Obama not present during Senate hearings on Somalia, piracy

posted at 11:38 am on April 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Joe Biden once predicted that the world would rush to test an inexperienced President, but in truth Barack Obama was even less experienced than we knew.  In this past crisis, for instance, Obama should have been working from a substantial base of knowledge, as both he an Joe Biden served on the Senate Foreign Affairs subcommittee on African affairs.  HA reader Morgen, who posts occasionally at Verum Serum, discovered that when the subcommittee met to discuss the issue of Somalia and piracy over the last three years, both the President and VP were no-shows.

  • July 11, 2006 – Somalia: U.S. Government Policy and Challenges
  • July 17, 2007 – Democratic Developments in Sub-Saharan Africa – Moving Forwards or Backwards
  • August 1, 2007 – Exploring the U.S. Africa Command and a New Strategic Relationship with Africa
  • September 27, 2007 – The United Nation’s Convention on the Law of the Sea
  • March 11, 2008 – Evaluating U.S. Policy Options on the Horn of Africa

Biden missed another in 2002.  Seems like neither man took a particular interest in Somalia, piracy, or Horn of Africa issues when assigned to this committee.

John Kerry demanded hearings when the crisis erupted:

These acts of piracy off of Somalia’s coastline may seem surreal, but they’re all too real and a thorough policy debate is long overdue.  When Americans, including at least one from Massachusetts, are endangered, you’ve got a complicated and dangerous international situation brewing, and that includes questions about a hot pursuit policy on Somalia’s coastline. There have been more than 50 attacks in the area this year alone and the problem isn’t going away. I plan to hold hearings to further examine the growing threat of piracy and all the policy options that need to be on the table before the next fire drill becomes an international incident with big implications.

Maybe he could have attended even one of the meetings listed above before the crisis erupted in order to prevent it from happening in the first place.  Kerry also missed every one of these hearings, and unlike Biden and Obama, wasn’t running for President in 2007-8.  Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?


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blatantblue on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Who cares? The President has a new dog!

rockmom on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Ed clean up on the DHS thread.

carbon_footprint on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Unacceptable. Impeach the bastard.

ErinF on April 14, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Kerry is still making money from Addams Family reruns…

DCJeff on April 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Who cares? The President has a new dog!

rockmom on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

ROFL!!!

Well since he had no dog at the time, maybe his excuse for missing those important committee meetings was….Michelle ate his homework? lol

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Am I the only one having a hard time getting on here this morning?

Knucklehead on April 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM

During Presidential races, we always hear about what a Senator or Congressman will do to solve an issue – if elected. What the press ALWAYS misses is that, as members of Congress, they are already in a powerful position to address issues. Why they can’t address them until elected President is beyond me.

SouthernRoots on April 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM

CNN and MSNBC will be airing this information to the general public ASAP………never mind, Obambi and company were doing something far more important like using time on their current jobs to campaign for their next jobs. This is something I feel very strongly about, anyone in Congress who decides to run for a different office should have to resign from their current office first. As was so abundantly clear during the last election Obambi has set the standard of spending atleast 2 yrs running for President and taking no responsibility for being a sitting Senator.

tempestleo on April 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Am I the only one having a hard time getting on here this morning?

Knucklehead on April 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Site was down…MM too…it’s still a little slow clicking around the site, but at least it’s up.

JetBoy on April 14, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Didn’t Obama have a pretty low attendance record during his brief Senate term? I’ll bet he missed all kinds of interesting and relevant hearings.

AUINSC on April 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Maybe he could have attended even one of the meetings listed above before the crisis erupted in order to prevent it from happening in the first place.

So, had Oprompta attended one of these meetings, his input would have solved the problem? Seriously?

Akzed on April 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM

So, had Oprompta attended one of these meetings, his input would have solved the problem? Seriously?

Akzed on April 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM

No, but he might have learned something about it while sitting in. Seriously.

Rogue Traveler on April 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM

But … but … but he killed the pirates all on his own!

Swoon…

/Joe Klein

JammieWearingFool on April 14, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Meanwhile the Liberal BS in the MSM is astroturfing for Pirates.

The Age of Somalian Pirates is in line with the median age in the country of Somalia 17 years old, the life expectancy is 47 years old for males, that means a 16 year old would be a full grown man in their culture-country – Not the same as in Western culture. So why is our Media using a Western measuring stick for non Western people? Slow, Ignorant, Lazy….

http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/04/somalia-teenage-wasteland.html

Dr Evil on April 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Who cares? The President has a new dog!

rockmom on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

HA HA! And a WATER DOG given to them from Ted Kennedy. Does anyone else see the irony of this?

portlandon on April 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Well,Somalia,is even smaller than Iran,and therefore,
in the Liberal mindset are probably just as annoying
as mosquitos!!(Sarc).

canopfor on April 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Im seeing the irony. heh

Of course, Obama missed those pesky hearings…he was too busy running for POTUS. Loser.

becki51758 on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Ed, since you’ve been researching Obama’s record on piracy, you surely know that shortly after he took office, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a directive that allowed the U.S. Navy to pursue pirates around the Horn of Africa… something that had not been done under the Bush administration.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2009/02/us-navy-apprehe.html

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I hope, Hopey/Changey, doesn’t call the new dog,
Jack Sparrow!!Ahem.

canopfor on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

HA HA! And a WATER DOG given to them from Ted Kennedy. Does anyone else see the irony of this?

portlandon on April 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM

And the comedians say that don’t have anything of substance on Obama…this alone would be good for 5 minutes if it was Bush.
Obama and Biden, never had to be at any meetings…one had the “tenure” card, the other had another card he was playing.

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM

HA HA! And a WATER DOG given to them from Ted Kennedy. Does anyone else see the irony of this?

LOL. Yep. That whole story is just full of FAIL and unintentionalk comedy. From the broken “rescue” promise to the girls naming it with B.O.s initials all on their own

But, no, there is no material for comedians with the new president. LMAO….

reaganaut on April 14, 2009 at 12:10 PM

shortly after he took office, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a directive that allowed the U.S. Navy to pursue pirates around the Horn of Africa…

So they could find out what their grievances are and negotiate.

Rocks on April 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I’d actually like to hear why Obama missed them all.

Maybe a reporter with some balls will ask him.

Dave Rywall on April 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Good catch, exactly. The Pentagon and their staff have been analyzing this for months (multinational team called Combined Task Force 151), this was pulled together by President Bush, and the results were initiated on Feb.11.

The Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) established Combined Task Force 151 (CTF-151) Jan. 8 specifically for counter-piracy operations.
Release Date: 1/8/2009 6:16:00 AM

These take months to put together…it shows that President Bush was far ahead of Obama, and Obama can take credit for what President Bush created.
Too bad Obama never were at these any of these “piracy” meetings, he would have known what was going on, apparently President Bush knew, and did something about it.

Thanks for bringing up what an excellent CINC President Bush was.

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I am not really sure of the veracity of this story. It’s not like Obama to miss an opportunity to vote “Present”.

Rocks on April 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM

So they could find out what their grievances are and negotiate.

No, so they could be arrested and sent to Kenya to be tried.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Am I the only one having a hard time getting on here this morning?

Knucklehead on April 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I started noticing that once the info on the DHS hit piece came up. . . Not that I’m paranoid or anything.

Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?

Marries rich women. Things like the Senate are just hobbies.

rbj on April 14, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Ed, you just got a plug from Rush.

JammieWearingFool on April 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Perhaps the credit may lie more with Bush on that one. But still, I find this attempt to sully Obama at every possible moment a bit over-the-top.

In this past crisis, for instance, Obama should have been working from a substantial base of knowledge as both he an Joe Biden served on the Senate Foreign Affairs subcommittee on African affair.

Ed doesn’t know the depths of Obama’s knowledge about the piracy problem. He insinuates he was somehow ill-prepared for what happened, even though there’s no evidence of this.

It’s a joke.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I think it’s unfair that HotAir keeps distracting Obama.

Hey look, he’s on TV again!

moonsbreath on April 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I’m willing to give him some leeway on these meetings. I mean, if Kerry’s not going, then why even be there? Seems to be a waste of time and an emission of harmful greenhouse gasses.

Even at hearings now, we would see some low-level flunky show up. (Piracy Czar, anyone?)

As I said earlier, it’s all about what he does to address the crisis on a broader front. My guess: punt.

Nethicus on April 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

LOL, yeah I’m sure Obama has been a real piracy expert all these years.

WisCon on April 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Ed doesn’t know the depths of Obama’s knowledge about the piracy problem. He insinuates he was somehow ill-prepared for what happened, even though there’s no evidence of this.

It’s a joke.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The “insinuation” is a pattern…Obama was a head of committees in the Senate and never called a meeting, he was on committees and never attended, he voted “present” how many times, and never issued any bill of any importance.
He was AWOL, much of his senate time, the excuse was that he was “running for office”, well he was also elected to serve.
The fact that he never showed up, isn’t an “insinuation”, it is a “continuation”…

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I would rather shoot myself rather than agree with Tom Shipley but this tic-tac game of gotcha is exactly what the media does all the time and it is real annoying.

Passionate-Conservative on April 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The micromanager who refuses briefings:

Pantywaist Pantywaste Potus

NOT PRESENT
NOT TARDY
AWOL

maverick muse on April 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Perhaps the credit may lie more with Bush on that one. But still, I find this attempt to sully Obama at every possible moment a bit over-the-top.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

You mean like your lame attempt to “sully” President Bush’s name at every chance?
This was the cry from many…We will treat Obama with the same respect that you liberals respected President Bush.
Too late to start whining about it now, you previous post shows how disingenuous you liberals are.

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

“Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?”

Waffling Parasite

maverick muse on April 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Tom_Shipley it would be hard with your posting record to defend your position about respectful disagreement. You have been and continue to be unfair on Bush

Passionate-Conservative on April 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

That’s funny, I served on the USS Nassau, doing the “command ship” role the USS Boxer is performing now, in early 2006 apprehending Somali pirates. We even injured a few and killed one. We were tasked with “pursuing pirates” since shortly after that cruise ship nearly was hijacked.

Here’s an article from one of the ships with us then, the USS Winston S. Churchill:

http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=22026

And another concerning the USS Cape St. George. They sent the body to us to put in our morgue and another guy – who lived – required extensive surgery after a .50 cal round went through his face (cheek to cheek), which we performed onboard.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=22784

We’ve been doing this for a while.

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Who cares? The President has a new dog!

rockmom on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

+1

CP on April 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Yes TOTUS never really gave much priority to foreign affairs.

saint on April 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I agree there’s no way Obama would miss an opportunity to vote present.
But perhaps he was in the gym?

“Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?”

I’m not sure, but I bet it has something to do with the word sphincter.

Badger40 on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

You mean like your lame attempt to “sully” President Bush’s name at every chance?

See, I didn’t try and Sully Bush at every chance. Of course you’re going to find someone somewhere that was a lunatic anti-Bush person. In Bush’s first year, he didn’t face constant, everyday attacks on him over ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. After 9/11, the country rallied around him.

The real breaking point was Iraq, where many Americans felt they were mislead and lied to about the threat Saddam posed to us… and the facts of the matter present a strong case that that did occur. That’ll make any relationship go sour.

But as far as my attacks on Bush go, they were always about substantial issues… like Iraq, or his staff outing Plame (which they did). I also post facts to back up my assertions. I never called him names. Or made broad general statements about him.

Now, you guys just don’t care. You attack Obama on EVERYTHING. It’s really unprecedented. But if that’s how you want to portray yourselves, I can’t stop you.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

In Bush’s first year, he didn’t face constant, everyday attacks on him over ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

You have got to be kidding.

Jim Treacher on April 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM

P.S. It’s called dissent, Tom. You should probably accustom yourself to it.

Jim Treacher on April 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I’d actually like to hear why Obama missed them all.

Maybe a reporter with some balls will ask him.

Dave Rywall on April 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I believe Yoda could answer that…

“Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained. A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless.

dominigan on April 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM

How can you expect something so mundane as foreign policy to interest him enough to involve himself in doing his job?

*Sigh*

Aronne on April 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?

Well, there’s this woman named Heinz …

MarkTheGreat on April 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The reason this post is ridiculous is that there is absolutely no substantive criticism of what Obama is actually doing with respect to the Somali pirates.

This post would have been relevant during the campaign when people were wondering what Obama would do and how prepared he would be. Well, now we’re in the middle of it, and we see what he’s doing. Yes, it would have been better if he had been at those sessions, but bringing it up *without* any accompanying criticism of his actually actions right now is obviously just attacking for the sake of attacking.

tneloms on April 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?

Remember Dan Aykroyd’s great SNL character? Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute.

“Put yourself in Fred’s hands, you deserve it.”

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

No Tom, we’re trying correct your assertions, which in the case of the piracy operations (and your abcnews reference) is untrue.

As to misled and lied to, hindsight is 20/20 – we didn’t find anything substantial about WMD, but Hussein was being too cagey by half in hiding something he no longer had the capability to do – and we called him on his bluff. His own commanders thought they still had the capability.

Bush was vilified from day ONE – they threw eggs at him immediately after the inauguration, forcing him to ride instead of taking the traditional walk. Or don’t you remember the constant hue and cry about “stealing the election”?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAp6YAPtC2c

As far as bush’s staff outing Plame, it depends on how wide you cast the net. It wasn’t his white house staff, but the #2 at state – Richard Armitage who mentioned her to Novak. The others merely repeated what they thought was already public knowledge. As far as anyone who works directly for a cabinet nominee being staff, fair enough, but where does that end? I’m active duty military, my boss is ultimately the President. Am I part of his “staff”?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/13/AR2006091301572.html

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM

is obviously just attacking for the sake of attacking.

tneloms on April 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM

That’s your take.
But remember-a little over half of America voted for Hope & Change.
Where in the hell is it?
He is Mr Perfect & I demand perfection!

Badger40 on April 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM

A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless.”

dominigan on April 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Sweet quote.
Only difference here was Luke wasn’t a narcissist.

Badger40 on April 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM

The real breaking point was Iraq, where many Americans felt they were mislead and lied to about the threat Saddam posed to us… and the facts of the matter present a strong case that that did occur. That’ll make any relationship go sour.

But as far as my attacks on Bush go, they were always about substantial issues… like Iraq, or his staff outing Plame (which they did).

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

First of all, the facts about Iraq can’t be blamed on Bush, as the majority of the intel about the country had been generated by the previous Administration. Senator Clinton said when she cast her yes vote that she did so based not on what Bush told her about Iraq WMDs, but what her husband’s intel people told her. They were the ones who got it wrong.

Second, the WMD issue was one of over a dozen justifications for going into Iraq. Read the Authorization of Force document in its entirety.

Of course, the anti-Bush media was waiting to jump on Chimpy, and did so with glee when WMDs weren’t found in major quantities. Of course, they forgot that Bush managed to get rid of the three biggest WMDs of all, Saddam and his two sons.

As for Plame, please give it a break. You folks on the Left had absolutely no problem when one of your own, Phillip Agee, outed hundreds of CIA agents, many of whom later ended up dead. Why the selective outrage over the Plame case? Because “Bush did it”.

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I’m not really surprised.
I’m just waiting for someone to claim that piracy is just racism in disguise. That way they can claim that Obama didn’t attend the meetings because he was silently protesting.

Ingenue on April 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM

You all do not realize and respect the time it takes to select a dog and confirm his birth records.

Shame shame

seven on April 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM

P.S. It’s called dissent, Tom. You should probably accustom yourself to it.

Jim Treacher on April 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Actually, Hillary Clinton called it “patriotism”. Payback’s a bitch, isn’t it?

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Of course Obummer didn’t want to attend a meeting about piracy in Somalia. It would reflect badly on his buddy (cousin?) Odinga in his native Kenya.

Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?

Don’t you remember? He served in Vietnam for four months, got three Purple Hearts, and spent Christmas in Cambodia, which was seared in his memory! (salutes)

He also bravely intervened to prevent those EEEEEEEVIL wind turbines from killing seagulls in Nantucket! Whataguy!!!

Steve Z on April 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Obama was definitely there for that all important meeting on “Somali Privacy”. LOL!!!!!

TrickyDick on April 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Badministration

blatantblue on April 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Awesome!

Spectreman on April 14, 2009 at 1:45 PM

But as far as my attacks on Bush go, they were always about substantial issues… like Iraq, or his staff outing Plame (which they did). I also post facts to back up my assertions. I never called him names. Or made broad general statements about him.

Now, you guys just don’t care. You attack Obama on EVERYTHING. It’s really unprecedented. But if that’s how you want to portray yourselves, I can’t stop you.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Well without doing any research, just look at your post, where you stated that Bush hadn’t done anything about piracy, then you had to back off when I pointed out that is was him and not Obama…so your statement of always backing up with facts, is just untrue, as can be easily seen.

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM

He was too busy campaigning for president and giving speeches on how much experience he had in community organizing. Maybe we should send him to Somalia to be with all his brothers, and let him community organize over there.

Susanboo on April 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Don’t get me wrong, Tom, I like you coming here and making your point. You are _NOT_ a troll and I for one, appreciate it. One, you use your real name (if that *is* your REAL name….), and you do (for the most part) substantiate your assertions with at least some back up. Your honest disagreement is a damn sight better than that of our anonymous lefties, who tend to drop in, make snarky and shallow remarks, and then either leave or otherwise change the subject instead of defend themselves.

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Now, you guys just don’t care. You attack Obama on EVERYTHING. It’s really unprecedented. But if that’s how you want to portray yourselves, I can’t stop you.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Give me a break! If I hear another lib complain about how we should not criticize their precious president, I am going to be sick. Never in the history of this country has any president been more criticized, abused and insulted than George Bush. At least he listened and tried to get along with those he disagreed with, not any of this “I won” b.s. Obama is such a pompous As**, it is just incredible that you people are so blind, deaf and dumb!

Susanboo on April 14, 2009 at 2:03 PM

You see! This is PROOF of his divine nature! His “present” votes were genuine miracles!

Maquis on April 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Well without doing any research, just look at your post, where you stated that Bush hadn’t done anything about piracy, then you had to back off when I pointed out that is was him and not Obama…so your statement of always backing up with facts, is just untrue, as can be easily seen.

I’m not saying I’m always right. But when I’m wrong, I try to admit it — as hard as it may be sometimes.

But, in this case, I did back up my statement with a fact. But I did just a tertiary analysis of it and formed a — most likely — incorrect conclusion from it.

And, I will say I don’t always back stuff up. But when I make an accusation, I do.

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM

HA reader Morgen, who posts occasionally at Verum Serum, discovered that when the subcommittee met to discuss the issue of Somalia and piracy over the last three years, both the President and VP were no-shows.

Big deal. He was present during the Somalia Privacy Hearings and he voted Present. He’s now resolutely against Somalia privacy. He’s made great progress in only 3 months in his first executive job. getalife and stop picking on him.

Basilsbest on April 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM

But as far as my attacks on Bush go, they were always about substantial issues… like Iraq, or his staff outing Plame (which they did).
Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Oh, and about the “Plame” outing. She was already “outed” by her husband, who spoke publicly about who she worked for before anyone in the White House ever discussed it. Scooter Libby was just a scapegoat so the idiot prosecuter could satisfy the screaming libs in congress who just wanted a reason to get rid of Bush. No one in the administration did anything illegal, so they just had to catch Libby in his memory lapse after they ask him the same questions forty times. As Rush would say “it’s not the whether your innocent or guilty, it’s the seriousness of the charge”

Susanboo on April 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM

it is just incredible that you people are so blind, deaf and dumb!

Not when you consider they are liberals. With liberals, this is as good as it gets.

Basilsbest on April 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Time to go, too many trolls in this blog!

Susanboo on April 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM

In what parallel universe to you live? Bush was under attack by the left and media before, during and after the election and that continues today. Or maybe I just live in a different world!

flytier on April 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I actually ENJOY jousting, even more with an *honest* opponent….

Oh, I forgot about my reference for the Iraqi WMD form earlier:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/international/middleeast/12saddam.html?ex=1299819600&en=db0bb206c9d4a5db&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Tom_Shipley on April 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM

…you surely know that shortly after he took office, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a directive that allowed the U.S. Navy to pursue pirates around the Horn of Africa… something that had not been done under the Bush administration.

Firstly, JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM does a good job of taking your point apart. Bush was active off the Horn.

But let’s ignore that for a minute and take your premise that Bush wasn’t proactive in battling the piracy problem.

Isn’t that exactly your problem with what Bush did in Iraq? That after the 9/11 attack took us by surprise, that Bush unnecessarily pre-empted another potential enemy?

azlibertarian on April 14, 2009 at 3:25 PM

What exactly did this guy do during his time in the Senate? Oh, that’s right:

Intrigued with his Marxist buddies, planned his presidential campaign, worked with ACORN to put the fix on votes, strategized with Rahmbo and other politicos on how to beat Hillary (especially in the caucuses), networked with RINOs for support and funding, picked out which official-looking seals he liked best, helped his bud campaign in Kenya, partied with Khalidi, hired lawyers to cover up his birth certificate and other records, met with Liberal MSM moguls, worked to keep his aunt in the States…doesn’t leave much room for anything else does it now?

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM

My (possibly) interesting anecdote about the Churchill pirate thing (your mileage may vary):

After the Churchill apprehended their pirates, they handed them and the hijacked crew and ship over to us. we held both groups for a week – a week we were supposed to be inport on liberty. We got our liberty later, so that’s okay.

A week later, right after we gave both groups medical and dental work free of charge (and food and fuel!),a nd wondering just when we would let them go and get some down-time, we finally let the pirates go to Kenya for trial and the hijackees just plain go, we got a visit from the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (MCPON), the highest ranking enlisted member in our service.

We were like “cool, get some props from ‘Big Navy’! We mustered the entire crew in the hangar bay for his “call”. He flew aboard and we waited at parade rest for about 45 minutes before he he came down to talk to us. What did he say? “How about that Churchill, huh?”

You could have heard a pin drop.

JeffWeimer on April 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM

HA reader Morgen, who posts occasionally at Verum Serum, discovered that when the subcommittee met to discuss the issue of Somalia and piracy over the last three years, both the President and VP were no-shows.

Dear Morgen: Thank you very much for doing the work that the MSM is unable or unwilling to do.

Has any MSM outlet reported this?

Loxodonta on April 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM

I don’t get it.

HOW DO WE KNOW they were absent?

SlimyBill on April 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM

right2bright on April 14, 2009 at 12:32 PM

+1

Burning on all cylinders today!

muggedbyreality on April 14, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Kerry also missed every one of these hearings

It’s Bushes fault!

Exactly what does Kerry do for a living, anyway?

Uhm Blame Bush?

DSchoen on April 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I also post facts to back up my assertions. I never called him names. Or made broad general statements about him.

Now, you guys just don’t care. You attack Obama on EVERYTHING. It’s really unprecedented. But if that’s how you want to portray yourselves, I can’t stop you.

Tom_Shipley

ERRRR
Wrong again Tom. Post facts to back up your assertions? Like your “unprecedented” claim?

The 1st “impeach Bush drive started on Jan 18 2001.

Hint: That was be fore he took office!

IMPEACH BUSH

By Ted Rall | Jan 18, 2001 | 788 words, 0 images

Let the Long National Nightmare Begin Anew!

NEW YORK — It’s not just Clinton — the vast majority of Americans believe that Bush lost the 2000 election. Democrats and other garden-variety malcontents have already entered into a tacit agreement to consider W. the leader of a coup rather than a legitimately elected president. Democratic congressmen will fight tooth and nail to block every Bush appointee and every Bush bill they can. Rancor, bitterness and gridlock promise to rule Washington for the next four years, causing untold millions more American citizens to view their government and their political system with apathetic disgust

It didn’t stop there Tom!

Anti-Dubya protest organised via Net

Not My President’s Day’ this weekend
By Linda Harrison in New York → More by this author
Published Monday 12th February 2001 18:09 GMT

“However, now that Bush has become President we feel that Bush’s dangerous, extremist, unmandated agenda should be fought against not only because it is wrong, but because his agenda, like Bush himself, is illegitimate.”

For those unable to attend, it also has a link to a site offering nifty “Impeach Bush” bumper stickers for free. ®

.

Date: March 30, 2001 | Page A14

THE HONEYMOON IS OVER

I can see it now. In about a year or less, bumper stickers will begin to show up: “Impeach Bush.” By that time he will have pushed through so many unpopular programs and gutted so many environmental laws that most people will no longer be able to stand him. I, for one, will be the first to put that sticker on my auto. Charles H. Ott Greensboro …

Now Tom, how that crow taste?

Do you have enough personal integrity to admit you are completely wrong?

Do you need 250K more examples?

DSchoen on April 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM

See, I didn’t try and Sully Bush at every chance

Really Tommy?

Then what were you trying to say when you posted this?

“directive that allowed the U.S. Navy to pursue pirates around the Horn of Africa… something that had not been done under the Bush administration

Tom, perhaps map reading is not your forte in life but when the pirate attacks expanded their location outside the Gulf of Aden, logically the area of operation for Task Force 151 would expand.

Where you aware that the area in question was not an area the pirates were using prior to Feb 09?

Did you check?

Its not as you implied, that Bush made the area around the horn “off limits” its just the fact that pirate attacks were not occurring around the horn till Feb 09.

These operations have been going on for some time now.

Perhaps if Obama or Biden had ACTUALLY attended the meetings they woulda knwoed dat!

And wouldn’t have put out this “talking point” your repeating, ya think?

DSchoen on April 14, 2009 at 10:46 PM