Quotes of the day

posted at 10:40 pm on April 15, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Some would have you delay exploration and development in the federal offshore of Alaska over concerns related to global warming and its effects in the Arctic. First of all let me make it clear that the State of Alaska understands the effects of climate change in the cryosphere. We Alaskans are living with the changes that you are observing in Washington. The dramatic decreases in the extent of summer sea ice, increased coastal erosion, melting of permafrost, decrease in alpine glaciers and overall ecosystem changes are very real to us.”

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“The source of the greatest tension this year between the Legislature and the executive has been certainly the appearance that the executive is prioritizing her national image, her national brand, over the day-to-day operations of state government and the interests of the State of Alaska.”


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Good for her……good statement.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Good for her……good statement.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Really, remarkable well discussed.

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 10:44 PM

AP, always with his eyes on the prize.

Stephen M on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Nice to see at least one prominent Republican walk back from the denialist brink.

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

remarkably…

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

I forgive her.

joe_doufu on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

…executive is prioritizing her national image…

As a non-Alaskan, I think this statement is crap.

myrenovations on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Sarah, Sarah, we hardly knew ye.

jgapinoy on April 15, 2009 at 10:46 PM

She’s walking on thin ice with me now. Pun intended.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Actually, she affirmed her belief in that hoax during her debate w/ Jolted Joe last year.

jgapinoy on April 15, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Why Sarah?!

Why/1
3ljj

blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM

but, but, um, but… she;’s so stuuuuupid!

cannonball on April 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I can’t support anyone who buys into the “climate change” agenda. If she stays with that position, count me out.

echosyst on April 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Time for some Michael Crichton:

You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There’s been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land.

Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away — all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years.

Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety.

Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It’s powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that’s happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time.

A hundred years ago we didn’t have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can’t imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven’t got the humility to try. We’ve been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we’re gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.

blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM

When my new country secedes, we will maintain relations with Alaska.

Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM

hahahahahaha

strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM

WUWT expects increased Artic ice next year.

INC on April 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM

I heard Palin talking about global warming and the point she made was that even if there has been some warming, there is some doubt as to what extent it was caused by man.

I think the best way to get rid of the global warming hysteria would be to make plain what Obama’s insane cap and trade policy is going to do to energy prices. It is a tax, plain and simple. And it will create a new boondoggle, a new method by which the rich can steal from the poor, new scams and schemes and in the end it will help no one.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Where oh where to put this? Hell, This looks like a good spot

Kinda covers a few topics…..

R D on April 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Personally, I think the global warming hype has started to run its course. For one thing here in Indiana it is as if spring has decided to skip this year.

And the oceans are getting cooler and the sun is less active and the overall temperatures are starting to go down, not up.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Well, Upinak, you called it on the QOTD in the headlines thread.

cs89 on April 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM

The debate is: “is it caused by man?”
The answer is “No”

However, it does afford an opportunity to create a Guyana-like religon, and a market for carbon “credits”.

Sarah is doing fine. (just ask AP)

JoeAvg on April 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM

If I didn’t know it AP I would think you are on the Messiah’s payroll.

No where did Sarah Palin claim that global warming was entirely man-made. She was acknowledging the process, not the cause.

What she did allude to however was Washington’s viewpoint that global warming is 100% made made; that however is not and has never been her position.

technopeasant on April 15, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Mark Sanford:

For the past 20 years, I have seen the ever-so-gradual effects of rising sea levels at our farm on the South Carolina coast. I’ve had to watch once-thriving pine trees die in that fragile zone between uplands and salt marshes. I know the climate change debate isn’t over, but I believe human activity is having a measurable effect on the environment.

Bobby Jindal:

“I think [we should] let the best science decide,” Jindal said when asked his opinion on the global warming debate. “It’s pretty clear to me that the land is sinking, the water’s rising, and that means that we better act today.”

Mitt Romney:

Is global warming an issue for the world? Absolutely. Is it something we can deal with by becoming energy independent and energy secure? We sure can. But at the same time we call it global warming, not America warming. So let’s not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It’s a global effort, but our independence is something we can do unilaterally.

doug1981 on April 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Mark Sanford:

For the past 20 years, I have seen the ever-so-gradual effects of rising sea levels at our farm on the South Carolina coast. I’ve had to watch once-thriving pine trees die in that fragile zone between uplands and salt marshes. I know the climate change debate isn’t over, but I believe human activity is having a measurable effect on the environment.

Bobby Jindal:

“I think [we should] let the best science decide,” Jindal said when asked his opinion on the global warming debate. “It’s pretty clear to me that the land is sinking, the water’s rising, and that means that we better act today.”

Mitt Romney:

Is global warming an issue for the world? Absolutely. Is it something we can deal with by becoming energy independent and energy secure? We sure can. But at the same time we call it global warming, not America warming. So let’s not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It’s a global effort, but our independence is something we can do unilaterally.

alexraye on April 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM

This is more of what Palin said:

Speaking at a hearing before Interior Secretary Ken Salazar — the third of several he is holding across the country to consider renewed oil and gas leasing on the outer continental shelf — Palin said that relatively clean-burning natural gas could supplant dirtier fuels and slow the discharge of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

“We Alaskans are living with the changes that you are observing in Washington,” she said. “The dramatic decreases in the extent of summer sea ice, increased coastal erosion, melting of permafrost, decrease in alpine glaciers and overall ecosystem changes are very real to us.”

In the past, Palin has questioned the science behind predictions of sea ice loss. Her administration sued the federal government to block endangered species protections for polar bears, whose habitat is melting. When she was the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2008, partisan crowds cheered her on by chanting, “Drill, baby, drill.”

But at Tuesday’s hearing, she made it clear that she recognizes the problem of global warming, and she cast energy development as part of the answer. “Stopping domestic energy production of preferred fuels does not solve the issues associated with global warming and threatened or endangered species, but it can make them worse,” she said.

Palin acknowledged that “many believe” a global effort to reduce greenhouse gases is needed.

“Simply waiting for low-carbon-emitting renewable capacity to be large enough will mean that it will be too late to meet the mitigation goals for reducing [carbon dioxide] that will be required under most credible climate-change models,” she warned.

“Meeting these goals will require a dramatic increase . . . to preferred available fuels, including natural gas, that have a very low carbon footprint . . . ,” she said. “These available fuels are required to supply the nation’s energy needs during the transition to green energy alternatives.”

The Interior Department will be looking with interest at new alternative energy prospects across the U.S., Salazar told the more than 1,000 Alaskans at the hearing, but traditional oil and gas will remain part of the energy program.

“I understand the passion I feel in this room today,” he said. “I understand the point of view of people who have subsisted in the fishing industry from time immemorial, and the importance of wanting to maintain that way of life. I understand the sense I hear also from many of the people here that we need to have economic development, we need to have jobs, and oil and gas can be part of that job development.”

Sometimes it is a good idea to keep things in context.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Oh she understands Climate Change so well she even offered a solution!

MODERATOR: “…do you support capping carbon emissions?”
PALIN: “I do. I do.”

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM

The QoD on a day when tens of thousand of protest rallies happened across America? Permafrost and Palin? Really?

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I heard Palin talking about global warming and the point she made was that even if there has been some warming, there is some doubt as to what extent it was caused by man.

Baby steps in the right direction are still a good thing, Terrye. It was only a few years ago that denialists insisted there wasn’t any warming at all.

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Sorry to see Gov. Palin parroting the Alarmist AGW litany, which is so clearly false. Arctic sea ice is increasing, the polar bears are fine, and global temperatures are decreasing. See here,

“Third Year Arctic Ice Will Increase Next Year”

and many other posts on Anthony Watts’s excellent web site.

MrLynn on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life.

blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Excellent post as always………….

……… keep this in mind when the EPA gives it’s ruling tomorrow that it is illegal for us to breath.

Seven Percent Solution on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

I heard Palin talking about global warming and the point she made was that even if there has been some warming, there is some doubt as to what extent it was caused by man.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Actually, read the complete text. It’s not clear that she doubts anthropogenic warming.

It sort of put me off, until I realized that her entire statement was a brilliant, and shrewd, chess play for her state.

I’m convinced now that she is an exceptional politician.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

“We Alaskans are living with the changes that you are observing in Washington. The dramatic decreases in the extent of summer sea ice, increased coastal erosion, melting of permafrost, decrease in alpine glaciers and overall ecosystem changes are very real to us.”

I’ll go out on a limb and say that most of us reading this thread don’t live in AK. The observations she reports about the climate up there are probably obvious to anyone that looks. To describe things that she sees does not make her an enviro-nut. She’s not saying that this climate change is man made. Just that it exists. One can believe that the climate changes and that those changes affect man and at the same time believe that man has not caused the climate change. Let’s not go crazy and call her a moonbat just because she says that she’s observed climate changes over her lifetime.

BrianBoru on April 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM

If Sarah changed her position you would call her a flip-flopper.

technopeasant on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

alexraye:

The thing is that process can change as quickly as it began. Our lifetimes are nothing in regards to history and too many people seek a normal, and there might not be one. There was a time when there were no polar caps, the average temp was over 60 degrees. We see changes in a decade or two and we think this is forever. In fact in the last few years there has been no global warming to speak of..and some people say it is beginning to go the other way.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Let’s not go crazy and call her a moonbat just because she says that she’s observed climate changes over her lifetime.

How old is she? ROFLMAO!!

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

She’s got potential, Salty. Mostly, I think she’s timing this right.

Talk about anything but do talk now.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Every time this woman speaks, she confuses herself even more.

pcpower1 on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Nice to see at least one prominent Republican walk back from the denialist brink.

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Yeah, except if you read it she says nothing of what AP intoned.

R D on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

If Sarah changed her position you would call her a flip-flopper.

technopeasant on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

What? I thought she was trying to be like Obama.

Obama: “Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates to Skyrocket” (Video) (3min)

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I heard her in the Couric interview say the same thing, just not as strongly.

My take on it then was that she was having to watch herself. It was, afterall, McCain’s campaign.

That was his position.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life.

blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Excellent post as always………….

……… keep this in mind when the EPA gives it’s ruling tomorrow that it is illegal for us to breath.

Seven Percent Solution on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

LOL!

Supreme Court Upholds EPA Decision That O2 is a Pollutant

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Well this is just effin great; I attend to my shop for a few days and take a break from HA, only to come back to a Palin thread infested with the usual leftiest troll morons.

On tax day, of all days, THIS is the QOTD?

Ugh…maybe I need to spend more time away.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Big surprise that this is the QOTD.
Allah, since you failed to respond to me in the headlines thread, please take this opportunity.

I have no issue with the news article. The calculating way it was posted is what bothers me.

For lazy people who don’t read the article and just see the headline and skim the quotes, this paints a deceiving picture. carbon_footprint

Pure nonsense, and yet another example of Palin fans using a ridiculously high standard for items about her that they don’t use for anyone else. The headline’s perfectly accurate. She didn’t say she believes in man-made global warming, just global warming, and given how prominent the issue is on the right, I shouldn’t have to hold your hand in explaining the difference. But it’s still noteworthy that she accepts global warming, whatever the cause, since even we at HA are quick to trumpet articles showing that the earth has actually cooled over the last 10 years, etc. In other words, there are two questions at issue: (1) Is the earth in fact warming, and (2) if it is, is man the cause? Palin obviously answers yes to the first.

Allahpundit on April 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Pure nonsense, and yet another example of Palin fans using a ridiculously high standard for items about her that they don’t use for anyone else.

In your opinion it is pure nonsense. I’m not the only one here who sees your blatant blog-engineering in order to, either, forward your post traffic or push readers to follow your politics. It is crystal clear even when not coupled with your history of anti-Palin, anti-Rush or anti-Beck posts. You may not be aware of it or care, but you are embarrassing yourself to many here who hold these conservatives in high regard.

The headline’s perfectly accurate. She didn’t say she believes in man-made global warming, just global warming, and given how prominent the issue is on the right, I shouldn’t have to hold your hand in explaining the difference.

Accurate but misleading. I would love to see what headline you would have written had this been the same story involving a candidate that you don’t go out of your way to put in an ill light.
You don’t have to hold my hand; I’m just worried about those who, either, don’t have time to read the article or those who are lazy readers.

But it’s still noteworthy that she accepts global warming, whatever the cause, since even we at HA are quick to trumpet articles showing that the earth has actually cooled over the last 10 years, etc. In other words, there are two questions at issue: (1) Is the earth in fact warming, and (2) if it is, is man the cause? Palin obviously answers yes to the first.

It is also noteworthy that you chose to leave out certain quotes in the article, such as:

Palin acknowledged that “many believe” a global effort to reduce greenhouse gases is needed.

And:
“Meeting these goals will require a dramatic increase, in the very near term, to preferred available fuels—including natural gas—that have a very low carbon footprint,” she said. “These available fuels are required to supply the nation’s energy needs during the transition to green energy alternatives.”

You are assuming that your Hot Air readership actually read articles to headline posts. Perhaps most do, but many jump to conclusions by skimming the quotes that you handpick and miss the crux of the story. Anyone who reads the article will see the angle that Palin is trying to further the interest in natural gas production to help her state’s economy. The fact that Palin was quoted in the article as saying “many believe” a global effort to reduce greenhouse gases is needed. proves to me that she does not unconditionally buy into the man-made global warming theory. I know you are not a journalist AP, but your craftsmanship with this post puts you in the same league as the other AP.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM

And before any of you Allahpundit apologists attack me, please understand that I am entitled to my opinion just as you are.

Allah, I really do like you but this post in the headlines distressed me. I sincerely feel that you are undermining and mocking a lot of conservative giants and thus, are alienating many of us. I realize that you probably don’t care but it needed to be said.

On another note, I am respectful that you allow this type of dissent and don’t just ban those who oppose your views. Kudos for that.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Saltysman:

It could be that she believes man has some effect, but that the trend itself is natural. I think it is possible that a lot of things could have some effect. But I also think that change is a constant.

It has been very cool here this spring and today someone said that experts were saying the cool temps and cloudy skies might have something to do with Redoubt erupting in Alaska.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Aw, has this Palin melted Allah’s glacial heart just a little bit?

SouthernGent on April 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Admitting there is a problem is a good first step.

The solution for the economy and this issue is green energy not more drilling silly.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Poptech take your hand lotion and kleenex to another blog.

I realize that a Palin thread is just too enticing

Jamson64 on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

No where did Sarah Palin claim that global warming was entirely man-made. She was acknowledging the process, not the cause.

The problem is she made a political statement that did not lay out EXACTLY where she stands. And if there is a “stance” in that statement – it is saying that she believes in man-made global warming.

And sadly – most major Republicans (all?) have made similar statements. This puts Palin in a class equal with them – when she should be above them. And that is the problem I’m now having with her – and I have been one of the biggest Palin defenders on this blog.

Now – the fact that all the Republicans pay weak homage to the Church of Global Warming – is just one more data point that the nails are in the coffin of the GOP.

Look at the Tea Parties today – they were not a boon for Republicans. Everyone at the Parties was saying “What’s next?” every time the GOP was brought up.

Republican party is dead. RIP. This is what happens when a party strays from it’s principles. It pays with it’s life.

The one thing I admire the Democratic party for is they have their principles (however fascistic they are) – and they stick with them. Unbelievable what Obama has accomplished for his side in only 100 days. Unbelievable. And the whole US is sunk for it.

Bravo … Bravo.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Allah:

I think you are missing the point. I have seen articles that say the earth’s temp is starting to cool, however that does not mean that there was no warming for some time. And it does not mean it can not begin again. The idea is that there is no normal temperature at all. The earth has its own cycles.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

That was one cherry-picked quote, right there.

Rhinoboy on April 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Admitting there is a problem is a good first step.

The solution for the economy and this issue is green energy not more drilling silly.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Yeah we need more 40 mile range electric cars! And after that – electric planes! No … wait … SOLAR PLANES!

But by God – no nukes y’heah?

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Just don’t cast any negative aspersions upon Mrs. Barack Hussein Obowa and you will be fine.

Any comments that go beyond mentioning her fantasically toned arms or stunning fashion choices are off limits.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Why Sarah?!

Why/1
3ljj

blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Hitting the Jagermeister tonight?

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Good Lord, read this on the top of HuffPo:

New York Times:

WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, according to government officials.

The comment section is great, very entertaining. All we get on this channel is the Sarah and Meghan shows.

Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Honda:

Maybe she did not lay out a policy as to exactly where she stands, because she wants to understand the issue better.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

The solution for the economy and this issue is green energy not more drilling silly.

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

getalife on April 15, 2009 at 11:07 PM

The economic illiterate appears.

Let’s Get Real About Renewable Energy (The Wall Street Journal)
The Fallacy of ‘Green Jobs’ (John Stossel)

getalife not only does not understand economics he is clueless on energy, much like Palin.

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Her testimony to the Interior secretary was not about global warming … it was about offshore drilling!

Good grief, she is using the language and beliefs of the Obama administration to push for more natural gas exploration WHICH HER STATE’S ECONOMY DEPENDS ON.

holy toledo.

joey24007 on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I think you misunderstood my point.

Read carbon_footprint’s post above.

He nails it, and details it much better than my feeble attempt.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Sooooo…….??????

Are you restricted from going back there?

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM

My sense of my crowd was that they are simply disgusted with professional politicians, of either ilk.

I wouldn’t have wanted to be a Republican politician at our party. LOL*

Course, in CA we’re furious with them, too.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM

I think you are missing the point. I have seen articles that say the earth’s temp is starting to cool, however that does not mean that there was no warming for some time. And it does not mean it can not begin again. The idea is that there is no normal temperature at all. The earth has its own cycles.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Global Cooling in 2008

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Allah:

I think you are missing the point. I have seen articles that say the earth’s temp is starting to cool, however that does not mean that there was no warming for some time. And it does not mean it can not begin again. The idea is that there is no normal temperature at all. The earth has its own cycles.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Correct … and the Argos buoy data collected over the last decade indicates the oceans, if anything, are cooling. And by the way – the oceans have to heat up in order to sustain and cause this chain reaction of Global Warming the lefties are frenetically predicting.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 11:13 PM

getalife:

jobs jobs jobs my behind. I have been listening to Al Gore for years and thus far he still uses more electricity than some English villages. Literally. It makes it rather hard to take it all seriously when the people who promote global warming the most, use the most energy.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Marcus, that’s an old story. There was something on TV recently.

Fascinating story.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM

She’s been mentioning “climate change” since well before she was asked to be a VP candidate. As I linked in the headlines page, she had an op-ed in the NYT mentioning it- while explaining why she was suing the EPA to prevent the listing of the polar bear due to danger from “global warming.”

I’ll again ask AP to use context, as he urged us to do in the “McCain snub” thread. She has never said she is convinced climate change is clearly due to human activity, and her focus in this speech was on building a case for OCS drilling.

AP knows where the hits are. Even on “Tea Party” day, he links a controversial Palin QOTD.

Must be because she doesn’t attract any attention, or have any chance of winning in 2012.
/sarc

cs89 on April 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Able to guzzle more energy than dozens of normal men! Producing more hot air than a locomotive! Able to pile up carbon credits higher than a tall building in a single bound!!!

Look UP in the sky! It’s ChickenLittle! It’s FlyingSnakeOilSalesman! It’s the Sultan of Hanging Chads! It’s the Ayatollah of Heat! No, it’s CarbonMan in a private jet painted green! And now following in the tradition of other great men such as Jimmy Carter and Yasir Arafat, he is the proud recipient of a Nobel Prize!!!

CarbonMan, strange visitor from an alternate reality who came to Earth with claims and scary predictions far beyond those of sane men, disguised as Fat Albert, and now joined by other members of the Royal GreenLeague such as BioFuelHummerMan, EcoCleaningWoman and ThinIceGal, they all fight a never ending battle for science-fiction, hypocrisy, lunacy and the Hollywood way!

MB4 on April 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I’m convinced now that she is an exceptional politician.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM

She certainly is, and that’s the key. I dont know what Palin really thinks about the whole global warming thing in its entirety, but there is also a game to be played. I believe the context of the quote is pro-exploration and development of energy resources. The last part is what we’ll remember when gas climbs back up to near $4 per gallon.

ddrintn on April 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM

All this worry over a magnetic pole flip…sheesh.

canditaylor68 on April 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Well this is just effin great; I attend to my shop for a few days and take a break from HA, only to come back to a Palin thread infested with the usual leftiest troll morons.

On tax day, of all days, THIS is the QOTD?

Ugh…maybe I need to spend more time away.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

This thread is nothing compared to the rest of them Bishop. The trolls have gone nuts here today with the usual copy, paste, insults and name calling.

It’s old, it’s tired and now it’s become boring and big joke on other sites where this crap does not go on.

Knucklehead on April 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM

The comment section is great, very entertaining. All we get on this channel is the Sarah and Meghan shows.
Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

HA has its own little polarization project going on with Sarah Palin and AP knows it.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Ann:

Well it might help if the people of California would change the legislature there. I know Arnold is not exactly a fiscal conservative, but when he first got in office and tried to make some chances he got no help from the state legislature and the people just keep putting those folks back in there.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Good grief, she is using the language and beliefs of the Obama administration to push for more natural gas exploration WHICH HER STATE’S ECONOMY DEPENDS ON.

holy toledo.

joey24007 on April 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM

You’re serious? Well if that is what she believes, she’s worse than I thought she was. She’ll get no authorization to drill for ANYTHING … ANYWHERE from the Obama administration.

No matter how deeply she bows to their … language … sensitivities.

Her best hope for Alaska is to get this administration out of power. I’m now doubting she has the “umph” to lead the effort.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

How old is she? ROFLMAO!!

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM

She’s 45 and that’s the point. If she’s observed, for example, thawed permafrost that had been frozen for thousands of years until now she might think that there is some climate change going on. If Alaskans can observe thawing permafrost and their Gov. won’t acknowledge that it exists she won’t have much credibility with them.

BrianBoru on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Climate science is in its infancy. A politician that preaches anything but healthy skepticism of anthropomorphic global warming is making a serious mistake.

Science isn’t about “consensus.” Science is about falsifiable theories that can be tested. The “theory” concerning anthropomorphic climate change is a bad theory because those who advocate it do not accept any scenario where it can be proven false. If it gets hotter it’s anthropomorphic climate change. If it gets colder it was triggered by anthropomorphic climate change and they are sure it is temporary and warming will return stronger than ever later. This is BAD scientific theory. Those who follow the religion of anthropomorphic climate change need to familiarize themselves with Karl Popper & Scientific Theory 101.

Stickeehands on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Having gone through all this in the headline thread about Palin’s statement, I am bothered by Gov. Palin’s pandering to the anthropogenic catastrophic global warming crowd – and I hope that it is just pandering. She does not come out and say that she subscribes to that view (as I had somewhat incorrectly argued in the headlines), but she goes so far as to call some of the climate models “credible”, including the IIPC’s. I think that this little bit, by itself, cedes most of the ground to the lunatics. One would think, after having experienced the sudden, and massive, break of the credit crisis in October – which no econometric models had predicted (so far as I have ever heard) – that models of these complex systems would have fallen into general disrepute with all rational people. This part bothers me greatly.

We can look at her description of the environment in Alaska as nothing more than throwing a bone to those who are screaming that this is all Man’s doing, but that she doesn’t draw any explicit delineation between that and our use of fossil fuels leaves the impression that she is happy to tie the two together, even if it is only a sales pitch for her natural gas pipeline. I cannot tell from her statement.

Personally, I would like to hear her directly address the idea of Anthropogenic Global Warming to straighten this all out. I am getting a strong feeling that she holds McCain’s view of all this and I haven’t any information to really dismiss this.

I don’t like anyone allowing the lunatic global warmers to even think that their ideas merit any consideration in determining our economic policies. We have all seen how they would crush our economy if they could. The Precedent, himself, was only too gleeful to talk about how he was going to bankrupt the coal industry, and we see from the fact that they won’t even consider nuclear energy that they really don’t even care about anything other than fulfilling their fantasies with our nation. These are very dangerous people and to even humor them (as can be the best interpretation of Gov. Palin’s remarks) is to feed the alligator.

I was irked when Palin said about the same sort of stuff back when she unveiled her program for local green energy sources for communities in Alaska and this statement hits me in about the same place. If Palin really believe that manmade global warming is a hoax, then I don’t see why she would never just state that, since the cost of the warmers’ policies on this nation would be, themselves, catastrophic.

progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I believe in climate change. I dont believe in the “global warnming” hoax…some of us know the difference… Palin obviously knows the differnce…

CCRWM on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Knucklehead:

Do you think it would help to complain about the infestation?

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

I listened to Palin on drilling and the gasline project, and it was clear that she’s miles ahead of everyone on this topic. That’s her forte. I assumed she had to have considered the impact on environment, which is why her answers lined up with McCain and came out sounding stilted.

The left jumped and said she was a creationist, yadda, yadda. That didn’t make sense. This is a woman raised by a science teacher and, clearly, she has an affinity for those issues.

It just made more sense that she was being grilled on something McCain wasn’t all that strong on. His policy positions weren’t well developed, which showed in his debate.

Anyway, we’ll see how she does. There were several areas that I didn’t feel she was all that up on, herself.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

For those unable or unwilling to understand, Palin clearly said Alaska was warming and that using fuels with a lower carbon output, such as natural gas, was a good idea. That implies she thinks human activity does make a difference in terms of the amount of warming that is current occuring and can be expected to continue in the near future. Whether Palin is couching her words so as to not make denialist heads explode is another matter, but the meaning of her words is quite clear anyway.

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

pcpower1 on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Mark Sanford:

For the past 20 years, I have seen the ever-so-gradual effects of rising sea levels at our farm on the South Carolina coast. I’ve had to watch once-thriving pine trees die in that fragile zone between uplands and salt marshes. I know the climate change debate isn’t over, but I believe human activity is having a measurable effect on the environment.

TimeTraveler on April 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM

progressoverpeace:

If you actually read the text, she is not pandering.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Well, I was making the point maybe this channel would get more viewers if it wasn’t always the Sarah Show with special guest star PopTech. I mean, I just saw the premier this morning and it’s already being re-run.

Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM

…executive is prioritizing her national image…

No from what I can see Sarah Palin is dealing with a legislature that is determined to cause trouble (no matter how petty) for the Governor and undermine her national image for purely party based ideological reasons just like they did during the campaign. Its like adult in a position of authority having to deal with a pack of spoilt unruly children.

Dreadnought223 on April 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Global Cooling in 2008

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Nice link. I knew you were good for something.

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Terrye….we voted in term limits. What else? *shrug*

He’s out pushing some stupid tax proposal now to extend the tax hikes for 3 years. Some of those idiotic Republicans are actually pushing it, too. Can you believe the stupidity?

I bet they are all getting drunk tonight after seeing the turnouts out here today. :)

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Good Grief … don’t you see that she is using the Obama administration’s words against them?

She is saying that natural gas is the answer to their concerns … her state has huge deposits of natural gas, she is trying to build TWO gas pipelines!

Can’t you see what she is doing?

Is it that hard really to understand what her testimony was all about?

If the Obama administration is concerned about global warming, they should encourage natural gas exploration.

With oil reserves being depleted in Alaska … they need to develop natural gas to sustain the economy!

SHE IS THE GOVERNOR OF ALASKA and she is looking out for her state.

wow

just wow

joey24007 on April 15, 2009 at 11:20 PM

HA has its own little polarization project going on with Sarah Palin and AP knows it.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Other than special events like the Tea Parties and the Somali pirate situation, the two sure-fire comment magnets on this site are Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, in that order.

ddrintn on April 15, 2009 at 11:20 PM

starfleet:

I read the text, I know what she said. I think the thing you and folks like you keep missing is that just because some people might believe there is some change in the climate, it does not follow that they think it is all man made.

I don’t. And I think that if we tried to stop the use of fossil fuels, the Chinese and the Indians would more than make up the difference.

The point to the article if you bother to read it, is that using natural gas is a good thing.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Global Warming in Alaska…

Life At Negative 78 Degrees In Alaska (NPR, January 9, 2009)

Poptech on April 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Marcus on April 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Well, I guess you’re right in regards to the trolls. But until the site decides to moderate like the lefty sites or ban hammer them like the lefty sites, the trolls are a fact of life on HA.

hawkdriver on April 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Al could soon BE an English village if he continues to spread out.

jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I get through on the progressive blog, usually faster than the usual crew that plays the role of insulting people. :)

It drives them nuts that my posts get through faster.

AnninCA on April 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Terrye, why is using natural gas a good thing then? By the logic of Palin’s text, it’s clear that it’s to help reduce global warming. That implies in no uncertain terms that human activity does affect the Earth’s climate.

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM

That’s not the worst of it…………

……….. we voted you to comment in the “Green Room“.

Seven Percent Solution on April 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM

No one knows what the hell is going on with the planet’s weather. One year it’s hot, the other cool.
Sarah is trying to suck up to these kooky leftists to get the Alaskan Pipeline up and running. She is trying to say drilling is safe.
Which is not only beneficial for Alaska’s economy, but for the lower 48 to get the prices of gas down.

Also, the NY Slimes article is trying to paint the liberals as poor little lambs being slaughtered by a mean Sarah. Awww.
I like Sarah being feisty. These liberal jerks are trying to roll over her and she is having none of it. Good for her. She shouldn’t take any crap.

jencab on April 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM

So what you’re saying is that Sarah Palin isn’t the perfect candidate for all people, that general supporters may have differences with her on certain issues? My God.

Now if we could just get Obowa’s frothy, glaze-eyed supporters to hit him over his current backtracking on everything from wiretaps to the wars, we might make some real progress. Hehehe, like that will ever happen.

Bishop on April 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM

starfleet_dude on April 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Natural gas is a good thing because Alaska has a lot of it!!!!!

DUH!

buy a clue please

joey24007 on April 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM

doug1981 on April 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM

alexraye on April 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Wow! You two guys are really on the same wavelength tonight! Other than formatting the section titles, your posts are word for word identical!

If two different people came up with exactly the same thoughts mere seconds apart, there’s no WAY I’m going to argue against your point!

Sock it to me.

Mr Michael on April 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM

If you actually read the text, she is not pandering.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM

I read her entire statement (not the article, but her actual statement). If she isn’t pandering to the global warming freaks, then she is with them. Take your pick. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt by assuming/hoping that this is pandering.

progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM

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