Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

posted at 3:25 pm on April 15, 2009 by Allahpundit

A tour de force of bias via TV Newser, from her sarcasm to her Fox-bashing to her badgering a guy who’ll be paying off Obama’s monstrous deficits for decades about why he isn’t satisfied with a $400 tax break this year. The title of the clip is “CNN Reporter Roughed Up at Chicago Tea-Party,” which, as you’ll see, is a transparent lie unless you consider the crowd yelling at her to stop cutting off the people she’s interviewing as “rough.” But that’s par for the course for the narrative being organized here: A nasty, violent, ignorant crowd, all doing the bidding of CNN’s sinister competitor. Stay classy, Turnerites.


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Don’t bother. Getaclue isn’t interested in more than being stupid.

lorien1973 on April 15, 2009 at 5:54 PM

I know, but I just want them to engage me with some sort of coherent argument to their convictions. Even the most ardent leftists have an argument based on their convictions. Hell, sometimes Proud Rino and DTMH at least try to show their side, (but fail miserably). But none of them are. It is showing me just how scared they really are that they will lose whatever they have gained in 06 and 08.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM

The very fact that the trolls are here day after day, derailing thread after thread, proves that they are scared.

Rank fear.

Christien on April 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I haven’t read all the posts but I loved the part where she said something to the effect that the land of Lincoln got 50 billion from the stimulus bill. Is she unaware that the people of the state of Lincoln and all the other states are the ones who pay the taxes that are returned back to them in the form of stimulus? Apparently not. I guess she thinks that there is some kind of other revenue garnering process(bake sales?) going on in D.C. that they have been kind enough to share with the great unwashed out in fly-over country.

Cindy Munford on April 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM

It’s even worse than that. The fifty billion are being sucked out of unborn children through reckless deficit spending. They’ll be paying it back, with interest… lots and lots of interest. The CNN apparatchik is telling these people they should bow and tug their forelocks because their masters in the government are giving them fifty billion now, and mailing a bill for seventy-five billion to the workers of 2020. Oh, and don’t forget that Washington will be helping itself to a big slice of that fifty billion, and spending it on emergency necessities, like government reports telling the voters they’re a bunch of violent insurgents if they don’t get with the program.

Even if the government came by that loot “honestly” – say, by finding a huge pile of buried pirate treasure under the Capitol building – you’ve got to love the sneering contempt built into the idea that people who receive money from the government have no say in how the government conducts its business. This would be a little easier to defend if participating in the tax-and-spend perpetual motion machine was voluntary – sign here to accept your government money, authorize us to take whatever taxes we see fit from your future income, and waive any right to voice your opinions, or check this box to opt out of paying or receiving taxes. You don’t have anything resembling that choice, of course. You can’t even opt out of a system like Social Security that is utterly doomed to failure and insolvency – you have to ride that boat right over the waterfall, whether you like it or not.

Because, my dear, our Trolls are miserable individuals having a miserable day. They cannot dispute the truth. They can only launch ad hominem attacks designed to disrupt the clear message of today and hijacks threads on any Conservative website they can get on. By the way, Nugent is playing the Star Spangled Banner right now at the Alamo on Fox News! Awesome!

kingsjester on April 15, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Insecurity is one of the defining principles of modern liberalism. They can’t abide intellectual competition, because their entire philosophy is based on the idea that liberalism is the last, desperate solution to every problem. Everything’s a disaster, and nothing can be done by private citizens to correct any of it. You have to admit that everything sucks, everyone’s a crook, private enterprise is a rigged game you can never win, and “social justice” is something done TO you, not something you participate in. Obama was the most transparent practitioner of a con game that’s been going on for seventy years – you have to approve his policies right now, no questions asked, or the country’s doomed.

Naturally, alternative solutions cannot be discussed, let alone tried. I always thought it was instructive to watch liberals recoil from freedom-based, competitive solutions, like vampires from a cross. Competition in academia? Can’t even talk about it, and a pilot program is unthinkable. Stimulating the economy through tax cuts? Beyond the pale – don’t ask why, and don’t ever bring it up again. The fact that statist solutions are far more difficult to reverse or correct is never taken as a reason to try the free-market solutions first. If we had “invested” our trillion dollar “stimulus” through tax cuts, like a year-long holiday on payroll taxes, and it didn’t produce the desired effect, it would be easy enough to reverse the program and raise taxes again – especially since only about half the country pays taxes anyway. Pork-flavored spending programs, on the other hand, are virtually impossible to kill, or even prevent from growing in the future… but the tax cuts can never even be discussed, while the pork bill is shoved through without debate.

The liberal answer to every critique always boils down to “shut up,” and this is a feature, not a bug. Power is too attractive, and totalitarian vindictiveness is too much fun, provided you’re on the right side. It takes wit, knowledge, and energy to argue the case for freedom and liberty. Making the case for collectivism only requires a designated victim group or two, a heady surge of self-righteousness, and the willpower to keep screaming until the other side stops trying to talk.

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Sultry Beauty on April 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Rino eventually admitted he voted for President Obama and is planning to do so again in 4 years. Busted. And now, because he was caught pretending to be something he’s not, he’s left in the position of no one taking him seriously, no matter how valid a point he may one day stumble across.

BadgerHawk on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Hey getaclue, still waiting. Still waiting for that rebuttal that all this spending will help the economy.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 5:02 PM
LOL, I am still waiting for her to support her claim that the GOP intentionally ruined the American economy.

Del Dolemonte on April 15, 2009 at 5:15 PM

As am I. Crickets, anyone?

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:08 PM

So you don’t know what the liberal argument is?

Which side is ignorant, again?

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 5:44 PM

“Because we have to” is not an argument for more than tripling the deficit. So far that has been the only “argument” presented. Your response is the typical “you must be ignorant”.

jdkchem on April 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

+100.
They really are scared and insecure. They look at these tea parties as a joke, but inside they realize that damn, there are some pissed off people that could make a difference at the voting booth come 2010. Oh my God, what do we do?

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

BadgerHawk on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

BUSTED. I’ve occasionally voted for Democrats. I’m not hiding that. You didn’t “bust” me, I admit it all the time.

“Pretending to be something I’m not?” RINO stands for

Republican In Name Only

Are you kidding?

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

That is such awfully biased reporting. Seriously.

TTheoLogan on April 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM

“Because we have to” is not an argument for more than tripling the deficit. So far that has been the only “argument” presented. Your response is the typical “you must be ignorant”.

jdkchem on April 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I’m not saying you’re ignorant, I’m saying people here accuse liberals of being ignorant, and then they say, “Oh, the liberal plan is just SPEND SPEND SPEND.”

And that’s ignorant. A lot of people here apparently have no idea as to *why* the stimulus bill was passed. And then they have the audacity to claim that liberals don’t understand economics.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Don’t even start. You are way too late for the party here. At least try an attempt at an argument why spending your way out of a recession is the way to end it. We have already heard the insults and have shot them down as the immature rants they are.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I’m honored to be featured in one of your posts. Doc. Eloquent and spot on, as usual.

kingsjester on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

On our local talk radio station in Reno, Nevada, Harry Reid is doing an interview with Bill Manders right now.

You can listen here.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Somebody may have already made this point (I don’t have time at work here to sift through 6 pages of comments), but I find it fascinating that when this country’s founders threw the first tea party to protest taxes it was hailed as one of the greatest moments in American history for years and years. But now when somebody throws a tea party to protest taxes, CNN sends reporters out to bash them and call them unpatriotic. My, how far we’ve come…

Eschelon on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I was AT the Chicago Tea Party.
Roughed up my a**!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM

A tour de force of bias via TV Newser, from her sarcasm to her Fox-bashing to her badgering a guy who’ll be paying off Obama’s monstrous deficits for decades about why he isn’t satisfied with a $400 tax break this year.

Well-done Allah! You get an ‘A’ for not calling the change in withholding tables a “tax cut“. And an ‘A’ for posting the best lap dog media video evah, which I never would have seen if not for Hot Air.

Buy Danish on April 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Then why don’t you lay out the liberal argument for why it’s a good idea? None of the trolls here seem to be able to do it.

The floor is yours.

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I’m patiently waiting…..

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Sorry, you can listen here.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Poor MSM can’t handle their precious King Barry getting tea-bagged by America.

Christien on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Turn out was phenomenal by the way.
I should have some pix to share later this eve.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

what the argument is on large scale ’spending’ projects if it’s not tax and ’spend’.

Sultry Beauty on April 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM

You believe the argument for the large scale spending projects is “Tax and spend?”

What?

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

The liberal answer to every critique always boils down to “shut up,” and this is a feature, not a bug. Power is too attractive, and totalitarian vindictiveness is too much fun, provided you’re on the right side. It takes wit, knowledge, and energy to argue the case for freedom and liberty. Making the case for collectivism only requires a designated victim group or two, a heady surge of self-righteousness, and the willpower to keep screaming until the other side stops trying to talk.

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

This post of yours is the kind of writing that had me chanting “NO DOCTOR ZERO, NO PEACE” on the Green Room thread.

What type of web commenter is Doctor Zero? The Mystery Genius:

The Mystery Genius — These folks are just the opposite of unacknowledged experts. Whoever they are, they post comments that are so shockingly clever or brilliant that you are left wondering who they are: Slumming Nobel Laureates? Bored nobility? The first glimpse of the Internet gaining consciousness?

capitalist piglet on April 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I agree. One of the neatest signs I saw at our rally was a picture of a beautiful sleeping infant with the words

“I owe how much?”

Cindy Munford on April 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Sometimes you have to look at more than the silly little CNN clips to grasp the true meaning of a situation. If you even knew what the tea parties were all about you’d realize the ignorance of your statement.

scalleywag on April 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Speaking of which…[piglet looks at watch, taps three times on its face while staring at dcwvu]

capitalist piglet on April 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Christien on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Heh. Made me throw up in my mouth a little tho…but still funny.

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I’m not saying you’re ignorant, I’m saying people here accuse liberals of being ignorant, and then they say, “Oh, the liberal plan is just SPEND SPEND SPEND.”

And that’s ignorant. A lot of people here apparently have no idea as to *why* the stimulus bill was passed. And then they have the audacity to claim that liberals don’t understand economics.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

They don’t understand economics. They follow what they interpret to be Keynesian economics even though John Keynes never favored runaway defitcits like we have. John Keynes believed that as long as you have a plan to pay off the debt or balance out the budget when times get better, then government lead deficit spending could prove beneficial. Obama, the Liberals and the RINOs have no such plan. They are literally throwing money at the problem.

They passed the Stimulus bill hoping that the infusion of cash would bolster the economy by putting money into the system, but this only works in the short term, if at all. First, they have to take money OUT of the system (government does not generate it’s own wealth) and then they spread it around hoping it will do good. So yes, it is Spend, Spend, Spend.

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

But that’s ok, because the creation of a massive government spending out of control doesn’t affect you in any way, does it. Or your children or grandchildren? Nah, nothing to see here, just move along.

scalleywag on April 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Does everyone remember when W suggested that everyone be allowed to put one or two percent of their Social Security into the Stock Market? The media and the Left became unhinged and looking at today’s stock market I am sure they feel their warnings were justified. But the government is investing in the Stock Market with lots and lots of borrowed money and they are purposely picking the losers. You can’t make this stuff up.

Cindy Munford on April 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Then why don’t you lay out the liberal argument for why it’s a good idea? None of the trolls here seem to be able to do it.

The floor is yours.

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

And that’s ignorant. A lot of people here apparently have no idea as to *why* the stimulus bill was passed. And then they have the audacity to claim that liberals don’t understand economics.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Still waiting….

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Speaking of which…[piglet looks at watch, taps three times on its face while staring at dcwvu]

capitalist piglet on April 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Awesomely funny! Best one of the day!

CaptFlood on April 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Then why don’t you lay out the liberal argument for why it’s a good idea? None of the trolls here seem to be able to do it.

The floor is yours.

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I’m patiently waiting…..

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

You are witnessing the standard answer.

ROFLMAO!

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I’m patiently waiting…..

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I don’t want to do this for the reason that I a) don’t agree with it b) will only draw people into an argument as to why it’s a bad idea, which is something I kind of agree with, and c) I can’t explain it as well as the TONS AND TONS of liberal pundits who have advocated this, and I don’t want to misrepresent their argument.

But here goes anyway: So everyone knows if you take the restrictions off of trade, trade will be more economically efficient.

The problem is that we don’t live in a vacuum. The economy goes in cycles, and the down cycles can occur in politically dangerous times. Also you have environmental issues, public health issues, wars, etc. all impacting this economy, and so while you waited for the market to have a massive correction, a revolution took place.

Or maybe the down cycle is disastrous, and you have widespread poverty for years. EVENTUALLY it will be better in the long run, but as Keynes said, in the long run we’re all dead.

So the idea is that you artifically prop up the economy during the down cycles with govt spending in order to ride out the crisis. So the argument is that you have a housing crisis and a credit crisis and people aren’t willing to spend money, and there are people that believe that the banks will actually run out of money, so the government spends money on public works projects. They hire people that are either unemployed or underemployed, and those people take the money they’ve earned rebuilding the infrastructure or whatever, and then they invest that in businesses, or they start that business they’ve always thought about. And the economy gets going again.

That’s the massively oversimplified version of the argument, and I don’t agree with it really, but there ya go.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Awesomely funny! Best one of the day!

CaptFlood on April 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Thank you. I am the veritable “blind squirrel”.

capitalist piglet on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

What a pathetic, elitist statement. You know, I worked at a local Wal-Mart a little during high school, and later while going to college. I made decent money and kept myself financially stable.

You might like to think, in your little fantasy world, that you are better than those “poor white people” you so easily castigate, but you are not, not by a long shot.

The amount of petulant whining and leg-kicking that I’ve seen from the usual trolls today makes me confident that they are indeed scared, like little children.

If we are” bitter people clinging to our religion and guns”, then you liberals are like crying children clinging to your blankets.

ManInBlack on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM

No wonder CNN is number one. Unbe-effin-lievable. How bad is it when they send reporters to shout down the dissenters!

Laura in Maryland on April 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM

that is sickening beyond comprehension…the bias is SOOOO far over the top it is frightening. sorta feels like watching english versions of Nazi propaganda films.

NY Conservative on April 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

If we are” bitter people clinging to our religion and guns”, then you liberals are like crying children clinging to your blankets our money.

ManInBlack on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM

FIFY. Oh, and great post! I get sick of people bashing Walmart on behalf of the little guy, and bashing the little guy.

Laura in Maryland on April 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

that is sickening beyond comprehension…the bias is SOOOO far over the top it is frightening. sorta feels like watching english versions of Nazi propaganda films.

NY Conservative on April 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

I feel sorry for the guy she was interviewing, he was obviously nervous about being on Camera. It’s easy to pick on someone in a situation like that. The bias was crystal clear with that idiot reporter. Why even cover the event if you have such preconceived notions about it?

thankfully nobody watches CNN.

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Pffffft, what a load of shiite that video was.

ProudinNC on April 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

What a nasty, mean-spirited person you must be. Why do you think that “poor, white” people should have no say? Why do you believe they should accept second-class citizenship and do as you and your equally condescending elected officials tell them? What makes you think you have the right to boss them around and tell them what they should and shouldn’t think, be, and do? Who, precisely, do you think you are?

DrMagnolias on April 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

One question that would be nice for liberals to answer is to explain when, in history, where this has worked? Seriously, name any country that has taxed and spent its way into prosperity?

The second thing that would be nice is to explain what fixed the problem of the 1970s?

I understand, from your post above, if you do not care to answer these questions, but you’ve failed to illustrate how liberals understand economics.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

So I take it you’re finally abandoning the canard that the left is “for the people” and are finally showing your true beliefs: the swinish masses should be governed by an oligarchy of the wealthy, ivory towered elitists.

At least you’re now being honest.

patriette on April 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

The stumbling block to that logic is that government has no wealth of it’s own. It has to take it from the citizens…thus the citizens spend less…therefore, there can be no “propping” of the economy…it’s a fairy tale, a ghost story…it’s merely a reallocation of my money…

I have $1000 dollars to spend. The government, in it’s infinite wisdom, decides it can spend $200 of my dollars better than I can. They take that $200 and give it to a school full of tenured teachers. However, I would have bought a big screen TV.

Who the heck created a job? When you get right down to the bare bones of what makes up any economy, isn’t job creation what it’s all about?

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM

BadgerHawk on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Is he capable of making a valid point? Cement heads usually aren’t.

Sultry Beauty on April 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I love the line about this spending being necessary to “clean up Bush’s mess.” What a complete joke that talking point is. Clean up WHAT exactly? They aren’t cleaning up anything, they are sh&%^&& all over the floor.

Dr. Manhattan on April 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM

What?

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Dude, such a cement head. You conveniently leave of the front part that ask you to enlighten me. So, if I’m asking you ‘What?’ Why are you answering me with a question, ‘What?’ Or is it merely that you have no clue what you actually mean?

Sultry Beauty on April 15, 2009 at 6:57 PM

The stumbling block to that logic is that government has no wealth of it’s own. It has to take it from the citizens…thus the citizens spend less…therefore, there can be no “propping” of the economy…it’s a fairy tale, a ghost story…it’s merely a reallocation of my money…

I have $1000 dollars to spend. The government, in it’s infinite wisdom, decides it can spend $200 of my dollars better than I can. They take that $200 and give it to a school full of tenured teachers. However, I would have bought a big screen TV.

Who the heck created a job? When you get right down to the bare bones of what makes up any economy, isn’t job creation what it’s all about?

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Exactly how I see it. Except one thing, where the heck can I get a big screen TV for $200??

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

so, let me get this straight…

You don’t agree with their polcies… but you constantly argue in support of them…

How does that work?

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Best sign so far:

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/30549/teabagger.jpg

Comedy gold.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 7:05 PM

ladyingray on April 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM

You missed a part of the equation… debt…

I’ve got $1000, and it costs me $900 to live that month… but then the govenrment Taxes me $200… thus I’ve got to come up with $100 somewhere to buy my kids shoes…

Meanwhile, the governemnt takes my $200, but spends $300!…

Now, who makes out on this whole deal? BANKS. I’m in debt and paying interest… and the Govs in debt, and paying interest…

So, short term stimulus equals more Profit for Banks, and other countries who buy our debt.

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:07 PM

radiopyongyang on April 15, 2009 at 7:05 PM

What’s a Daily Kos?

Del Dolemonte on April 15, 2009 at 7:09 PM

We had over 5000 tax protesters here in Wisconsin (and 4 anti protesters who stayed all of 5 minutes).

Best protest sign of the day read:

The real Messiah only asks for 10%

I want that T-shirt.

karen32862 on April 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM

“Teabagger of the Day”

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/teabagger-day

Hilarious.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I have yet to hear even one of you who post against the Tea Parties articulate a message about why these people should not protest. Name-calling is not an argument.

DrMagnolias on April 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Read Saul Alinsky, a mentor to Hillary Clinton and an inspiration to Dear Leader. One of his central tenets is that when one is losing the debate, Plan A is to insult your opponent and call them names.

Del Dolemonte on April 15, 2009 at 7:12 PM

You missed a part of the equation… debt…

I’ve got $1000, and it costs me $900 to live that month… but then the govenrment Taxes me $200… thus I’ve got to come up with $100 somewhere to buy my kids shoes…

Meanwhile, the governemnt takes my $200, but spends $300!…

Now, who makes out on this whole deal? BANKS. I’m in debt and paying interest… and the Govs in debt, and paying interest…

So, short term stimulus equals more Profit for Banks, and other countries who buy our debt.

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Unless the bank wants to give the TARP money back early, then they slammed by the government with huge interest rates.

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 7:12 PM

No wonder CNN’s ratings are in the garbage dumpster. Good job today by Susan Roesgen. Her biased and hate filled interviews helps to keep CNN digging their credibility hole deeper, and deeper.

byteshredder on April 15, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Don’t forget the function of inflation in that fiasco.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Unless the bank wants to give the TARP money back early, then they slammed by the government with huge interest rates.

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 7:12

PM

And just where did the Government get the Tarp money in the first place?

THEY BORROWED IT.

They’ve already lost BILLIONS on the TARP bailout… and the only banks who will get slammed by paying that money back, will be the “honest” small banks.

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Don’t forget the function of inflation in that fiasco.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Oh, I know… inflation is your freind if you are in debt…

not your freind if you have savings… or assets.

Romeo13 on April 15, 2009 at 7:18 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Wow, the biggest race/absolute-moral-authority card in history.
In other words, shut up.

silverfox on April 15, 2009 at 7:21 PM

A highly entertaining day.

Thanks for the laughs cons.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

So? No problem here.

sethstorm on April 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM

I’m not saying you’re ignorant, I’m saying people here accuse liberals of being ignorant, and then they say, “Oh, the liberal plan is just SPEND SPEND SPEND.”

You’re correct, the liberal plan is three-fold:

1) SPEND SPEND SPEND

2) Saddle the federal government with new, and expanded, welfare programs so that the future of the federal government can never be anything but SPEND SPEND SPEND.

3) Get corporations indebted to the federal government (either by saving them from bankruptcy or regulating them into bankruptcy and then saving them) so that the economy can be controlled by the feds and money can be funneled through these companies to the dems’ unions, to keep the voters well-paid.

And that’s ignorant. A lot of people here apparently have no idea as to *why* the stimulus bill was passed. And then they have the audacity to claim that liberals don’t understand economics.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

LOL. Liberals understand economics? Did you even hear what the moron Precedent explained about the Porkulus? I’m sure you don’t remember, so I’ll remind you:

So then you get the argument, well, this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill. What do you think a stimulus is? That’s the whole point. No, seriously. That’s the point.

– The Precedent

This blithering idiot doesn’t understand the difference between spending and stimulus. Do you? In fact, he’s so stupid that he is claiming that spending IS the sum total of a stimulus. Are you the same?

If you want to talk about economic ignoramuses, you need go no further than The Precedent and his brain-dead followers.

progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM

In related news… business at Hooters and Walmart is way down today.

benny shakar on April 15, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Huh. Really? Because I went to both Hooters and WalMart today, didn’t notice any difference in volume of customers…and I managed to swing by my local Tea Party.
If ignorance is bliss, benny, you must be the happiest guy on earth.

uncivilized on April 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

+100

sethstorm on April 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

What a racist, elitist piece of trash you are!

I especially love the Walmart comment, as though having a job is somehow a disgrace!

I suppose suckling at the public trough is more glamorous in your opinion?

vapig on April 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM

One question that would be nice for liberals to answer is to explain when, in history, where this has worked? Seriously, name any country that has taxed and spent its way into prosperity?

The second thing that would be nice is to explain what fixed the problem of the 1970s?

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Well, I would argue that it *did* work in the 1930s. But did the New Deal directly fix the Great Depression? Of course not. It was never supposed to fix it, it was supposed to smooth out the market correction so it wasn’t such a drastic drop.

Now, granted, that means you’re often going to be *prolonging* the bad times (only they will arguably be less bad), but people would presumably prefer 10 years of a mediocre economy than 4 years of collapse.

I don’t know enough to say what caused or fixed the problems of the 70s, but I will say that one of my biggest problems with Keynes is that it never seems to go away. Once the plans are in place, they’re in place forever.

Sometimes, that’s good. There is no industrialized country that is not a welfare state, and that’s not an accident. People in industrialized states demand more benefits from governments, and if the Sovereign won’t provide it, then the people will get themselves a new sovereign one way or another. Better a New Deal than a Great Leap Forward.

But it goes too far too fast, and you end up with a massive bloated government that needs to be cut down. That’s why Reagan was so necessary.

Anyway, just my opinions.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM

+100

sethstorm on April 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM

-10,000

(For being an elitist, racist piece of trash)

vapig on April 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Good thing that CNN reporter didn’t reach me in the Chicago crowd.

chicagojedi on April 15, 2009 at 7:42 PM

DrMagnolias on April 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Liberal = elitist = entitlement mentality.

uncivilized on April 15, 2009 at 7:42 PM

The fearful smell of trolls permeates this thread this 4-15.

silverfox on April 15, 2009 at 7:42 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Continue to think this way at your peril. I saw a lot of well dress prosperous looking parents of children. And grandparents concerned about the future of the country and the legacy of debt they are being forced to leave to their children.

I saw patriotism in action. You are a blindman.

petunia on April 15, 2009 at 7:44 PM

But it goes too far too fast, and you end up with a massive bloated government that needs to be cut down. That’s why Reagan was so necessary.

Anyway, just my opinions.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM

And isn’t this what is happening now? Too far too fast? Isn’t this what the whole tea party thing is about? I really think you have two minds.

petunia on April 15, 2009 at 7:47 PM

“Because we have to” is not an argument for more than tripling the deficit. So far that has been the only “argument” presented. Your response is the typical “you must be ignorant”.

jdkchem on April 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Nor is the often-repeated “we inherited this mess from the Bush administration”. I don’t know about anyone else, but if I actually inherited a “mess”, I sure as he!! wouldn’t think tripling the size of said “mess” was a plausible solution.

uncivilized on April 15, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Well, I would argue that it *did* work in the 1930s. But did the New Deal directly fix the Great Depression? Of course not. It was never supposed to fix it, it was supposed to smooth out the market correction so it wasn’t such a drastic drop.
Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Uh – The New Deal turned a recession into the Depression and dragged it out 10 years longer than it would have taken for it to correct itself had free markets been left to correct themselves!

The only way FDR got us out was WWII by turning the economy into a war machine and using our unemployed men as soldiers.

vapig on April 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM

This really hurts the silly “tea party” cause. All it looked like was a bunch of poor, white people who are mad they have to pay taxes and are still bitter over losing the election to the black guy. These people need to get back to greeting people at Wal-Mart.

dcwvu on April 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

I was not more than 50 feet from this incident and you know what I saw? The same people I see walking in downtown Chicago every day. Normal, working people, maybe some of whom work at Wal-Mart. Well, not in Chicago because Mayor Daley is an idiot.

Anyway, I want you to visualize the social distance you imagine exists between you and those “Wal-Mart greeters”. Got that image in your head? Good. Now double that social distance and you’re possibly in the ballpark of how much social distance lies between me and you. I’ve worked nearly all of my life after graduate school in companies where if your resume didn’t have Harvard Business School or something very similar, you weren’t even called on the phone for a pre-interview. Then, of the 1 in 10 people they did pre-screen, 1 in 10 of those got hired. They billed me out to CEOs at almost $70,000/month for my advice. Another job I had a standing invitation from the CEO of one of the biggest insurance companies in the world to set up a meeting with him so I could give him my thoughts on how the business should be run. Basically, if a punk like you so much as looked at me funny at any company where I worked, you’d be fired by the end of the day.

Oh, and I took this career path after getting a Master’s degree in History and learning Ancient Greek, Latin, German (taught that one to myself so I could read untranslated German scholarly works on Ancient Greece and Rome, as well as German philosophers and poets I liked in English and wanted to read in the original), French, and a little bit of Italian, which I also taught myself, since the Italians are the best archeologists of Ancient Rome these days.

What does your resume say, punk? You (and I) were lucky enough to be born in the greatest country in the history of the world (as you can see, I know a bit about history and I give thanks every day that I was born in this country rather than any other) and you sit and make fun of people who just want a chance to live their lives in peace without some government bureaucrat taking his cut so he can sit on his butt in DC and decide who’s livelihood to screw over today. You are a piece of garbage. I started out my life with nothing and did something with it and along the way I’ve known some people who were Wal-Mart greeters or worked at McD’s and unless they gave me attitude, I had no problem sharing a beer with them or singing songs at a holiday party. By the left’s interpretation of American corporate life, I should be pleased as punch that these Tea Parties are happening, because they mean lower taxes for me (and I am), but what I’m equally happy about is to see regular folks tell pseudo-intellectual know-it-alls like yourself to, as the Brits say “Piss off!”.

venividivici on April 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT was the man w/ baby saying that could be considered NOT FAMILY VIEWING?

Perhaps the anchor realized that he wasn’t a gay man with his partner so she couldn’t recognize what a real family was.

I worked for TBS in Atl. for 2 yrs & speak with 1st hand knowledge – CNN YOU are PITIFUL.

poppieseeds on April 15, 2009 at 7:50 PM

And isn’t this what is happening now? Too far too fast? Isn’t this what the whole tea party thing is about? I really think you have two minds.

petunia on April 15, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I think he’s logical enough to see the contradictions, but too emotionally invested in them to do anything about it.

venividivici on April 15, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Dude, as I was reading that post on my smart phone, I said, I bet that’s Doctor Zero. Great post.

venividivici on April 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM

I know, but I just want them to engage me with some sort of coherent argument to their convictions. Even the most ardent leftists have an argument based on their convictions. Hell, sometimes Proud Rino and DTMH at least try to show their side, (but fail miserably). But none of them are. It is showing me just how scared they really are that they will lose whatever they have gained in 06 and 08.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM

The problems there are that there are no convictions in them to start with, and they are unable/unwilling to have a coherent argument.

Midas on April 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Did anyone notice if CNN reported on the pro-amnesty protest at UNC that prevented Representative Tom Tancredo from speaking? Allahpundit has a good post about it here.

I wonder whether a CNN reporter would feel safe wandering through that crowd, debating and mocking the protesters?

Loxodonta on April 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM

And isn’t this what is happening now? Too far too fast? Isn’t this what the whole tea party thing is about? I really think you have two minds.

petunia on April 15, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Well, maybe it’s too much too fast, but lots of economists on both the right and left are forecasting things getting much worse, so it’s like, wouldn’t you rather have the New Deal in 1929 instead of 1936 and skip this whole “Massive Depression” mess?

Anyway, I think that’s kind of the idea here. Head it off at the pass.

If it works, Obama will not get any credit for it, because it will always be private enterprise that gets us out. But if it does work, Obama should get credit for putting things in a position where the market could succeed.

I don’t know if this is right. I don’t know what the answer is, and if anyone tells you they do, they’re lying. But there are valid arguments on all sides.

And I guess my big complaint is, just calling people socialist idiots doesn’t get us anywhere.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM

venividivici on April 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM

+100

uncivilized on April 15, 2009 at 7:55 PM

venividivici on April 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM

You’re part of the problem.

sethstorm on April 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM

she was wrong in her line of questioning. she should have simply asked why all the teabaggers were white. afterall, if this is a ground swell of “grass roots” and not some sponsored event by TV and radio hosts making well over a millions dollars a year, then there should have been 15 or 17 people of color, or hispanic people in these swells of 100 people gatherings. all I see is are white apparently middle class people who can’t even define or recognize a fascist.

Monkei on April 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM

People in industrialized states demand more benefits from governments, and if the Sovereign won’t provide it, then the people will get themselves a new sovereign one way or another. Better a New Deal than a Great Leap Forward.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM

I don’t know if I’m interpreting your statement incorrectly, but your analogy here is horribly wrong. The Great Leap Forward was a government program in China. The New Deal was a government program in the U.S.A. While the Great Leap Forward caused a lot more death than the New Deal, they were both put in place by well established federal governments. Both did not meet their stated goals, and left the governments with more power than they started with.

p40tiger on April 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM

The New Deal turned a recession into the Depression and dragged it out 10 years longer than it would have taken for it to correct itself had free markets been left to correct themselves!

The only way FDR got us out was WWII by turning the economy into a war machine and using our unemployed men as soldiers.

vapig on April 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM

The Depression was at its lowest point in 1933 – when FDR was elected. He couldn’t get major parts of the New Deal passed until the latter part of his term. But from 1933-1940, the unemployment rate went from 30% or so to 10%.

(Estimating and oversimplifying here, I’m aware).

No, it’s not great. But let’s not forget how many countries during that time were collapsing into totalitarianism in large part due to economic failures. Don’t think it was inevitable that we were going to come out of the Great Depression OK just because you know how the story ends.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Good thing that CNN reporter didn’t reach me in the Chicago crowd.

chicagojedi on April 15, 2009 at 7:42 PM

yeah, right … because you probably didn’t know what a fascist was either.

Monkei on April 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM

But that’s ok, because the creation of a massive government spending out of control doesn’t affect you in any way, does it. Or your children or grandchildren? Nah, nothing to see here, just move along.

scalleywag on April 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM

But you blame this on Obama and the democrats? Were you born in 2006? If you can stand up and admit this is a POLITICAL problem from BOTH parties you will have my support. If you blame it on one party and absolve the other party of blame, then you are dead wrong.

Monkei on April 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM

bias > ratings, apparently

thebrokenrattle on April 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM

I know, but I just want them to engage me with some sort of coherent argument to their convictions. Even the most ardent leftists have an argument based on their convictions. Hell, sometimes Proud Rino and DTMH at least try to show their side, (but fail miserably). But none of them are. It is showing me just how scared they really are that they will lose whatever they have gained in 06 and 08.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM

The stink of fear you smell is because they know they’ve gone too far! Obama with his executive orders have stripped away years of republican’s trying to restore Federalism to the socialist policies these hacks have been levying upon an unwilling American population.

The status quo for years has been for republicans to give up a little and democrats to grab all they can. When was the last time a democrat gave anything up for a bill they wanted passed? It has always been republicans that have had to “compromise” on something to get enough democraps on board to pass a bill the public wanted passed (i.e drilling, border fence, etc).

Now that these hacks are in power they know it’s their last chance and they are going for broke: Socialism or Bust! And they’re terrified that the public isn’t having any of it. They fear the beast they’ve stirred! Joe and Jane America has actually skipped work to come out and say what’s on their minds.

But what choice did we have? We’ve bombarded congress with phone calls, emails and letters begging and pleading with them to listen to us! And they’ve clearly shown they have no intention of fulfilling their oath to protect and serve their constituants.

Game on!

vapig on April 15, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Just got back from a teaparty. I was impressed. Small town 200-300 people showed up. The signs were great. A lot of college students,teachers, and ret soldiers.A lot of children and their signs were the best. The vid and pix are on my daughters cam,so it will be a day or two until she can get them uploaded to facebook for all to see,but Im sure there will be plenty of people uploading their vids and pix. The old media is reaping what it has sown, yet it still cannot figure out its responsibility in being the filter for the people. What this lady at CNN did she should be fired for exp after the “tea bagger talk” earlier this week. ObamaZombies…

canditaylor68 on April 15, 2009 at 8:04 PM

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