McClatchy: Pirates were out of ammo, wanted to trade captain for freedom
posted at 4:35 pm on April 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
In which McClatchy takes dictation from pirate cronies eager to salvage a propaganda victory from a defeat at sea. A reader sends this along with word that Hannity’s touting the story on his radio show, which, given the sourcing, is … unfortunate if true. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Vice Adm. William Gortney, commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, in a briefing for reporters, said U.S. Navy SEAL snipers perched at the back of the USS Bainbridge — a guided-missile destroyer floating about 30 yards off the 28-foot lifeboat where Phillips was being held — opened fire on the pirates when one of them pointed an AK-47 rifle at Phillips’s back…
According to Somalis with knowledge of the discussions, the pirates, who at one time had demanded $2 million for Phillips’s release, had grown desperate with their situation — adrift under a searing sun in waters infested with sharks, staring at two massive Navy ships armed with guided missiles, running low on fuel and having spent their ammunition.
A relative of one of the pirates, who said he spoke with the men by satellite phone at about 3 p.m. — four hours before the Navy opened fire — said they “were getting scared” and trying to persuade the Americans to let them go in return for the captain’s release.
“They were trying to save their own lives,” said the relative, Hassan Mohammed Farah, speaking by phone from Haradheere, a coastal town in central Somalia where pirates are known to operate. “The only thing they could bargain with was the captain, but the Americans would not accept.”
The idea here, I take it, is to make it look like they were shot in cold blood more or less in the process of surrendering, either as the Navy’s way of sending a message to other pirates in the area or on orders from The One to give him some tough-guy cred. Does anyone believe that, though, given the risk that one of the snipers might miss and accidentally blow the captain’s head off? Follow the link and read down a bit and you’ll see that a French attempt last week to rescue hostages from pirates ended with one of them being killed in the crossfire. Even if the pirates were out of ammo, the Navy had no way of confirming that or of knowing what other weapons they might have been armed with. The pirates could have just as easily pulled a knife and slit the captain’s throat while “negotiations” dragged on.
As for the alleged offer of his return in exchange for amnesty, I would have nixed it too. What’s the disincentive to taking hostages if you can use them to buy your way out of a jam? Hannity isn’t really knocking Obama over this, is he?
Update (Ed): I’m with AP on this. I’m not in the least bit perturbed that the pirates wanted a way out and didn’t get it. In fact, I’m pretty happy with everyone realizing that we’re not going to give an inch or any quarter when it comes to pirates. The best way for them to stay alive? Stop pirating. Otherwise, you’ve got it coming.
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if this was Bush….Coyners would be calling for War Crimes trials.
jp on April 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Well, they got some ammo alright.
pseudonominus on April 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM
the only good pirate is a dead one.
Or captain jack sparrow
blatantblue on April 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM
What a stupid article to publish! And they wonder why the media is dying.
Cindy Munford on April 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Protip: if you don’t want to get shot, don’t carry guns and take hostages.
strictnein on April 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM
So, they fired all their ammunition at the ship that approached them earlier?
Maybe that wasn’t such a bad idea, after all.
Count to 10 on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Waiting on the headline: Obama: Ordered killing of unarmed young men
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
While it seemed to take forever, I’m glad it ended well for the captain and suddenly for the pirates.
eforhan on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
My Islamist pirate sympathy meter is pegged at zero. No twitches at all with that bit of news.
steveegg on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
having spent their ammunition.
What had they been shooting at? It only takes one AK round to kill somebody…
Realist on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
You have to re-orient your thinking. Bush is no longer President.
pseudonominus on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I blame Obama.
No blood for security.
the_nile on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
And all of the ammo which they contributed to the ocean in an effort to raise the sea level… nobel intentions. Had nothing to do with the sudden swimmer which was in the line of ‘lead contribution’
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
And we should believe him…why?
TheQuestion on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
+10
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
It is my understanding that the Somali elders acting as liaisons wanted the pirates to go free in exchange for Phillips but the FBI wanted the pirates handed over for prosecution. That’s where the negotiations broke down.
suburbanite on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Speaking of which, I want to know what ammo they received. Was it 5.56, 7.62, or 12.5?
steveegg on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Agreed. They deserve nothing less than a short drop and a sudden stop…or a SEAL sniper bullet to the head.
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Navy SEALS under the Obamabus in 1, 2, 3….
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I don’t buy it. What had they expended their rounds on? No crew were shot, and allegedly a tracer from the life raft initiated the action by the Navy. Sounds like a nice after-action Hezbollah report to me.
Spirit of 1776 on April 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM
FIFY
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Did we learn nothing from the Bush years?
mankai on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Hannity said he didn’t believe it but raised the double standard issue had it been Bush, How loud would the left be.
abinitioadinfinitum on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
So it begins…the Murtha consensus.
coldwarrior on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Hostis humani generis.
Dr. Manhattan on April 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM
You’ll be waiting forever. Now this headline would be out instantaneously:
Bush: Ordered killing of unarmed young men
davek70 on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I’m all for executing the Pirates.
They haven’t had a good team since 1993.
Mike Honcho on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
So, the pirate stuck his AK47 at Captain Phillip’s head to scratch an itch for him, or something?
Buy Danish on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
bad time to be a pirate… i think we’re 2 or 3 months away (perpahs less) from a reclassification of ‘pirates’ to be ‘terrorists’. Then the US administration will leave them alone to their peaceful existance and stop the slaughtering of innocent jouvenile boat riders.
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Setting an example.
getalife on April 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Who cares whether or not they were trained? Why should they have been able to get away if they gave the captain his freedom? They were criminals. They were pirates. They were kidnappers and hostage takers. End of story.
Suppose they were untrained…isn’t that even more reason to shoot them if they point an AK-47 at the Captain’s head? Doesn’t that put him in even more danger?
This is idiocy. They tried to capture a freighter, as a lot of their co-workers have been doing. When that failed, they took a hostage. They wanted money. They could have let him go when he tried to escape the first time, but they recaptured him.
They were thugs. Trained or untrained, I don’t care…you play with fire, you get burned.
Blaise on April 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM
FIFY
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Uh huh:
It’s bullsh*t. One of the pirates had already surrendered. If the others wanted to, the SEALs would’ve been just fine not risking the headshot and Phillips’ life.
amerpundit on April 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM
From here.
amerpundit on April 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Waiting on the headline: Obama took bold action to reverse the failed Bush policy which Obama inherited to never negotiate with terrorists and instead negotiated with the terrorists prior to ordering their killing.
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM
My Islamist pirate sympathy meter is pegged at zero. No twitches at all with that bit of news.
steveegg
I’m with you brother. My giva-a-damn’s busted.
SKYFOX on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Desperate black men killed due to legacy Bush Policy.
Obama voes new direction.
TheBigOldDog on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I too think they got what was coming.
abinitioadinfinitum on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Boo freaking hoo. All pirates should get this treatment.
rbj on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
So what are the lefty loony’s saying about this?
Obama is a hater of Somalia or Obama is a hero for calling the navy to shot when able?
upinak on April 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM
gatorboy on April 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM
The new Obamedia headline would read something like:
Obama hastens ecologists entry into Heaven.
catmman on April 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM
The sad part is that under the headline the story would be all about how Dear Leader walked on water to get the shot.
trubble on April 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Dead pirates. There is no down side.
Stephen M on April 13, 2009 at 4:51 PM
T.S.
(That stands for “tough situation”, kids)
mojo on April 13, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Poor pirates. Message: don’t tug on Super Man’s Cape (and Super Man ain’t Barry…its SEALS).
Dingbat63 on April 13, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Agree with JP.
This would be the story du jour if Bush had done this. Just showing more of his warlike ways and increasing American Imperialism.
/s
What I find interesting here is what the hold up was… If these guys just wanted to be let go, then it was ultimately Obama’s fault that they were killed because he demanded that they be tried as part of the negotiations.
I’m not saying that what did happen was WRONG per se, but I find it interesting how many anti-war leftists are all ga-ga over this.
Skywise on April 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I agree. A short burst at Phillips in the water and one or two at the ship. Sounds like an attempt to rewrite history by the tribal elders. If they started the hijack attempt with twenty or thirty rounds total, Darwinian Law kicks in for sure.
a capella on April 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM
What’s Hannity’s angle? Did Obama screw up again by shooting unarmed men? Or did he screw up again by… what?
YYZ on April 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM
One does not get the benefit of the doubt whilst engaging in piracy and hostage taking of American citizens on the high seas. Run up the white flag and surrender or succumb to Davy Jones’ locker.
patriette on April 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Obama didn’t authorize the offensive action; he authorized the on-scene commander to protect the life of Phillips. Fortunately, the pirates obliged and threatened Phillips’s life (nudge, nudge… wink, wink… know what I mean, know what I mean…) by pointing a gun at him. Hats off to the commander for making the tough decision. If things had gone badly, I suspect he would have been court-martialed.
suburbanite on April 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Shot in ‘cold blood’ in a ‘searing sun’. I think I read that book. I believe the setting was Kenya.
JoeySlippers on April 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM
The trade was one captain for 72 virgins.
WashJeff on April 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Maybe I’m just a mean ol’ bastage, but the idea of popping some panicked ammoless pirates is every bit as appealing as shooting well-armed, battle-hardened pirates. But I’m funny that way.
innominatus on April 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM
What would Keith Olbermann say?
Liberals must be spinning out of control with this bit of news. They are always the first to defend terrorists and not our service men and women.
jencab on April 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Can’t this be spun the other way? “Obama refuses to negotiate with terrorists”?
If the pirates had actually offered to free the captain in return for their freedom, and the White House took the deal, theycould have made hay with the result-”Obama proves diplomacy can work”.
thuljunior on April 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Great line for a novel…
There is more then one way to kill someone, you don’t always need a bullet.
The fact is, the pirates had already lied…the promised the captain would be returned for their shipmate.
When given the shipmate, they kept the captain…so now what, who do you trust?
The only way they were going to get a “safe” escape, would be to take the captain to land, escape and let him go…but why trust the pirates, they already lied.
right2bright on April 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Out of ammo? Best advice I can give would be to surrender.
MarkTheGreat on April 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM
I believe it was SevenPercentSolution who predicted it. Or something like this to happen.
FontanaConservative on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
So what if it was in cold blood? It seems to me that pirates are in that small class of human beings who have voluntarily given up their right to continue breathing.
And the “risk” of those SEAL’s missing from 30 yards away was … minimal. Roughly on par with my chances of getting lucky with Jessica Alba.
Professor Blather on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
“trade captain for freedom”
Whats with all the bitchin?
There free now!;-)
hanoverfist on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Take Hannity out of the equation. It’s safe to say that if there is dawn, bobo has screwed up. Just when you think it’s safe to get out of bed…
pcpower1 on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
We should hang the one we have. Hold a drum head trial on the Bainbridge, then string him up.
fleiter on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
…all it takes is one bullet, are you so sure that they didn’t have the “one” bullet.
right2bright on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I don’t care what the pirates did, or didn’t, have.
Surrender unconditionally or die.
And I prefer that they died.
progressoverpeace on April 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Sucks to be them. Or, more accurately, sucked to be them.
Mr. D on April 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Why should the Navy accept any kind of promise in a negotiation from those cretins? They’d already reneged once, proving they are not worthy of any “deals.”
And my meter is also broken. I’ve had enough with these “I’m so poor so it’s my right to be a criminal” idiots. Just shoot the fuckers when they get too close.
fireweednectar on April 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Interesting. That rather blows the idea that they were about to kill the captain.
Or does it?
AnninCA on April 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I heard a blurb on the radio today that said if the 4th is actually only 16, he’ll be tried as a minor. There won’t be any hanging.
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM
“Obama forces deadly ending to promising negotiation.”
the_nile on April 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Two? I thought it was just the Bainbridge?
Also, these sources are dubious, at best:
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 5:01 PM
How do you figure?
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM
How did the Somalis “have knowledge of the discussions?
Were they there?
Otis B on April 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM
You’re in good company, if my company means anything.
The only time there’s a question about shooting is if they actually have both arms raised. Other than that, have at ‘em. If they happen to be dry, well that’s…pretty funny.
TexasDan on April 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM
If they were out of ammunition, then they couldn’t have been really ready to kill the captain, no?
AnninCA on April 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Now lets not forget with the assistance of US Navy Seals these pirate/terrorist scum also helped to feed many “sea-kittens” by selflessly donating their carcasses to the deep, now that is NOBLE and I’m sure PETA will be falling all over themselves to give them an award, posthumously to the dead pirates of course!
Liberty or Death on April 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM
This kid pirate should be given as much leeway as we can muster.
15 is 15, folks. That’s a kid.
AnninCA on April 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM
… but there is still one left.
VTWaldrup on April 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I don’t care if they were naked and starving the outcome ended as required: good guy fine scratch bad guys.
rsl775 on April 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Yes no one saw the big red “Out of Ammo Flag” pop out of the barrel of the AK-47′s.
Caper29 on April 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
In the words of that crazyass code pink broad that got close to condi…”war criminal, war criminal, war criminal”
LtE126 on April 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
The age of the “pirate” just complicated the entire deal.
These pirates are shrewd. Gotta give them that one.
AnninCA on April 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Agreed, I want more details.
pseudonominus on April 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Obama orders the murder of teenagers on stuck on a boat.
All he had to do was wait another day and everyone would be alive.
OBAMA MUST STAND TRIAL IN THE WORLD COURT FOR HIS CRIMES!
crash72 on April 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I don’t buy this bullcrap for one second. Why? Because The Precedent is taking credit for this military action. If he had even a niggle of a thought that the pirates were out of ammo and thus not an “imminent” threat to Phillips, the Captain of the Bainbridge would be in leg irons right now.
And since the Precedent did take credit for this, the MSM will not defend the terrorists.
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Sean Hannity has reavealed just how deep and disturbing his ODS is. He’s defending pirates/terrorists. What’s next hating on Obama for going after Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does anyone take this nut seriously anymore?
DeathToMediaHacks on April 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM
So you think shooting someone is the only way to kill them?
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Call me paranoid, Gator, but I personally am waiting for the CNNABCNBCMSNBCNYTLATNewsweekStewartMaher coverage based on this: “Bush ‘dead or alive’ Policies Tie Obama’s Hand – Kills Chance for Peace”
Mike D. on April 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Next up:
The loony left calls for prosecution of the Navy Seals for “use of excessive force”…
(but Obama took credit, so isn’t he culpable too?)
landlines on April 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take 5 days.
Jim Treacher on April 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
My only question is why didn’t they shoot days ago?
patriette on April 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
This is a huge IF: If it is true that the pirates were brandishing empty AKs and had no other weapons, the captain of the Bainbridge and the three SEALS will go under the bus so fast it will leave contrails. Zero will find four scapegoats.
Pelayo on April 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
DeathToCapitalistPigs is seething even more than usual. That mean ol’ cognitive dissonance really does a number on an already-confused mind.
Jim Treacher on April 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
fify!
Sweet_Thang on April 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Look for a sob story from the pirate that did give up. The presser yesterday didn’t give much information on the time lind of this action. Leave it to the press to screw it up. So far we don’t have the whole story. Or at least enough of it to make up our minds about exactly what happened.
That is the problem with the MSM. Never enough info to actually make up your mind. Always biased, always incomplete. That is the MSM.
If you choose piracy as a career path, expect a shortend path. What good is the money if you do not survive long enough to spend it?
BetseyRoss on April 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I’m listening to Hannity right now and all I have to ask you is what the heck are you smoking?
ladyingray on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I notice that the happiest person in the photo of Capt. Phillips and Cmdr. Castellano, commanding officer of the USS Bainbridge was Cmdr. Castellano.
He put his career on the line, and won. Also looks like he was on in his bridge-wing chair a lot. PBHO gave him no support if the sniper-ex had gone awry.
Well done, Cmdr. Castellano, your crew, and the embarked SEAL team.
NaCly dog on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Sadly, people sometimes aren’t always truthful. Hard to believe, I know.
a capella on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Now I don’t know anything special but this report doesn’t pass the smell test. A group of heavily armed pirates boards a ship at sea in order to take the crew hostage, and they don’t bring ammo? After all, they didn’t fight it out with anyone, so how did they “run out of ammo?”
Fred 2 on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
It begins. He’ll get heat for this and he’ll blame the military.
LtE126 on April 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
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