The execrable DHS report on “right-wing extremism”

posted at 10:57 am on April 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Michelle has it covered pretty well, but I looked at the DHS report on “right-wing extremism” myself, and it’s every bit as bad as she says, and as Roger Hedgecock and the Liberty Papers first reported.  The DHS fails to provide any specifics at all, preferring instead to smear half of the country or more as kooks for criticizing the government’s handling of the economy.  As Eli Lake reports, the DHS has all but declared war on federalism, which used to be the founding concept of our republic:

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in “rightwing extremist activity,” saying the economic recession, the election of America’s first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

“It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,” the warning says.

The first question we should ask is whether the DHS is reacting to any specific threats at all?  Er … no (emphasis mine):

The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues.

This gets repeated over and over again during the report.  They have no threat information.  In fact, the report can’t even say definitively whether “extremists” are gaining “new recruits”.  In order to find that, they’d have to identify the actual groups, note the recruiting patterns, and determine whether in fact they’re gaining recruits or losing members.  Bottom line: DHS has no actual data.  They’re pulling threats out of their collective arse and publishing them without any supporting research whatsoever.

DHS acts as though white-supremacist groups and militias believing in Zionist world conspiracies stopped existing between 2000 and 2008.  Of course they didn’t; George Bush’s strong support for Israel fed those nutcase groups for eight years.  Are those groups growing in the last five months, after what DHS assumes is the trigger for all this hate — the election of Barack Obama?  They provide absolutely no evidence at all for it, and in fact repeat over and over again that they don’t have that data in a hail of May Bes.

So what’s triggered their antennae?

The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the 1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.

In the first place, the “outsourcing of jobs” outrage didn’t get stoked by the Right.  That outrage got fed by the Democrats in the last two elections, and it’s a feature of the same anti-globalization loons of the hard Left that continually disrupt G-20 summits as they violently did in London.  Barack Obama himself stoked a fair share of it during the presidential campaign with his NAFTA Dance.

And should we not have some concern about the economic recession, debate about trade policy, and insist on maintaining American power and sovereignty?  Since when did those topics indicate criminality and terrorism?

DHS also manages to make several hysterical references to returning veterans.  I’ll highlight the weasel words and provide the translation at the end:

The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

Gee, it could lead?  What evidence does DHS have of this?  Oh, yeah, Timothy McVeigh was a veteran … and that’s it.  I’m not joking:

After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.

So let’s be terrified of veterans!  Let’s treat them all like potential suspects, even though we don’t have one iota of evidence of any wrongdoing at all.  Yeah, that’s the American way.

Imagine, if you will, what the Left would say if we took this entire document and replaced all references to “military veterans” with “Muslims”, and all references to “abortion” with “universal health care”, and then predated this DHS report to 2008, during the Bush administration.  They’d be screaming about being smeared as traitors for their political beliefs, and they’d be right to do so.  That’s exactly what the Obama administration and Janet Napolitano has done here.

This is a disgrace.  Congress should demand Napolitano’s resignation immediately, and the White House should apologize for this attack on normal political dissent.

Update: A few say that the DHS has to track threats and give these kinds of assessments.  Read the report again.  DHS can’t find any threats, nor do they provide even a hint that they have any evidence that extremism on the Right has increased.  They don’t claim to see increases in fringe-group memberships from last year, or even last decade.  This report is filled with nothing but completely unsupported conjecture about what might happen if people get upset about the economy or a retreat on American sovereignty.  It’s not an honest national-security threat assessment at all.  It’s a political hit piece aimed at this administration’s critics in order to cast them as extremists.

Update II: My friend Jazz Shaw files this under “fauxrage”, which makes a nice companion set with Obamteurisms.  Read the whole thing, but I’ll challenge my pal to identify one actual threat cited by DHS, or one set of actual data in the entire report.  Oh, and the veteran thing?  I’m not the one who took offense to that.  Talk to the American Legion, which is extremely unhappy with DHS at the moment.


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According to Reuters, a similar report on “left-wing radicals” was issued by DHS in January:

DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban said on Tuesday the report was one of an ongoing series of threat assessments aimed at “a greater understanding of violent radicalization in the U.S.”

A similar assessment of left-wing radicals completed in January was distributed to federal, state and local police agencies at that time.

“These assessments are done all the time, this is nothing unusual,” Kuban said.

I’m still trying to find this report.

Paul_in_NJ on April 15, 2009 at 7:22 AM

But the Vets are a bunch of Red State dwelling, uneducated southern hicks who are trained to kill. You are dangerous!

Daemonocracy on April 15, 2009 at 5:50 AM

Precisely. It only took 1 Tim McVeigh.

capitulus on April 15, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Boy, Republicans have officially become the “cry baby” party. I know you guys love to play the victim, but this is a little ridiculous.

First off, Ed, this report was first requested over a year ago. I don’t know how much Obama or Napolitano had to do with this report.

Bottom line: DHS has no actual data. They’re pulling threats out of their collective arse and publishing them without any supporting research whatsoever.

Ed, they cite the recent shooting of officers in PA by a man who feared a “one-world government” as an example of the violence that the right-wing rhetoric can incite. They also cite the rise of right-wing violence under Clinton in the 90s — culminating in Oklahoma City — as reason to believe it could flare up again — especially considering it’s really the first black president in office.

And the veteran thing, all they said is that these group may try and recruit them. Are you so naive to think that no US servicemen may be susceptible to recruitment by extremist groups? All returning servicemen are well-grounded adults who always do the right thing?

And, if you’re all offended by the term “right-wing,” well, DHS issued a report in January that used the term “left-wing”… but I don’t recall the left getting their collective undies in a bunch.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

Bottom line: The rhetoric of the right that’s increasing making it’s way into the mainstream (see Glen Beck) can spur on violent acts by paranoid extremists.

It’s a hard truth for you guys to face. And this…

Congress should demand Napolitano’s resignation immediately, and the White House should apologize for this attack on normal political dissent.

Is just utterly ridiculous. Are you really serious about that?

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM

It is not because the President is black, it is because he is imcompetent and dangerous.

Passionate-Conservative on April 15, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Precisely. It only took 1 Tim McVeigh.

capitulus on April 15, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Leftist hero Lee Harvey Oswald did everything he could to advance socialism,like kill a President.

Baxter Greene on April 15, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Boy, Republicans have officially become the “cry baby” party.

Who’s Republican. We’re Americans. And while it may not bother you and other useful idiots that the Federal government is out of control and snowballing rapidly into disasterous porportions under the power-crazed Obamacrats, there are a lot of us who refuse to sit quietly and watch this colossal clusterfu*ck without trying to sound the alarm.

RandyChandler on April 15, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Who’s Republican. We’re Americans. And while it may not bother you and other useful idiots that the Federal government is out of control and snowballing rapidly into disasterous porportions under the power-crazed Obamacrats, there are a lot of us who refuse to sit quietly and watch this colossal clusterfu*ck without trying to sound the alarm.

This is just too funny. Bush expanded the government like a drunken democrat, yet you guys cheered him on as the greatest president ever.

As soon as the calendar hit Jan 20th, the switch was flipped and the government suddenly became too powerful, oppressive, “threatening the American way of life…” yada yada yada.

One other note about this story, and why I have a soft spot in my heart for it. Every other phrase out of the right-wing’s mouth has been “Can you imagine if Bush…” In this case, it’s “can you image if Bush issued a report on the threat of ‘left-wing’ extremists???” Well, he did, and there wasn’t the collective hissy-fit that the right is currently engaging in.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Think they’ll make a movie one day in the spirit of such nuggets as The US vs John Lennon or Good night and good luck?
I doubt it too.

Bladerunner1701 on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM

The liberals have always defined any speech that they disagree with as hate speech, and sought to outlaw it.

This is just a logical extension of that trend.

Any political action that runs counter to your goals is defined as extremist, and hence must be brought under govt control as quickly as possible.

MarkTheGreat on April 15, 2009 at 9:07 AM

This is just too funny. Bush expanded the government like a drunken democrat, yet you guys cheered him on as the greatest president ever.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM

When reality doesn’t fit your agenda, just ignore it.

My memory has most people here tearing Bush many new ones.
Bush was praised on the WOT, but that was all, he was roundly and widely criticized for everything else.

MarkTheGreat on April 15, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Yes we can imagine if Bush had done this and that is because unlike BO, Bush did not have the MSM in his camp. BO I don’t think has never had a difficult question asked by the media and of course the media lavishly praises BO, while Bush was castigated daily even though he did spend money like there was no end to it. Even his big spending didn’t satisfy his leftist critics.

garydt on April 15, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I am phoning Homeland Security today and giving them/her a pc of my mind. Secondly I will offer them my name, address and how to have the Obama Hitler Youth to come get me. HOW DARE THAT WITCH?? She couldnt take care of her home state and now this dingbat is in charge of our security??? Gimme a break.

kittyAJ on April 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Bottom line: The rhetoric of the right that’s increasing making it’s way into the mainstream (see Glen Beck) can spur on violent acts by paranoid extremists.
Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Obama starts off his campaign in the livingroom of one of the most notorious domestic terrorist groups in this nation and you want to whine about Glenn Beck.

Do you realize how stupid liberals look with these pathetic arguments.

Patriotism Alert: Airman Shot In Heart By Anti-War Protestor; MSM Covers Up Anti-War Motive

this 22 year old guy walked up to him and asked him if he lived in the house. When Jon said yes, the guy said “not any more” and shot him point blank in the chest. He tried to shoot him again, but his gun jammed. Jonathan made it into the house. The guy then shot himself. Turns out the guy left a couple of suicide notes stating how much he hated the military and he wanted to go out making a statement, so he chose to make his statement on Independence Day trying to kill a soldier.

Where was the outrage by the left after this shipley,.
There was little to no coverage of this incident and hundreds more perpetrated by liberals in the name of their ideology:

Bush-Hating “Peace Activist” & AX MURDERER Sentenced

Peace activist Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Michigan was seeking to punish the Netherlands for its support of the war in Iraq. So, Carlos ambushed a 22-year-old Dutch student with an ax after failing to find a soldier to kill.

Carlos H. spent the night before the murder in the bushes at the army barracks. When his mission there failed, the man wished to kill a civil servant. When this also failed he eventually chose Geers at random because he looked “suitable for military service”, he told the judges.

The American declared to police that he wished to commit an act against the Netherlands because the country was assisting the “war of Bush”, as his lawyer stated earlier in a regional Dutch newspaper. In the past the suspect worked for the US Air Force. He did not serve in Iraq himself.

It would be nice to be able to single out a certain liberal pundit or elected official for spreading the hate and lies that led liberals to commit acts like this,but there are so many.Olberman,Rhodes,Harry Reid,Nancy Pelosi,Bill Maher,Alec Baldwin.
Democrats that are elected,in entertainment,or talk shows all spread the “Bush lied” “Bush’s war for oil “,”Bush did 9/11″ propaganda that lead to violence against our Soldiers and anyone who disagreed with them politically.

Incident after Incident of liberals attacking recruitment centers or memorials for our men and women in uniform.
All in the name of their political ideology and fueled by their leadership on a daily basis.

Police arrested 24-year old Michael Burkett of Boise early Sunday morning after officers with Capitol Mall Security reported spotting him vandalizing two flag polls on the grounds of the Idaho Statehouse.

The flags are memorials to soldiers who lost their lives in the war on terror.

Burkett was charged with resisting arrest and Malicious Injury to Property. He and his 22-year-old brother, Tom Burkett, also charged with the vandalism, are the sons of state Sen. Michael Burkett (D) of Idaho’s 19th district.

War is Shit
by And Tuesday, Feb. 01, 2005 at 7:43 PM

Feb 1, A recruiting center in Toledo was targeted in the early hours. having its window smashed, a bucket of shit was then thrown in.

We have democrats attacking people that disagree with them politically:

Gainsville, Fla., Democrat David P. McCally was charged with battery after he allegedly barged into a local GOP office, assaulted a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and punched a local Republican chairman in September 2004. (Credit: Alachua County Jail.)

We have democrats doing everything they can to suppress the rights of others to vote

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde, son of congresswoman Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee), was one of five paid Kerry campaign workers in Milwaukee who allegedly slashed the tires of 20 vans that had been rented by Wisconsin Republicans as part of their Election Day 2004 get-out-the-vote effort. (Credit: Milwaukee County Police.)

We have liberals continuously burning the American flag (the flag liberals like now that a democrat is in office)
and burning replica’s of our Soldiers while they tell everybody how terrible it is that Saddam is gone:

Leftists Supporting the Troops

Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 5:26:23 pm PDT

Discovered by a reader at Indymedia, this was the scene yesterday in Portland, Oregon, as “anti-war” demonstrators burned not only a US flag, but a US soldier in effigy.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Leftists_Supporting_the_Troops&only

We have democrats chasing down women and children to threaten them because they have different political beliefs.

Nathan Winkler of Tampa, Fla., was arrested and charged with aggravated stalking in March 2005 for allegedly terrorizing a mother who had a Bush-Cheney bumper sticker on her car. Click on the video here to listen to an excerpt of the mother’s frantic call to 911. Winkler reportedly had a handmade sign in his window that read, “Never forget Bush’s illegal oil war murdered thousands in Iraq.” (Credit: Tampa Police Department.)

We have democrats trying to run people over in the street because they disagree with their politics.

Florida Democrat Barry Seltzer allegedly tried to run down congresswoman Katherine Harris with his Cadillac as she was campaigning in Sarasota, Fla., in October 2004. See the arrest report here. (Credit: Sarasota Police Department via The Smoking Gun.)

We have democrats pulling guns (ohhh the irony here)on people because they disagree with them politically.
: Suspect Arrested In Republican Party Scare]
LAS VEGAS, Nev. — By Frank Curreri FOX5Vegas.com

A man has been arrested in connection with an incident earlier this month, when someone pressed a rifle to the face of a Nevada Republican Party official and threatened to “take action” if President George W. Bush vetoed a particular piece of legislation.

Over and over and over liberals attacked innocent people because they disagreed with there politics.

Over and over and over liberals attacked our Soldiers and their recruitment centers because of their ideology(of course now that Obama is doing the same things Bush did,it’s okay).
Code pink was even given free permits by city officials so that they could attack our Marines for free.
How Progressive!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama sat in a church for 20 yrs. listening to “God Dam# America”,”We deserved 9/11″,and supported a black liberation separatist theology that calls for the genocide of the white race if they don’t conform.
We were told this is guilt by association.

Obama sits on a board,has campaign dinners,and is close friends with Ayers/Dohrn,leaders of the weather underground and we are told it’s guilt by association.

Liberals spent eight years calling for Bush/Cheney’s death,having marches showing their heads being cut off,daily posting on prominent liberal blogs calling for their deaths,and attacks against people all over the country because they disagreed with them politically and liberals want to use some guy in Pittsburgh as proof the right are the dangerous ones.

This is the height of idiocy,hypocrisy,and distraction from their own bigoted and hateful actions in their pursuit of political power.

Baxter Greene on April 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Bush was praised on the WOT, but that was all, he was roundly and widely criticized for everything else.

True, there were plenty on the right who criticized Bush. But there wasn’t this — he hates America, he’s changing America, the government is oppressive BS that’s been bandied about since Obama has taken office.

And that’s why this report is so on the nose. The paranoid extreme right has flared up is rhetoric — and the really scary thing is that it’s not just the far right indulging in these conspiracy theories. You see people on this site (not the original posters) but people in threads throwing these ideas around.

You couple this with the fact that many love guns and right-wing extremist groups have committed violent acts in the recent past, well, the only reason I right-wingers are enraged by this report is because it’s true.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

BO I don’t think has never had a difficult question asked by the media and of course the media lavishly praises BO

Actually, we agree on this one!

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Baxter Greene on April 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Hey, I’m not saying the extreme left wing doesn’t engage in violent acts, dude.

Never have. But what I recall is Malkin’s and HA attempt to paint extremist violence as a purely “left-wing” function. That was fun.

That’s another reason you guys are in such a huff about this… it goes against that narrative you worked so hard to create.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Never have heard a report about the MSM claiming that BO is changing the government and making it oppressive. The only place Ive seen that is in the blogs and still waiting for the MSM to ask BO something difficult other then “how do you like your new dog”? Futhermore if you think all vets are suspect, are you going to stretch back to the world war two vets and accuse them of terrorism too? Its quit shocking to see how the vets being called a bunch of red state hicks.

garydt on April 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Bottom line: The rhetoric of the right that’s increasing making it’s way into the mainstream

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM

The concepts of the mainstream are being framed by the MSM, and now the DHS under Napolitano, as extremist rhetoric.

Things like federalism, and life, and military service, and separation of powers, and legal immigration, and the Second amendment, and more than anything else; sound economic principles.

The DHS is being used as a tool for the politics of personal destruction. Using a Federal agency as if it is an “Anita Hill”, on the day before a major national protest being billed by the media as extreme right wing, is extremely corrupt.

The movement among the mainstream population is growing, and the administration knows it.

It is an extremely unusual time in modern history when a national street protest of this size doesn’t resemble the press’s template norm of a Woodstock reunion. Napolitano is using the power of her office to aid the MSM and the DNC.

She should resign.

Next…

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM

uthermore if you think all vets are suspect, are you going to stretch back to the world war two vets and accuse them of terrorism too?

Are you f’ing retarded? Honestly. Here’s what I said.

And the veteran thing, all they said is that these group may try and recruit them. Are you so naive to think that no US servicemen may be susceptible to recruitment by extremist groups? All returning servicemen are well-grounded adults who always do the right thing?

In no way to I accuse all vets of being suspect. And I in no way accuse ANY vets of being terrorist.

This is the crap that makes my blood boil. Twisting of words. You’re a fucking idiot.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM

This is just too funny. Bush expanded the government like a drunken democrat, yet you guys cheered him on as the greatest president ever.

Now you’re just being silly, which is no excuse for making shit up and trying to rewrite history.

What we’re witnessing now is the rise of leftwing fascism in the U.S. That’s what your hope & change has wrought.

Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats in expanding the Federal government; it’s simply that the Dems are diabolical in their brazen power-grab–and they happen to be at the helm while the nation circles the drain.

To sum up: The Republicans sold out, and the Democrats sold their souls to a radical cult of philosophy.

And the Thought Police are at the door.

RandyChandler on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That’s another reason you guys are in such a huff about this… it goes against that narrative you worked so hard to create.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

We did not have to create anything.
You liberals created this narrative by your actions.

Unlike this latest DHS report on “right wingers”,the left gave hundreds if not thousands of reasons and incidents to conclude they are unhinged.
This DHS report repeatedly states they pretty much have no evidence to support their claims.
There is a big difference.

Of course there are nuts in every camp.
The difference is that the MSM and liberals excuse,ignore,or lie about their radicalism that reached mainstream level while they blow out of proportion,cut-and-paste information ,and go to extremes to connect Republicans to any act of someone.

I could fill this thread up with hundreds of democratic politicians,talk show hosts,and supporters that commit and support violence,revolution,and killing of dissent.

The comparison is not even close.

Baxter Greene on April 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

The only place Ive seen that is in the blogs and still waiting for the MSM to ask BO something difficult other then “how do you like your new dog”?

garydt on April 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Follow up question:

“I’m sorry, Mr. President, I meant your German shepherd at DHS.”

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

You have it right Baxter, the media completely ignores or lie about the extreme left wing threats. Like you say you can put up lots of examples but yet the media ignores, omits or lies about it. Every right wing mistake is out there on the front page.

garydt on April 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

This is just too funny. Bush expanded the government like a drunken democrat, yet you guys cheered him on as the greatest president ever.

As soon as the calendar hit Jan 20th, the switch was flipped and the government suddenly became too powerful, oppressive, “threatening the American way of life…” yada yada yada.

One other note about this story, and why I have a soft spot in my heart for it. Every other phrase out of the right-wing’s mouth has been “Can you imagine if Bush…” In this case, it’s “can you image if Bush issued a report on the threat of ‘left-wing’ extremists???” Well, he did, and there wasn’t the collective hissy-fit that the right is currently engaging in.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Thank you for you contribution and agreeing with me. This is precisely what I’ve been trying to make people here understand. Bush was equally draconian with no regard of the Constitution as Obama, yet all of a sudden Obama is the extremist. It’s just terrible hypocrisy. I pointed out that reports like this were leaked during the Bush admins DHS and there was no outrage.

We can never be truly free until we break this partisan divide and see beyond the politician to see who truly benefits from all this unconstitutional legislation and all these bankster bailouts.

True_King on April 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I’ll bet Bill Ayers and his wife will be surprised to learn that under the DHS “report”, they’d now be considered “right wing extremists”.

Just more Democratic “nuance”.

GarandFan on April 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Kind of like how the DHS security issued a threat warning about left-wing extremist that was crafted under Bush?

Next…

Things like federalism, and life, and military service, and separation of powers, and legal immigration, and the Second amendment, and more than anything else; sound economic principles.

This report is merely relating what they’ve seen — that radical, right-wing groups use issues like these to recruit. You can be against big government and a perfectly sane, rational person who has the best interests of America at heart. But you can also be against big government and spout conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camps while calling for violent acts against an oppressive government.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

We can never be truly free until we break this partisan divide and see beyond the politician to see who truly benefits from all this unconstitutional legislation and all these bankster bailouts.

Well, we agree in the sense the that there’s a hypocrisy on the right for now having this paranoia under Bush. But I agree with you that the bank bailouts are unconstitutional.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Leftist hero Lee Harvey Oswald did everything he could to advance socialism,like kill a President.

Baxter Greene on April 15, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Left, right – whatever. They’re trained killers. You forgot John Allen Muhammad, expert marksman and beltway sniper.

When these guys snap, they can do a lot of damage.

capitulus on April 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Well, we agree in the sense the that there’s a hypocrisy on the right for now having this paranoia under Bush. But I agree with you that the bank bailouts are unconstitutional.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Thank you for your well thought contribution.

The executive branch is a huge problem, regardless of who’s President.

True_King on April 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

By the way, how is it that we’re violent rightwing extremists while Obama’s pal Bill Ayers is a distinguished professor and Fidel Castro is a great leader? If we are to believe the national narrative, the Left’s acts of violence and oppression can be nothing but heroic. But then you’d have to be really stupid to buy that load of Lefty crap.

This DHS report is an inept attempt to marginalize and otherwise defang the growing movement of citizens dissatisfied with what politicians are doing (and have done) to America. Guess what. It won’t work. It’s already having the opposite effect.

RandyChandler on April 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Kind of like how the DHS security issued a threat warning about left-wing extremist that was crafted under Bush?

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

I read the report.

Show me in that report, where it deliberately frames mainstream thought as left wing extremism.

And then show me where it was being done in a way to work with the MSM to label the mainstream population.

*yawn*

Next…

Next…

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

But I agree with you that the bank bailouts are unconstitutional.

Actually, that should be I don’t agree with you that that bank bailouts are unconstitutional.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM

And then show me where it was being done in a way to work with the MSM to label the mainstream population.

Hate to break it to ya, bub, but conspiracy theories are not “mainstream.”

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Neither was Reagan(and all presidents up to Bush II) allowed to give businesses carte blanche to overly tilt labor laws in their favor, or destroy entire regions of the United States. What he started, others continued or received payment to continue.

The difference is that actually happened. The socialism you’re talking about already is in Wall Street. It just gets called socialism and decried when Main Street or Detroit want in on it.

sethstorm on April 15, 2009 at 6:25 AM

Ah, yes, who can forget the Business Carte Blanche To Tilt Labor Laws Act of 1983? Younger readers might be surprised to learn we used to have these things called “unions” that worked hand-in-hand with government to inflate the cost of labor through collective bargaining, but Reagan eliminated them before you were born. Good thing, too, or else they might have taken over public education and turned it into a global laughingstock that produces high school students who can barely read. They might even have extracted such ridiculous compensation packages from certain industries that they actually drove them into bankruptcy, refusing to budge an inch on their demands and expecting taxpayers to subsidize the industry’s losses. Some people back in the Regan years even warned that unions would one day be politically powerful enough to elect a president that would try to take away the rights of workers to have a secret ballot when they voted to unionize, but that was dismissed as crazy talk. Good thing we never had to find out if it was true!

Conservatives sure did love that Fannie Mae operation when it was dishing up the socialism to Wall Street, no doubt about that. Right-wing maniacs like Barney Frank were even willing to perjure themselves before Congress to protect it. It’s embarrassing that no conservatives ever objected to socialism until it was proposed in Detroit. There are even some conservatives who are sitting on the fence and refusing to denounce socialism until it reaches Sheboygan.

This is just too funny. Bush expanded the government like a drunken democrat, yet you guys cheered him on as the greatest president ever.

As soon as the calendar hit Jan 20th, the switch was flipped and the government suddenly became too powerful, oppressive, “threatening the American way of life…” yada yada yada.

One other note about this story, and why I have a soft spot in my heart for it. Every other phrase out of the right-wing’s mouth has been “Can you imagine if Bush…” In this case, it’s “can you image if Bush issued a report on the threat of ‘left-wing’ extremists???” Well, he did, and there wasn’t the collective hissy-fit that the right is currently engaging in.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM

I assume you’ve got some citations and links to show all of us cheering Bush as the greatest president ever? Or even most of us? Some of us? Didn’t think so. Maybe you could spend Tax Day looking for some. I suggest you start searching on 9/12/2001.

Maybe while you’re doing that, I’ll look for some articles and blog posts from prominent conservatives who thought the government was too powerful and oppressive before January 20, 2009. We can come back and post our findings. Something tells me I’ll be back first.

Bush certainly did set the stage for the latest DHS report with that report on left-wing extremism, didn’t he? I remember all the liberals howling about it at the time: the way it defined left-wing extremism as “not just fascist or hate groups, but also groups that embrace federal authority instead of state or local authority.” We were cautioned to be suspicious of liberal groups that “are dedicated to a single-issue, such as abortion rights, or expanding welfare benefits for illegal immigrants.” Great concern was expressed about the possibility that left-wing extremist organizations like Daily Kos might be gaining new recruits, and Bush’s DHS was openly worried about the way returning military veterans from Clinton’s operations in Bosnia might face significant challenges re-integrating into their communities – which could have led to the “potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.” It was an outrage, all right.

It would be nice if you cretins would stop wasting our time babbling about the stuff the imaginary conservatives in your head are saying. The only advantage to giving you a Green Room of your own would be that you’d have a play pen where you could throw wild punches at shadows, and congratulate yourselves for landing knockout punches, while the adults get on with the main event in the ring.

Doctor Zero on April 15, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Gosh, I don’t want anyone to say I’m an extremist – I guess I could sell the ammo for a tidy profit but where am I gonna unload all of those canned goods the wife has amassed?

Really, this is serious. Being labeled an extremist by the federal government could have adverse consequences, like going to jail for tax mistakes instead of being awarded a cabinet-level position.

Does anyone know what to do? Does Homeland Security have a loyalty oath I could take or something? How did Bill Ayers become an upstanding citizen again after his nonviolent public protests and personal opinions got him in trouble?

Venusian Visitor on April 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Hate to break it to ya, bub, but conspiracy theories are not “mainstream.”

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Glad you see it my way.

See if you can keep up, next time.

Next…

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

This is the crap that makes my blood boil. Twisting of words. You’re a fucking idiot.

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM

And you need to learn how to spell. Nice language, by the way.

Johan Klaus on April 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Left, right – whatever. They’re trained killers. You forgot John Allen Muhammad, expert marksman and beltway sniper.

When these guys snap, they can do a lot of damage.

capitulus on April 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

And leftist.

Johan Klaus on April 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

True, there were plenty on the right who criticized Bush. But there wasn’t this — he hates America, he’s changing America, the government is oppressive BS that’s been bandied about since Obama has taken office.

And that’s why this report is so on the nose. The paranoid .

Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Do you honestly think that Obama is not trying to change the U.S.A. into a socialist country.

Johan Klaus on April 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Last night, @ Chapel Hill, UNC LEFTISTS prove again their terrorism, preventing Tancredo from speaking as invited, mobbing violently, breaking windows, shouting, shoving, encroaching–only backing off when tazers were threatened to be used by Security.

maverick muse on April 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I know everyone is all hot and bothered about this report, but I downloaded the PDF back in Mar of 2008. Compared it with the one available today, exact same document. How come it took so long to become inflamed about it?

N4646W on April 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM

What Obama hates is the individual freedom of ordinary citizens. He wants the government to control all facets of life for the little people. See, we ordinary joes and janes are just too stupid to know what’s good for us and we need Big Brother to runs our lives, top to bottom, cradle to grave.

Comrade Obama is a very dangerous man to be running the country at a time when the nation is in crisis and half the population are clueless as to what’s really going on. And if you think that’s paranoia, then you must have your head up your nether regions–or else you’re a true believer in thrall to the One You’ve Been Waiting For.

America is in extremis.

RandyChandler on April 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Jake Tapper has a link to the Lefwing report, which is also 9 pages. Interestingly, his report links to FOXNEWS for the PDF.

If you compare the 2 reports, it seems like the Leftwing report cites more specific examples, names specific groups.

I wonder if DHS was asked to prepare reports on both groups, and had a harder time finding concrete evidence on the rightwingers? Both reports are the same length, maybe some bureaucrat was just tossing in speculation to make the report long enough.

hawksruleva on April 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Isn’t this what they call Profiling?

This report reveals one hard fact: they are afraid

They are afraid enough to profile an entire segment of America who might disagree with their agenda

That they are afraid is good. It shows a lack of confidence in their own public support

That they are afraid is also bad because these are the weaklings, the arugula eaters, the latte drinkers, the touchy feely emoters who dislike weapons but embrace infanticide, who fight like beasts against the cigarette but pray for marijuana liberty, who love pornography but fear obedient Christians

I have learned in my long sad life it is the rats who have no standards

You will be trampled by a rat fleeing a sinking ship

You will have food taken from the mouth of a babe by a hungry rat

And nothing fights dirtier than a cornered rat

entagor on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Breaking!!!!

New DHS report released this morning clarifies extremists!!!

The new report has been skimmed through and boiled down to one sentence … “Rightwingers are extremists”.

This report is available at the DHS website.

darwin on April 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM

This report is a desperate attempt to use the Left’s tiring strategy of intimidating the unsuspecting mainstream into being shocked to find out that they are freaks for not supporting Marxist ideology, in hopes that it will provide cover for Bill Ayer’s political ally in the White House.

Saltysam on April 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Is DHS setting the stage to start “investigating” all of us?

To quote Monte Python, “Help! Help! I’m being oppressed! Violence inherent in the system!
Violence inherent in the system!”

AeroSpear on April 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM

This is part of Obama’s grand plan to demoralize the armed forces.

The job of the military is to put their lives on the line for their country even as their mission is being attacked by the left at home and then to return home, not to a heroes welcome, but to be told that they are a danger to their own country- unless they give up their rights as free citizens and support the party in power.

This is disgraceful and sick and veterans ought to peacefully march on Washington and demand a retraction of this calumny from Billy Ayers’ buddy.

Basilsbest on April 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

This report is merely relating what they’ve seen — that radical, right-wing groups use issues like these to recruit.
Tom_Shipley on April 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

You’re a liar and the truth is not in you. The DHS did not specify one single action committed by “rightwing activists” in the name of any issue. The agency only documented the fears and prejudices of the person writing the report and the fruit of that writer’s imagination –what the writer conjured therefrom.

IOW, DHS is making policy from fiction.

baldilocks on April 15, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Napolitano stands by the report
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/

oldernwiser on April 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Hmmmmmmmm…….looks like a lot of people owe Glen Beck an appology.

.

GT on April 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Left, right – whatever.

capitulus on April 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Interesting how your attitude about partisan blame changes once Marxists are listed as domestic terrorists.

MadisonConservative on April 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM

So let’s be terrified of veterans! Let’s treat them all like potential suspects, even though we don’t have one iota of evidence of any wrongdoing at all. Yeah, that’s the American way.

Sadly, it appears to be. And the asshat Napalitano(sp?) is throwing gas on the fire.
Hussein’s crowd are cheering her on, I’m sure.

dogsoldier on April 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Ok, don’t know what is going on here, but my earlier post was deleted.

I don’t understand all the excitement about this document. It has been on the net for over a year. I down loaded it in Mar 29 of 2008. Checked the PDF files and they are a match. How come it took so long to get all worked over it?

N4646W on April 15, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Why did the DHS put out this BOGUS report on so-called “right-wing extremists” when in FACT all 11 people wanted on the FBI most wanted list for DOMESTIC TERRORISM are LEFT-WING EXTREMISTS?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/dt/fug_dt.htm

2 Black Liberation Army members (See Jeremiah Wright)
2 members of the May 19 Communist Organization
5 members of ALF or ELF
2 members of the Puerto Rican Liberation Front (Communist)

NOT ONE “RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST” is wanted by the FBI…GO FIGURE.

WE ALL why the DHS put out the BOGUS report.

nelsonknows on April 16, 2009 at 6:54 AM

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