Video: Angry guy dressed as Founding Father ready for the tea parties
posted at 5:00 pm on April 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Yeah, this guy again. He and Beck have a thing for Thomas Paine because of the revolutionary resonance of “Common Sense,” to the point where GB claims to be rewriting that pamphlet for a modern audience. Fair enough, but a guy who takes as much inspiration from Moses and Jesus as Beck does might want to be careful about stirring up a vogue for Paine. Conservative populists won’t like everything they find there.
Note the comparison towards the end between Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and … the spending bill, all perpetrated by a sinister “they.”
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I don’t know. What about the Civil Service Corps? I have a ten year old daughter. No way will she ever be part of it.
We already Give & Serve and it’s no Act.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking a weapon to the Boston Tea Party. But I think we all need to decide where our line is.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM
The abuse of terms like “general welfare” which is used to justify every spending package imaginable this leading to trillions in debt and our elected officials otherwise greatly exceeding the Constitutional limits of power (hence “no taxation without representation” is valid as they’re abusing their representative authority) is the reason for this Tea Party IMO.
But don’t take my word for it,
I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
- Thomas Jefferson
[O]ur tenet ever was, and, indeed, it is almost the only landmark which now divides the federalists from the republicans, that Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money. – Thomas Jefferson
Money cannot be applied to the General Welfare, otherwise than by an application of it to some particular measure conducive to the General Welfare. Whenever, therefore, money has been raised by the General Authority, and is to be applied to a particular measure, a question arises whether the particular measure be within the enumerated authorities vested in Congress. If it be, the money requisite for it may be applied to it; if it be not, no such application can be made. – James Madison
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions. – James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792 Madison 1865, I, page 546)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. – Bill of Rights – 10th Amendment
“But with respect to future debt; would it not be wise and just for that nation to declare in the constitution they are forming that neither the legislature, nor the nation itself can validly contract more debt, than they may pay within their own age, or within the term of 19 years.” –Thomas Jefferson
With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.
- James Madison
Yakko77 on April 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Aren’t conservative populists simply Huckabites?
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM
A question for you then? Do you think GB and his buddy here are causing an increased propensity for violence?
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 6:17 PM
We may or may not be. To speak rashly would be foolishness, to pretend that It can’t happen here would be suicidal. Let us then agree to pray for a peaceful resolution, to move with slow reasoned determination towards a peaceful outcome. But do not forget where your guns and ammo are securely stored though you pray to god they are never needed…
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Democracy is a device that ensures we will be governed no better than we deserve. – George Bernard Shaw
Daemonocracy on April 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Exactly!
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Once again, it’s EXACTLY this attitude why McCain (even if he wasn’t your first choice) lost to Obama. Voters like yourself just couldn’t get behind the Mav, while Obama had throngs pushing him up to the White House.
Obviously you’re not a Palin-iac (I’m not either) so I won’t accuse you of McCain-bashing to prop up the ‘Cuda.
I don’t blame the Dems…the blame goes right to the ultra-cons of the GOP.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Yes I am.
T J Green on April 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM
The leftie-loos are having a field day with these “Tea Parties”. Rachel Maddow (for one):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/30145811#30145811
Not that I’m really ever concerned with what the other side of the aisle is doing, but crud like this could hamper the affects.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Dude, I held my nose and voted McCain/Palin in the general so hold your fire. You are shooting at the wrong guy.
Now that the general is over, lets look at our mistakes. The mistakes were made in the republican primary. We let the religious right (Huckabite) destroy our primary. Palintologists will do the same.
The Wall on April 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I’ll admit that we (the GOP) didn’t run the best candidate or try our hardest if they’ll admit they still stole the election. Check the 2008 County Map. This is a red country. The only surprise that should come out of the 2008 election is that it took the Dims 8 years to figure out how to win.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I wouldn’t necessarily equate the Religious Right with Huckabee. I would consider my parents part of the RR, and they turned their backs on the Huckster. Huckabee is his own branch of the GOP…
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:28 PM
You know……….
……… these little gatherings just might make the politicians in Washington sit up and take notice.
Seven Percent Solution on April 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Let them dismiss us and look down upon our righteous and justified grievances with contempt. If there’s any sanity in this nation left, they’re pay for it big in 2010 and 2012.
Yakko77 on April 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM
So, I think I might be part of the religious right. I honestly don’t know. I prefer to vote along socially conservative lines but will, in the end, vote fiscal conservative over everything else. McCain is neither – he’s a Liberal and I backed him anyway.
We lost because of fraud and an unwillingness on the part of many to compromise. My opinion, the lesser of two evils is greater than the greater of the two.
But 2008 is over – history. Let’s move on. Find the candidates we want and get the to run. And then – dare I say it – term limits!
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Don’t you see, tho? Obamites didn’t “hold their nose” to vote for him. And when undecideds and independents looked at both candidates, and saw how so many GOP voters “held their nose”, while the Obama voters couldn’t wait to get in that booth, well…we all know what happened.
The GOP is in bigger trouble than many realize. Something tell me in the next couple years, the party will be headed to it’s own internal civil war.
And that’s not good. Like Lincoln preserved the Union, I can only hope Steele can preserve the party.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Yes! That’s my second favorite map ever! The 2008 County Map is my first.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Yes, let us throw around blame at ourselves like true sore losers. That will surely help us in 2010 and 2012. Blame the RINOs, blame the Evangelicals, blame the NeoCons, blame the “UltraCons” (whoever they are), blame McCain, blame Palin.
Yes we can blame ourselves as a collective, but splintering us into different groups to direct the blame back and forth accomplishes nothing and is destructive.
You criticize certain people for not getting behind McCain, yet you take a divisive stand yourself. The thing is, Republicans did unite behind McCain, Conservatives did ultimately back him with their vote, but he lost the swing votes for a variety of reasons. One thing is for sure, had he actually voted against the bailouts, he could have separated himself from Obama and stood out more than he did. Since he did not, and people blamed the party in power for the financial crisis, he lost. Obama ran very close to McCains platform (talked up tax cuts, national defense, even oil drilling) and McCain was a victim of his own successes. The surge put Iraq out of peoples minds and Campaign Finance Reform (well, only a success in McCains mind) ironically cripples McCains Presidential bid.
The only people Republicans can blame are themselves. Moderates and Conservatives both, for straying from their core values of small and fiscally sound government.
Daemonocracy on April 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Wow. And we’re back to agreeing again. See, even a hardcore conservative like me can see the value of using logic.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM
You know what this whole situation reminds me of?
Perot and the Reform party…
People made fun of that movment as well… were dismissive.. called it names…
And yet, when NEITHER major party was even talking about balancing the budget… it put that on their agenda, in order to get rid of the threat…
Result, the only balanced budgets we’ve had in a long time…
And once that threat was gone? Washington went back to spending our kids money…
Romeo13 on April 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Dude. What’s up with North Dakota?
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM
It won’t be spring in North Dakota until June.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM
They are teh ghey…..!
Seven Percent Solution on April 11, 2009 at 6:42 PM
I am a social, traditional, fiscal, foreign policy hawk conservative. I’m as pretty hard core as they come. Logic is what separates Conservatism from Liberalism. Objectivity over Idealism.
When a man, a business corporation or an entire society is approaching bankruptcy, there are two courses that those involved can follow: they can evade the reality of their situation and act on a frantic, blind, range-of-the-moment expediency-not daring to look ahead, wishing no one would name the truth, yet desperately hoping that something will save them somehow-or they can identify the situation, check their premises, discover their hidden assets and start rebuilding. – Ayn Rand
Daemonocracy on April 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Whoa. You guys realllly don’t take losing very gracefully.
crr6 on April 11, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Whoa. You’re reading me all wrong. Yes…I blame the “ultra-cons” (the far-right) for McCain’s loss. So many lies and misinformation came out, not from the Dem’s, but from McCain’s own party. Immigration reform, for one.
And I don’t blame Palin. But those same far-righter’s gave her so much more “kudos” and attention while calling McCain names like “McShamnesty” and “McLiberal”.
I’m not trying to tear the GOP up…I just see it happening. And yes…it would be a disaster.
Us Republicans HAVE to come to agreement on many major issues. And all of us are going to have to do some “give and take”.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 6:45 PM
We need a reformation, not a revolution.
SteveMG on April 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Reformation within the US is IMPOSSIBLE without reforming the education system (K-Grad school) and the media.
Neither will happen.
Therefor, it is revolution or subjugation.
The choice is ours.
If someone can make a convincing case for choice #3, I’m all ears.
artist on April 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM
What exactly is your definition of far right?
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Technically we need both revolution and reform. A corrupt revolution with no reform will achieve nothing – look at the “great” French Revolution or more recently O’s revolution to fascism…
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:49 PM
We are not a democracy. We are a Republic. The distinction is not minor. I wish the fellow who does these videos had a better understanding of our Constitutional system. In the last video, he advocated abolishing the electoral college, an integral part of the system designed by our founders. I’m all for getting people fired up, but people discussing our system of government ought to have a solid understanding of it.
DrMagnolias on April 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Hmm…good question.
I’d say they would include the Evangelicals (and/or those who use the bible to legislate) but mostly made up of people who, for good, bad, or indifferent reasons do not budge on any platform…especially in the social realm.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM
I am not a republican, I am a Christian Conservative, if the republican party cannot tolerate my views and ideologies, then it can go to hell. How’s that for give and take…
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM
How many slaves did Thomas Paine own?
/typcial liberal distraction
SouthernGent on April 11, 2009 at 6:53 PM
This “infighting” and attacking within “the right”
SICKENS ME.
“Divide and Conquer” anyone?!?
To hell with ANYONE (incl. AP) who further promotes this cr*p
in these times, when we ALL must unite to counter – for lack of better words (as I am under the grips of flu…) – the united forces of socialism.
Lockstein13 on April 11, 2009 at 6:55 PM
That’s an interesting definition. You have some points, but there are many religious groups that are far from American Right Wing. Further, in some ways, the Evangelical movement did empower the neo-liberal movement – they did leave/join the non-mainstream established churches. I think we should be careful not to send all SoCons down the river. There are different flavors.
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Thus including everyone who has thought long and hard on the issues and come to their conclusion.
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Hence, the Tea Parties – a way for us to find the extensive common ground that unites us.
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Reform can be achieved through or after revolution.
So yes, they are or must be intrinsically tied.
artist on April 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM
I gotta run to the “long Mass” myself in a minute (three hours tonight)…Catholic, you know…
I am not a republican, I am a Christian Conservative, if the republican party cannot tolerate my views and ideologies, then it can go to hell. How’s that for give and take…
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM
dagnabbit….hold on for the rest…
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM
It is important to understand the flaw to this logic. McCain was never the alternative. If we all voted for McCain to prevent an Obama presidency, the only message this would have sent the republican party and Washington politicians was that they could give us a 1/2 measure false conservative.
Remember McCain was going to give us amnesty for illegals whether we wanted it or not. That is how he got his name Maverick, by doing things that were unpopular and did not sit well with his contiuency. Is that really the message to send to Washington? Instead of 4 or 8 years of Obama, you would instead have 24 years of Bush/Mcain style big government liberalism. The fact that we got saddled with 8 years of it on top of 8 years of Clintonista populism truly sucked, another 16 would have been unbearable. At least now we stand a chance of finally getting rid of the populists in the conservative movement. Death to the Huckabeans and the McCainanites!
paulsur on April 11, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Our country and its laws were based on concepts found in the Bible. This goes a long way toward explaining the freedom and prosperity we’ve enjoyed as a nation.
SheofTwoMinds on April 11, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Let’s try this again *sigh*
*waves to dorian* Haven’t chatted at ya in a while…But see? I’m religious too. I just don’t let my religious beliefs mix in with unbending political philosophy.
Church and State should be kept as far away from each other as possible.
Thing is, I don’t want to send anyone in the GOP “down the river”…Much like many conservatives want to “purge the RINO’s”. If you’re not a far-righter, you’re called a RINO. And that’s gotta stop.
I’m not saying anyone needs to do a “180″ on any stances…but if we all, as Republicans, want to further our cause over the liberal Democratic platform, we’re going to have to bend a little. Me, you, and everyone in the party, and come to cohesion.
Or we’ll never see the majority in Congress, much less the White House, anytime soon.
Gotta run.
JetBoy on April 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
The real problem with our system is one the Founders saw, and wrote about.
They did not want a Democracy. Democracy has a fatal flaw, called human nature.
Eventualy, the masses in the Electorate will elect whoever bribes them the most… until you have a situation where a majority of the electorate do not help to support the Government.
They had two ideas to combat that…
1. Taxes: “direct taxes are required to be apportioned among the states ” which stopped an income tax, and the “progresive” tax system where you could decide who paid what taxes…. changed by the 16 amendment…
2. Vote: Not everyone had the Vote… they wanted the successful to vote… so the poor could not vote themselves largess from the public trust.
Once those two saftey features were done away with… this situation we now find ourselves in was ineveitable.
To get back? Get rid of Income tax, and make a National Sales Tax….
or…
No Representation without Taxation… ie… if you do not pay a net income tax, you don’t get to vote…
Both Radical, but the only way I see to stop our progress down the road to more and more debt, as Politicians buy votes from the public treasury.
Romeo13 on April 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM
It’s all baby and bath water, dorien? How about we rebuild the party to respect and accept us all? Crap – I sound like a Lib. But you get my meaning. If we’re all united within the fiscal conservative viewpoint, the small government viewpoint, isn’t that enough?
IMO, if we can just put a leash on the Feds and get back to state sovereignty, we can make our states into what we want – and then choose where to live, where to raise our kids, where to make and spend our money. If the Feds turn all states into Liberal strongholds, all is lost. If they make the Fed the all powerful, were sunk. It’s debauchery everywhere. We need a big picture/small picture approach. But we need a starting point – fiscal responsibility and small government.
Yes? No?
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Hey Allah…
Forget about using Wikipedia as a source. Academically, it’s garbage, it’s the internet equivalent of using MSNBC as a source.
The do-it-yourself nature of the entries, ensure that people with an axe to grind bend the “facts” to their whim.
13year olds who don’t know any better might try to use it to prove a point, but anyone older than that just exposes their gullibility and laziness.
CrazyGene on April 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Well, your definition of Right-Winger was exclusively for religious conservatives so I must disagree with you. An American Right Winger shares some (perhaps not all of the following values):
1) Strong families
2) Individualism
3) Fiscal Conservatism
4) Preserving True American History
5) Desire to promote a high quality of life.
I would say that 2) and 3) are a very important principles that all Right Wingers should have. I would then go on to call someone such as McCain, Spector et al, and even Bush Rinos.
They definitely don’t fully embrace 3).
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Yes, I know what I hope and pray for as the future of this country. It’s not exactly the same as someone like Jetboy, but if he can tolerate my ideological views, then I can tolerate his. Tolerate does not mean embrace or even share, it means listen with respect even when you disagree. It means being willing to have a civil discussion without resorting to vile attacks because you dont like what you are hearing.
Because of my Christian faith I will never support gay marriage, but I do accept that gay people are human beings with needs and rights. I am willing to compromise on the issue to the extent of civil unions that provide 100% of the legal benefits to homosexual couples that heterosexual couples currently enjoy.
I believe you are right gopmom, if we can come together and meet people face to face, we can begin to see them as fellow human beings, and when we can see them as fellow human being of significant value, we can find compromises to our otherwise dividing issues. Let the Teas Parties begin…
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Taxdayteaparty.com
Socmodfiscon on April 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
No, you just never confess to your priest that you’re a practicing homosexual and that your fondest dream is to be “married” to your boyfriend in the Catholic Church.
Jenfidel on April 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Please name ONE actual Conservative that’s been nominated for President since Reagan left office. Better yet, name a DOZEN actual Conservatives in Congress that have consistently held a conservative stance (if you name Ron Paul I’m going to strangle you!)
You might not like to admit it but actual CONSERVATIVES haven’t gotten the U.S. into the mess we’re in right now, Leftists and RINOs have.
nelsonknows on April 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Shoot, were = we’re.
OK, I’m pooped and it’s family movie night. This was fun – smartest people ever on this site.
Everyone have a Blessed Easter!
And keep your paws of your kids’ baskets – candy goes on sale at Target tomorrow!
gopmom on April 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Hey, thanks!
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Romeo, wherefore art thou…on the ballot? You’d have my vote.
You’re absolutely right–universal suffrage has been a disaster. “When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul” didn’t become a cliche for nothing. I would go further and say that in addition to paying income tax, one must be a property owner to vote. Of course, ACORN would find parcels of land to divide into as small portions as possible, but government micromanagement, in the form of zoning restrictions, would actually work in our favor for once–the parcels wouldn’t be one foot square. I see no better system than that set up by the likes of Washington, Jefferson, and Madison.
DrMagnolias on April 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
No, it’s not all It’s all baby and bath water. I do believe in compromise, I just cannot compromise with those who refuse to compromise.
No, it’s not enough, but it is enough for a start. If we are to save this great republic we must start somewhere and we must start soon.
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Christian Conservatives aren’t the “far right.”
The far right is represented by extremists like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul.
As for not budging on Social Conservatism, the more I’m told to “bend a little,” the more I’m inclined not to budge in the least.
I am Pro-Life and for the defense of Traditional Marriage.
Both of these things are worth standing and fighting for!
We have already “budged” too much on same sex “marriage” issue with the number of Conservatives (on this blog and in general) who are willing to accept homosexual civil unions which is a mistake.
Homosexual activists won’t be happy to stop at civil unions and aren’t already (witness California post Prop-8).
They won’t stop until they get the full “marriage” treatment.
Jenfidel on April 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM
I am with you on 2 and 3, but likely would not have the emphasis that many GOPers do 1,4 and 5. I do beleive in a strong family unit, and something that we have already list in this nation, strong communities. What exactly is #4? For me, if you have #2 then you achieve #5
paulsur on April 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM
This is what Adams envisioned when he wrote the Massachusetts Constitution (from which ours is largely copied). They expanded that to universal (male) suffrage, and Adams basically said, well if it will work anywhere, this is the place.
Pity the citizens stopped getting informed. (Probably because people warned them about populists like Paine. /unnecessary snark)
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 7:25 PM
I agree with you. 1) implies 5) Also Individualism influences a lot on the list. 4) would be remembering the Constitution instead of believing in a living/breathing one. Further, I think it is important for us to know our history and how we are a country quite different from others (some would call this American Exceptionalism). No, I don’t want to be a pompous American; however, we should realize that we are quite different from many of our “peers.”
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Or they trusted the government to properly educate their children.
DrMagnolias on April 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Good to hear from you…
Hmmm, I prefer the constitutional approach to that issue. As in the First Amendment… Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Come, let us reason together… Let us find common ground upon which we can agree, let us save this great republic we were given.
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM
*Shudder*
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM
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Both will never fly… We may eventually have a national sales tax though (carbon tax on pretty much everything sound familiar?).
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And if anything the Dems are attempting to give the vote to more groups (illegals, felons, I expect the U.N. to have a block of votes here next).
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RalphyBoy on April 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Check it out – actually not all the parties fit on one map, there are 3 separate maps. Go to the bottom of the page to see pages 2 & 3 of the maps. Map #2 is LOADED!!!!!!!!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112875499027114938790.0004647d9f61bab744fd4&ll=38.272689,-96.679687&spn=27.495109,57.128906&z=4&source=embed
Colorado Anne on April 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Conservative populists is an oxymoron.
hillbillyjim on April 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
We are reaching a crossroads, my only concern is the disappointment of those who’s blood, sweat, and tears are recompensed by another Republican betrayal at the national level.
I pray and hope that all the work that individuals are putting into this pays off. My gut tells me something else. I hope you all are prepared to consider something other than the Republican bland when the time for real choice presents itself. I don’t trust the GOP, they simply take us to the same place the Dems do. Just look at the GIVE ACT, with it’s allowance for future conscription and taking away of rights while serving. A lot of Republicans voted for it.
The closer we get to whatever it is that is coming the more will realize that both parties have been completely infiltrated by an elite that sees you as cattle. And yes, they do conspire your enslavement. All you have to do is just test their fruits.
True_King on April 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Haha. Thank you. I wanted to write that!
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I have to agree with you here. If Obama were like Clinton, or Democrat Presidents before him, I wouldn’t resist so much. It would be a matter of accepting his new policies and defeating him and them in the next election.
But Obama is different. Obama is qualitatively different from Democrat Presidents before him. Obama, unlike those before him, is a radical. He doesn’t plan to just ‘change’ this country. He plans transform it, to transform it into the antithesis of its former self.
What’s more, Obama plans to change this country in such a way that it’s IRREVERSIBLE, so that we can never be returned to America as we know it, no matter how many Republicans might be elected in the future. His plan is to turn us into a Euro-socialist state, and surrender much our sovereignty to the UN. This is not the hope-and-change the overwhelming majority of Americans who voted for him voted for. It’s in many ways the opposite. He’s assaulting our Constitutional values and using thuggery to make it happen. I’m beginning to think that by 2010, it will be too late. We need to decide where to draw the line.
petefrt on April 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Yeah, true. Everyone knows it takes a village.
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Maybe he wasn’t at the time, but Carter is pretty far off this planet…
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
For some, yes, for others, no. Let us not judge all gays according to the actions of some gays.
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Dudette. I’m impressed with the volume.
Spirit of 1776 on April 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Plus FDR and Wilson – scary people
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Never said they were realistic… but we are seeing the fruits of the changes from how the Founders set up our Government…
Isn’t it interesting that Income Tax, the change in how we picked Senators, Sufferage… all happened in the early 1900s… ie in a very short timespan?
A timespan which had some very strange beliefs? Like they WANTED Socialism… and believed in Eugenics…
Romeo13 on April 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Or Sidwell Friends if your parents earned enough money from their community organizing…
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I should have prefaced that with: In the present circumstance of politics,
hillbillyjim on April 11, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Not even close. Pat, I don’t know about, but Ron Paul is far more a libertarian. If Paul’s far right, then so is Beck.
Here’s Beck: GLENN: “I mean, you know, we just — I just happen to disagree with you, but I respect you, sir, for your opinion. I have said this, you know, behind your back. So let me say it to your face. I think you are the closest we have running to a founding father. You seem to be the only guy who has actually read the federalist papers. So I appreciate your efforts, sir.”
Glenn Beck, far right extremist. :)
True_King on April 11, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Hmmmm….. Must be time for a Samuel Adams…
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:39 PM
:)
Paulnuts!!!
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM
How dare that Glen Beck admire the founding fathers… He must be a racist…. /s
doriangrey on April 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Finally, some Common Sense.
hillbillyjim on April 11, 2009 at 7:41 PM
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Yeah… I figured that, but I was pointing out that we are actually pointed 180 degrees from that vision. Here’s to hoping that the TEA Parties and some other future actions can halt this tax, and more taxes evolution of our great country.
RalphyBoy on April 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM
I see the posters above making list of what actual Conservatism is, NOWHERE did I see strict rule and enforcement of the Constitution. THAT really makes me shake my head and wonder is this country even WORTH saving.
The preservation of the Constitution and our RIGHTS shouldn’t be a left-wing/right-wing issue, it’s an AMERICAN issue and if folks don’t start getting this, then you are just wasting your time.
nelsonknows on April 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM
I like Beck, but he’s not that smart (even he will admit it himself) and he often shows enthusiasm or support for things that are either outright wrong or at the least, not really right.
One of those things would have to be his reluctance to condemn Ron Paul for his more outrageous and un-American views (of which he has plenty) and for providing a forum for Paul.
Jenfidel on April 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM
I agree, Carter is even farther off this planet now than he was as Prez. As Prez, he was more inept than ideological.
IMO, the nearest to Obama was FDR and LBJ. But as between the scope of their change and the scope of Obama’s, there are light years of difference. Obama is out to restructure the national economy and subjugate us to the UN througth the treaty power.
To those of us who still revere the America of our Founding Fathers, what it is, is treason by ‘lawful’ means.
petefrt on April 11, 2009 at 7:48 PM
“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
nelsonknows on April 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Glen Beck needs to distance himself as far as he can get from that idiot, Ron Paul.
nelsonknows on April 11, 2009 at 7:50 PM
I think this guy is great …
No matter what you say, Glen Beck has got the ball rolling faster than anyone else. Most Conservatives are smart enough to sift fact and fiction …
tarpon on April 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM
We already have a democracy so what are we protesting against? The people we voted for? Are you all stupid?
The Wall on April 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Cindy Munford on April 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Sorry, that was under my 4). Scroll down. You’re right. Should have been more clear.
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Glenn Beck needs to distance himself from Ron Paul even for the simple fact that Ron Paul know practically NOTHING of American History and has made as many unfactual statements as Joe Biden.
nelsonknows on April 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Actually, Glenn Beck’s radio show is the #3 most listened to radio show in the nation, right behind Rush & Hannity.
Glenn Beck is my main man.
Colorado Anne on April 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Beck can take care of himself…
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Or maybe to us Conservatives, preservation of our Constitution just goes without saying? Of course I am strongly against the whole “living document” mindset and I assume most conservatives are of like mind. It is one of the core values we all agree on alongside small government and strong defense.
Daemonocracy on April 11, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Hmmmmmmm. Must be time for a Michelob Ultra Cactus Lime!
Colorado Anne on April 11, 2009 at 7:57 PM
This is the thing to remember. We have not been betrayed by democrats. Obama has yet to do a single thing that any of us did not see coming. But who thought that Kay “bailout” Hutchinson would have turned on her own constiuency when it came to illegals aliens? For that matter who thought John Cornyn would do the same? These were supposed to be true conservatives. But they are beholden to the corporations that want the cheap labor in this country, and neither of them, or so many other republicans give a damn about you and I. I mention these two specifically becuase they are my senators, but each of you has representaives in your state that have betrayed us all jsut like these two treasonous cowards.
They didnt read that bill, becuase they didnt need to, all they needed to do was approve it, and give our tax dollars to those companies that paid for their campaigns. They just don’t care what you and I think. They don’t give a damn about our tea parties. Sure they will give them lip service, becuase the whole game is about keeping the power in the same two parties that it has always been in. As long as you beleive in the two party system you will always be a sheep and you will never know true freedom.
paulsur on April 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Indeed he has, and I’m in favor of it.
The left has stolen the moral high ground from us since Reagan. Now Beck and Rush are helping us regain it. After we regain the moral high ground, we start winning elections again.
petefrt on April 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM
+1
Upstater85 on April 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Most of us have the maturity to take what’s good and jettison what’s bad. So, don’t you worry your pretty little head over it, AP. Stick to your chubby chasing while the grownups decide what is best for our country.
Blake on April 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM
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