Pakistan: Britain stopped us from vetting student-visa applicants

posted at 10:43 am on April 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

As the UK scrambled to find a bomb factory run by a cell of radical Islamist terrorists, people wondered how the 12 identified conspirators managed to get into the country in the first place. British authorities first pointed the finger at Pakistan, but Islamabad rejected that notion. Their representative in London accused British authorities of refusing to cooperate on background checks for the visas:

Earlier the High Commissioner had said that Britain was not doing enough. “It is at your end you have to do something more,” Wajid Shamsul Hasan said. Asked if there was a problem with the British system for student visas, he replied: “Yes. If they allow us to make inquiries first, if they ask us to scrutinise those people who are seeking visas we can help them. But the thing is they have their own regime — the regime that vets these people.”

Mr Woolas rejected the claim. “It’s naive to think that we don’t check. We do work very closely with the Pakistan authorities, indeed we’ve been criticised for doing so,” he told The World at One on BBC Radio 4.

The exposure of the plot to attack the UK forced the resignation of Britain’s highest-ranking counterterrorism official:

A desperate search was under way last night for the terrorist bomb factory from which a suspected al-Qaeda cell planned to launch a devastating attack in Manchester.

Hours after Britain’s most senior counter-terrorism officer resigned in disgrace, police operations were concentrating on a rundown block of flats east of Liverpool city centre. …

A dozen men are being questioned after raids that had to be rushed forward after Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick, the country’s most senior anti-terrorism officer, inadvertently disclosed details of the police plans.

Mr Quick resigned as head of Special Operations at Scotland Yard yesterday morning, admitting that his bungle “could have compromised a major counter-terrorism operation”.

The potential threat from the immigrants should have been considered. Ten of the 12 come from Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province, a hotbed of radical activity.  From the two stories, it seems as though Pakistani and British controls worked at cross-purposes, and AQ has discovered an easy way to get people into Britain while avoiding exposure through background checks.  The big question now facing British security is how many more sleepers AQ may gave gotten into their country.

The Times of London raises an interesting point.  Previously, terrorist groups concentrated on raising home-grown assets for their plans.  The London bombings in 2005 were not perpetrated by recently-arrived immigrants, but by three British natural-born citizens and one native of Jamaica.  The concern afterwards was that AQ would raise armies of terrorists within Western nations, which would bypass most counter-terrorism efforts.  This plot may indicate that AQ has not had much success in the past few years, or feels that infiltration still gives them a better chance.

Either way, this shows that AQ remains dangerous, and that it doesn’t take more than a few terrorists to create a great deal of havoc.  The UK managed to avoid an attack at the moment, but they may have more on the way.

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have they found the bombs yet?

how about a moratorium on immigration for 1 year (maybe more) while UK sifts thru who they already have. and this would be a good idea for us too.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Scramble to find the Easter bomb factory

Of course, this isn’t a Holy War we are fighting. I’m sure the choice of dates was purely coincidental./

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM

What? No Obamateurism today?

flipflop on April 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM

people wondered how the 12 identified conspirators managed to get into the country in the first place.

The Foreign Office was working overtime to make sure that Geert Wilders didn’t endanger Britain by coming in and talking about muslim teachings that instruct people to infiltrate and wreak terror on the infidel.

In related news, others in the British government were too busy moving korans to the top shelves of the libraries and bookstores and relabeling all stories that included “islamic terrorism” to “anti-islamic activities”. It’s that little stuff that takes a lot of time …

progressoverpeace on April 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM

the obamateurism of the day is that the White House is “debating” for the fourth day how to deal with the 4 pirates.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:54 AM

The number of Pakistanis given visas to study in Britain has more than doubled in the past seven years. In 2001, 4,860 visas were issued to Pakistanis wanting to study in Britain, a figure that rose to 10,600 in 2007.

Even if only one percent of them are jihadists, that’s enough to cause a lot of chaos.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 10:55 AM

i’m going outside for yard work. its the only thing that keeps me sane during a bambi administration.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:55 AM

progressoverpeace on April 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM

+1

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 10:56 AM

the obamateurism of the day is that the White House is “debating” for the fourth day how to deal with the 4 pirates.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:54 AM

It’s unreal. The captain already tried to bail out, demonstrating that he expected that our military would have been watching the boat and sunk it at that opportunity … now gone.

But, the idiot messiah wants a weak, ineffectual US, along with 52% of Americans, and that’s what they are getting, in spades.

This does not bode well for our military, who are going to be left hanging in the wind in other operations.

progressoverpeace on April 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Is it time to mount an offshore contingency operation against these man caused disasters?

tarpon on April 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Hours after Britain’s most senior counter-terrorism officer resigned in disgrace, police operations were concentrating on a rundown block of flats east of Liverpool city centre. …

Wait… didn’t he resign because he was photographed coming out of his car with top secret papers out in the open?

Skywise on April 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Between 2002 and 2006 their emphasis was on training young Britons. But if these plot allegations are proven, they suggest that planners are now exporting operatives here.

Think outside the box. Perhaps they are doing both.

Geez…

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

This has Jacqui Smith written all over it. Idiotic leftist bint.

Maybe if she was doing her f^%ing job and not stealing money from the British taxpayers and making apologies for her husband watching pron at the taxpayers expense…

Aaargh.

PimFortuynsGhost on April 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Either way, this shows that AQ remains dangerous, and that it doesn’t take more than a few terrorists to create a great deal of havoc. The UK managed to avoid an attack at the moment, but they may have more on the way.

The question is, (if it only takes a few), how strong are the U.S. policies that could prevent another disaster? Is our homeland security asleep at the switch by Obama’s kum-ba-ya world appeasement that includes suspect countries/regions?

Rovin on April 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Revealed: Terror suspects in ‘Easter bomb plot’ worked at Manchester airport

Members of the alleged Al Qaeda cell suspected of plotting a Bank Holiday terror atrocity worked for a firm based at Manchester Airport.

At least one drove vans for a cargo company which has access to sensitive locations.

A further two had passed security industry checks which enabled them to guard premises overnight…

Can the UK do anything right?

Loxodonta on April 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Liberals have taken over in Britain. They have bankrupt the economy and are now in the processs of causing death and destruction because of their lack of comprehension of reality. With all other members of the Europe Union positioning themselves right of center, Britain is the lone bastion of liberal lunacy.

volsense on April 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

With all other members of the Europe Union positioning themselves right of center, Britain is the lone bastion of liberal lunacy.

volsense on April 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I’m happy to see a movement right, but they still seem awfully dhimmi to me.

I hope you are correct.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Either way, this shows that AQ remains dangerous, and that it doesn’t take more than a few terrorists to create a great deal of havoc. The UK managed to avoid an attack at the moment, but they may have more on the way.

It is sad we have to keep stating the obvious.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM

“This incident shows the pirates are becoming more daring and violent,” Mwangura told Reuters by phone.

Duh. This is the very thing that can be expected from someone who is as submissive and clueless as President Pantywaist.

pearson on April 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Every sovereign nation has the ultimate Right to refuse entry to any person for any reason it deems necessary. [And yes, it can be carried to the extreme, but doing less can result in extremism of another, more lethal form. Recent history has proven this many times.]

Because of PC-ness, and perhaps even societal guilt, or the loud voices of the chattering classes, too many nations find that refusal of just one visa applicant can result in drawn out court battles, thus they most often perform the most perfunctory “investigation” of visa applicants, out of a desire to keep things “simple” or somehow “fair.” An Interpol check, or a host-nation national agency/police check, perhaps, and sometimes even less.

The UK is not alone in this haphazard practice.

United States please take note.

A sovereign nation can, should, must maintain its sovereign power and Right to refuse visa’s/entry to any person who desires to enter their borders. The risks of doing less than that are too awesome to ignore.

coldwarrior on April 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM

It seems the average American purchasing a gun has to go through a more rigorous background check than a Muslim immigrant from a terror-sponsoring regime.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Either way, this shows that AQ remains dangerous, and that it doesn’t take more than a few terrorists to create a great deal of havoc. The UK managed to avoid an attack at the moment, but they may have more on the way.
The question is, (if it only takes a few), how strong are the U.S. policies that could prevent another disaster? Is our homeland security asleep at the switch by Obama’s kum-ba-ya world appeasement that includes suspect countries/regions?

Rovin on April 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Well according to Atlas we are in much the same boat over here (pirate pun intended). Her story here.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/04/diversity-visas-and-religious-visas-.html#comments

Sometimes I feel like we are really screwed. Then I remember my history and understand that we have been beating back this hoard for over 1,000 years. I dont think it will be much longer before islam over plays it’s hand and wears out it’s welcome in the west. Even the left has it’s tipping point. Where or when that will be I dont know, but I feel like it will be sooner rather than later. This tide will turn and when that happens woe be to islam.

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM

The West has become one large Welcome Mat.

I hope you are right.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Aw come one this is the age of Obamapolicy didnt anyone hear on the news– even though they capture privately held property,kidnap American citizens and demand ransoms.Even after boarding these vessels with various armaments and weaponry,even after they threaten death to their captures if their demands are not met,even though they keep at least 3 governments at bay in international waters while amassing stolen ships to enact offensive/defensive manuevers– pirates are not terrorists…/sarc

canditaylor68 on April 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I feel for the Capt’s family. you notice there’s no one in his family that has said “pay the ransom!”. but i feel most for our sailors out there in the ocean. what must they be thinking?

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The Northwest Frontier of Pakistan, isn’t that where Obama the Columbia student went traveling with his drug dealer roommie in the early 1980s? I’m sure it was much different then.

eaglewingz08 on April 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

It seems the average American purchasing a gun has to go through a more rigorous background check than a Muslim immigrant from a terror-sponsoring regime.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Forget buying a gun…How about the average American just trying to go to work and do his job. I’m a local truck driver on the East Coast. I hold a Class A C.D.L. with a Haz-Mat endorsement. Every 4 years I am required to go to a screening center for the Dept. of Homeland Security and have my fingerprints taken and submit to an F.B.I. background check. Cost to me $80….As of Jan. 1 2009 I also had to go and get what is called a T.W.I.C. card– Transpertation Workers Identification Credentials–.Another figerprinting and background check….cost $132. This card is just to allow me to get onto a shipping port to make deliveries and pick-ups. I’m an American born and bred,loud and proud. Served in the Army and just trying to make a living….to say things like this make me sick is an understatement of epic proportions….

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

You cannot make any distinction in Islam between the religion, the culture, the law, the politics, the ideology or the government: in theory or in practice for one simple reason, Islam itself forbids it. So any distinctions we might wish upon Islam are in fact MOOT, and actually quite silly on our part. It is beyond me why nobody gets this. Islam is totalitarian to the nth degree.

Pole-Cat on April 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM

It’s fitting that it was a Brit,Arnold Toynbee, who said that Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.

madne0 on April 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The Foreign Office was working overtime to make sure that Geert Wilders didn’t endanger Britain by coming in and talking about muslim teachings that instruct people to infiltrate and wreak terror on the infidel.

In related news, others in the British government were too busy moving korans to the top shelves of the libraries and bookstores and relabeling all stories that included “islamic terrorism” to “anti-islamic activities”. It’s that little stuff that takes a lot of time …

progressoverpeace on April 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM

+100

JustTruth101 on April 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Paco,

Please don’t take this the wrong way. 9/11 caused this national precaution to swing far too stringent as many of our left-wing aclu “protectionist” will attest. While you have become a product of this overcompensation, (and I believe the truckers union or the govt should pick up your expenses), it is some how relief to know that when you arrive at a port, you are not some one that has an interest on doing damage or harm to anything. Of course, if you came to my front door and said. “I’m Paco, from HA”, I’d say “wipe yur feet on the welcome mat”.

Rov

Rovin on April 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The West has become one large Welcome Mat.

I hope you are right.

Disturb the Universe on April 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I have faith. Like I said we’ve been fighting them for 1,000 years. We’ve seen this enemy before and we’ve beaten him every time.
70 years ago Japanese pilots flew their aircraft into our ships. The idea of suicide to further a cause is not unique to islam. We fought it then and we will fight it now. The outcome will be the same.
We are slow to anger by nature. We want peace and love life. That being said,we are also born of the warrior spirit, we will fight when provoked. We may not saw off a bound mans head on T.V. but we will sure as hell firebomb your cities so we dont have to fight through them….

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Paco,

Please don’t take this the wrong way. 9/11 caused this national precaution to swing far too stringent as many of our left-wing aclu “protectionist” will attest. While you have become a product of this overcompensation, (and I believe the truckers union or the govt should pick up your expenses), it is some how relief to know that when you arrive at a port, you are not some one that has an interest on doing damage or harm to anything. Of course, if you came to my front door and said. “I’m Paco, from HA”, I’d say “wipe yur feet on the welcome mat”.

Rov

Rovin on April 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM

LOL well thank you. I completly understand why they do it. I’m not railing against the cards or background checks. My beef is with the story at Atlas about how we are relaxing our visa policy yet making me jump through hoops to feed my family…lets be consistent…thats all I ask.

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM

We may not saw off a bound mans head on T.V. but we will sure as hell firebomb your cities so we dont have to fight through them….

Paco on April 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Problem one is that the enemy’s cities are our cities. Fools have opened the doors and the enemy is now at home in the places we want to protect; and he is far more comfortable amongst us than he was in the place he came from.

Problem two is that the enemy will be glad if we firebomb his cities … indeed he will probably be ecstatically happy. For explanation, see problem one, above.

YiZhangZhe on April 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

We need to go old school with terrorists. Declare them enemies of hummanity (ala the pirates of the past) and summarily execute them (ala the pirates of the past) when caught.

In other words we need to grow a pair.

Mojave Mark on April 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM

how about a moratorium on immigration for 1 year (maybe more) while UK sifts thru who they already have. and this would be a good idea for us too.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Britain could grow a spine by just cancelling Pakistani Islamic student (or, gasp, all Pakistani Islamic) visas. If there is an outcry, then let them go back and fix their own country before they try to export more terrorists. Oh and if we were a nation of common sense, we might do the same.

Christian Conservative on April 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Consider this in the context of what the Obamaninsation will soon again be proposing, blanket amnesty citizenships with no backround checks.

Either way, this shows that AQ remains dangerous, and that it doesn’t take more than a few terrorists to create a great deal of havoc.

Indeed!

DannoJyd on April 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM

In other words we need to grow a pair.

Mojave Mark on April 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM

While I agree America does not, as proven in the last election.

DannoJyd on April 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM

i’m going outside for yard work. its the only thing that keeps me sane during a bambi administration.

kelley in virginia on April 11, 2009 at 10:55
AM

I am going to get on my motorcycle and go for a ride, before Obama makes a criminal out of me and outlaws motorcycles.

Johan Klaus on April 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM

British authorities first pointed the finger at Pakistan, but Islamabad rejected that notion. Their representative in London accused British authorities of refusing to cooperate on background checks for the visas

The Pakis have more cred than twisted leftists — the enemy within.

Feedie on April 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Enough already. Why won’t the western world just wall itself off from the Arab world–completely? No one in. Ever. Those already here who make the slightest whimper in support of the “home death cult” can immediately be sent “home”. I know, I know, this flies in the face of our supposedly free and open society, but something has to give. These backassward cultures are using our freedoms against us. Be done with this. Tell the world that no passport holder from an Arab regime will be allowed into a western one. 100 percent. Tell them sympathetically, hell empathetically–that we regret this action, but the behavior of their co-religionists make it impossible to compromise. Tell them to check back again after THEY’VE successfully handled this problem themselves.

AttilaTheHun on April 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM

I have to wonder just how lucky Britain can continue to be. The attacks of the last few years haven’t succeeded because of various failings in the terrorists’ manufacturing processes, not because the Brits are so clever, as you can see with this latest bungle. As with that old chestnut about the IRA, the Pakis only have to be lucky once….

Fortunata on April 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM

If Zero gets his way, Turkey will join the EU and serve as a gateway for millions of Muslims to further burden an already dying Europe. It’s quite the mess over there. So glad we have sane leadership here at home. Oh, wait…

Maquis on April 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Britain is chock-full of terrorists and happy to import more.

Yet another sign that Britain’s society is on its death bed.

Ares on April 12, 2009 at 4:23 AM