeling of discontent with the incumbent party in the WH. Remember, Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy Obama and his wonderful campaign were trailing in the polls.

ddrintn on April 16, 2009 at 11:59 PM

How could anyone except an Obama loving demo say that McCain was a good candidate? He took every opportunity to NOT go after BO because he wanted to stay on the “High Road”. The debates were an eyeopener for me and on all but the last I had to get up and leave the room because of the extremely poor job McCain did. Palin went after Slow Joe and trounced him like Mc could have done to BO if he had used BO’s lack of experience by questioning him on issues. Instead he went on crazy rants about uninteresting issues that made BO look smart. I agree about the mood of the country and about the BM (Biased media, not MSM) being big assets for BO but I can tell you I felt like a child molester after I pulled the lever for McCain. I hated the man and what he stood for, still do, but I realized that BO was death for our beloved country and no amount of “Everyone” loves him could have made vote for BO. If the Congress was divided BO might last two terms but with the crazies in control he won’t make it.

inspectorudy on April 17, 2009 at 12:09 AM

CNN & MSNBC have lost all credibility & the sad thing is they don’t even care.

When people watch the news they want to be able to trust that what is being reported is the truth. Who wants to listen to a bunch of misinformation & lies.

redridinghood on April 17, 2009 at 12:17 AM

And those Republican Women are HOT!

See what you could be ProudRino if you just shaved and lost 70 pounds.

GunRunner on April 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Afterall, most of the rest of the country get our news from Steven Colbert, John Stewart, SNL and NPR. ;)

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Astonishing that one would even admit that.

How about getting news from the SciFi channel and Cartoon Network?

Might as well.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 17, 2009 at 1:32 AM

I find it amusing that middle class Americans align themselves with limo liberals. These same people, the L.L.’s act as if they and their viewers are the cool kids, and those tea party (middle class) people are the nerds….the hilarious part for me is that the L.L’s wouldn’t be caught dead in a restaurant, room, or hemisphere with their middle class viewers. When the rubber hits the road the L.L’s will all be huddled together surrounded by their connections and money and the middle class viewers will be on their own…..outside the gates, peering in and wondering why they are no longer cool.

nondhimmie on April 17, 2009 at 6:27 AM

Are there any ratings out there on the POTUS AND TOTUS addresses and press conferences? I read Politico’s story on Obama ad nausea, and I’m curious if the public is starting to yawn yet?

EyesOpen on April 17, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Fox leans slightly conservative. It isn’t a “Republican” channel.

Conservative overlaps with Republican more than it overlaps with Democrat, but they are not interchangeable terms.

MarkTheGreat on April 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM

The hilarious part is how profoundly tone deaf to culture conservatives are.

And that you think FOX is news, when the highest rated show is a weepy televangelist in clown shoes posing as a newscaster.
How is Beck not comedy?
LOL! Ratings explained, AllahP.
;)

strangelet on April 16, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Beck does not consider himself a journalist; he is a commentator, as he emphasized on his show not more than a week ago. The left insists on casting Beck, Levin, Rush, et.al., as newscasters when they clearly represent themselves as pundits. Ironically, the left insists on casting those who are clearly entertainers, Stewart and Colbert, as newscasters. How many have repeated the SNL canard about Sarah Palin being able to see Russia from her house? What else can you expect from people who think Sean Penn and Danny Glover are experts on foreign policy?

College Prof on April 17, 2009 at 10:05 AM

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