Audio: Rick Perry flirts with secession at tea-party presser

posted at 7:40 pm on April 15, 2009 by Allahpundit

I snarked yesterday that the left would get hysterical and treat his statement on the Tenth Amendment as a veiled call for secession, so I’m obliged to eat my words today. Simply awful, whether as a convenient distraction for the media from the tea parties or as a brush for them to tar the protests as motivated by crackpot neo-confederate sentiments. Even Drudge, who’s obviously sympathetic to the rallies, is leading with the story right now. In the red scare font, no less.

Breitbart has the audio if you’re curious, but here’s the gist of it:

Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters’ questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.

“There’s a lot of different scenarios,” Perry said. “We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”

He said when Texas entered the union in 1845 it was with the understanding it could pull out. However, according to the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, Texas negotiated the power to divide into four additional states at some point if it wanted to but not the right to secede.

Texas did secede in 1861, but the North’s victory in the Civil War put an end to that.

What a treat to see some on the right pulling the same whiny, anti-democratic crap that the left pulled under Bush. I can only assume this means that I was wrong about Perry’s 2012 aspirations and that he’s not planning to run, as the thought of a secessionist presidential candidate would be rather highly nuanced indeed. Exit question: Chuck Norris for Texas president?


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All this could not come sone. I think Texas and the rest of the states should push this along (except for the Peoples Republic of CT).

foxone on April 15, 2009 at 9:05 PM

DerKrieger:

What if we are at a tipping point from which we may never recover?

I personally would advocate splitting the country in half, Libs to one side and Conservatives to the other… I don’t want to spend the rest of my life, I’m 42, fighting to restore Constitutional government…

EXCELLENT POINT!!! Well said…

AP: Pay attention to this…. it’s the truth…

IntheNet on April 15, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Only if you’re a Fed-loving Nanny State teat sucking Yankee!

Yankees provide the teat.

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 9:06 PM

LOL!
How many soldiers does Texas provide to the U.S. military?
I’m sure it’s not that many…*chuckle*

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I used to work in Navy manpower – I can tell you that … by far … most military recruits come from the Southern United States. This is something that is not widely publicized. The Southern States bear an abnormal share of the nation’s defense.

But really – I don’t know how many soldiers are from Texas. But I do know that the ones that are from TX – won’t fire on Texans. And … oh … neither will the vast majority from LA, AL, MS, GA, SC … etc, etc, etc.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

was smacked down in a prior thread about this & all I can say is “told ya”. Question – what colors do you think the Texan flag will be? Oh and the Texan national anthem? any takers?

Pro-American my butt

TruUSA on April 15, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Easy peasy: We already have a state pledge. Our flag will remain the same – the most visible and known state flag in the world. Texas National Anthem: “Texas Our Texas.”

Even though we have pride in our state, we still love America and hope and pray that Obama fails so our union will be saved. Why is that so hard to understand?

pullingmyhairout on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Allah you may not like the talk about succession but it is a right of each state. It keeps the Federal Government honest…which we both agree has gone out of control…
PierreLegrand on April 15, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Really, it isn’t a right of each state. But it is a right of Texas, which is the only independent, sovereign nation ever to have been admitted to the Union. Because of that unique sovereign status, special accomodations were made regarding its right to change its mind and return to that sovereign status. Times have changed a lot since that language came into existence, and I doubt secession would ever be attempted. But the language is there.

Blacklake on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Secession? That’d be treason.

Next.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Only if you’re a Fed-loving Nanny State teat sucking Yankee!

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:00 PM
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Nanny State teat sucking Yankee?

You mean like Joanne Wilder?

“she retired on disability from M&T Bank three years ago after undergoing knee replacement and back surgeries. She lives on her Social Security and disability benefits. Last year, she petitioned the bankruptcy court for protection from creditors.

She said she did not have to pay federal income taxes last year because her income was too low.”

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/antitax_tea_party_could_draw_c.html

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

IntheNet on April 15, 2009 at 9:06 PM
A Russian journalist predicted that Obama’s economic policies would cause the US to be split 6 ways.

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

I would say that most of our troops com from Red states and not just the South. You can’t forget the heartland.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Secession? That’d be treason.

Next.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Yes or no – are you glad the 13 Colonies decided to committed ‘treason’ against England in 1776?

Bizarro No. 1 on April 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM

But really – I don’t know how many soldiers are from Texas. But I do know that the ones that are from TX – won’t fire on Texans. And … oh … neither will the vast majority from LA, AL, MS, GA, SC … etc, etc, etc.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

We have Ft. Hood, too. And Bliss. The ANG is huge, and most if not all of the B-1B’s are based here, too (I can never keep track of where they move what’s left of those things).

So think about that, yankee pigs! :P

Blacklake on April 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM

A Russian journalist predicted that Obama’s economic policies would cause the US to be split 6 ways.

Replace Russian with American. How would that be different from saying “Random nutcase spits out some nonsense”. Now what’s so unique about Russian expertise in American politics?

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Blacklake on April 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM

IMO based on the DHS report on “right-wing extremists” and the inclusion of veterans in that group (that would be my whole family including my mother and ex-wife) Big Brother is very afraid of our military. Perhaps because they know the military is made up mostly of Conservatives. If for some reason (never happen) it cam down to a fight, the Libs would be annihilated.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Really sad story, but the Founders never intended the government to “take care” of people, no matter how sad their circumstances.

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Igor Panarin @ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html.

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM

We will only take so much abuse.

Bravo to Perry.

artist on April 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Secession? That’d be treason.

Next.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM

We will excuse you since you are Canadian.

Treason is what the patriots down there want. While they are preparing, they are busy routinely reenacting it.

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 8:59 PM

You sir, are an idiot.
:)

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:18 PM

But it is a right of Texas, which is the only independent, sovereign nation ever to have been admitted to the Union.

Blacklake on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Actually, I think California might technically qualify for that. The Bear Flag Republic was actually an independent country, if very briefly. Yea, sure it was never recognized as such by anybody and was immediately absorbed into the USA, but I think it might actually meet your definition.

That said, yes, in no way was it comparable with Texas being a completely separate, well established country.

PersonalLiberty on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 PM

At least it would allow Texas to protect her southern border in an effective manner–something that obama will never do. And,little difference from VT who actually put secession on their ballot at one point—at least one area did. Obama continues to be unaware or uninterested in how divided this country is becoming. I wonder sometimes if his people keep truths from him or he knows and does not care.

jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Agreed. No one can claim a right if that right creates an obligation on someone else to fulfill that right.

That makes the person paying for someone else’s right that person’s indentured servant.

It’s easy to demand freebies from Uncle Sam when you pay no taxes.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Never said I necessarily believed him. The interesting thing, though, is that he projected this in 1998, & the primary factors for the division are all occurring simultaneously right now. Doesn’t mean he picked the right year, though…

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Rick Perry = F-ing moron.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I used to work in Navy manpower – I can tell you that … by far … most military recruits come from the Southern United States. This is something that is not widely publicized. The Southern States bear an abnormal share of the nation’s defense.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

So true.

But really – I don’t know how many soldiers are from Texas. But I do know that the ones that are from TX – won’t fire on Texans. And … oh … neither will the vast majority from LA, AL, MS, GA, SC … etc, etc, etc.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

If a state like Texas were to secede 10-20 years from now, I don’t think there will be shooting. I predict an amicable divorce. It seems Red and Blue America have less in common than ever.

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Let’s turn this around a bit. Let’s say statist liberals were threatening to move to California and secede. Wouldn’t you guys be happy to see them go?

toliver on April 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM

I would say that most of our troops com from Red states and not just the South. You can’t forget the heartland.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:10 PM

You are correct of course. The Red States are the most fertile ground for military recruiting. Most of the Red States are in the South though.

Let’s not turn this into another “North VS South”. I will stand shoulder to shoulder with any “Yankee” who believes in the principles of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Hapiness – as I do. This is not about “Neo-Confederacy” – Confederate States of America is one thing – but anyone who wants to pervert this issue to favor their racist views and philosophy are NOT “kindred spirits” with me!

And I’m not arguing a case of secession yet – all I’m saying is that secession should be an authorized topic to speculate about on the national political scene. Before it’s done – it must be TALKED about – and that is what Rick Perry is doing and that is what Allah is condemning him for – for the talk.

Secession is NOT a radical view. Our Founding Fathers were secessionists – they seceded from ENGLAND. People seem to forget that. Political affiliation is an INALIENABLE right and therefore secession is a right of all states. The Federal Government was formed by States ACCEDING to it. If the rights belonged to the States to GIVE – they certainly belong to the states to TAKE BACK.

Now – this is all irrelevant if force is used to maintain the union. But that is what it comes down to – there is no “scholarly” argument to be made against secession.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:24 PM

toliver on April 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM

A Blue nation would collapse under its own weight faster than the USSR. Then maybe they’d be conquered by Mexican drug gangs. They wouldn’t have a military of course.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Blacklake on April 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Blacklake, I believe that Texas lost all special privileges due to our involvement in the War Between the States. However, per the 10th Amendment and the way our country was founded, the states chose to be represented in the federal government. All powers not included in the Constitution belong to the states. In other words, the states’ powers trump the federal government over anything not in the Constitution. Many believe that the states have the right to secede but Lincoln and the SCOTUS (IIRC) put an end to that.
If you have any information about Texas still having these special privileges, (other than the 5 state division clause) please share.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Rick Perry = F-ing moron.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Where do you get that?

I think Governor Perry is very brave to stand up to NObama in this way!
Obama doesn’t like opposition, viz. Napolitano’s “right wing extremist” memo.
Ogabe’s trying to pretend like these tea parties didn’t even take place today, but Governor Perry’s statement he can’t ignore.

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM

toliver on April 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Of course not. Just didn’t want the heartland left out.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:26 PM

LOL!
How many soldiers does Texas provide to the U.S. military?
I’m sure it’s not that many…*chuckle*

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Well we can shoot more than once.

JackS on April 15, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Oops

Meant to quote

Let’s not turn this into another “North VS South”.

Of course not, just didn’t want the heartland left out.

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Rick Perry = F-ing moron.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Good Lt = less than Rick Perry (F-ing moron).
So what does that make you?

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:28 PM

“Obama continues to be unaware or uninterested in how divided this country is becoming. I wonder sometimes if his people keep truths from him or he knows and does not care.
jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 PM”

He knows and uses it against the country.

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

poplicola on April 15, 2009 at 9:29 PM

10th Amendment Center

DerKrieger on April 15, 2009 at 9:30 PM

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
~The Declaration of Independence~

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Yes or no – are you glad the 13 Colonies decided to committed ‘treason’ against England in 1776?

Bizarro No. 1 on April 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM
——–
Oh God yes I’m glad. The thought of all you clowns with English accents is unbearable.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM

“Obama continues to be unaware or uninterested in how divided this country is becoming. I wonder sometimes if his people keep truths from him or he knows and does not care.
jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 PM”

He knows – and he does not care. To him, America is an evil place. He wants to remake America in his image – to hell with the Constitution.

Failing that – the destruction of America is preferred by him.

What he doesn’t want – is a continuation of the ideals this country was founded upon because those ideals do not produce equality of results – which is what he wants most of all.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM

When conservatives are talking about secession and “states’ rights,” we are in deep, deep, doo-doo. We are marginalizing ourselves and are going to be out of power for a near eternity.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM

If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.

Ars Moriendi on April 15, 2009 at 8:02 PM

:)

mikeyboss on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM

I am proud of my governor’s statement. These are serious times.

When Texas joined the union, The United States still adhered to the U.S. Constitution. It has since been abandoned and replaced with penumbras and semantic dances, aka the whims of men or women in power. IMHO this would make the original contract void.

I am not advocating Texas secede. That is lunacy at this point. But it is, in my opinion, an option, if it should become necessary to preserve liberty.

DeathB4Tyranny on April 15, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Perry didn’t need to say that. It only makes him and those he was speaking to appear extreme. While I understand the frustration that such ideas come from, they are not helpful. A large part of these protests concerns perception. If we are perceived to be extremists then those who would likely agree with us will be less inclined to participate. The left is looking for anything to smear these protests and Perry should have kept that in mind when he spoke.

It could have been worse though … he could have expressed affection for Lady Gaga

Stickeehands on April 15, 2009 at 9:33 PM

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 8:53 PM

A. I said extreme right wing(Alex Jones/John Birch types), not regular right wing.

B. Then you didn’t read the article I linked. A group in Vermont proposed secession a year and a half ago, and everyone here, including myself, groaned at the suggestion.

MadisonConservative on April 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Of course, there is a difference between secession and revolution–but it seems like it can be a rather thin line.

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

When conservatives are talking about secession and “states’ rights,” we are in deep, deep, doo-doo. We are marginalizing ourselves and are going to be out of power for a near eternity.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM

You have a plan for Conservative electoral victory after Obama has naturalized 35 million illegal aliens – all of whom will vote Democratic?

I’m all ears.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Here is some logic.
Obama and his policies are overreaching. That is an understatement.
There seems to be little resistance to his agenda and damaging Saul Alinsky tactics to our nation.
Rick Perry is the ONLY governor who has drawn a line in the sand to Obama. Arrogant? No. Confidence? Yes. Confident that there are millions of people in this state that back him up. It’s that Texan independence that radiofreevillage and Good Lt just don’t get because they are foreign to Texas.
Rick Perry has vacillated on many issues and I disagree with him often. However, in his stand against Obama, Reid and Pelosi, he is a hero. This is the spark that will start the fire to inspire Barber, Palin, Riley, Brewer, Rell, Crist, Perdue, Lingle,

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:35 PM

JackS on April 15, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Jack, I was kidding–you know there are tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Texans in the Armed Forces!
My dad proudly served in the Army in WWII.
My uncles served in WWI & II.
My great-grandfather fought for the South.
And my ancestors fought in both the Revolutionary War (Virginia branch of family) and one was massacred at Goliad in the Battle for the Republic of Texas!

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I am here in Dallas and one of my co-workers already has a bumper sticker with the Texas flag and the word “secede”. This will take on a life of it’s own; no where do I get my sticker?

mad scientist on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM

You have a million and one vultures trying to dismiss anything and everything the right is doing every day. You have a hostile mainstream press just waiting for an excuse to use something – ANYTHING – to paint this protest as a bunch of crazy fools, and then the governor of Texas steps right up and starts talking SECESSION?

Not every sentiment echoed by people opposed to Obama is good, you know.

There isn’t going to be a secession, and to even bring it up is stupid. It’s counterproductive, it’s not ever going to happen, and it’s just handing ammo to the other side.

Way to go, gov. FAIL.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM

good for you. but i was talking to the guy who sounded like bin laden.

sesquipedalian on April 15, 2009 at 9:38 PM

B. Then you didn’t read the article I linked. A group in Vermont proposed secession a year and a half ago, and everyone here, including myself, groaned at the suggestion.

MadisonConservative on April 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Sorry MC … I only read the title of the article which said “Overthrow Bush”. If secession was their goal – well – I think they were a bit daft but if the whole state of VT wanted to secede – I’m all for self determination.

I’m absolutely opposed to any Governor seceding from the union on his own. But … if it’s the Democratic will of his state – then by all means.

I think you can agree that ALL states are comprised of a majority of level-headed patriotic Americans. And – if a situation ever developed where the majorities in those states wished to “go it alone” – then a drastic event has occurred that perhaps warrants it.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM

(continued)
Otter, Daniels, Jindal, Pawlenty, Heineman, Gibbons, Hoeven, Carcieri, Sanford, Rounds, Huntsmen, and Douglas to also take a stance to this non-violent coup that is taking place.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM

The sad thing is that we need responsible people to articulate the Tenth Amendment argument; putting it in an “or else we secede” context discredits the point completely.

Brainster on April 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Heh.

My co-workers and I plot secession at least once a month.

All joking aside, it really should be an option if the federal government continues to attempt to strip rights that truly belong to the states.

SimplyKimberly on April 15, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Odd that it seems OK for VT but not for TX in the eyes of the national media. Am wondering if a State really opted for secession if it would be peacefully commissioned by voting and paper work, money etc. or if it woud provoke the same response it did prior to the Civil War. Somehow, I can’t picture a military response in this day and age and from the Obama government. Still…who knows!

jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 9:42 PM

think Allah is reading a bit much into this. Perry has no more intention of leaving the union than all those Democrats did in 2004 when they threatened to emigrate.

Terrye on April 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM

But they were actors not duly elected executive officers of a state.

I think what Perry said is being blown out of proportion, but at the same time a Governor needs to be more careful with his words.

And why do I see so many posters I’ve never seen before in here saying “Yeah, way to go Perry”. A lot of “Mobys” I suspect. They were certainly out in force at some of the Tea Party rallies trying to bring discredit on a legitimate and thoughtful protest.

Dreadnought on April 15, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Really sad story, but the Founders never intended the government to “take care” of people, no matter how sad their circumstances.

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM
—–
Why don’t you go out and remove all your republican brothers from the welfare rolls then come back and pound your little chest.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Texas is not seceding. The fact that Rick Perry is discussing it as a possibility when he knows good and well that that will not happen in the foreseeable future says a lot about his character.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 9:44 PM

The sad thing is that we need responsible people to articulate the Tenth Amendment argument; putting it in an “or else we secede” context discredits the point completely.

Brainster on April 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM

And that would be true Brainster had Governor Perry actually said “or else we secede”, which he didn’t.
Don’t buy into Allahpundit’s creative wording.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Texas is not seceding. The fact that Rick Perry is discussing it as a possibility when he knows good and well that that will not happen in the foreseeable future says a lot about his character.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Please articulate what exactly it says about his character?

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM

You have a plan for Conservative electoral victory after Obama has naturalized 35 million illegal aliens – all of whom will vote Democratic?

I’m all ears.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM

You have a plan to preserve freedom in the Republic of Texas, or the Republic of South Carolina, or the Republic of Oregon, or whatever? You have a military?

We couldn’t even live that way in the Articles of Confederation period. It didn’t work then, and it sure as hell ain’t going to work now.

Besides, I love this country and I won’t give that up, even if the government is totally screwed up.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Why don’t you go out and remove all your republican brothers from the welfare rolls then come back and pound your little chest.

Link? Stats?

Thanks.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Tex We Can!

Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 9:47 PM

You lot have got no sense of humour. I’d happily be a citizen of the Republic of Texas. The rest of America? Not so much.

Fortunata on April 15, 2009 at 9:47 PM

There are no personal taxes, no state corporate taxes, but a fairly high sales tax and the property taxes are a bit excessive.
Oil and gas is taxed at the wellhead, and the decline of production has been severe (from 4 million barrels per day in 1973 to right at a million per day right now), but there is still lots of oil left in the ground.
Still, a nice (if impractical) thing to imagine.
Texas did not cause this mess and we are not ready to be burdened with bankruptcy in Obama’s socialist hell.

TexasJew on April 15, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Texas is not seceding. The fact that Rick Perry is discussing it as a possibility when he knows good and well that that will not happen in the foreseeable future says a lot about his character.

Proud Rino on April 15, 2009 at 9:44 PM

And the fact that you, a certified liberal (who voted for Obama and plans to vote for him again in ’12) with the moniker “Proud Rino” makes any comment that the rest of us would ever take seriously is ludicrous.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:48 PM

The sad thing is that we need responsible people to articulate the Tenth Amendment argument; putting it in an “or else we secede” context discredits the point completely.

Why does that discredit it? Isn’t that really the choice? You’re saying that if everybody were to shout down a rational reading of the 10th Amendment, you’d humbly walk away. If so, you’re just as much of a pussy as Obama is. Strong people have standards. No, I’m not saying that you go around threatening succession at every turn or in response to any injury, no matter how small. We are, however, talking about the Bill of Rights here. If we aren’t going to respect it, then at some point things will get ugly.

Put another way, I will do my utmost to avoid living in a nation that disregards an originalist view of the Constitution. Anything else is simply oppression, where the Constitution means whatever a liberal judge (or SCOTUS) thinks it ought to mean at any given time, on a whim. In other words, there is no longer a rule of law, but rather a rule of men. When that happens, we no longer live in the USA as we were taught decades ago. Rather, revolution has already occurred, softly to be sure, but revolution nonetheless, and we then live in another country.

If you want to change the Constitution, there is a process for doing so. If you want to interpret it out of existence, then at some point things are going to get ugly.

PersonalLiberty on April 15, 2009 at 9:49 PM

The Secessionist Movement rose up in Texas back in the 70s when the Federal government shut down schools and businesses in Texas so they could ship natural gas produced in the state (for which we paid interstate rates of $9 per mcf) to the north (which paid regulated interstate rates of $2 per mcf) during a cold winter. That seriously pissed some folks off.

The theory at the time was that all Texas needed to do to finesse a secession was exercise our right to create those 4 additional states. Since proper gerrymandering of the new states would result in 8 new Republican Senators and at least one more Republican Member of the House, the theory was that the Democratically controlled Congress would reject the new states, effectively renouncing the Ordinance of Annexation that made Texas part of the United States. In effect, we wouldn’t secede, Congress would void our admission to the Union.

Of course, when that happened, we’d give the Feds back the $10MM they paid to purchase part of the Republic as part of the Ordinance and we’d take back that chunk of land that stretches up through New Mexico, Kansas, Colorado and Wyoming and go back to our original borders.

All of which was more an inside joke than a serious plan.

Strick on April 15, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Texas is not seceding. The fact that Rick Perry is discussing it as a possibility when he knows good and well that that will not happen in the foreseeable future says a lot about his character.

I think it just says that he’s an idiot who needs to step back and take a few deep breaths.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM

You have a plan to preserve freedom in the Republic of Texas, or the Republic of South Carolina, or the Republic of Oregon, or whatever? You have a military?

We couldn’t even live that way in the Articles of Confederation period. It didn’t work then, and it sure as hell ain’t going to work now.

Besides, I love this country and I won’t give that up, even if the government is totally screwed up.

So you don’t have a plan and would rather live in a “screwed up” country … Okay thanks for that.

As far as a military goes – it wouldn’t take long for Texans – or any other state to come up with one. Hell – even Iraq has a military now. Unbelievable?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM

You have a million and one vultures trying to dismiss anything and everything the right is doing every day. You have a hostile mainstream press just waiting for an excuse to use something – ANYTHING – to paint this protest as a bunch of crazy fools, and then the governor of Texas steps right up and starts talking SECESSION?

Not every sentiment echoed by people opposed to Obama is good, you know.

There isn’t going to be a secession, and to even bring it up is stupid. It’s counterproductive, it’s not ever going to happen, and it’s just handing ammo to the other side.

Way to go, gov. FAIL.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM

There’s probably about 18 million Texans who disagree with you. A Texas Gov talking to Texans and you don’t like it

-pound sand.

JackS on April 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Oh God yes I’m glad. The thought of all you clowns with English accents is unbearable.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM

In other words, ‘secession as treason’ isn’t necessarily a bad thing in your mind, as when you reap some sort of benefit from it! Ahhhh, I love Lefties! Thanks for answering! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on April 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM

You have a plan to preserve freedom in the Republic of Texas, or the Republic of South Carolina, or the Republic of Oregon, or whatever? You have a military?

Besides, I love this country and I won’t give that up, even if the government is totally screwed up.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I love this country as well. However, the military is sworn to uphold the Constitution and not a rogue president.

As I commented to MadCon earlier, we are not going to take this country back by force, but through winning the next two election cycles.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:52 PM

If Paul and Buchanan fail in 2012, I would settle for Perry.

The Dean on April 15, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Conservatives flock to Texas (like me) while liberals leave. Texas then becomes an economic and military powerhouse, a land with reduced crime and strong family values.

Secede!

Grafted on April 15, 2009 at 9:52 PM

It won’t be Texas that fires the shot heard round the world, it’ll be the so called Justice Department. Texas will just shoot back.

Look for Uncle Sugar to push a Federal Judge in Houston or Austin to twist the Texas nose. That’ll start it. Next thing you know we’ll be indicting Federal Judges for obstruction of justice. Just a matter of time. The harder the Feds push the quicker the clock.

Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I think it just says that he’s an idiot who needs to step back and take a few deep breaths.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM

And you are entitled to your opinion, however ignorant that it is.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I think it just says that he’s an idiot who needs to step back and take a few deep breaths.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM

What’s your solution? Give up our guns, our taxes, our freedom to an oppressive federal government? News Flash – Conservatives are probably DONE winning elections in this country. Acorn (the Democratic Red Guard) has been funded to the tune of millions. The White House is firmly in control of the census. Amnesty for illegal aliens who will all vote Democratic is coming.

The press is firmly in the hands of the Democratic Party as is POP CULTURE.

PLEASE TELL ME MR. GOOD LT – WHAT’S YOUR PLAN FOR PUTTING THIS ALL BACK TOGETHER?

Sorry for the caps – but the people yelling at Rick Perry for mentioning “secession” really don’t have a plan that I can see – but you might be able to articulate one – if you have one.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Only if you’re a Fed-loving Nanny State teat sucking Yankee!
Yankees provide the teat.

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 9:06 PM

I don’t think they’d want to import oil from Texas and Alaska in any case. Or wheat from Kansas or bodies for the miltary from someplace other than blue states.

Blue or red couldn’t make it very well on its own.

ddrintn on April 15, 2009 at 9:55 PM

There isn’t going to be a secession, and to even bring it up is stupid. It’s counterproductive, it’s not ever going to happen, and it’s just handing ammo to the other side.
Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Why is it counterproductive? Our dollar is doomed, and we are about to be permanently burdened with over 14 trillion dollars of unnecessary debt – on top of over 35 trillion in unfunded social security debt and the Chinese ready to look for some collateral to bail us out some more.
Our kids are going to be slaves to a huge unconstitutional government. Over a trillion per year just to service Obama’s debt. Where the hell is that money going to come from, genius? Obama’s printing presses are already running overtime.
This ship is sinking with that ugly little man at the helm.
The freaking Titanic was more seaworthy..

TexasJew on April 15, 2009 at 9:56 PM

If any state decides to stop talking about leaving and actually try to do it, it’s Texas. After all, it’s as big or bigger than many small European countries.

jeanie on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

we are not going to take this country back by force, but through winning the next two election cycles.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Good, I’m with you on this.

But not this:

However, the military is sworn to uphold the Constitution and not a rogue president.

So each soldier, sailor, etc. makes his own constitutional decisions? No one has to take orders from the chain of command, up through the commander-in-chief? Splendid.

Come on. Why are we making arguments like this?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Blue or red couldn’t make it very well on its own.

ddrintn on April 15, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Untrue . . . it would require some adjustments but it could work.

rplat on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

And why do I see so many posters I’ve never seen before in here saying “Yeah, way to go Perry”. A lot of “Mobys” I suspect.
Dreadnought on April 15, 2009 at 9:42 PM

I was thinking the same thing.

Infidoll on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

As a life long Texan, I can tell you that you don’t want Gov. Big Hair squeezing his way in to become the face of the Tea Party movement.

He is merely trying to paint Kay B. Hutchison, who he will face in the GOP primary for governor, as a DC outsider.

Labamigo on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Texas: only state with a navy.
Texas: home to 1/5 of U.S. military personnel.
Texas: only state that has been a seperate, sovereign country.
Texas: only state that is allowed to fly its flag at the same height as the U.S. flag.

otcconan on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Perry is speaking to those of us who live in Texas. Again, I think secession plays better down here than it does in most other states. Under other circumstances, most non-Texans would be rolling their eyes and saying “There they go again”.

If Perry had openly advocated secession, that would be one thing; mostly, he was just commenting on our rights under the 10th Amendment.

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Why don’t you go out and remove all your republican brothers from the welfare rolls then come back and pound your little chest.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 9:43 PM

We don’t “do” welfare–it’s against our religion (of individual initiative and self-help!)
The DemocRats created welfare and have become as dependent on it as heroin addicts on smack! (which too many of them are doing, too. Let’s not forget all the helpful gub’mint-funded clean needle programs, either!)

Jenfidel on April 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM

So each soldier, sailor, etc. makes his own constitutional decisions? No one has to take orders from the chain of command, up through the commander-in-chief? Splendid.

Come on. Why are we making arguments like this?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Suggest you look at January to April, 1861. Soldiers were faced with the same choice (should secession come to pass). They will choose the same way today they did then. Some will go Blue, some will go Butternut. I’m not calling for it, just stating the obvious.

Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM

He is merely trying to paint Kay B. Hutchison, who he will face in the GOP primary for governor, as a DC outsider.
Labamigo on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Works for me.
She’s an idiot.

TexasJew on April 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Link? Stats?

Thanks.

Good Lt on April 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM
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Silly me. There are no Republicans on welfare.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM

TexasJew on April 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM
…And squishier than he is.

youngTXcon on April 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Suggest you look at January to April, 1861. Soldiers were faced with the same choice (should secession come to pass). They will choose the same way today they did then. Some will go Blue, some will go Butternut. I’m not calling for it, just stating the obvious.

Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM

And look where THAT got us. Great idea, bud.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

So each soldier, sailor, etc. makes his own constitutional decisions? No one has to take orders from the chain of command, up through the commander-in-chief? Splendid.

Come on. Why are we making arguments like this?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

No you’re right on this – they are obligated to follow orders but …

And by the way – 24 years here I served in the USN – retired as a Master Chief …

The thing that differentiates the American soldier from most other nations is he’s allowed to have a conscience as long as he’s willing to pay the price for his actions.

If, for instance – a State democratically elected to secede from the Union and expressed a desire to leave peacefully. And if Obama ordered the state to be attacked and retaken for the federal government. I would not obey that order.

Would that make me a traitor to the US Government and the oath I took? Yes it would. Would I be willing to be hanged for that? Yes I would.

Because – in the end – the oath that an individual takes to his principles is the supreme oath. That doesn’t exclude one from paying the penalties from violating the other oath though. It’s not fair – but it’s correct.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Obama and his policies are overreaching. That is an understatement

Yes he is, and that’s why his approval ratings are starting to come down. Give him time and they will truly take a nosedive-as long as the right is smart.

There seems to be little resistance to his agenda and damaging Saul Alinsky tactics to our nation

Really? There were hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in the streets of our country today. The dissatisfaction is starting to show at the ballot box (NY 20), in the polls (generic congressional Republicans are in pulling even in some polls), and in the aforementioned streets.

And this is only the beginning. It is early, very early. You’re like the fan of a powerhouse football team that is down by a field goal and is ready to have your team forfeit and go home. Ridiculous.

Rick Perry is the ONLY governor who has drawn a line in the sand to Obama. Arrogant? No

there are better, smarter ways to draw a line.

This is the spark that will start the fire to inspire Barber, Palin, Riley, Brewer, Rell, Crist, Perdue, Lingle,

More talk like this will be the spark that starts the fire that will burn down the building that is the conservative movement.

This is a Center-Right Country. Step back and take a deep breath. Those of us in the blue states need Texans like you on our side if we’re going to take back this country. Don’t let us down.

Dreadnought on April 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

In other words, ’secession as treason’ isn’t necessarily a bad thing in your mind, as when you reap some sort of benefit from it! Ahhhh, I love Lefties! Thanks for answering! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on April 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM
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I’ll leave you to your apples and oranges.

Dave Rywall on April 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM

So each soldier, sailor, etc. makes his own constitutional decisions? No one has to take orders from the chain of command, up through the commander-in-chief? Splendid.

Come on. Why are we making arguments like this?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

I see your point, however, just imagine a scenario where the US is stricken with a rogue president (I hinted that Obama was one, it remains to be seen). If the president is sworn to uphold the Constitution and each soldier is as well, what happens? No rhetorical.

carbon_footprint on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Texas: only state that is allowed to fly its flag at the same height as the U.S. flag.

Very patriotic.

radiofreevillage on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

He is merely trying to paint Kay B. Hutchison, who he will face in the GOP primary for governor, as a DC outsider insider.

Labamigo on April 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Fixed.

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

But not this:

However, the military is sworn to uphold the Constitution and not a rogue president.

So each soldier, sailor, etc. makes his own constitutional decisions? No one has to take orders from the chain of command, up through the commander-in-chief? Splendid.

Come on. Why are we making arguments like this?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Oath

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

JackS on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

And look where THAT got us. Great idea, bud.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Where exactly is that? You mean war I suppose. There will be no war, just a lot of FBI, DEA, BATFE, and Black Robes stuffed on buses headed toward Chicago.

Limerick on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

And by the way – 24 years here I served in the USN – retired as a Master Chief …

HondaV65 on April 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Thank you for your service.

This makes me sadder, by the way, that you feel the way you do.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM

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