More CNN: Roesgen interviews protester who calls Obama a fascist
posted at 5:37 pm on April 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
Turns out the TV Newser clip I posted earlier picked up halfway through the segment. Here’s the full segment, replete with crack reporter Susan Roesgen naturally gravitating towards the guy holding a poster with a Hitler/Obama photoshop on it. Golly, who would have thought the media would single out the kookiest kids in the crowd in order to paint the whole movement as some sort of nascent militia — especially hot on the heels of DHS’s heavy breathing about right-wing extremists? Oh, right: Everyone. The boss called it 10 days ago:
For the next 9 days, the left-wing blogosphere and left-wing clueless pundits will hammer away with their unreality-based Tea Party smears…
It’s already happened once before — at the Denver anti-porkulus rally last month, when the Media Matters/Daily Kos crowd shifted media attention away from the policy message by manufacturing fake outrage about some stunt-puller who showed up with a sign comparing Obama to Hitler that I didn’t see and asked for a picture. The local newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News, took the bait…
Another tack: As Beckel signaled, leftists are going to use fear-mongering to paint mainstream taxpayers who believe in the Second Amendment, the Constitution, limited government, low taxes, and fiscal responsibility as fringe wackos. They have already exploited the Binghamton and Pittsburgh shooting sprees for political gain. They have no shame. Be prepared. Confront them with their own rank hypocrisy and unhingedness. Don’t get distracted. And don’t let your local media get away with lazily recycling their smears.
And sure enough, here’s Roesgen following the playbook to the letter. Shep Smith took a swipe at her on FNC, but he wasn’t nearly as harsh as this deserves. If Fox wants revenge, they need to follow Zombie’s lead and start sending people out to cover anti-war protests in the Bay Area — taking special care, of course, to give lots of air time to the most degenerate members of the bunch, like this turd here, so that viewers think he’s representative. Fire with fire.
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kk, O Hotair commentariat.
Simple solution.
Just have Foxnews interview-on-air some of those “bipartisans” you are claiming are in attendance. Throw in some asian, hispanic, and black faces.
And some people from the youth demographic that aren’t skinheads.
lol
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM
No, Obama isn’t a Marxist. He is a European socialist (<– lower case ‘s’) whose views were probably influenced by Marxist ideology to some extent.
Why do we always have to use such ridiculous hyperbole?
DaveS on April 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Allah,
According to Robert O Paxton, Facism is:
“a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”
Obama is not a Fascist. His policies so far have dabbled in Social interventionism,Abortion, eugenics and euthanasia,& Social welfare which are all heavily weighed into socialism & fascism. He is not there yet,but you have to see he is a latent socialist at best. The stupid picture of him as Hitler the protester had was idiotic.
portlandon on April 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM
fire with fire my butt…. you throw a stick at me, I shoot you( figuratively)…. that’s the equation I believe in. You make sure no one wants to even attempt to hurt you.
MNDavenotPC on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM
The reason some righties are eager to call him a fascist is because he called for national service with a budget larger then the Pentagon. You may be right he’s a statist, but that first conjures up the brownshirts, not LBJ. Here’s the truth: that scared some people. Not just your ajones types.
You may be right, that this is not a hill worth fighting over; I’m ambivalent. I think language is important, but it’s bad ground.
Spirit of 1776 on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM
I don’t believe it’s possible for him to do so without completely shredding our Constitution first and pulling a Hugo Chavez, president for life. So long as we are a Republic, he simply won’t have the power, no matter how hard he tries, if he tries.
That report is more of a smear job of conservatives than a threat to your freedom. Yes, it’s a bad sign, but that’s about it so far.
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM
HA! More pathetic flailing from the failing. I wish she’d have asked me that “why is Obama a fascist” question. That was a live shot, and that would have been a jaw-dropper for the four people watching.
marklmail on April 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Strange,
Yes, because we know, by definition, anyone who has dark skin desires to pay hire taxes.
TTheoLogan on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM
from Websters…
The Bold is were we are, the emphasis is were wer are going.
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Oh I dunno about that… Obama calling right wing groups a threat to national security is getting pretty darn close for comfort.
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM
The left is autoritarian by definition, so Obama may be defined as a Fascist – aka a person with Fascist[ic] views. He’s not a Fascist ruler though, because of the present political system in the Republic.
Aristotle on April 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Allah what about GM & Chrysler? It’s looking pretty close to fascist.
PappaMac on April 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM
It was hyperbole until Obama took over GM and threatened to do the same with financial institutions.
Now it’s fact.
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM
TTheoLogan on April 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Look……can’t you produce some bipartisans? You have Fox by the shorthairs, you can get them airtime.
Are there any?
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Goldberg’s original title for his book was Liberal Fascism: The Totalitarian Temptation from Mussolini to Hillary Clinton
I guess Hillary Clinton is not part of “modern liberalism”? Sorry, but calling Obama’s policies “facist” is correct and prudent imho.
Norwegian on April 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Agreed, Esth.
“Statist” is the best term right now.
blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 6:19 PM
This is a stupid question. Of course there are. It’s not just partisan Republicans who are upset about the spending and bailouts.
And the same was true of the war. There were Republicans out protesting as well. Why are you trying to make such a thing out of this? Surely you have a better argument?
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Wrong. Again. The problem is that the conservatives inthis country don’t have bumpersticker slogans that explain complex issues like the left. However, the guy calling Obama a fascist should have said he’s a Marxist with anti-semitic views. If asked why, the simple explanation for that ignorant reporter would have been to say the Obama believes economic issues and specifically capitalism are the root cause of of poverty and unemployment. As for anti-semitism, Obama’s had numerous remarks about putting pressure on Israel and none on the Palestinians.
In short conservatives need better spokesmen and women. Especially when the MSM is near. Most of these people work for a living and are not professional activists like on the left.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM
I spoke to that gentleman for a while and took his photo.
He didn’t seem that extreme to me.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Obama didn’t “take over” GM and financial institutions. They got something in exchange for doing some things.
DaveS on April 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM
The funniest part was when she tried to console the guy by telling him that Illinois was going to get 50 billion dollars worth of other peoples money and he was eligible to receive four hundred dollars of it . Talk about clueless.
dave264 on April 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Read again please. I argued that, according to Payne’s criteria, he possesses fascistic tendencies. It is my hope that the people will be able to curb those tendencies.
Matt Helm on April 15, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Umm should we change the Democrats name?
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Ask him if he thinks Obama’s a fascist.
mail to: JonahNRO@gmail.com
SteveMG on April 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM
The media is a scorpion.
You can’t blame them for sensationalism.
But you can fight back at their portrayal of you.
Put some bipartisan liberals and minorities and young people on Fox.
Use your pulpit.
Alternatively……
Show ‘em or fold ‘em and admit this is purely partisan.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM
You just witnessed the consequence of giving Katie Couric an award for excellence in corporate propaganda in service of The One. Now we have an Army of Courics lined up to lick the boots of Il Douche.
econavenger on April 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Eh, he all but took over the company.
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Here are 10 reasons that Obama is a Fascist:
1)Obama’s desire to criminalize political dissent (if he could) or marginalize dissenters as ‘extremists’ or ‘enemies of the state’
2)The firing of the head of GM and the purposed takeover of major sectors of the financial economy including banks and life insurance companies and deciding whether a company can declare bankruptcy or not and telling producers what kind of products they must produce by passing onerous laws such as cap and trade and telling people how they should live or what they can buy in a glorified nanny state
3)accusing business leaders of being the primary cause of the financial meltdown and economic crisis and treating them as bogeymen
4)Obama is the only thing standing in the way of ‘pitchforks’; the presence of a powerful leader to maintain law and order rather than relying on the rule of law (Hitler perpetrated the same strategy on the German people by citing the Jews and the Communists as a threat to personal and national security)
5)the Messiah complex that inspires blind loyalty and stirs up embittered hostility towards smashing the political opposition and utterly destroying it
6) the use of the power of government to orchestrate the destruction of private individuals (Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin); does any one doubt if not for the Constitution Obama would make their lives far more precarious and throw the full force of government into taking them down
7)the desire to undermine personal initiative and independent freethinking creativity and replace it with the production and distribution edicts of czars and the majority of individuals being completely dependent on government handouts and instructions and becoming as Mark Levin says ‘drones’
8) the use of Goebbel’s big lie and his propaganda techniques to undermine and destroy the credibility of the opposition. Alinsky’s views on taking out one’s political opponents is just updating Goebbels to the broadcast technology of today and just adds more fuel to the fire.
9)The MSM being in complete agreement and harmony with Obama’s agenda and acting as if its journalists and pundits are on the ogvernment payroll acting as spokesmen for or disciples of the Messiah
10)an orchestrated effort by Obama to diminish the role of God in the life of the nation (America is not a Judeo-Christian nation) and replace it with a false goal of a secular Utopia or a uncompromising faith in secular solutions and encouraging its citizens to live casually by indulging their insatiable appetites and becoming increasingly amoral and Narcissistic
Those who do not want to label Obama a Fascist are simply burying their heads in the sand.
What more proof do you need: when Obama establishes his own private army, when he takes away your guns or when he erects detention camps and concentration camps to house ‘right-wing’ extremists’ such as those tens of thousands who attended the tea parties today.
technopeasant on April 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Don’t mess with the bear, you’ll get bit…..don’t plop down your side of the argument if you don’t want to discuss it.
BTW, don’t have time to put down the hammer on kitty-killing trolls, either, allah?
HornetSting on April 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM
the US Government Motors warranties are far better than the old Soviet car warranties. Plus the little paper floor mats the service center leaves in there will cost the government $115 each. The Soviets NEVER put paper down. Communists.
portlandon on April 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM
“Because he is”.
This is why winning against a con argument is so easy.
getalife on April 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM
And you would know how?
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Show ‘em or fold ‘em and admit this is purely partisan.
And admit that the “fascist!!!” argument is all you got.
Then show meh.
Show America.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM
In this country, you cannot trade away your rights.
Either way it doesn’t change the fact that government is now controlling industry for government gain.
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM
How would you know?
portlandon on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I don’t recall ever seeing a post longer than one or two lines from you, which is hardly the basis on which to crow about winning arguments.
DrMagnolias on April 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Brief and to the point.
I am undefeated.
getalife on April 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Clinton, Albright, Bush, Rice, Baker and the entire State Department have done exactly that countless times. You’re going to have to demonstrate that Obama meets a more tightly-worded definition of anti-semitism than that.
aengus on April 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM
I will stipulate that it is a stupid answer. But judging an entire group of people by one member is…what’s the phrase…f-ckin’ stupid too. No? In liberal speak its not multiculturally sensitive.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM
If Obama uses taxpayer money to bail out General Motors, then fires its CEO, then breaks it up into “good GM” (to make cars) and “bad GM” (to go bankrupt and pay off the UAW at taxpayer expense), is this not fascism? Or is it “only” socialism?
If the protester compared Obama with Hitler, then he should have called Obama a socialist, because Hitler was head of the National Socialist Worker’s Party.
But, maybe Hitler was too politically incorrect. The protester should have used a different German: Karl Marx.
Steve Z on April 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Huffington Post
William Amos on April 15, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I have seen many nonsense posts by you. None of which won any argument. You are totally defeated in my humble opinion.
petunia on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM
My choices were a tersely worded post/email or banging my head against the wall, neither were satisfying, only one was less painful.
Cindy Munford on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM
All this vapid marxist/socialist/fascist blathering puts you teabaggers on a par with the birthers and freedom fries fanatics.
benny shakar on April 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Brief and to the point: “Because he is”
Interviewee wins using the getalife method of judging the winner and loser of an arguement.
thomasaur on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
If you can’t read the countless articles showing bipartisan anger at the bailouts, then how am I supposed to prove it to you?
Again, this one is obvious. For you to make this your rallying cry, is beyond ridiculous.
Or just delusional.
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
What I posted was a general opinion, not a strictly logical argument. It was conversational, not oriented towards being a proof – as I left out the specifics. Read it again and try to use your brain this time.
Bush had quite a lot of power given to him, because it was war. The Precedent has much much more, given the insane Congress and all the bribe money flowing out of Washington to get control of everything possible. In the end, it came down a matter of trusting the person with that power. We trust the captains of nuclear subs with having more power than most of the armed forces of the world. So? Does that mean that you pull out that moronic argument when we get a rogue captain who starts abusing that power like no ones business.
Bush used his lesser powers on terrorists, while The Precedent has enjoyed using his powers on the US and US citizens. As to the terrorists (who no longer exist under this administration, as they are just causers of man-caused disasters) he’s busy letting all of them go and tying our hands from dealing with them in the future.
Whatever. You’re obviously too smart for me …
progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
LOL…how can you be undefeated when you won’t even suit up?
Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
You’re the only teabagger I see here, bunny shaker.
HornetSting on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
I disagree.
Just change the name to gop news.
getalife on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
“Brief and to the point” is always laudable, however, the point must be discernible, and something resembling logic and reason must be within sight.
DrMagnolias on April 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM
O Creator of Worlds, O Munificent! O Sublime!
Are the teaparties bipartisan?
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
It’s all semantics. According to the proper defintion of facism, Obama clearly has facist tendencies, especially in terms of economic policy.
But not according to Allah’s definition of facism, which I suspect has been corrupted and simplified by pop culture, in which “facism” is limited to some B-movie caricature of Benito Mussolini.
Norwegian on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Sigh…some of you (including AllahPundit who thinks he understands fascism) really need to educate yourselves. Calling Obama a fascist isn’t crazy at all; we’re not quite there yet, but a lot of parallels between him and other fascist leaders and societies in the past are eerily present. Hey AllahPundit, would you agree or disagree with me saying fascism was already here in America under Woodrow Wilson and FDR? I also find it funny that your definition of fascism is defined by how others *think* it is, i.e. Hitlerian militarism/genocide/etc. The rest of us aren’t so keen on accepting the left’s premises and definitions on what things are; indeed, that’s partly why we’re in this situation, because the truth doesn’t matter, just what leftists say it is.
Patriot33 on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
I love the way the idiot reporter personifies characters from Ann Coulter’s Guilty and plays the “victim” by complaining that the rally is “anti-CNN” (which is like waaay worse than being anti-American, fer sure).
As for the dopey Nazi, what about this tool who thinks he’s exposed a “dirty little secret” about Limbaugh, and refers to stations who carry him as “”Reichstag Radio” and “Sieg Heil on Your Dial”? Arianna Huffington was unavailable for comment.
Buy Danish on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Did you read that or are you ashamed of the Huffington Post for acting facist ?
William Amos on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
There.
HornetSting on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Which really is why we should’ve invoked the war powers act instead of making it a generalized alteration to the laws…
But hey, the Dems are gonna repeal the Patriot Act any day now… just like they promised!
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Link one, Esthier.
I haven’t seen any.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM
BREAKING: CNN Obama shill finds someone who poor-mouths King Barry.
Film at 11.
Christien on April 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Past fascist regimes started out with gangs of thugs that did the bidding. Obama has invested quite a lot of his time and our money strenghtening his gang of thugs known as ACORN … which number in the hundreds of thousands. Add to that his “mandatory”, indoctrinated volunteer corps and hey, you never know.
No fascist regime started out with a military at their disposal … but they ended with one.
darwin on April 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM
The term fascistic or fascist is a powerful and loaded term–that’s why I used Payne’s criteria as a set of concrete definitions. My impression of Obama’s actions and statements indicate to me that he does possess some tendencies in a fascistic direction, although I wouldn’t call him a fascist yet. Right now, statist is as good a term as any–although, I do have to wonder if statist is being used to avoid use of the “F” word?
Now, if Allah wanted to, he could take issue with some of my interpretations of Obama’s profile in Payne’s analysis–that’s why I used phrases such as partial check or dubious check, because those points are open to debate, but to dance around terms–not a good thing.
Again, hopefully the Tea Parties will cause a reappraisal by Obama of at least some of his policies.
Matt Helm on April 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM
William Amos on April 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM
I think gop news made their bed and will lie in it.
getalife on April 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Obama also does anti-fascistic things:
Diminishing the military, which is antithetical to Italian Fascism and German Nazism
Diminishing the standing of the US in the world. This also goes against fascism. In any ideology, there is the Agent, the Obstacle, and the Goal. The Goal of fascism is to bring the nation (or in racial fascism [nazism]) to the forefront; the highest of nations. This, again, is not something Obama wants to do.
Furthermore, Fascism is not inherently anti-religious. In fact, its roots were a reaction to the Enlightenment, which was itself anti-religious and based in the secular and the scientific.
Leftists base their views on the secular and the scientific, things that were rejected by the origins of fascism.
Religion, to the fascist, keeps a social order and maintains cohesion among the people, and the nation, which again, is the Agent in the Ideological Triad (something used to analyze a belief system).
Obama is not a fascist, nor is he not fascistic.
blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM
And anyways….I am asking if the teaparties are bipartisan.
btw…..what is the purpose of the teaparties?
What do you hope to accomplish?
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Do you even have an independant thought or should I ask myself why do I try and debate someone who wont even be honest in the debate ?
Again it was Huffington Post that stated that. Try as you might it has nothing to do with fox news.
William Amos on April 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM
yes strange, I saw both parties standing out at the tea party.
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM
If MSNBC goes first.
Despite the ones that have been posted here already? You’ve just proven my point.
How about this, you’re the one making the accusation. Why don’t you prove it? Prove that only Republicans are against Generational Theft and that Republicans were only against it when Obama was elected.
You know, put up or shut up?
This site has already proven itself. That you cannot or will not see that is not our problem.
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM
fixed.
portlandon on April 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM
What I find funny is during all the anti-war and anti-illegal immigration protests, of all teh people at those “rallies” holding up Bush is a Nazi signs, they were hidden from the public, hidden from the viewers.
I remember during the “immigrant” rallies, they media, CNN in particular only showed poele waving American flags and failed to show all the extremeists waving upside-down US flags, Mexican flags and anti-American pro La Raza posters. The only way we saw the truth is through grassroots sites like zombietime, LGF and Malkin. They showed the true people at thes rallies.
So what does CNN do? Pick the first person who can’t put two sentences together to interview. This is sickening.
Then the audacity to question this person, however clueless he is, on whether the sign he he had of Obama being a facist was over the top and cruel. WTF!!
For the past eight years all I’ve heard is how Bush is a Nazi, facist or monkey. All I’ve heard is is how the GOP is a facist party looking to institute a police state. All I’ve heard is nothing but insults and degrading comments concering former President Bush. I work at a liberal organization and do you wnat to know how many times I’ve heard jokes from people wishing he was assinanated or died during his presidency? More than I can remember. One guy with one sign about Obama and the liberals go nuts.
I listen to Mark Levin at work. I’ve head liberals tell me on three or more occasion that Levin, Rush and others need to be shutdown for talking bad about Obama and that they’re dangerous. These leftists are dangerous and we must remain villigant. They’re ready to take our rights away in an instant.
Sorry, but this video really got me worked up.
bentman78 on April 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM
So sad you’re having to defend the man.
Esthier on April 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM
That’s not a requirement of facism. So long as the nationstate is unified in moving forward towards a unified goal and government coordinates this with industry and the populace as well as their ideological mindset then you have fascism.
And while we don’t, yet, have a fascistic government… we are taking on fascistic principles.
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Are you serious? Wright, Power and Jones are all talking about the Saudi Plan being the best hope for peace. That’s death for Israel. Are you stupid? Power wants to invade Israel. Wright was an anti-semite and a mentor to Obama. Obama was okay with Freeman until the heat was on about his connection to the Saudis and his anti-Israel stances. Biden tells Israel not to even think about taking out Iran’s nuclear sites. And who was the first foreign leader that Obama called, why it was the Holocaust denier Abu Mazen.
Oh, and being against ANY Israeli policy that protects and safeguards Jews in their homeland is being anti-semitic. Bush was NEVER that, even if Rice was. Bush decided on policy and he was better for Israel than Obama can ever hope to be.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Stop making your O face.
portlandon on April 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Agreed. I would have preferred an actual declaration of war, but we just don’t do that anymore.
Heh.
progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I totally disagree. I think the DHS report yesterday was the beginning of militarism against “right-wing” politics. It was so vague and included so many basic conservative ideals. And in fact was totally paranoid. I think there has to be some paranoia in any fascist definition.
You are right however that Obama has not yet succeeded in suppressing dissent. But he has tried and he has most of the media in his back pocket. That is the most fascist part. It may be voluntary or it may not but the message is totally controlled by the Whitehouse and the dissent almost totally ignored.
petunia on April 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Well, I disagree, but I agree that we are taking on characteristics of fascism.
Indeed
blatantblue on April 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM
ooh! this should be a “this turd” thread, sez i.
i’m uploading my “this turds” to picasa soon as i’m done with the connecticut tea party stuff.
eh on April 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Many Germans when Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933 did not regard Hitler as a Fascist but simply a strong leader who would ‘put Germany back on track’. But the ace in the hole was the victimization card: for Hitler it was the Treaty of Versailles and for Obama it is the product of black exploitation married with the angst of white guilt.
To right this wrong blacks must unite with Obama and back him no matter what happens and ‘intellectual’ whites must continue to vote for Obama to atone for the sins of their fathers, forefathers and ancestors.
As a white person, you have no right to protest Obama. You need to do your penance in sackcloth and ashes and see whatever Obama does to you, at least in his way of thinking, is deserving. Stop whining and man up: you are guilty and you have to pay for your sin of getting rich off the black man while Obama bankrupts America and lose your freedom as payback for what you did to Barack’s or Michelle’s ancestors.
technopeasant on April 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Obama is without doubt a corporatist, which is a basic economic tenant of fascism.
In my opinion, that makes Obama a fascist. But again, this is all semantics.
Norwegian on April 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Link plz.
is this anectdotal data? I need a link please.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:44 PM
strange I went to a tea party where I am at. I have pictures… but I can’t download them right now. I will link it tonight.
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM
If one of the tenets of fascism is a sort of unification of the people with government and businesses – i.e., corporations guided by the state in service of the people – why would Obama be willing to weaken American soverignty in the world?
One thing Obama is not – by any definition of the word – is a fascist when it comes to foreign policy.
Sorry, the term just doesn’t apply here.
SteveMG on April 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Find your own link if you’re so concerned.
darwin on April 15, 2009 at 6:47 PM
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM
And if that is true, why not just drag some liberals over infront of a Fox news camera.
Repudiate the “calumny” that the teapartiers are just conservatives/GOP/republicans.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Obama is a fascist, but that’s beside the point. People are simply fed up with this government’s spending and their lies about what they’re doing. Marginalizing the tea party movement is an attempt to keep the majority of the populace that’s not near a tax day demonstration from finding out about it.
The disdain of the “elite media” is nothing new, either. What we should take away from that is reinforcement of the notion that traditional media cannot be trusted to tell us the truth any more than their politician masters.
n0doz on April 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM
‘Because he’s a fascist…’
The two gentlemen that this chick has interviewed for CNN come off looking like dopes, and people who are angry for anger’s sake. Sadly, neither was able to articulate a talking point that was even near coherent and so the message is lost and the interviewer goes on arrogantly screeching. Fail.
GoodSamaritan on April 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM
No different than Republicans Baker, Scowcroft, Gates etc.
If that’s the critera then most of the American political establishment is anti-semitic (including permanent elements like the State Department).
Bush is also partly responsible for empowering Hamas, but I suppose you could say that was more due to incompetence than malice.
aengus on April 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Very true.
Well … in this case, he diminishes the military, with an eye to creating a domestic “military” for use against US citizens.
Well, here, he is denigrating the US to raise his own stature. He wants to become “the US” himself.
I’ll give you these. He is much more marxist in these respects.
I still maintain that he is fascistic in much of his controls, though I do think that his real drive is marxist – and race-based, at that.
In the end, he only really wants to exact revenge on those he perceives as having shamed and wronged him and his “group” and I think he wants the US, and the West, to be left a smoldering heap. But he is taking a fascist route to get there. Not totally, but in a large enough part of his policies.
Aside: I would just note that I do think it’s cute that Allah buys this “temporary” stuff. That sort of naivete is almost endearing.
progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Fascism is a modern adaptation of the ancient Roman Fascii, or bundling sticks togehter for strength to represent the Roman politi. The people contributing to HA are going have the fascism word bandied about and few know what it really means. Here goes:
Fascism is a system of government characterised by a rigid one-party dictatorship, the forcible repression of opposition, private economic enterprise under the centralized government, and often racism. Fascism’s main claim to fame is that they made the trains run on time and their leaders were eventually hung upside down from the canopys of filling stations.
I think that any observer who is honest with himself has to admit that though the government is not completely fascist yet, it is getting there. Obama and the marxist/democrats are working towards the goal of fascism with every effort. I believe a reasonable person could attribute the above description of fascist to the democrats and their god-king Obama.
Old Country Boy on April 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I saw that SnarkVader was banned, and Ed relented, a decision I agreed with because giving people a chance to redeem themselves is good, and it was apparent SV does have a desire to fit in here.
However, can anyone explain why AP and Ed continue to allow completely abusive and disruptive, non-serious posters, like craptaculous and benny shanker for example, the ability to post? They don’t ever attempt to honorably debate, do they? So, why are they still here? AP? Ed?
Bizarro No. 1 on April 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I couldn’t care less whether the are bipartisan or not. I know what I believe and I don’t
I personally hope to make the Tea Party here in Phoenix at 6pm and I hope to convey the message that Congress is out of control and that if they try to pull what they did with that stimulus bill again there will be rioting in the streets!
I never imagined in my lifetime that the government could sink so low as to spend a TRILLION dollars on absolutely nothing as political pay back for an election. This is a national disgrace.
And I also want to stop the insane Obama budget! Congress needs to have a wake up call that they work for us!
(I just found out there is a conflict and I’m trying to work around it… I hope I can still make it downtown.)
petunia on April 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I suggest AllahP give you a mic at the Green Room.
That would be a great post.
darwin surely you above all ppl know that is not how science works. ;)
the null hypothesis of the media, share by many americans, is that the teapartiers are homogeneously rightwing.
You must disprove it…..the media wont.
strangelet on April 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Face it…we’ve got to put the toothpaste back into the tube…
Skywise on April 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Not abroad, but he certainly is domestically. Who ever heard of such idiocy as a domestic security force as well-funded as our military. That’s just totally and unequivically insane.
progressoverpeace on April 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Yep. She is just as disgusting as in the shorter clip.
Mommypundit on April 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I just got back from the Indianapolis Tea Party. It was an impressive gathering of people, but it was a little off message. Greg Garrison isn’t a very good motivational speaker, that’s for sure.
AbaddonsReign on April 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/image.php?id=app-1296ff70-af98-4682-b2ba-6a495163cef8&show_article=1&article_id=D97J5T800
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!
And the sad part is I have another pic of this on the other side of the street!
upinak on April 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Well, fascism is rarely defined by foreign policy. Unlike its national-socialist counterpart in Germany, foreign expansion or “Lebensraum” was never a cornerstone of Italian fascism.
Fascism is rather defined by economic policy, in which many similarities with Obama can be found.
Norwegian on April 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM
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