Obama: I will continue to kick pirate ass
posted at 2:57 pm on April 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
Or rather, per his malaprop, “private” ass. No, he didn’t order the attack that saved the captain but he didn’t forbid it either, contra righty fears that negotiation is Obama’s first, last, and only means of conflict resolution. Meanwhile, Jonah Goldberg’s innocuous two-line post last night congratulating The One on the mission’s success has inadvertently turned into a litmus test for early onset Obama Derangement Syndrome, with angry e-mailers and, allegedly, even Rush Limbaugh calling him out for the offense. Follow the last link and read the message he got from someone wondering, “Does rightwing media not know how to do propaganda?” Has it come to that?
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The Castros are gone? The Cuban people can protest, speak their mind, and pursue their own lives freely? All of Castro’s political prisoners are released? What a wonderful day!
amerpundit on April 13, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Sorry, but that’s not good enough.
Obama did the right thing in this case, and I’m not going to fault him like some are for waiting so long to do something. Launching an attack when there was no obvious immediate threat to the hostage may not have worked out as well, and in fact I’d be surprised if it wasn’t our own military guys on the scene who counseled against it.
But confronting them “when they arise” doesn’t cut it. We need to lay waste to them before they can even put to sea.
flipflop on April 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM
He didn’t screw up the handling of four “pirates” in a dingy with no gas. WOW! Is the bar set low for the child President or what?
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM
amerpundit,
He halted their privacy. ;p
Christien on April 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Obama ordered snipers to take out Castro too? Wow, he rocks!
Erich66 on April 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM
[coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM]
My cynical thinking exactly. But let’s see if he really has put his tough rhetoric where he wants his image to be. I’m not saying anymore right now on this; he doesn’t need my opinion needling him to do the right thing. He should be able to figure it out all by his lonesome.
Dusty on April 13, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Unless I’m mistaken, the only time “private” or any variation of the word is mentioned in the US Constitution is in reference to private property.
JohnGalt23 on April 13, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Even with 20/20 hindsight. The man admitted during the campaign that even after having proof that the surge worked he still would have voted against it.
Esthier on April 13, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I, as a Pirate-American, take exception to your headline, AP. Seems rather unfair to pile us all together like that…Geez, this gives pillaging and plundering a bad name…
CapitalistPig on April 13, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Obama may not know how to do anything else but he sure knows how to politic. He was invisable until the situation resolved and then put himself in position to take credit. All he actually did was let existing “rules of engagement” stand. If the rescue had messed up the Captain of the Bainbridge would have walked the plank and Obama would have still have been clean.
duff65 on April 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM
They have actually removed the bar, as bars tend to be intimidating and unfair to some. You just jump, and you can feel good about your jump without worrying about the bar.
Jaibones on April 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Thanks, great link…
The statement that they had been under attack for a WEEK, with no help in sight was disturbing… to say the least.
This is not over, far from it… Admiral said that the Navy knew at least 24 hours BEFORE the boarding that the Pirates had made runs at the ship… and yet there was no Navy on station until about 18 hours AFTER the boarding… when they also state the Bainbridge was about 300 miles away…
Thats 10 hours travel time at 30 knots…. not 42….
There are a LOT of command and control type questions that still need to be answered.
Romeo13 on April 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I agree. You and your band of merry men should be allowed to do many manly things in manly manner.
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM
It’s settled then… Socialism desperately needs Capitalism so it has a teat to suck on. Wait until Castro finds out we’re headed in his direction! Soon there’ll be no teats left.
From each according to his ability… well, that’s not quite working… quick, somebody find some nasty ol’ capitalists so we can actually eat tonight!
mankai on April 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Referring to the SCOTUS citing the “right to privacy” in the Roe v. Wade decision.
mwdiver on April 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM
You mean they don’t need to use inner tubes to leave the island any more?
Buy Danish on April 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html
mwdiver on April 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM
He also got Gargamel and Azrael to stop chasing the Smurfs, got cats and dogs to live in perfect harmony, showed that chocolate and peanut butter can be eaten together, and stopped water from being wet.
There is truly NOTHING that man can’t do.
mjk on April 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Great link. Great link.
Spirit of 1776 on April 13, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Damn, after all these years, Gloria Estefan is going to have to face real competition?
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Had the rescue failed, he would have denounced it as a breach of military protocol and blamed Bush, Cheney and a military culture of bloodthirsty Ramboism.
Obama, as usual, voted “present.”
spmat on April 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM
I thought the Navy Seals kicked the pirate’s ass.
fogw on April 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I thank God for well trained military specialists who can accomplish such an amazing task. What other force on the planet can assemble soldiers who will operate under these rules of engagement and STILL accomplish such a profoundly successful conclusion to their mission?
I will give credit to our president as the Commander in Chief of those soldiers he commands. Please Mr. President remember this when you consider funding for them in the future.
bigskinny on April 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Obamas order were to take action if the Captains life was in imminent danger. My question is, “Would Obama have left the pirates and that captain float around in the Gulf for 444 days if there was no sign of “Imminent Danger”? Taking a book from Jimmy Carters rules of hostage negotiations?
Bicyea on April 13, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Good grief, they just announced on the news that the president is going to give a MAJOR speech. Sorry but he is on tv way way too much.
Cindy Munford on April 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I think you are all incorrect in assuming that he made a gaffe by saying that he wanted to “halt the rise of privacy in that region”. The Precedent hates privacy. He hates the word ‘private’. He hates the concept of private property. He hates everything about privacy (except when it comes to his background).
And I don’t think he did this correctly. Not in the least. It turned out right, but that was not his intention, as the Admiral had stated, very explicitly in the press conference yesterday, The Precedent wanted no action taken (unless Captain Phillips was in “imminent danger”) and wanted negotiations to continue. That is a big, bad MISTAKE to me, and cannot be brushed away because others took the initiative and rectified the situation.
The Precedent will show that he has some understanding of the situation and what needs to be done if he orders strikes against their land bases and home villages. That’s it. There is nothing else to discuss about this.
“We have to be prepared to confront them when they arise”
That statement shows that he is a fool who doesn’t know the correct way to deal with the pirates. I don’t see what anyone would find comforting about this attitude. It is stupid and wrong.
progressoverpeace on April 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM
My thoughts are that the guy in charge of the scene said “Wait, you can see all three? Shoot, shoot! Yes, um, the captain
iswas in Imminent Danger. One of them had a gun pointed in his direction, right?”Count to 10 on April 13, 2009 at 4:08 PM
He’s giving Billy Mays a run for his money. I have found that the answer to your frustration lies in your remote control.
Here in fogwland, Billy and Obarfy get the immediate axe as soon as their images appear.
fogw on April 13, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Well, LA Times, “Those critics” know this is not the first gaffe made by Obama. “Those critics” can see the grotesque and disgraceful and disgusting double standard that I’m so sure you really want feedback on and will work to adjust.
BTW, LA Times, Obama was using TOTUS today. Did some staffer put the wrong word in the script and Obama, who as I watched him speak LIVE I couldn’t believe needed to use it to issue a statement on this subject while at the same time I knew it was necessary for One such as he, cluelessly read it and didn’t realize the error? Or was it written properly and he “misspoke”?
Inquiring minds, etc. Get right on it. I expect the kind of intense probing you give George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, any Republican who says or does ANYTHING that you can trumpet from the highest mount for days…nay, weeks…nay, YEARS!…on end to remind the public what stupid unqualified dopes they are.
KittyLowrey on April 13, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Since you were on the same wave length, I decided to do a quick blog post about it:)
Buy Danish on April 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Yes, I agree! This is the beginning of ODS. When we condemn proper action just because Obama allowed it we creep into ODS. If Obama continues to hold a strong stance on the ocean bearing terrorists and we condemn this we are no different the the hard left that couldn’t praise Bush for anything and looked for any mistake to take him down.
+I do understand what damage it caused having suffered myself from Clinton derangemnt syndrom. We lose credibility when we genuinly dissagree with the POTUS.
lwssdd on April 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Honestly, I don’t see the hysteria or exhuberence in lauding Obama to high heaven for this.
Let me explain: not all battles are massive, globalized conflicts, and often times they are ugly little messes on the other side of the world from where we are looking at.
The simple truth of the matter is that there are many cases- both past and current- where the overall commander- be he only the local commander or the Commander-in-Chief- has almost nil influence on the outcome, case in point: the battle of Point du Hoc. This “show” was several times larger than this case, but how much influence do you think Ike, Churchill, FDR, Truman, etc. had on its outcome? Not a whole damn lot. Why? Because the battle was all but over by the time anybody really noticed it apart from the general chaos of D-Day.
This is much like Obama’s position in the past crisis. He simply didn’t have that much power to directly affect what was happening on the ground. This is of no flaw or boon to himself- there is only so much one can do when one is on the other side of the planet when the situation is so small and precarious. But it does mean that Obama played relatively little role in how this played out, and so deserves little of the praise or the scorn. This is, again, simply because he was too far away and the world’s a big show to run.
What I DO recognize Obama as doing is in not doing something stupid or in interfering unduly. He didn’t attempt to intervene while the professionals were working. And for that he does deserve credit. However, even here it is minimal, for “doing nothing” is perhaps the easiest thing anybody could have done in this situation, and indeed Obama would have had to strain himself considerably to be more involved than he already was.
So, the bottom line is that we will have to see how Obama preforms latter to see whether this is due to any improvements in conducting himself as CinC or was simple luck. Because until than, we won’t know.
End of Story.
Turtler on April 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM
We still produce great men of the Sea it seems. At least we’ve managed to hang on to some things here in Massachusetts. An extended member of the TBOD clan graduates from there next year.
TheBigOldDog on April 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM
It seems to me there are four types of enemy America might face:
1. A determined, implacable foe that will take any opportunity to attack, using asymmetrical warfare or striking at the overseas interests of the United States.
2. A gang of lawless barbarians that attacks targets of opportunity for political gain or profit.
3. A declared opponent who is not totally committed to war, and can be negotiated out of hostilities.
4. A hostile state that avoids hostilities because they fear the power of the American military, or are intimidated by the prospect of sanctions and economic retaliation.
Of those four types, I suspect number 4 is the largest group: the silently seething collection of rogue states, leftover Communist satellites, and jihad wannabes that never come onto the radar screen of the American public, because they never get around to doing anything except act like blog trolls at United Nations meetings.
The best method of dealing with the other types of enemy may vary, but one thing that seems universally clear is that displays of weakness and hesitation make our position worse with ALL of them. The opponent who isn’t fully committed to hostilities is more likely to come to the negotiating table and settle things peacefully if he fears the consequences of provoking an American military response – we often celebrate soldiers for the wars they win, but we don’t celebrate them enough for the wars they prevent. Likewise, the only thing that will hold committed enemies and barbarians like the Islamofascists at bay is fear – if they are not afraid to attack, they will do so. No other consideration weighs in their decision. Look at the example of Israel, which has avoided endless shooting wars by demonstrating its unquestionable superiority at conventional military engagements… but suffers endless terror attacks and rocket barrages from its vicious, fanatical neighbors, because it has been understandably reluctant to do the horrific things that would be required to make them afraid to continue their attacks. Heroic concessions, relatively comparable to offering the Somalian pirates half of the Pacific Ocean, have gotten them nothing.
The lawless barbarian, like the domestic criminal, is making a deliberate calculation. In the case of Somalian pirates, their high-seas attacks carry very high rewards with very low risk. It is Obama’s responsibility to change that equation, and make the pirate life terrifying for the pirates, instead of appealing. Only the most hopelessly infatuated worshiper of the Lightworker could believe the Somalian pirates look at the events of the last five days and shiver in terror. Indeed, they wasted no time in lobbing mortar shells at the first American politician to come within range. A Somalian pirate would be likely to conclude the guys who died on that lifeboat were stupid and unlucky, not fearsome examples that keep the other pirates awake at night. The American response thus far has been something they can adjust to – kill the crew of your target ship faster, especially if they’re flying an American flag, and handle your hostages more efficiently. It will take a much more aggressive response to change their thinking from “adjust our tactics” to “piracy is suicide, so let’s try something else.” This is especially true if they watch the global news networks, or have any understanding of American politics. For the moment, I think the pirates still like their odds.
Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM
My personal red flag where Obama second guessing the military is concerned is IF Bob Gates and Gen. Petraeus should resign or be replaced THEN I’ll know that Obama is not listening to them. I have total confidence in both of their judgments and have no doubt that if they are ever instructed to do something that would not be beneficial to the military under their command or would be detrimental to our national security, they would resign before they would follow those orders.
In this case, it was really just a matter of listening to what was being said by Gen Petraeus and the words he parsed.
Texas Gal on April 13, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Oh, Lord, darlin I don’t watch him. But pretty soon he will have to be part of the Neilsons.
Cindy Munford on April 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM
No he didn’t. He just legitimized an illegitimate military junta.
Let’s remember what the US Communist Party had to say in November of 2008:
I thought you were “undefeated”? In reality, you haven’t gotten anything right yet.
Del Dolemonte on April 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM
if someone could point to anyone “condemn[ing] proper action” I’d appreciate it. TIA
So far everyone applauds the action.
I believe it is fair to speculate that had the mission not ended well that the Obama administration would not have hastened to leak his authorization. I believe had he said the words of compassion or indicated any sort of engagement at all prior to the action the speculation would not be as warranted and that very lack hints at a distancing had things gone awry.
IOW, no derangement in sight.
Having said that, I was surprised and very pleased he did allow our fantastic Navy to do what they are trained to do and I do give him credit for that.
KittyLowrey on April 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM
The piracy aspect is only the beginning of the “test” when it comes to Somalia.
The positive glimmer, to me, was that the President allowed the use of force – though in my mind that should have been a no-brainer and come much sooner. So tactically, I’d say this was fairly well-handled.
But it is what comes next that really mark how well the situation was handled at the strategic level.
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Thank you Jailbones. I love it when others do the work for me!
anniekc on April 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Someone want to tell me what the Pirate take-out has to do with the stimulus bill? Why the Obama peace symbol in the background? Were the SEALS (or the Pirates?) given jobs by the administration?
cackcon on April 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM
If he really wants to kick ass, he should start arming ship crews. It’s ridiculous not to.
Blake on April 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Anyone know how old the pirates were?
At work someone claimed the “Pirate Capt.” was 16. I’m praying that these weren’t pirate kids forced by “elders” to do this. I’ve seen enough and read enough about child and slave labor in Africa to believe that such a situation is possible.
I’m not going to be all that pumped if our SEALs had to gun down children. Especially if the AP isn’t lying and they were out of ammo.
Newagegop on April 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM
So what is worse…piracy of a ship in the ocean…or piracy of your kids monetary legacy.
Who is stealing the most money…the Somalian pirates or our government.
When they come in and “seize” a company, force people to resign, make them walk the “Senate plank”, withhold payments to its employees, threaten the company unless they “sign on” to their program, and charge them a fee for all those “services”…who is the pirate?
right2bright on April 13, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Out of ammo, but still can kill…bullets are not the only threat.
A “16 year old”, can kill just as readily as a 40 year old…just that the 40 year old is smart enough to send the 16 year old.
right2bright on April 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Tough sh*t to those “kids.” You’re old enough to strap a suicide bomb on, you’re old enough to commit piracy. You’re old enough to suffer the consequences…
mjk on April 13, 2009 at 4:33 PM
The entire ‘imminent danger’ argument stinks like week-old fish to me. Had Obama ordered the commander on scene to take the Somalis down the moment the ‘opportunity to do so’ presented itself, that would have been leadership. The ‘imminent danger’ order presupposes a level of clairvoyance that no commander should have to operate under. I’d say the good captain was in ‘imminent danger’ the entire time he was under the control of the Somali pirates, and it would have taken less than an eye-blink for one of the pirates to swing his barrel in the captain’s diection and blow him away.
CaptFlood on April 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Ages 17 – 19.
Somali pirates were ‘untrained’ teenagers: US
WOW!… If Bush had done this….
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM
[coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM]
What getalife meant was Obama just freed Cuban-Americans in yet another correction of the injustice the US imposes on the world.
Dusty on April 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Personally, when this PotUS does the *right* (as in, correct) thing, he should be praised regardless of party affiliation.
I’m hoping that, like my kids, a bit of positive reinforcement might have an affect.
Geministorm on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Fortunately those pirate-lads didn’t take a shot at Phillips or one of our boys on the ship, or the Commander of the USS Bainbridge would be taking the heat for this one, due to his obvious misinterpretation of “imminent danger.”
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
A strong argument in favor of an aggressive response to the Somali pirate gangs… the youth of these individuals would not make them any less dangerous, or remove the need to deal with them as the SEALs did, but the passive “law enforcement” approach will inevitably mean more tense standoffs, and more young footsoldiers getting blown away.
We’ve seen again and again that the only way to deal with this kind of barbarism is to take out the leaders, which requires a very high level of focused aggression. Something tells me the Somali pirate chiefs look at the idea of sending kids to die under the guns of the U.S. Navy as a strategy, not a tragedy.
Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I heard he was the youngest one and he’s between 16-20 estimate. He is the one that was on board when a crew member grabbed a screw driver and stuck it thru his hand during the retaking of the ship. He eventually came back on board to seek treatment for his injury and ended up staying on board as a go-between. That’s how he ended up in custody. I doubt he was forced into anything but joined on his own accord since this criminal endeavor has been elevated to the level of hedge-fund broker status in Somalia.
Texas Gal on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
So basically he should be praised for not doing the wrong thing?
Deanna on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I agree. I kind of doubt that all three heads just happened to be visible when this instance of danger occurred. My money is on the opportunity coming before the rational.
But, hey, I wasn’t there, so what do I know?
Count to 10 on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
They remember “Black Hawk Down.”
That’s how you beat the Americans in Somalia – draw them into an ugly situation that calls for a hard-hearted resolve and then wait for public favor to turn.
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
What needs to change is the Media old and New is to stop trying to get Presidents to pin themselves into lose-lose or win-win situations depending on if they want to demean them like they did President Bush or spin them as super like for Obama. There a situations that require a President to respond publicly and quickly like show concern for the families of the hostages but not to make an off the top of the head remark about consequences. I think is appropriate for the President and his chain of command to work out and agree on the strategy and the tactic before the gawkers and rubberneckers go on their irresponsible rants of how the decision is perfect or asinine depending on their agenda to vilify or enshrine any leader. Sometimes it is best to not let the bad guys know exactly what you will do and sometimes you want them to know exactly, but you better do it then and do it to win unconditional, swiftly and decisively.
rsl775 on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
“confront them as they arise”.How about we confront and effectively deal with them before they get a chance to arise? Obama’s only means of conflict resolution isn’t negotiation,it’s” say nothing and let the big boys deal with it”;of course he can always take credit for the good outcome and blame someone else if the operation fails. This is the typical pi$$ant liberal approach to conflict.If Obama was any kind of a leader,the Navy would be now hunting down the “mother ships’ that the pirates are operating from,and sending them to the bottom .Of course, if that happened someone in the world might not like us,so we can’t do that.
DDT on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Or how about a Somalian Stimulus Package?! Wouldn’t that be the best way to…
misslizzi on April 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Well put. And I am glad for the safe vindication of our American hostages from the pirates, as well. That Obama didn’t fail our hostages is a good thing. That Obama gives credit to our military is a good thing.
PERSPECTIVE vs. propaganda
“Allegedly” doesn’t mute the offense that never happened that was also never called out.
From my vantage point, neither Rush nor Goldberg were stirring up any Derangement Syndrome; the Somali pirates were! Emotions ran high with American hostages and a mute CIC waiting for someone else to solve the dilemma so as to have someone else to blame for what Obama failed in advance to trust, namely the professionalism of our military. It still remains a wait-and-see what becomes of what given the malleable Mr. Obama whose positions shift with the winds of CHANGE.
Why not attack the media broadcasters painting pirates as misunderstood potential friends of America, Allahpundit? As a dog, you’ve feasted on human flesh, ruining your sensibility for considerable PERSPECTIVE on target selection.
I could be wrong.
Rush Limbaugh spoke of Obama’s micromanaging mannerisms from the Oval Office. According to White House reports, one could mock Obama’s “performance” as if Obama were observing satellite imagery, naming which Navy Seals were to take the shots, and for them to literally wait for his command to fire the shots. I did not hear Goldberg’s name mentioned, but I didn’t listen to Rush’s entire show today, either.
Given that Obama proves his inability to actually make quick and accurately responsible decisions; compound that with Obama’s anal retentive micromanaging complex; compounded by Obama’s ineptitudes, then admit that formula would be a problem to recognize. Sizing things up already, the Russians and the Chinese and the Europeans have their solutions to that formula, and Islam is refining its own solution to the Obama formula. Obama doesn’t even have friends south of the border.
Now the pirate pipsqueaks want their piece of Obama’s ass. Given Obama’s tendency to attack the weakest link, yes, he will likely hit the pirates; particularly so as to appear “against” piracy though Obama pirates Chief Executive plunder altering the US Constitution without legitimate amendment. That pattern is substantiated by Obama’s hit on the Illinois governor so as to appear at odds with Milorad “Rod” R. Blagojevich. So I give credit where credit is due: Obama knows how to shoot a political ally (former) in the back. Somalis Beware.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
And Airline Pilots, while we’re at it….
dmh0667 on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I thought all US citizens were entitled to the “Right Of Piracy” under the Constitution!
inspectorudy on April 13, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Does this policy extend to those pirates who steal votes from us and/or steal trillions from our children?
landlines on April 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha
kg598301 on April 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I think it is safe to say the 16 – 20 in Somolia is not what it is here. Although we have had our fair share of bad eggs at that age, it is not the norm.
Cindy Munford on April 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I agree, I still can’t understand why the fellas aren’t posting the video though. I’d wager that readers/commenters would rather see short the video of the crew telling their story, demanding action from Obama, breaking news that they’d been under attack for a week, etc. than watch more of this most dishonest of presidents. Throw the Barry quote up, sure, but we want to hear from this crew.
And please, don’t get defensive about people telling you how to do your job and tell me to “go complain to Michelle” or whatever… I’m just confused why you guys haven’t shown any interest in what is obviously the most intriguing video of the day for your readership. Are you saving for “Quote of the Day”, or something?
RightWinged on April 13, 2009 at 5:19 PM
But Somali’s aren’t the only ones who remember “Black Hawk Down!” Congress hasn’t the guts to confront the popular imagery and support for our military given that big screen impact imbedded in American minds. If Congress did another Murtha badmouth at this point, with American tensions as high as they are given the crest fallen economy on our Zeitgeist, there’d be such hell getting paid at Congressional members’ expense.
No one wants to do another Iraq nation building mission. GWB did that after 9/11 and succeeded but at such expense! There is no more surplus “good will” to excuse Somali pirates, period. Drop flyers over the areas and bombard the hell out of any known pirate havens. The onus is on the Somalis to get the hell out of the way of their own self destruction; the destroying angel will be overhead.
As per derangement of the derangement syndrome: Why else should Americans pay the expense of having sent our warships to the rescue? Let Obama explain his military overkill respecting the financing to handle a few fleas with a few warships with more on the way. The Navy already explained that the pirate solution requires the invasion of Somalia. What says Obama? That we got our man this time, and retreat home? That we’re parking our warships near Somalia?
It’s time to design a new PT type fleet–for all I know, the Navy has it already to go.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Dr. Zero, your list of enemies left University Professors of the humanities, journalists, and Hollywood.
But a good read nonetheless.
Dhuka on April 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM
RightWinged, Wow!
The Alabama crew speak.
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/04/12/Crew-Tell-the-president-to/1239564402.html
They are disgusted that the MEDIA endangered them repeatedly, sabotaging their efforts to get clear of the week-long pirate attack.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Yup, video of the day… Yet the HA fellas still aren’t interested. Not sure why.
RightWinged on April 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Already on it.
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 5:40 PM
This is exactly the problem with the killing off of the DD-1000, which was designed for brown-water littoral action like this.
I think this is precisely what he won’t do, he won’t commit to the full-throated type of violence that results in respect in a place like Somalia.
So my fear is that Obama will do something halfway or nothing at all. And frankly, I prefer the nothing at all to any action that has no firm resolution.
Based on the vagueness within his order allowing the use of force in the piracy situation, my guess is any action on the mainland will follow suit in terms of irresolute action and squishy objectives.
Status quo, swatting flies with hammers in lifeboats is a lot better than saying we are going to swat them on land, and then not carrying through with it.
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 5:43 PM
“No, he didn’t order the attack that saved the captain but he didn’t forbid it either, contra righty fears that negotiation is Obama’s first, last, and only means of conflict resolution”
In other words….he did nothing.
Quelle Shocke!
notagool on April 13, 2009 at 5:45 PM
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Man, I just figured out why I cannot watch or listen to this guy.
His mouth reminds me of a sphincter ani spewing forth excrement.
So perhaps he is anal expressive rather than retentive?
OkieDoc on April 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM
So the media spilled the beans re-exposing not only the American Merchant Marines at high risk again, but also placing the Navy at risk as well.
It will be interesting to note what comes of free press exposing confidential diplomacy and confidential sources at the expense of endangering American life.
What is the Chief Engineer referencing–hiding the crew in ovens, or stashing dead bodies in the ovens during the pirate attack? When all the dust settles, what a story! We’d rather wait to hear it from those involved rather than from a media member.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Dead is dead whether you’re killed by a teenager or by a geezer.
Not sure how we were supposed to know they were out of ammo.
Not sure why anyone would think they could not kill the captain by stabbing him, beating, or drowning.
And I don’t see how anyone could argue they were forced when they could have surrendered at any time.
No surprise that the America hating AP would try to spin this crap.
Blake on April 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Wouldn’t he have to do it once before he could technically continue?
Vashta.Nerada on April 13, 2009 at 5:52 PM
While Obama refrained from public assessment, I was glad that he at least was not saying the wrong thing. I agree with your assessment. It may well be better to leave well enough along for the moment than to go off half-cocked. Whatever else, NOT ANOTHER BLACK HAWK DOWN. Clinton did a blast job on their shore before departure, leaving the pirates laughing as our ships departed. So, if Obama wants anyone to respect him, as no one does now, he would do well to strongly consider those “contingency plans” he re-named on file at the Pentagon, and get over his stupid attempt to mask his ineptitude through horrible micromanagement of those who serve our Constitution, The Office of The President and our beloved nation.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM
They’re lounging in the Green Room.
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Proof that he’s too dependent on his teleprompter.
If he was thinking instead of just reading, he never would have uttered the word “privacy”.
jgapinoy on April 13, 2009 at 6:05 PM
coldwarrior:
We paid for four but only got one?!
maverick muse on April 13, 2009 at 6:09 PM
I followed the “malaprop” link (don’t you mean “malapropism”, AP?). What’s up with the slobbering BHO-worship at the LAtrines? Headline: “Even Obama Can Make A Mistake”????
And that photo is a gas! It looks like he’s ready for Michelle to give him his daily discipline on his presidential posterior.
jgapinoy on April 13, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Excellent video, RightWinged.
I bet (and I hope) we never get the full story of what happened in that exchange.
Good work, Maersk Alabama.
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Yeah there was a lot of stupidity involved in the LCS and DD-1000. And now, we’ve sunk a butt-ton of money into programs that will never go to sea. The story with the F-22 is similar. I’m not sure who is more to blame, Congress or the contractors, but my gut tells me they both made a lot of money out of the deal at our expense – with nothing to show for it, at the end of the day.
Long-term military procurement strategies almost seem senseless to me at this point. In the near-term, I expect we’ll be ok, but at some point this type of buffoonery will catch us with our pants down.
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Obama’s first surge.
Under the powerful command, America has overtaken a dinghy that is out of gas and totally dominated the enemy.
We will not tolerate any one running from justice out of ammo and fuel.
seven on April 13, 2009 at 6:28 PM
AG Holder: Evidence against 4th pirate may be inadmissible.
This is not a joke.
Del Dolemonte on April 13, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Didn’t Bambi just kill that program? I know he did the new 1000 destroyer…
Romeo13 on April 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM
That’s the interview I saw yesterday on Fox live after the crew got settled in port. I think his reference to dead bodies stashed in ovens was about dead tired and hiding in the ovens. Does anybody remember the report that the fighting was ongoing right after the report that the ship was captured? That’s what the Chief is referring to. They fought them off evidently in waves with some of the crew trying to get rest. Kind of like Indians attacks in the old west!
Yep, it’s going to be interesting to hear the details. Maybe Hollywood will finally make a positive movie about our military now that their guy is in the WH.
Texas Gal on April 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Not sure if the program was ended by Obama, the DD-1000 surely was. There is a less sexy version of a littoral patrol craft under development that is similar in mission to the USS Independence but a lot fewer bells and whistles.
What made the Independence so right for th task was its speed and maneuverability, its stealth capability and the modular armament packaging written into the design. The aft second deck had space for conex-like containers holding supplies, equipment, electronics, weapons and even personnel that could be exchanged out at sea to meet different scenarios.
Still think it is one hell of an evil looking ship though…something that would strike fear into a wehole lot of folks out there. Imagine being a small pirate craft and have this thing heave to right off your beam and you never heard it coming?
The Wrath of the Space Sailors…yeah.
Actually, there was a bit of a problem with General Dynamics and Lockheed ( if memory serves) and only one of these was accepted by the Navy, for testing, and three others are in limbo right now…but the technology is being shopped around…and a builder to finish the other three is being sought.
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM
oops…got to read all the posts first sometimes…
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM
They didn’t read him his Miranda Rights? BTW, how many American towns or cities would like to host the trial of a Somali pirate do ya think?
Buy Danish on April 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I refuse to give Obama credit for doing the only thing a man with a shred of honor or backbone could do. The order he gave just reinforced an earlier order: Commanders have the right to act when innocent life is in jeopardy. How else could it be? I don’t even know why such an order was necessary myself.
It is just politics. I actually saw some idiot from WaPo comparing this to Katrina…and making a point of how involved Obama was vs. Bush.
gag me.
The truth is it took longer to get that Captain free than it did to get stranded people out of New Orleans. In this incident 5 days is but a blink of an eye, but after a Category 5 hurricane demolishes the Gulf Coast…five days is plenty of time to get things in shape.
So yeah, I think Obama is getting way more credit than he deserves on this. He did not take any risk here, the Commander and the Seals took the risk. Obama just took the credit.
Terrye on April 13, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Obama doesn’t have the guts to ban piracy and make it stick.
But he does feel that he has the wisdom and compassion to resolve the situation. And he will. With American dollars.
Obama will do a pirate bailout, addressing the root causes of piracy and poverty and offering them hope and change, and give them lots of our money.
This is Jizya, the Islamic tribute money paid by dhimmis to retain their right to live in humiliation under their betters.
The Barbary Pirates demanded tribute, and got so swacked by Jefferson that we haven’t seen them for over 200 years. We didn’t pay tribute then, but we will now. I predicted this yesterday and that very evening saw glimmers of this in statements from the Administration.
Obama was already involved in a global poverty tax on the American people before he was elected. He will try to do it, and he will start with the poor people of Somalia and their pirates.
Therefore, we shall see more barbarism committed against Americans as those would be aggressor nations discover it pays to poke the giant in the eye.
Maquis on April 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM
And so how does this jibe with liberal views of gun control? What the heck is the difference between a Somali pirate and a car-jacker or home invader???? HMMMMMMMM????
PaCadle on April 13, 2009 at 8:39 PM
One lets you protect your family, the other lets Zero pose.
Maquis on April 13, 2009 at 8:47 PM
We’ve already screwed up the handling of any pirates we capture alive.
Why the HELL is the Attorney General involved in this? This should be a MILITARY operation from the get-go.
Instead, they decided to treat this the same way they treat all terrorist incidents – as a crime against individuals.
So our military people didn’t act like cops and properly ‘preserve evidence’ and ‘Mirandize’ the people they captured, so……..oops! Can’t try them now!
And the Dem’s keep insisting the adults are in charge now.
manofaiki on April 13, 2009 at 9:13 PM
And tonight in the White House, in a quiet little-used room, three candles burn illuminating the solemn darkness.
Dr. ZhivBlago on April 13, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Ya don’t kill just the cockroach you see gettin’ in to groceries. You go to where they hang out and kill em’ all.
Yes…I know they’re not bugs…but I do pest control and I see it in terms of my profession.
To them power is all…all else is weakness. We should act accordingly.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
Army Brat on April 14, 2009 at 4:21 AM
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