Captain Phillips freed, 3 pirates killed

posted at 1:45 pm on April 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s a happy ending on Easter Sunday for Hot Air readers.  Captain Richard Phillips is now free from the pirates holding him hostage, and three of the four captors are now free of oxygen use as a result:

U.S. intelligence official tells the Associated Press Sunday that an American sea captain held hostage by Somali pirates has been freed and was safe aboard a Navy ship. Three of the pirates were killed and one was in custody, according to the official.

U.S. warships and helicopters had been stalking the lifeboat holding Capt. Richard Phillips and his four Somali captors as a Somali official and others reported earlier that negotiations for his release had broken down. …

“The negotiations between the elders and American officials have broken down. The reason is American officials wanted to arrest the pirates in Puntland and elders refused the arrest of the pirates,” said the commissioner, Abdi Aziz Aw Yusuf. He said he organized initial contacts between the elders and the Americans.

Two other Somalis, one involved in the negotiations and another in contact with the pirates, also said the talks collapsed because of the U.S. insistence that the pirates be arrested and brought to justice.

Looks like we brought three of them to justice.  The fourth will get more protection than he deserves, but at least we’ve freed the captain and delivered something of a message.  We’re not going to let pirates run free, and if “elders” think we will, they found out differently today.

From now on, though, the “negotiations” should be us telling the pirates and their envoys that if they surrender, we’ll let them live.  If not, no quarter.  That should be our first and last offer.  If we keep dancing around with Somali “elders” and treat pirates like bank robbers, we’re going to be doing a lot more of these negotiations in the future.

Update: Second time’s the charm.  Phillips jumped overboard again, and this time, the Navy was ready to take out the pirates.  Great work, Navy!

Update II: Looks like the initial reports were incorrect.  After being authorized to use force by President Obama, Navy SEALs took their shots when it appeared the pirates were about to shoot Phillips.  Kudos to the SEALs, and kudos to Obama for making the right call.  If this had gone badly, he would have taken the blame, so it’s fair to credit him with taking the steps necessary to finally bring this to a happy conclusion.


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katy on April 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Bet that doesn’t make it into the movie script.

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Bet that doesn’t make it into the movie script.

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:44 PM

I’m wondering if Capt. Phillips will make it into the movie script…

katy on April 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM

So Obama deserves very slight credit for allowing this action only if the hostage’s life is in immediate danger. Could be worse. I suspect Carter would not have authorized it even then.

But it’s not exactly a profile in courage. Typical of Obama, it was a passive order. He didn’t direct the military to take this action, but simply authorized it in extreme circumstances.

The military took it from there, including interpreting immediate danger to the hostage broadly enough to allow the necessary action.

I’d say overall that Obama passed this test, but with a “D+.” Any higher grade would be just too generous.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM

The executive branch should never be given credit, blame, or (God help us) authority for directing tactical operations in real time. Anyone old enough, or well-read enough, to remember Robert MacNamara’s brain trust selecting bombing targets in Vietnam, to send finely calibrated “messages” to the enemy, knows where that leads. I’d say your D-plus grade is about right. If we’re going to congratulate Obama for giving the military permission to take a shot at barbarians holding an American captive, we’re setting a pretty low bar for approval. Watching certain elements of the media scramble for a way to spin this as positive for Obama is like watching medieval courtiers congratulate the Sun King for an excellent harvest. By tomorrow night, MSNBC will be reporting that Obama personally fired the shots that killed the terrorists, using an automatic gun connected to his Nintendo Wii through the Internet.

What a president is responsible for is leadership. He is the public face that citizens, allies, and enemies see when America faces a crisis – and this was a crisis, with significant international repercussions. On that score, Obama was a disastrous failure. Even a “D” is far too generous of a grade. The attitude of arrogant displeasure that he was forced to pay attention to the situation at all, the lack of strong statements to reassure Captain Phillips’ loved ones – and his fellow citizens – that he would be brought home safely, the images of weakness and vacillation displayed for the last few days… whichever adviser told him to issue a statement that he was “monitoring the situation” did not do him any favors. We got days of Obama looking at first irritated, then overwhelmed, finally assuring the nation that he would follow the whole story on CNN while he played with his new puppy, after telling the Navy he would grudgingly support whatever they did, provided it worked. So far, his only follow-up action has been ordering the FBI to draw a big chalk outline of a cargo ship on the ocean where the Maersk Alabama was hijacked.

What Obama has done so far has been pathetic. What he does next will be crucial, and based on his past performance, it’s likely that the only industry he’ll successfully “stimulate” in this fumbling, frightening presidency is high-seas piracy.

Doctor Zero on April 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM

On Saturday morning, the president agreed to permit action, they said, but only if it appeared that the captain’s life was in imminent danger.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM

The President agreed?

So, it was a negotiation between King Abdullah and the “Old” America?

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:51 PM

I hope somebody gets to ask the Navy personnel on the scene why they didn’t respond when the Captain went into the water on Friday. If it is because they weren’t authorized to use force at the time, that is an absolute disgrace.

The use of force should have been authorized the second Captain Phillips was taken hostage, not two days later on Saturday. The Captain could have been dead on Friday when he tried to escape. He could have used some help then because nobody could have been sure there would have been another opportunity.

Now, I wasn’t there, so maybe there is another reason the Navy didn’t do anything when he went into the water on Friday and that’s understandable. But, if it is because they were not authorized to at that time then the President should have to answer for that.

JohnInCA on April 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM

lol… it’s not because of the ‘liberal international community.’ There aren’t laws against ships crews being armed.

lexhamfox on April 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM

I didn’t say the ‘liberal international community’ was all about International Maritime Law.

The International Maritime Organization is an arm of the UN and is heavily involved in helping decide maritime law. They are vehemently opposed to having an armed crew aboard civilian vessels. This attitude is curious considering that most civilian ships had a stocked arms locker until recently.

While International Maritime Law does not specifically prohibit arming a civilian crew. Many countries do not allow a ship that is carrying any type of arms to dock without additional treaties. Because of this, many ships that hire armed security are forced to pick up the security contingent on open water.

Additionally, having an armed crew can have other repercussions. The Captain of the ship may be held responsible for the actions of his crew while in some ports. Some captains do not wish to have an armed crew because of this issue.

There is also a debate about whether an armed crew can be effective in repelling a determined pirate attack when the pirates might employ RPGs to attack the ship.

This issue is not as simple as a clear law against armed crews. But the majority of the reasons the crews are not armed can be traced back to a liberal international community.

Hawthorne on April 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Another victory for the President.

obl is next.

getalife on April 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

First off, victory for the president?

Second, another implies there was already one?

Oh, that’s right, porkulus was a victory.

TTheoLogan on April 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM

katy on April 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM

…maybe as “that sailor” that created a mess for the White House by trying to be a hero?

They can’t cut him out of the script entirely…can they?

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM

I hope somebody gets to ask the Navy personnel on the scene why they didn’t respond when the Captain went into the water on Friday.

Indeed. That is the burning question.

Spirit of 1776 on April 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM

That link is broken. Is it the code, or did they pull the story?

capitalist piglet on April 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM

I managed to mangle the link. This should work:
New York Times

Saltysam’s post from 11:41 PM reposted the correct link, also.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM

A crushing blow to the Lefties.

A stunning success for America, despite waterheaded lefties.

Got a minute, getaclue.

Life sucks in Leftyland.

Boo Freakin’ Hoo.

Quit crying, getaclue, your cereal is getting all wet.

hillbillyjim on April 13, 2009 at 12:01 AM

The talking points memo didn’t cover your whiny ass this time, did they, getagrip?

Now you’ll have to actually think for yourself.

Bwahahahaha! Yeah, that was absurd.

hillbillyjim on April 13, 2009 at 12:03 AM

They can’t cut him out of the script entirely…can they?

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:55 PM

I think they can. Obama’s entire life story is still a mystery with missing characters all along the way and he made it to the WH.

With Obama… all things are possible. Repeat.. repeat again..

katy on April 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM

I step away from a thread for a few hours and return to 12 hundredsomeodd posts.

But Sisyphus isn’t returning my calls, and I’m not rolling that boulder.

My quick take.
Obama bringing in the FBI/DOJ smacks of 09-10-01 thinking.
Not good.

Obama allowing the USN to act.
Good.

And of course, props to the USN.
They used a brilliant tactical move. (i’m not sayin)
And executed an ops plan that was probably in place on day one.
Very Good.

Obama playing five days of white house dog ,pizza parties, housing.
Very Not Good.

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 12:05 AM

What a president is responsible for is leadership. He is the public face that citizens, allies, and enemies see when America faces a crisis – and this was a crisis, with significant international repercussions. On that score, Obama was a disastrous failure. Even a “D” is far too generous of a grade. The attitude of arrogant displeasure that he was forced to pay attention to the situation at all, the lack of strong statements to reassure Captain Phillips’ loved ones – and his fellow citizens – that he would be brought home safely, the images of weakness and vacillation displayed for the last few days… whichever adviser told him to issue a statement that he was “monitoring the situation” did not do him any favors. We got days of Obama looking at first irritated, then overwhelmed, finally assuring the nation that he would follow the whole story on CNN while he played with his new puppy, after telling the Navy he would grudgingly support whatever they did, provided it worked. So far, his only follow-up action has been ordering the FBI to draw a big chalk outline of a cargo ship on the ocean where the Maersk Alabama was hijacked.

What Obama has done so far has been pathetic. What he does next will be crucial, and based on his past performance, it’s likely that the only industry he’ll successfully “stimulate” in this fumbling, frightening presidency is high-seas piracy.

Doctor Zero on April 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM

And the gun industry, of course…

I’d call it a D+ because he passed, at least this time, which is all that matters right now. But to extend the metaphor, it’s only a D+ because he was cribbing answers from people who knew what they were doing.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on April 13, 2009 at 12:05 AM

I hope somebody gets to ask the Navy personnel on the scene why they didn’t respond when the Captain went into the water on Friday. If it is because they weren’t authorized to use force at the time, that is an absolute disgrace.JohnInCA on April 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I will leave this info so you can decide for yourself. It aint lookin pretty…

Captain tried to escape from piratesposted at 12:18 pm on April 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Then there are these–the 2 times Obama authorized the use of force if the captains life was in danger.
TICK TOCK
10 April 2009 2000 thats 8pm to civiliansPOTUS requests readout of Deputies Committee meeting. National Security Council gives POTUS telephone update on current situation and conclusions of Deputies Committee. POTUS gives Department of Defense policy guidance and certain authorities to set of U.S. forces to engage in potential emergency actions.

11 April 2009 0920 thats 920am to civilians.National Security Council gives POTUS telephone update on current situation. POTUS gives Department of Defense policy guidance and certain authorities to additional set of U.S. forces to engage in potential emergency actions.

canditaylor68 on April 13, 2009 at 12:05 AM

remember Robert MacNamara’s brain trust selecting bombing targets in Vietnam,

I remember Rolling Thunder had North Vietnam on their knees and literally within days of surrendering but we were suckered by the Chinese into thinking otherwise, and caved in to the traitors here at home.

Winners WIN, Losers Negotiate!

Pole-Cat on April 13, 2009 at 12:07 AM

“using an automatic gun connected to his Nintendo Wii through the Internet”

Actually that IS doable

DSchoen on April 13, 2009 at 12:08 AM

if it is because they were not authorized to at that time then the President should have to answer for that.

JohnInCA on April 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM


It wasn’t a bow, the President was bending over to shake hands with the short monarch.

Next question.

Saltysam on April 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM

From way up thread:

So in other words, I do not know how else it can logically be interpreted, no matter how many golden opportunities the U.S. Navy had to kill the ‘pirates’ and save the Captain, Obama ordered that the U.S. Navy could only shoot at the pirates if it looked like it was probably too late to save the Captain.

MB4 on April 12, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Loxodonta on April 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Conversation decrypted by personnel in NSA:

Obama: No lethal force until diplomacy has been given a chance to work.
OSC: Yes Mister President. What if they attempt to terminate the hostage sir?
Obama: Ahhh… uh… oh well in that case, you can act to defend the hostage’s life.
OSC: Understood sir. Thank you sir. (away from the mike) Take the shot. (several sharp cracks from a distance)
Obama: What was that? Did you just order your men to shoot the looters of less fortunate origins???
OSC: I’m sorry sir, the hostage was in imminent danger from the pirates sir.
Obama: We don’t use the “P” word commander. They are looters of less fortunate origins.
OSC: Aye-aye sir, the hostage was in imminent danger from… them sir.
Obama: Did you wound them… you know… wing ‘em?
OSC: I’ll have to check sir, but Navy Seals aren’t trained to “wing”. Probably head shots sir. Would you like me to verify and send pictures sir?
Obama: No no no no no… Ah… couldn’t have used non-lethal snipers to neutralize them? Kind of like voting them off the island sort of thing?
OSC: Ah… negative sir, we had no non-lethal snipers on-scene.
Obama: Well then, we’ll have to see to it that training non-lethal snipers are a higher-priority on the DoD budget from now on. Carry on then commander.
OSC: Aye aye sir. You and the family enjoy the rest of your Easter sir. God bless.
Obama: Uh yeah… whatever.

Immolate on April 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Why would Mr. Pantywaist (a.k.a. Teleprompter) send an FBI “negotiator” (Justice Department) first, into a Military Operation (SEAL Team) that he now says he approved, with orders stating “only act if the life of the Captain was in danger” ……….?

………. What do you think the Captain was doing, teaching them how to fish?

Watch for the answer………….

……… in where the surviving pirate terrorist disenfranchised Somali Marine ends up.

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Obama: No no no no no… Ah… couldn’t have used non-lethal snipers to neutralize them? Kind of like voting them off the island sort of thing?

Immolate on April 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM

heh.

katy on April 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Not to worry, Somalia! The organizers are on the way! Hip Hip!

hillbillyjim on April 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Immolate on April 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM

That was very, very good. Thanks.

Loxodonta on April 13, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Well, anyway…

God Bless the US Navy SEALS.

I LOVE the statement by Captain Phillips on the Bainbridge after he said, “Thank you very much”.

He said, “You’re real.”

SEALS…Real.

I love it.

Saltysam on April 13, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Why would Mr. Pantywaist (a.k.a. Teleprompter) send an FBI “negotiator” (Justice Department) first, into a Military Operation (SEAL Team) that he now says he approved, with orders stating “only act if the life of the Captain was in danger” ……….?

………. What do you think the Captain was doing, teaching them how to fish?

Watch for the answer………….

……… in where the surviving pirate terrorist disenfranchised Somali Marine ends up.

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2009 at 12:15 AM

If it’s an American Prison, he’s got three hots & a cot, plus free medical care. He’ll live to 95.

Tag him and toss him back to his “mates”. He’s dead in 10 months. Tops.

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 12:24 AM

…to the shores of Tripoli

The enemy was the so-called Barbary pirates — agents of the North African provinces of the Ottoman Caliphate. In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams even went to London to negotiate directly with the envoy from Tripoli. The ambassador told them “it was written in the Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave.” He claimed every one of his guys who was “slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.”

Thanks to Fred Thompson

Just look how far we have come in 200 years.
Winners WIN, Losers Negotiate!

Pole-Cat on April 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Another victory for the President Big Bhro.

obl Sarah Palinstein is next.

getalife on April 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

And I’ll bet you think two plus two equals five.

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM

And I’ll bet you think two plus two equals five.

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM

She does have a very “interesting” definition of fascism…

Upstater85 on April 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Indeed. That is the burning question.

Spirit of 1776 on April 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Not any more. The Navy ships don’t sail with SEALs on board. In the last 36 hours, at night, they were dropped into the water, equipped and also with boats, so they could reach the ship. On the ship they prepared for the final action/s.

Doctor Zero, great comment. Just one thing to add

The United States government policy is to not negotiate.

~ ~ Navy Vice Admiral William Gortney.

No proof that Obowa said this somewhere, since Capt. Phillips was taken hostage.

Entelechy on April 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM

She does have a very “interesting” definition of fascism…

Upstater85 on April 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Yes. Among many other very “interesting” definitions.

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM

and the NBC pantywaist “will this increase violence?”

Entelechy on April 12, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Hopefully. Against the rest of the pirates!

soundingboard on April 13, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Saltysam on April 12, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Thank you, and thanks to TGTN as well.

capitalist piglet on April 13, 2009 at 1:08 AM

obl is next.

getalife on April 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

You’ll have to fight the ants to relinquish him.

Entelechy on April 13, 2009 at 1:27 AM

The supply of Somali so-called ‘pirates’ (they’re just everyday thugs and criminals in every way, but on the sea… meh… YARRR!) has got to be a limited supply. Not every Somali person and Somali boat is sea worthy for such a task as hijacking sea vessels.

We just need to casually stroll some ships through the area and let the Somali’s come. When they’re about a mile or so out, the armed escorts pop out with their Sea Sparrow missles and blast them. Or, some hidden .50 cal machine guns, or whatever. Point is, it shouldn’t take too long to rid the seas of them if they’re just blown from the water on sight. Only a multi-nation coordinated armed escort system is needed, and a few decoy ships.

Blackwater comes to mind…

SilverStar830 on April 13, 2009 at 1:57 AM

What is so great about the decision to authorize the Defense Department to take necessary action if Capt. Richard Phillips’ life was in imminent danger? That’s the minimum any president must do.

Obama was voting present, scared to death of the political repercussions if he had demanded the release of the captain and acted tough but nothing happened for days, weeks or months. He was hoping that the Navy will save his black cowardly hide. And they did. So the MSM will now portray him as Mr. Cool under extreme pressure. There are millions of stupid Americans who will fall for this.

Birdseye on April 13, 2009 at 2:04 AM

Ninjas > Pirates.

theflyonthewall on April 13, 2009 at 2:08 AM

obl is next.

getalife on April 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

You’ll have to fight the ants to relinquish him.

Entelechy on April 13, 2009 at 1:27 AM

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL

They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from under an ant hill or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash whatever remains of your head!

They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistani or even within an Antcolonystani?
One thing we know for sure
If hes not already hes going to burn in Hell!

PercyB on April 13, 2009 at 2:13 AM

I give it a month or less and Zero will announce that we will address the pirate scourge once and for all; with jizya, which, in the relatively civilized world, is known as tribute.

Oh, he’ll call it addressing the root causes and rectifying the wrongs of the past and of the imperialists and colonists and such, but now it’ll be up to us to provide hope and change for Somalia, ‘cuz Zero’s the sucker the Umma has been waiting for.

After all, it worked out so well the last time we tried that…

Maquis on April 13, 2009 at 2:15 AM

Not really into conspiracies or stuff like that but, they way this went down was the seals took the shot and Obama said, OOOO tell the press I told em to do it!

I think it would be that easy and the commander of the seal team or admiral or whoever never even spoke to that assbag.

Bladerunner1701 on April 13, 2009 at 2:57 AM

Immolate on April 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM

LOL, Comedic Gold. Good Show! Like we would ever see that on SNL or Comedy Central.

Daemonocracy on April 13, 2009 at 3:07 AM

Since the Captain is safe, I can post this.

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Somalia/

I can’t find the one on NBC and MSNBC.

IlikedAUH2O on April 13, 2009 at 5:29 AM

Under “The Credits” it mentions that Somalia is right next to Kenya. I wonder why.

IlikedAUH2O on April 13, 2009 at 5:30 AM

I wondered where getalife was.

No thread would be complete without some silly comment from getalife.

But obl is next? Please, there has been a standing order for that guy’s head for some years now. But hopefully if the Navy or some other branch of the military gets him in their sights Obama will not screw around for five days before he lets the US military do its job. He will probably send in the FBI to negotiate and investigate first.

I still think there is something fishy about all this. I know that Bush signed an order giving military personnel in the field the power to act to save Americans. Do these orders go null and void when a president leaves office or something? Why was it necessary to get any orders, much less two and why did it take two?

Terrye on April 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM

I still think there is something fishy about all this. I know that Bush signed an order giving military personnel in the field the power to act to save Americans. Do these orders go null and void when a president leaves office or something? Why was it necessary to get any orders, much less two and why did it take two?

Terrye on April 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM

How do you know of a standing order from President Bush such as you mention? What proof do you offer that such an order ever existed? You must be pretty gullible if you think there is any truth to that story. There is no Presidential order that would cover this situation. It’s seems fishy to me that any President would want to give the military blanket authority to act in the name of the United States to protect Americian lives without getting authorized up the chain of command which includes the president. When hostilities are involved the president has the constitutional authority to order them. No one else has this awesome power to place our military into hostilities. Especially not anyone in the military. Even in combat such blanket authority does not exist. Specific orders are necessary. The military hands are tie without direct orders to act unless in self defense and then only when fired apon first. The reason we have a civilian commander-in-chief of the armed forces is to prevent exactly that. We don’t want the military taking matters into their own hands. This alleged authority would destroy the military chain of command since the president is the commander-in-chief. The president is responsible for what the military does. The military does have the right to defend itself if under attack but only as a last resort while making higher authority aware.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:12 AM

I wonder if it ever occured to the 4 pirate assclowns that if highly trained American military snipers were watching them, agreeing to have their boat towed to calmer water was the very LAST thing they should have agreed to?

Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said Phillips was tied up and in “imminent danger” of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot. Gortney said Navy snipers took aim at the pirates’ heads and shoulders.

Gortney said the lifeboat was about 25-30 yards (meters) away and was being towed by the Bainbridge at the time. Pirates had agreed to let the warship tow the powerless lifeboat out of rough water.

Darwin Award?

I think they qualify.

manofaiki on April 13, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Why was it necessary to get any orders, much less two and why did it take two?
Terrye on April 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM

President Obama ordered the military on Friday to use the assets available to free the hostage. The opportunity to do so did not arrive. Meanwhile more and better suited assets arrived for this mission on Saturday. The order was amended on Saturday to include the new assets. Again, you do not seem to understand how the military functions under it’s orders. The military has broad authority to use only the assets authorized. At the commencement of hostilities only the president through the joint chiefs down the chain of command can authorize it. Any material deviation from the current orders such as adding new military units to the equation requires reauthorization.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Darwin Award?

I think they qualify.

manofaiki on April 13, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Dumber than that was to accept a lifeboat with no fuel onboard.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:23 AM

I still think there is something fishy about all this. I know that Bush signed an order giving military personnel in the field the power to act to save Americans. Do these orders go null and void when a president leaves office or something? Why was it necessary to get any orders, much less two and why did it take two?

Terrye on April 13, 2009 at 6:39 AM

You sound as dopey as Bush. Sorry, you lose, Real American. Thanks for playing.

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM

I really don’t think this went as the media is saying it went.
Last week I listened from the news about the FBI negotiator that was headed down there. I listened as the media hailed the brilliance of the FBI when it comes to negotiations and the need for an “expert” negotiator in such matters. (A put down of the military and praise for the “genius” of how Obama was handling it).
Then this weekend happens. After the captain is rescued the White House puts out that Obama twice ordered military action.
Why twice??? Another diss on the military??? Obama saying the military screwed up the first time???
More like Obama saving face. Perhaps the military acted on it’s own after being told to stand back and let the “experts” negotiate,, then when they rescued the captain,, Obama had to show he was out ahead of things by stating he “ordered action twice.”

JellyToast on April 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM

JellyToast on April 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM

Obama permitted action. Once (the second time). This is clear from the NYT link posted earlier.

gh on April 13, 2009 at 7:41 AM

……… in where the surviving pirate terrorist disenfranchised Somali Marine ends up.

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2009 at 12:15 AM

If this is in fact a Somali “Marine” the nation of Somalia has committed an act of war against the United States. This would place the Somali Marine outside the reach of the US civilian court system and he would be a qualified POW. In which case we can keep him until the end of hostilities perhaps forever. He can be housed in a POW prison according to the Geneva convention. Since this then becomes a Somali Act of aggression against the United States we can now capture any and all Somali so called “pirates” and have them join their companion.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM

You sound as dopey as Bush. Sorry, you lose, Real American. Thanks for playing.

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 7:25 AM

Somebody rolled your rock over early this morning?

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 7:50 AM

I really don’t think this went as the media is saying it went.

JellyToast on April 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM

I am certain there will be a book and probably a movie abouth this episode. Be sure to look for it coming soon to a theater near you. More facts about this will come out as time goes on. From the rest of your post I doubt you can handle the truth.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Three barefoot and hungry Somali Pirates in a fueless lifeboat on the high seas – taken out by the US Navy.

THE MILITARY MASTERY OF THE DEMOCRATS IS BACK BABY!!

HondaV65 on April 13, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Idiot America has no idea how to respond to this. On one hand, they need to support teh troops. On the other they can’t give teh Muslim Socialist any credit. Their 3rd grade intellects can’t quite figure out how to do both effectively.

I look forward to seeing all of you surl, unwashed Real Americans on Wednesday. Be sure to sneer at the camera!

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Three barefoot and hungry Somali Pirates in a fueless lifeboat on the high seas – taken out by the US Navy.

<em>THE MILITARY MASTERY OF THE DEMOCRATS IS BACK BABY!!

HondaV65 on April 13, 2009 at 7:55 AM

If you had a clue how difficult it is to take out three AK47 armed Somalis at the same time on the rolling sea to save an American life you would not be so glib about this. You make a political point that is baseless and trite. Your reply was obviously not well thought out and is in fact disgusting. You dishonor the incredible skill of the US Military when you write this trash.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Three barefoot armed and hungry headless Somali Pirates in a fueless lifeboat on the high seas – taken out cruise tickets punched by the US Navy.

THE MILITARY MASTERY OF THE DEMOCRATS IS BACK BABY!!

HondaV65 on April 13, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Sow anarchy, reap justice.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 8:04 AM

I look forward to seeing all of you surl, unwashed Real Americans on Wednesday. Be sure to sneer at the camera!

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:01 AM

You really are fearfull of actual tax-paying Americans protesting paying for your socialist lifestyle, aren’t you?

Must suck being a surl you.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Funny how liberals show nothing but didain for our military until a liberal president needs them

Bevan on April 13, 2009 at 8:16 AM

For those looking, here’s a part of Real America:

In Vt. church, they pray for captain held hostage

Always a sacred day in the Catholic faith, Easter Sunday took on special significance this time at the church where hostage sea captain Richard Phillips normally worships…

“Evil and death and sin do not have the final say,” Danielson said. “That is the essential message of Easter. Love and life, goodness and life, they always are the true realities. The world of terror and war and greed, the world of pirates and criminals large and small who prey on individuals, whole nations and regions of the world, they are the ones on the wrong side of history.”

Loxodonta on April 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Didn’t vote for him. Disagree with him on 99% of what he has done so far. But in this case, he did the right thing.

PrincipledPilgrim on April 13, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Hmmmm, looks like hunting season on Somali pirates has just been declared open… Get your tags now people… No limits on how many you can bag…

doriangrey on April 13, 2009 at 8:28 AM

There is no Presidential order that would cover this situation.
kanda on April 13, 2009 at 7:12 AM

How do you know that? Piracy off the Somali coast is a well known fact. And the chance of an American crew being taken hostage is very likely. Why wouldn’t a responsible president anticipate an event like this and have orders in place to allow responsible military personal to act quickly to save American lives?

csdeven on April 13, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Obama permitted action. Once (the second time). This is clear from the NYT link posted earlier.

gh on April 13, 2009 at 7:41 AM

The Defense Department twice sought Mr. Obama’s permission to use force to rescue Captain Phillips, most recently on Friday night, senior defense officials said. On Saturday morning, the president agreed, they said, if it appeared that the captain’s life was in imminent danger.

Just to be thoroughly clear, here is the NY Times report verbatim.

Note that the paraphrased statement from the Defense Department states:

On Saturday morning, the president agreed, they said, if it appeared that the captain’s life was in imminent danger.

If the NY Times can be trusted at all, then this was a negotiation that resulted in the President capitulating with a qualifier, an insufferable political hedge IMHO.

To anyone that doesn’t sweat trying to read, this is a diamond plate indication that we have a serious crisis in leadership.

And future enemies are watching closely. They, of course, do not rely on rose colored glasses worn by the star struck morons on the left to interpret the English language.

Saltysam on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

transcript of a conservation on the Bainbridge

So, is there a rescue op being planned?

Not sure,

So, we just watch these guys?

Yeah, just watch. Well, unless Cpt Phillips looks to be in imminent danger. Then we can engage the pirates.

Really? Hey, look! I think that pirate is pointing his weapon at the captain.

Well now, I think so too.

chasdal on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

You really are fearfull of actual tax-paying Americans protesting paying for your socialist lifestyle, aren’t you?

Must suck being a surl you.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Please display your predictable grammar skills on Wednesday, teabagger. You might be as famous as this guy.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eexlebots/513709851/

Enjoy, Moran.

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Idiot America has no idea how to respond to this. On one hand, they need to support teh troops. On the other they can’t give teh Muslim Socialist any credit. Their 3rd grade intellects can’t quite figure out how to do both effectively.

I look forward to seeing all of you surl, unwashed Real Americans on Wednesday. Be sure to sneer at the camera!

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Idiot leftist America knew exactly how to respond to such things under Bush. No matter how great the military accomplishment was, they condemned it. When things went bad, they, condemned, it.

liberalism 101. It’s a companion course to Alinsky 101.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Please display your predictable grammar skills on Wednesday, teabagger.
capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

The “grammer skills” was nothing more than a carryover
from your own 8:01 AM post: ” you surl, unwashed Real Americans on Wednesday”.

You really are a dolt.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Enjoy, Moran.

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Idiot America has no idea how to respond to this. On one hand, they need to support teh troops. On the other(,) they can’t give teh Muslim Socialist any credit. Their 3rd grade intellects can’t quite figure out how to do both effectively.

Moran!

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 8:51 AM

The superior intellect of the left cleverly using the Mercedes Logo instead of the real (dove footprint) peace sign. You might as well make a little pocket change advertising at the same time you’re stabbing your military in the back.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Code Pink superior intellect.

Palestinian superior intellect.

Oh, let’s give it to capitulus, they’re just so much smarter at making protest signs than us.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Enjoy, Moran.

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Idiot America has no idea how to respond to this. On one hand, they need to support teh troops. On the other(,) they can’t give teh Muslim Socialist any credit. Their 3rd grade intellects can’t quite figure out how to do both effectively.

Moran!

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 8:51 AM

To give credit where credit is due, at least the people who wrote the “getalife” spambot were thoughtful enough to include a spell checker in the latest version.

Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM

To give credit where credit is due, at least the people who wrote the “getalife” spambot were thoughtful enough to include a spell checker in the latest version.

Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM

They went with a cheap bot: twelve monkeys pounding on keyboards.

The monkeys have been lucky so far. Getalife, not so much.

Yoop on April 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM

I don’t know. Would the Republicans be pushing socialized medicine? Would they be chomping at the bit to reduce our nuclear arsenal and hamstring missile defense? Would they be giving up rights of American business to an international governing board? Would they be taxing you until you puke?

You honestly didn’t feel safer with President Bush in charge?

capitalist piglet on April 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Thank you for your kind reponse.

The focus of my comment was strictly about the topic of this post, the pirate hostage rescue. Speaking strictly to that. As I said, would this rescue have happened under Bush’s watch everyone here would have nothing but praise, but because it’s Obama I sense an emotional reactionary outburst simply because he is disliked.

As for feeling safer under Bush. At the time I was an ignorant fool (I speak of myself, please don’t personalize the description) and took him at his word, and yes, it gave the impression of safety and I felt it myself. But having studied the situation without emotion, I now realize he endangered our lives by his draconian expansion of spying, interment, and torture, which is now being expanded by President Obama contrary to his campaign promises. Bush also purposely left the border porous so as to further integrate America-Mexico, which has been a dream of the elite families for years.

Look at it closely without emotion and you will find something different.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Moran!

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Thanks for the tip, *!

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM

To give credit where credit is due, at least the people who wrote the “getalife” spambot were thoughtful enough to include a spell checker in the latest version.

Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM

I was under the impression the nice nurse at the assisted living facility watches over her shoulder and never lets her hit submit comment without getting the thumbs up.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:30 AM

capitulus on April 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM

No problem! Anytime you need a grammar or spelling tip, just asterisk.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:31 AM

How do you know that? Piracy off the Somali coast is a well known fact. And the chance of an American crew being taken hostage is very likely. Why wouldn’t a responsible president anticipate an event like this and have orders in place to allow responsible military personal to act quickly to save American lives?

csdeven on April 13, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Don’t get stuck on stupid. You can not possibly write a single order to the military that would cover all possible situations. The general order could be to assess and report including defend yourself but nver to take unilateral action and kill someone without authorization.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:32 AM

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Wrong.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:36 AM

True_King:

No, under Bush’s watch Americans were not taken and held for days on end in full view of a large part of the US Navy. And no, if such a thing did happen, the people here would be singing the praises of the US Military. If Bush were President, no one would have wondered or guessed if he would authorize the use of force. It would not be a big deal.

But I forgot, you read a book that made you see the light about what Bush was really like and what his Dad was like. or something.

Terrye on April 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Thank you for your response.

I respectfully disagree. Bush’s strong military leadership was the only thing you all had and pointed it out constantly.

As for the “book” I read. I have NEVER read any book on any of the members of the Bush family. I have no desire to, nor do I need to. Your accusation is a lie. As I’ve stated before, I simply look at the fruit that the tree produces.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Just to be thoroughly clear, here is the NY Times report verbatim.

Note that the paraphrased statement from the Defense Department states:

On Saturday morning, the president agreed, they said, if it appeared that the captain’s life was in imminent danger.

If the NY Times can be trusted at all, then this was a negotiation that resulted in the President capitulating with a qualifier, an insufferable political hedge IMHO.

To anyone that doesn’t sweat trying to read, this is a diamond plate indication that we have a serious crisis in leadership.

And future enemies are watching closely. They, of course, do not rely on rose colored glasses worn by the star struck morons on the left to interpret the English language.

Saltysam on April 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Even you qualified your own reply with “If the NY Times can be trusted at all”. The point is that all reporting at this time is second and third hand with a goodly amount of speculation thrown in.

So by writing “To anyone that doesn’t sweat trying to read, this is a diamond plate indication that we have a serious crisis in leadership.” You just add to the speculation and posit your opinion as plausible fact.

This is interesting to say the least. People just can’t admit maybe the OJT is working and Obama is learning and got something right for a change.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM

By tomorrow night, MSNBC will be reporting that Obama personally fired the shots that killed the terrorists, using an automatic gun connected to his Nintendo Wii through the Internet. Nope. I’m sure “the one” would never have anything to do with a gun. I rather imagine it will be something like he just pointed his finger and went “bang”

katablog.com on April 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Sorry, apparently hit a wrong button

By tomorrow night, MSNBC will be reporting that Obama personally fired the shots that killed the terrorists, using an automatic gun connected to his Nintendo Wii through the Internet.

Nope. I’m sure “the one” would never have anything to do with a gun. I rather imagine it will be something like he just pointed his finger and went “bang”

katablog.com on April 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM

He got it right by restricting their options for a full day of the standoff?

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Thank you for your response.

I respectfully disagree. Bush’s strong military leadership was the only thing you all had and pointed it out constantly.

As for the “book” I read. I have NEVER read any book on any of the members of the Bush family. I have no desire to, nor do I need to. Your accusation is a lie. As I’ve stated before, I simply look at the fruit that the tree produces.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 9:38 AM

This reminds me of the scene in Patton when Patton is looking out over the battlefield looking at the burning hulks of the german tanks and yelled “Rommel… you magnificent bastard, *I read your book*!”

Since you don’t read about your opponet you will never defeat him. Such is the case for ignorance.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:50 AM

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Look who’s talking about ignorance with your “general order” comment.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM

He got it right by restricting their options for a full day of the standoff?

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Do you have proof of that or are you a parrot repeating what others write. Look hawk you just don’t know the truth right now. It is unwise to make sensitive statements that you know nothing about. I have seen reports that the military decided on friday not to take them out Same for saturday. After Obama gave the authorization. You don’t want to go there with me. I respect you but will not let you get away with lies and speculation. You may end up to be right but unless you have proof and you don’t it is time to stop.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Another victory for the President.

obl is next.

getalife on April 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Obama inherited, Bush’s Navy Seals too. Half credit to George Bush.

Kjeil on April 13, 2009 at 9:57 AM

As for feeling safer under Bush. At the time I was an ignorant fool (I speak of myself, please don’t personalize the description) and took him at his word, and yes, it gave the impression of safety and I felt it myself. But having studied the situation without emotion, I now realize he endangered our lives by his draconian expansion of spying, interment, and torture, which is now being expanded by President Obama contrary to his campaign promises. Bush also purposely left the border porous so as to further integrate America-Mexico, which has been a dream of the elite families for years.

Look at it closely without emotion and you will find something different.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 9:28 AM

I can see where you’re coming from on the porous border with Mexico, but “draconian expansion of spying, internment, and torture?” Adjectives are in the eye of the beholder, but “draconian” seems a bit stiff for describing three guys getting waterboarded. And if the way Bush authorized these things was “draconian,” meaning tyrannical, then what do you think the proper procedure for instituting tough interrogation policies would have been? Run it by the editorial board of the New York Times? Take an Internet poll? These interrogation measures indisputably provided valuable information from Khalid Mohammed, which did indeed make you safer. Maybe there were other ways to get that intel out of that hairball, but I don’t blame the post-9/11 security apparatus for not wanting to take chances.

When did the “draconian” expansion in spying take place? Granted that you heard a lot more about spying during the Bush years, because the media was eagerly divulging classified information every chance they got. The only sense in which you’re safer under Obama is the absolute certainty that the media will never, ever publish classified intelligence while he is president.

There was indeed a significant expansion in internment under Bush. The internment camp was filled with people who could have lawfully been executed on the battlefield.

Even if we grant that spying, internment, and “torture” increased under Bush, how did those things make you “less safe?” Do you think terrorists are going to be meaner because we slapped some of them on the belly at Guantanamo Bay? It cannot have escaped your notice that terrorists already have absolutely zero interest in obeying the Geneva Conventions, so there isn’t much room for them to get more barbaric because they feel they have been mistreated. The notion that fighting them effectively and giving them less than four-star accomodations while they’re captives is foolishness. Even the loudmouth Europeans eventually had to quietly admit that Guantanamo Bay was run to a standard few of them could have matched. I can’t believe anyone would give any credence to the absurd “fighting terrorists only creates more of them” idea… but if you do believe that, you must be bracing yourself for the Somalian re-enactment of the climax from the third “Pirates of the Caribbean” movie, as an armada of angry buccaneers takes to the waves to avenge the three dirtbags we just blew away.

You might be less safe as a result of Bush’s internment policies… because Obama might decide to set one of the ex-Gitmo detainees up in a condo down the street from you.

Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Look who’s talking about ignorance with your “general order” comment.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Clarify that for tihs ignorant person that I am smarty pants. You want conflict you got it.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM

As much proof as your “reports”.

And if you really have access to INTSUMs then you better not be shooting your mouth off on a open internet thread about what you know. I would have a responsibility to make my S2 aware of your comments.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Upstater:

Well I think the idea behind McCain Feingold was the corruption of money in politics. I am not saying it was a good way to go about dealing with corruption, but I do think that was the motivation. Look at Obama and the $400 million he raised from God knows where. Look at all the shenanigans that goes on in Congress just trying to find ways to raise money to be reelected. Some people think of money as freedom of speech, some people look at it as a way to buy influence.
Terrye on April 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM

The problem with CFR is it’s unconstitutional provision that bars third parties from naming candidates close to an election. That is the biggest issue with the law.

As for nation building, Afghanistan is going to take a long time. Reagan did not want to do nation building in Afghanistan after we helped defeat the Soviets there and the long term outcome was AlQaida. As for Iraq, I think we have a far greater chance of having an ally in Iraq today than we would ever have had with Saddam and his psycho offspring.

Terrye on April 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Nation building takes the lives of our children, makes them debtors for generations, makes the international banking monopoly, which funds the war through printed money, richer and opens up new nations to it’s debt based fiat currency. The biggest losers are the American people since they are stuck paying the bill.

Unfortunately, it seems you just take the information that the government gives you as unimpeachable doctrine. I hope I’m wrong but your reasoning about America not nation building Afghanistan during Reagan led to Al Qaeda is a bit of a stretch and gives me reason to think so.

You seem like a very smart person, look beyond the politics and you will see things you wish you never had.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM

As much proof as your “reports”.

And if you really have access to INTSUMs then you better not be shooting your mouth off on a open internet thread about what you know. I would have a responsibility to make my S2 aware of your comments.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

You talk big for a little cog on a big wheel. Let me ease your mind. I am just a civilian who cares about the USA and respects our eleceted officials. I have just as much right to my opinion as you do yours. What I write is genelly available information for various press accounts not specualtion like you make about Obama. You on the otherhand unless I and wrong are in the military and disrespect you commander in chief. That is your problem hawk. Don’t even go there hawk. Threatening a military action through your S-2 against a civilian in the USA will get you busted and possible tossed out of the military. I’m not a patsy so you need to get yourself under control.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Clarify that for tihs ignorant person that I am smarty pants. You want conflict you got it.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

“General Orders” across the military have absolutely nothing to do with the context you were discussing. They are written specifically for sentries. Not just one of two, but all of the services have “General Orders” They are all specific, required to be memorized by each sentry and are written in a manner to “cover all situations”.

The operational directive we receive for an Army unit would be in an OPORD. It might contain the ROE, but “General Orders” are fixed and learned by most in their entry level indoctrination.

BTW, I respect you too; until you go into every comment with a Hot Air person insulting their intelligence. Premptively. You’re really quite insightful for the most part. Why you feel the need to comment in the same manner as someone like capitulus? Pretty soon, we’re all feeling the need to do it.

hawkdriver on April 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

I can see where you’re coming from on the porous border with Mexico, but “draconian expansion of spying, internment, and torture?” Adjectives are in the eye of the beholder, but “draconian” seems a bit stiff for describing three guys getting waterboarded. And if the way Bush authorized these things was “draconian,” meaning tyrannical, then what do you think the proper procedure for instituting tough interrogation policies would have been? Run it by the editorial board of the New York Times? Take an Internet poll? These interrogation measures indisputably provided valuable information from Khalid Mohammed, which did indeed make you safer. Maybe there were other ways to get that intel out of that hairball, but I don’t blame the post-9/11 security apparatus for not wanting to take chances.
Doctor Zero on April 13, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Thank you very much for your response.

I think that you have a good and reasoned take on this, but my concern is valid. These compromises of security over freedom, if placed into the hands of the wrong man, will lead to disaster. Remember that all the laws you mentioned can be used against US citizens.

I respect your opinion, but again, it is all predicated on whether you take all the information that the government presents as the gospel truth. I say this with all due respect but you give the impression that you do.

I take the opposite approach. I don’t take the information given by this government as gospel, I take it as information that needs to be screened against what we know outside the government marketing scheme. Governments are notorious for lying, ours is no different, we have a historical record of it. Because of this, skepticism, especially in a time of war, is needed.

Again, everything you say is predicated upon taking the information the government (the thing the forefathers warned to look at with a skeptical and vigilant eye) has provided the masses as the end of the subject.

It is our duty to skeptically apply a reasonable “stress test” to any information given to us that was carefully worded for mass consumption.

I hope you all have a nice day.

True_King on April 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I’m not a patsy so you need to get yourself under control.

kanda on April 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Yeah, right.

BetseyRoss on April 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

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