Minnesota Recount: Conference Call

posted at 1:37 pm on April 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After last night’s expected setback with the election contest panel, the Norm Coleman campaign called a press teleconference to discuss their plans.  Ben Ginsberg, their legal spokesman, said that the panel “misunderstood” their arguments.  He also confirmed that they would continue their appeal.

Ginsberg claimed that the panel deliberately avoided confronting the equal-protection argument, and the due process issues as well.  The panel did not address the shifting standards during the election, the recount, and finally the contest.  The standard the panel eventually adopted was not used by the counties on Election Night.

Questions:

  • MPR: Coleman talked about expediting the filing to the MN-SC — Ginsberg said there’s not a rush to file, but they will file within the 10 day limit.
  • MPR: Why do you think the Supreme Court will deal with the equal-protection and due process questions differently? — The panel did not deal with the case law, didn’t address the differing standards used.  MN-SC will have to address the disenfranchisement of thousands of voters.  Ginsberg thinks the panel focused too much on protecting the system rather than protecting the voters.
  • MNN: What makes you think the MN-SC will find more votes for Coleman? — Ginsberg says that counting the disputed absentee ballots will resolve Coleman’s complaints no matter how it works out.  They believe that the 4400 ballots have more Coleman votes than Franken votes.
  • AP: How many of the 4400 ballots met your requirements, and are any of them double votes?  — Yes, and no.  The double-vote check should still be done, but it won’t affect more than a handful.  They’ve already checked most of them for that very issue.
  • Me: Pawlenty said he won’t sign a certificate until the MN-SC; has the campaign heard about indications that he won’t sign it pending federal appeal? — No, and they have not been in contact with Pawlenty, either.
  • The Hill: Can the MN-SC refuse the appeal?  No, they’re required to hear it.
  • Strib: Are you proposing a review of 12,000 rejected absentee ballots, or are you drawing a line at the 4400? — Coleman’s requesting 4400, but the MN-SC can do whatever they want.
  • Pioneer Press: The panel appears to acknowledge that ballots got treated differently, but that Coleman had to prove it was arbitrary and that it materially affected the race — Ginsberg says he was greatly puzzled by the panel’s notion that they needed to prove this.  Quite obviously, it was arbitrary, and with a gap of only 312 and 4400 ballots outstanding, they have a prima facie case that it affected the outcome.
  • Weekly Standard: How did the court rule on double-counted ballots? — They decided that it wasn’t a problem, which the Coleman campaign rejects.  They wanted a clarification on the statutory requirements on inspections, but the panel avoided the issue altogether.  The panel never did a reconciliation of these precincts, but instead just issued a blanket defense of the system rather than protect the franchise of each voter.
  • CQ: On equal-protection issues, how much human error is acceptable? — Expectations have to be placed higher than the election contest panel has them.  We need to deal with the problems rather than sweep them under the rug and pretend they don’t matter.  You cannot know who won this election without dealing with this problem.

Bottom line: the Coleman campaign thinks the contest panel really botched this in favor of getting the election finished.  Don’t expect them to stop at the Minnesota Supreme Court; they seem to be building an argument more suited for a federal court.

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I was going to be disappointed if he didn’t keep it going.
No more wussy Repubs, please.

Badger40 on April 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM

The idea that all votes must be counted using the same standard is important.

If we fail to protect that standard then whoever runs the elections will be able to pick the winner by using differing standards in counties that back the controlling party.

MarkTheGreat on April 14, 2009 at 1:46 PM

if it’s an equal protection argument they’re going to hang their hat on then clearly it becomes a federal thang …

questions for Ed: presume MN-SC and/or SCOTUS sees things Norm’s way. what then?!
there are now [iirc] 3 “final scores” between election nite and the subsequnet recounts. which if any is valid?
can a valid count ever be determined at this point?
if not, can a runoff be legally called?
are you seriously going to go an entire 1/2 year w/o senate representation?

/kudos to Norm for not giving up, but i’m not seeing how this can turn out well any more …
:-(

Buckaroo on April 14, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Coleman’s political future will be toast if he pursues this, particularly because, if you listen to the lawyers, his chances of winning the case are next to nil. He would better serve his constituents, the Republican Party, and himself, by gracefully bowing out. He can then move forward and build a stronger, better image.Take it to the highest court and the Democrats will make mincemeat of him, denying him any possibility for a future in politics. It’s already starting to happen, even among his own.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

The CJ Political Report on April 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM

“capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM”

er, take a gander at the oval office …
[!!]

Buckaroo on April 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM

“capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM”

er, take a gander at the oval office …
[!!]

Buckaroo on April 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Very true! LOL

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Boggles the mind.

jakabok_botch on April 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Bottom line: the Coleman campaign thinks the contest panel really botched this in favor of getting the election finished. Don’t expect them to stop at the Minnesota Supreme Court; they seem to be building an argument more suited for a federal court.

Bottom line: the Coleman campaign has officially jumped the shark. They screwed up during the recount phase and now Franken’s thievery of the election is simply going to be confirmed. Going to the federal courts after the state courts have already ruled is going to be a tough row to hoe.

It’s time for the Minnesota Republican party to salvage what it can here. They should threaten to contest and challenge this ruling and keep Franken tied up in court for the next year and use that to force the DFL into agreeing to change Minnesota’s election laws going forward to call for mandatory runoff elections when the margin is within 1%. That way, Coleman’s loss will actually mean something for the people of Minnesota besides simply six years of Al Franken. This travesty must never again be allowed to happen.

Outlander on April 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM

can he drag this out 6 yrs and spare us Senator Franken? please

jp on April 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

All you have to do is read the troll comments here, and you see that ignorance is bliss when it comes to voters. An ignorant electorate gets what it deserves…unfortunately.

kirkill on April 14, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I’m a registered commenter on Huffington Post. Over there they think he’s very intelligent. To looney, leftwing liberals, any looney, leftwing liberal is very intelligent.

Another thing to consider is, the Republican Party needed another spanking. They didn’t learn their lesson in 2006. Granted, getting stuck with Al Franken and Duh One could border on being down-right abusive.

tre on April 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM

If it keeps Franken from being able to vote in the Senate, keeps the Dems from that one close extra “aye” when they need it, then, by all means, I hope this goes all the way to the Supremes of the US. A better use of my tax dollars than most of what’s come out of Obama’s Congress. Delay is often a very good friend.

marybel on April 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM

If these are the same people that Coleman hired to convince the Public that he was a better candidate than Al Friggin’ Franken, they had better just close up shop and wait for qualified help to run his next election attempt.

He has failed with the Public in what should have been an obvious decision, and he has failed with his local Judiciary to convince them of the obvious in that arena. I begin to question whether he would have succeeded as a Legislator.

Mr Michael on April 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Pioneer Press: The panel appears to acknowledge that ballots got treated differently, but that Coleman had to prove it was arbitrary and that it materially affected the race — Ginsberg says he was greatly puzzled by the panel’s notion that they needed to prove this. Quite obviously, it was arbitrary, and with a gap of only 312 and 4400 ballots outstanding, they have a prima facie case that it affected the outcome.

I think they do have a prima facie case that the outcome was affected by differing treatment of ballots. Once there is an acknowledgment that ballots were treated differently what is left to prove? Coleman would have been in the position of opening ballots heretofore unallowed and showing a different outcome. I think this is headed for the Federal courts and it is best for all that it should be. Despite whatever damage Coleman could sustain to his political career, there is more at stake here.

msmveritas on April 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM

capejasmine…. boggles YOUR mind?…. Boggles the hell out of mine, trust me.

MNDavenotPC on April 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Bottom line: Coleman’s legal team is just pounding the table now because that’s all they can do.

starfleet_dude on April 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM

If Al Franken ends up in the US Senate, that’s driving the last nail in the coffin of US respectability.

joe_doufu on April 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Nuke the damn state of Minnesota. Nuke it back into the Stone Age.

Percy_Peabody on April 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Shut up, Percy…. you bore me.

MNDavenotPC on April 14, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

In one word: Minnesotans like to experiment.

ericdijon on April 14, 2009 at 2:47 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

From the same people that brought you Jesse Ventura as governor.

You want a real vision of our country’s future…go rent Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy”. Wrestler/Ultimate Fighter/Porn Star as President, we’re watering our crops with Gatorade, and the most popular TV show is called “Ow, My Balls!”

“It’s got what plants need…it’s got electrolytes!”

TheMightyMonarch on April 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM

The Washington state courts in 2004 admitted there was cheating by the Democrats, but the system needed protection.

rlwo2008 on April 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I just can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Franken in the first place. That still boggles my mind.

capejasmine on April 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM

From the same people that brought you Jesse Ventura as governor.

TheMightyMonarch on April 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Just so you know how damn crazy we are up here in Minny, after the US Supreme Court throws out the election and calls for a “do over” contest, watch for Governor Grappler to throw his hat in the senate ring and win with about 39% of the vote.

Silver lining: Jesse will get more fawning publicity from the MSM than The One.

Bruno Strozek on April 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM

I’m a registered commenter on Huffington Post. Over there they think he’s very intelligent. To looney, leftwing liberals, any looney, leftwing liberal is very intelligent.

I may hate that dishonest, self-absorbed, tax cheating, money stealing piece of garbage but he is smart. I mean most of the time when he talks he can convince you of something that is utterly not true and yet every statement itself is technically true.(Except when he give Clinton a compliment, then he just starts making up stuff.) When he can do that so well it’s impressive in the same sort of way a well planned out crime is impressive. (IE you can be disgusted by it and yet be simultaneously impressed.)

Dave_d on April 14, 2009 at 10:20 PM