Fox News question of the day: Can Palin save her political career?
posted at 8:00 pm on April 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
At first I was surprised the Foxies would dare to ask, but then I remembered which network it was that went gaga over the anonymous sniping at her by Team Maverick.
Are we sure her career’s in trouble? Judging by the response to her appearance at that pro-life event in Indiana, the market for her has yet to soften:
Right to Life officials announced Thursday that, in addition to speaking to a sold-out crowd of 2,180 during the 6 p.m. banquet in The Centre’s Bill Brooks Exhibition Hall, Palin will appear before people paying $16 per ticket to watch a live broadcast feed in the building’s auditorium.
Right to Life officials had been working for weeks to confirm Palin’s appearance in the auditorium with theater seating, where 564 of an available 2,500 tickets have been sold.
Palin, the Republican Party’s 2008 nominee for vice president and a possible 2012 presidential candidate, will be accompanied by her husband, Todd Palin, and the couple’s baby son, Trig…
The organization announced the extra gathering when they learned Palin would join keynote speaker Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, at the sold-out banquet.
The peg for the FNC item is the ongoing freakification of her that I wrote about in the context of that Eminem video. The more tabloid nonsense washes in with the news tide, the more it erodes her credibility. (Latest chapter in the Levi/Palin feud: Sarahcuda insists that “over my dead body” would Johnston have been allowed to live with Bristol in their home.) Let’s try a patented Hot Air poll on this slow news night to see where you’re at on the question of career-saving. Option three is there mainly for our three lefty trolls. I’m more curious to see the split between options one and two. If you choose the latter, feel free to explain in the comments what you have in mind.










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Presumably this means you think Michelle is the true power behind the throne.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:31 AM
She’s being attacked whatever she does. And there’s only those anonymous rumors from cowards that says she lied.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:33 AM
Treacher’s condescending style is a mask for his inability to argue substantively.
Talk about losing a debate. I think Treacher would be the only person on the planet to lose a debate to Sarah Palin.
Keep up the condescending style…it really makes you sound intelligent. All Palintologists are fooled at least.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 3:34 AM
You keep taking encores, even though nobody’s applauding.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:36 AM
Even if todd was calling all the shots that still gives sarah executive experience? Well whoever is running the state has not done a good job–earmarks, budgets in the red, etc.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:37 AM
Treacher handles himself pretty well with everyone as does Gov. Palin.
The one who really had his a$s handed to him in a debate with Sarah Palin was Hair Plugs Biden!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 3:38 AM
- Spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office as Mayor of Wasilla
Alaska sees $1.25 billion budget gap on oil price drop (Reuters)
LMAO, not from the debt. She is no fiscal conservative.
She campaigned for the bridge then claimed to be it’s slayer and then kept the money, you are a hypocrite.
You combat deficits but cutting the size of government. She is economically clueless.
Please the Governor has no control over state spending? Give me a break.
The populist myth.
Mean Girl (Salon)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:39 AM
I hear people applauding.
After you post.
Loxodonta on April 12, 2009 at 3:40 AM
To ‘The Wall’ (Standing Ovation)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:41 AM
Dream…dream dream dream dream dreeaaaaam dream dream dream dream
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 3:41 AM
There’s few states that’s in the good shape Alaska is.
And she has reduced earmarks.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:42 AM
I’m afraid you don’t raise as much of a ruckus as you imagine, especially with your arms and legs cut off like that.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:44 AM
The Evidence the Palintologists are in Denial of…
82% believed Sarah Palin caused John McCain to lose the election (CNN)
81% of independent voters said they were less likely to vote for McCain because of Palin (Los Angeles Times / Bloomberg)
80% of women voters believe McCain picked Palin for Political Reasons not Qualifications (Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group)
79% of uncommitted voters did not believe Palin won the VP Debate (CBS News / Knowledge Networks)
75% of likely voters did not believe Palin has the right experience to be president (AP / GfK)
72% of registered independent voters were not very comfortable with Palin as President (FOX News / Opinion Dynamics)
72% of voters say that McCain’s choice of Palin did not make them inclined to vote Republican (San Francisco Chronicle)
70% of voters do not believe Sarah Palin is qualified to step in as President (FOX News / Edison/Mitofsky)
68% of voters were not very comfortable with Palin as President (FOX News / Opinion Dynamics)
66% of likely voters were not very comfortable with Palin as Vice President (FOX News / Opinion Dynamics)
61% of voters did not believe Sarah Palin is ready to serve as President (USA Today / Gallup)
60% of voters do not believe Palin is Qualified to be President if Necessary (CNN Exit Polls)
60% of women under 50 have an unfavorable opinion of Sarah Palin (The Pew Research Center)
60% of Americans do not think Sarah Palin has enough experience to be President (ABC News)
59% of voters said Sarah Palin is not qualified (New York Times / CBS News)
58% of Americans do not think Palin is qualified to assume the presidency (CNN / Opinion Research)
58% of likely women voters do not have a positive opinion of Palin (Time Magazine)
57% of likely voters said Palin does not have the personal qualities a president should have (CNN / Opinion Research)
56% of registered women voters trust Hillary Clinton more than Sarah Palin (Blum & Weprin Associates)
55% of registered voters did not believe Palin is qualified to step in as president (Newsweek / Princeton Survey Research Associates)
55% of voters said Sarah Palin is unqualified (NBC News / Wall Street Journal)
52% of women voters said Sarah Palin is not qualified (Quinnipiac University / Wall Street Journal)
51% of likely voters view Sarah Palin unfavorably (ABC News / Washington Post)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:44 AM
Could be, but this discussion is about sarah’s abilities/future…not Michelle’s.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:45 AM
You’ve had more farewell appearances than The Who. Without the entertainment value.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:45 AM
Alaska is a populist paradise of socialist government
Alaska Ranks 48 of 50 as one of The Worst States for Business (Forbes)
Alaska Ranks 45 of 50 States in Economic Freedom (Pacific Research Institute)
“Between 2004-2008 Alaska dropped 12 spots from 33 to 45 out of 50 states in Economic Freedom. It ranks 49 in welfare spending, 31 in Government Size and 30 in fiscal policy.” – Pacific Research Institute
As for earmarks…
Palin’s Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:46 AM
That must be why you sound so worried.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:47 AM
OK, now I’ll say it… your a bald-faced liar.
Please link to the post where I said your “opinion is invalid”, or admit that you are making it up as you go along.
Liar.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 3:47 AM
Cutandpastetech combines the intellectual heft of the spammer with the subtle fragrance of the hog farm.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:48 AM
Ditto that!
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:49 AM
My goodness, the moby kicks up a fuss when his methods are dissected, doesn’t he?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:49 AM
Well, that’s because you’re freethinkers, standing up to the cultists. Or something.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:50 AM
No, I don’t particularly want to tell you what I do for a living, because I don’t ask you to respect my argument for my profession. I ask you to respect it because I strive for objectivity… something you have made clear you simply don’t care about.
Not just a liar, a disingenuous liar.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 3:50 AM
At least it looks that you’ve got to know yourself.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:52 AM
Oh, so you didn’t really mean it when you said we should respect your argument because of your profession. You could have saved a lot of time and effort by leaving that part out, then.
I respect your right to make unfounded assertions due to a lack of any other options at this point. Now please wipe your upper lip, the glare is blinding.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:53 AM
I did NOT vote for Obama OR McOld / palin.
And yes, I’m worried about my country.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Are we to be treated to this Parade of the Palin-hating trolls all day and night for the next 1,379 days and throughout her 2 terms after she’s elected President in 2012?
Oh, goody.
I hope you losers get some new material because I’m completely bored with your lies and spin already!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 3:53 AM
Any other non sequiturs you want to share with the class?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:54 AM
Oh, no!
Is David Axlegrease back again?
Just tell him how “excellent” the Obama campaign was that he ran, because he has a very fragile ego!
(I tried to tell him that for $1 billion dollars, NObama didn’t win by that much, but he insisted that the campaign was masterful, as was the amount of money he raised, even if most of it came from Dubai, the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Marc Rich in Switzerland and the “homeless shelter” in Austin, Texas!)
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 3:57 AM
Troll (Definition) – The word assigned to anyone who disagrees with a Palintologist. It is used to smear them in hopes the administration will move to have them banned. This allows for the Palintologist movement to spread their propaganda unchallenged.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM
Neither did I, I voted Libertarian.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM
Just because it’s Easter doesn’t mean you’re a martyr. Sorry, hon.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:59 AM
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
What a laugh riot!
“JohnGalt”(*snort*) knows all there is to know about disingenuous lying!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 3:59 AM
True , if it wasn’t for pooptreck , no one would dare to speak up against Palin.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 4:00 AM
On conservative sites? There would be less. I have received quite a bit of email from fellow conservatives/libertarians who feel exactly how I do. They just don’t want to deal with the Palintologists.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:01 AM
You mean “Ron Earmark Paul”?
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 4:02 AM
FIFY!
Have a nice Easter!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:02 AM
I stayed quite too long last time thinking it was obviously going to be Rudy, Romney or Fred, then it was like a nightmare, Huckabee, McCain and Palin.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM
You asked why I do something, I responded because I’m a pro (which I am). Pros look at polls. Amateurs look at their own opinion.
Respect it or not. Once again, I don’t care. The reason I don’t care is you’ve made it quite clear that you are an amateur, incapable of professional political conduct or strategy, and thus unlikely to advance your chosen candidate’s chances, without the help of professionals.
And trust me as someone who has been there… pros don’t like to get involved with cults disguised as campaigns.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM
Are you this politically ignorant? Ron Paul is now a Republican and ran in the GOP primaries. The Libertarian candidate was Bob Barr.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:04 AM
As a woman and an Independent, yup, the above is SPOT ON!
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 4:05 AM
Any hope you had of me actually taking you seriously went out the window with your claim that the Obama campaign raised too much money.
LMAO still over that one.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:06 AM
And how many votes did he get?
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 4:06 AM
Yes, Poptech. They really are that politically ignorant.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:08 AM
“The lurkers support me in e-mail.” You’re cute.
Your complete lack of proof is less-than-compelling proof.
Whereas your opinion is determined by polls. You must be a professional amateur. Don’t be shy.
Clearly.
Argument from authority. An authority that you don’t have to delineate because HEY LOOK OVER THERE!
Still more argument from authority. The thing you keep saying you don’t do. I’ll wait while you look it up on Wikipedia.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:12 AM
Well, did or didn’t he have oodles left over after the election?
He did.
Case closed.
It was an obscene amount of money.
And you know what else?
You neither did run an “excellent” campaign nor did it have to be excellent to get him elected, because Ogabe had the only thing he needed to win already: He was (half) black.
That and only that is why he won the election…oh and he was a black DemocRat.
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:14 AM
It is exactly the same level of proof that you provided when you claimed that SP won the debate.
Now, if you would like to provide some objective proof that she won… oh, but I forgot… you can’t tell the difference between a political contest and a basketball game, can you/
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:19 AM
Still LMAO…
yeah, every winning campaign is really bummed that they had excess money…
LMAO
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:21 AM
Objective proof that Gov. Palin won the debate?
Uh..Helloooo!
Try the video tape of the debate itself–it’s fairly obvious that she wiped the floor with Plugs.
Just the memory of it makes me smile…
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:23 AM
And if there is any doubt about their political ignorance, check out the claims about the possibility of a campaign raising too much money.
Still LMAO.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:23 AM
I said I thought so. I never said you shouldn’t think so. Whereas you keep insisting anybody who disagrees with you is wrong, because you know what you’re talking about, because… and there’s where it all falls apart.
Don’t blame me because you don’t know what “objective” means and you’re not smart enough to know when you’re being mocked.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:25 AM
They should be ashamed, especially after NObama publicly promised that he’d restrict his campaign to public funding and then broke that promise.
How much of it came from George Soros, besides all the cash he got from our Arab “friends?”
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:25 AM
At the risk of being accused of being repetitive…
Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls
… the American people disagree with you.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM
Are you really sure you want to crow about such blatant corruption? Your authoritarianism is showing.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM
Seriously, calling yourself “JohnGalt23″ and insisting that people shouldn’t think for themselves is just bizarre.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:28 AM
Maybe only the first 22 JohnGalts actually read the book…
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:29 AM
Thats true, but they’ll pay the price for that.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 4:30 AM
For the life of me, I can’t discern why this is so vastly amusing to you.
I noticed that Hillary is still having to raise money to cover her campaign expenses.
Remember her?
You know? Ogabe’s rival that he cheated out of the nomination when he got the DNC to hand him the nomination, even though she got more votes than he did and should have staged a convention fight?
At least she got Madeleine Albright’s part as a consolation prize and now she can meet with Zerobama by the swing set!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:30 AM
Hahahahaha! Dream on about sarah becoming the POTUS! It will NEVER happen, and sarah should worry about getting re-elected as Gov. at the rate she’s going. She’s a colossal joke in every respect!
And you want new material, okay, here ya go:
You know about that serious pirate/hostage situation right? Well just imagine if McOld / palin had won the election and something happened to McOld leaving palin in charge (God help us all!. You actually believe this airhead could deal with a situation like that, especially after she showed how seriously GULLABLE she is in her conversation with “French President Nicholas Sarkozy”.
The pirates probably would be laughing their heads off throwing out jokes and pranks to sarah which would be WAY over her little airhead! In case you missed sarah’s phone conversation with “Pres Sarkozy”, I’ve posted the highlights below. DESPITE ALL THESE BLATANT AND OUTRAGEOUS CLUES, sarah NEVER CAUGHT ON that the call was a prank!!!
Could you imagine this airhead trying to deal with the pirates or N. Korea or Ahmadinejad???!!!
FAKE SARKOZY: “I just love killing those animals, mm mm, taking away life, that is so fun.”
GOV. PALIN: (blah, blah, blah…)
FAKE SARKOZY: “you know we have a lot in common because from my house I can see Belgium. That’s kind of less interesting than you.”
GOV. PALIN: (blah, blah, blah…)
FAKE SARKOZY: “You know my wife if is a singer and a former hot top model. And she’s so hot in bed, she even wrote a song for you.”
GOV. PALIN: Oh my goodness, I didn’t know that.
FAKE SARKOZY: “I must say, Gov. Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life — you know, Hustler’s “Nailin’ Palin”.
GOV. PALIN: “OH GOOD, THANK YOU.”
FAKE SARKOZY: “That was really edgy.”
GOV. PALIN: “Well good.
Read the entire transcript here:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/11/sarah_palin_pranked_by_sarkozy.html
Listen to the call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5V_-_aUZo&feature=related
Watch the interview with the comedians who pranked sarah to learn what sarah and Britney Spears have in common:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bg1ftYiGp8&feature=related
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 4:31 AM
The 53% of American voters who were stupid enough to fall for Ogabe’s bullsh!t were told by the MSM that Biden won the debate and like the good sheeple they are, they barfed back the “right” answer to pollsters.
That’s what the polls show and nothing more.
Polls, shmolls.
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:33 AM
Your feverish cackling and cut-and-pasting are a true sign of confidence.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:33 AM
You are incourageable.
Salon, ANOTHER left wing site. I went through this during the election on Politico and you are no different than those moonbats.
The taxpayer money on the office is a smear, she did NOTHING wrong.
The increase in Spending in Wasilla brought in a wave of new businesses, industries and Residents. The population exploded and the town is a much more vibrant community.
The State spending increases were already in place by the time she became governor. NO, she can’t just put a stop to it, especially when both the Democrats and Republicans in the legislature opposed her. Particularly the Republicans because she got a lot of their friends on that corrupt energy board fired for unethical behavior.
I am not a hypocrite one note partisan. I said she DID keep the Bridge money, but used it on other state infrastructure projects instead. She saw the National outcry and decided against using it on bridges. keep in mind that it was Ted Stevens’ project, not hers and that the people on those islands did in fact want that bridge and as Governor she was going to go along with Stevens’ plan. After the outcry, she put it to other uses. Since McCain was the man who coined the phrase “bridge to nowhere” he was in an awkward position after selecting her to be his VP. She did not market herself as the Slayer of the project, it was the McCain campaign. She went a long with it. Completely honest? No, but hardly anything I’m going to go crazy over like you, especially considering the inconsistancies the other Republican nominees as well the Democrats had. Spare me your double standards.
She instituted a hiring freeze in her state but can NOT cut the size of government completely on her own. Again, she needs the legislature to get on board, she is not a dictator. this is going to take a while but she is on the right side of the issue, she WANTS to decrease the size of government, you actually agree with her.
She is not economically clueless. She is using the bailout money not to spend frivolously but to combat the deficits and hold her state over until things get better. The states main revenue is OIL, there is NO sales and NO income tax. How else do you expect her to bring in revenue when she can’t cut the state government because of a hesitant legislature? What is YOUR solution Mr. economic genius?
And it is not a populist myth. You wish to smeat the woman but refuse to acknowledge the accomplishments she does have. She built up the town of Wasilla, and for the better. The people there thank her for it. She took on her own party and corruption, that is NOT a myth just because it does fit in well with your demonization of her.
I have no idea what your beef is with this woman but you are a rabid anti-Palin hater. You are just as bad if not worse than the left wing nuts digging through her dumpster. I would certainly not vote for her for President right now, but she is no where near the monster you try to make her out to be. Her values are sound and she is a woman of integrity, as far as politicians go. I recognize her faults and shortcomings but do not ignore her accomplishments. In 3 years time most of the idiocy you post against her will be irrelevant. Her resume will be perfectly adequate, Wasilla will be out of whatever debt it is in since it has grown so much and Alaska, if she gets her way with the legislature and things go smoothly she will have a smaller government and will retain their surplus. If not, she will fade away to obscurity.
Who is your candidate? Who is one you wish to protect so much by spewing such venom at Gov. Palin? I bet I could easily demonize whatever candidate it is you hold so dear to your heart. In fact, I know I can because every Republican candidate worth a damn, and every Democratic candidate had serious flaws that could be exploited. So who is your guy? Romney? Huckabee? Paul? Giuliani? All of them can be torn down by highlighting their weaknesses and ignoring their accomplishments, it’s easy to do it like that.
I am not a big advocate of Palin, but your one sided dishonest hatchet job on her can make anyone on the fence look like the staunchest of Palin advocates.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 4:33 AM
with a 64% approval rating, she’s looking pretty fine at the moment.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 4:34 AM
The last thing I will deal with on this blessed Easter morning is another evil lying Palin troll!
Suffice it to say that you’re full of excrement when you talk about Gov. Palin.
BTW, her popularity ratings in Alaska have been and remain quite high.
And I’d like to think that the McCain/Palin Administration would already have OK’ed a quick military strike and ended the Somali Islamist terrorist situation 2 days ago and freed the hostages!
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:37 AM
Let’s go to the videotape, sportsfans.
So, she kicked his ass, eh? Sounds like a statement of fact to me.
But then again, cultists have a problem telling the difference between opinion and fact, don’t they.
Right.
So, I’m still waiting for your method of determining, objectively, who wins a debate without referring to polls.
As I thought, I’ll be waiting until the Second Coming, won’t I?
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:40 AM
And dropping all the time…she was at 80+ before people started to see the REAL sarah during the election.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 4:41 AM
So because I didn’t explicitly say, “She kicked his ass in my opinion,” it’s not an opinion? You’ll just type any old words, don’t you?
And I’m still waiting for you to explain how something as fundementally subjective as a debate performance can be anything but, well, fundamentally subjective. You’re not asking who won the election; that’s determined by votes. Whereas you’re talking about who won a debate, and all you’ve got is assertion. You don’t really seem to have an opinion about it yourself, unless it’s handed down to you from someone else. You poor thing.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:47 AM
I find it amusing because it is an indication that you don’t know the first thing about campaigns. And I am serious. Not the first thing.
First rule about campaigns: You can never raise too much money.
Yeah, I remember her.
She’s the candidate who ran into problems because her campaign spent too much money, not because they raised too much money.
If you really want to understand fiscal conservatism, you ought to learn the difference between income and outlays. Seriously.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:47 AM
You need to work on your reading comprehension skills, Jenny. Re-read my post in which I said “If something happened to McOld”…you know like him becoming dead or incapacitated?! In that prank call from the Canadian comedians, sarah showed she is foolish and gullible and dumb beyond belief! She will NEVER be POTUS material. EVER!
Ta ta…have a lovely Easter.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 4:47 AM
Did she or did she not spend $50,000 to redecorate here office?
Thank you for proving my point.
ROFLMAO! Nothing like massive excuses, Palin did nothing wrong it was all the McCain campaign.
The Pathological Lie of Sarah Palin (Video)
Yes she is…
MODERATOR: “…do you support capping carbon emissions?”
PALIN: “I do. I do.”
Wait she has no control over ANY spending and cannot fire government employees? Really? The Governors job is not to bring in revenue it is to manage the government.
See your confusing objective criticism with personal attacks. All her “talking points” are based on myths. She is NOT the fiscal conservative people claim she is and she has no remote understanding of economics. Palin has no significant accomplishments just propaganda. That is my problem with her.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:47 AM
HAHAQAJA, “won’t you,” it should be, HAHAHATAFA!!!!
Fundamentally!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:48 AM
And dropping all the time…she was at 80+ before people started to see the REAL sarah during the election.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 4:41 AM
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 4:48 AM
Seriously, lowering your debate tactics to taking on someone’s handle is an indicator that you have nothing substantive to add.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 4:49 AM
Sarah Palin Can’t Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)
Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent (Video)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:49 AM
Sunuva, I quoted it wrong. I am sleep deprived. My response:
Your knowledge really is quite limited isn’t it? First you don’t realize the importance of the alfafa club and now you buy into the left wing smears about the “real palin”.
Her approval was over 80%, and then the complete and total onslaught of the MSM knocked it down 20 points. Even with all of the National media on her ass, she still escaped with a 60% approval and it has not dropped since then. It has held steady. She also has left wing nuts contantly filing frivolous ethics lawsuits against her to try and further tarnish her image but her polls still hold steady. She may be $500,000 in debt because of the lawsuits, but she is such a fundraising machine that she will have no problem setting up a legal defense fund.
She is doing just fine.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 4:50 AM
You keep saying “seriously,” and yet you’re not behaving like a serious person. Much like naming yourself “JohnGalt23″ while celebrating collectivism. It’s like an Andy Kaufman bit, right?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:50 AM
I’d be curious as to what your method of determining who wins a debate is, without referring to polls.
My method is who gave the most truthful and compelling answers to the questions.
I remember Gov. Palin doing just that, while I remember Plugs Biden talking about going to a restaurant in his hometown that had closed 20 years ago, yapping about visiting Home Depot and claiming that the U.S. and the French drove Hezbollah out of Lebanon (news to not only the Lebanese, but the rest of the planet because, of course, it didn’t happen).
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:50 AM
When Palin starts vetoing every spending increase, firing government employees, eliminating worthless government jobs and the size of government, REDUCING school spending ect… she may begin to be taken seriously. Until then she is nothing more than a Populist politicain supported by economic illiterate palintologists who are too dumb to know any better.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 4:52 AM
As far as surrenders go, I’ve seen less cluelessly pretentious.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:52 AM
At least she’s electable then. By being populist as you claim.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM
And they’re dumb dumb poopyheads and you don’t like them!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 4:54 AM
Treacher and I made the point which needs to be made, regardless of the issue under debate and I think Ayn Rand herself would agree.
You are the antithesis of the John Galt personnage created by Ayn Rand.
In fact, you personify the Looters.
Only a Looter would boast about the enormity of Ogabe’s campaign war chest.
The guy takes illegal and fraudulent money, gives it to groups like ACORN that commit voter fraud so he can get elected to bankrupt the country and turn it into a Marxist/Socialist welfare state.
Not a John Galt or a Dagney Taggart in sight, I guarantee.
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 4:56 AM
In other news, WinstonSmith84 wants us all to just stop worrying and obey authority.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:07 AM
I’ve given you the objective method of determining a winner. Look at the polls.
You don’t like it, because your idol, according to those polls, lost. Do you really want us to believe that if they said she won, you wouldn’t be shouting it from the rooftops? Please.
That method is good enough for every news organization in this country. Not just MSM, but FOX News routinely uses/reports these polls. Wall Street Journal does also.
Yet we are to ignore them, because Jim Treacher determines that debate performance is inherently subjective?
Right.
As I say, amateurs listen to the peanut gallery. Pros prefer the scientific method. And that’s not an appeal to authority… that is a statement of fact.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 5:12 AM
Ayn Rand would make a particularly pee poor campaign manager.
As would you and Treacher, apparently.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM
I didn’t say it was all McCain. She said what she said, but she did in fact NOT spend the money on the bridges and the McCain campaign did in fact talk up her rejection of the money before she gave her first speech. But since you like to twist and distort reality, I’m not surprised you ignored the rest of what I wrote, just as you ignore what Palin has done right.
In fact, you ignored pretty much everything I wrote and cherry picked certain words to distort my original meaning.
Did you miss the part where I said she instituted a hiring freeze? That is a control of spending and government growth right there. She also cut $238 million from the budget. But she needs Legilative approval before she starts restructuring the government. I listened to her April 10th news conference and it was all about what agreements her and the legislature can come to.
So the governors job is not to bring in revenue? Really? Then why do good governors cut property and business taxes? Could it be to attract business which in return…gives the state revenue?
How can a governor manage a government if the state has no revenue because the governor doesn’t think it is his/her job to help bring in revenue?
I disagree about the significant accomplishments, I have made painstakingly clear but you chose to ignore. She stood against her party when it came to the issue of ethics. That is an accomplishment in my book and shows character. It is a real issue, so real in fact that nearly every single attack the left unleashed on her was at her character. They still to this day are trying to bring down her character and credibility.
As for the Carbon caps, I strongly disagree with any of that crap.
The bridge to nowhere funds? My feelings are mixed. She did take the money and it was a porkload of money but Alaska is a different kind of state than most. They are still a frontier state, under development and rely heavily on federal money to exist. I don’t like pork going there, but inevitably a lot of it will have to go there. Those bridges were idiotic, but spending the money on overall infrastructure is not.
If you think her accomplishments are few, then fine. I can agree with that, but at least recognize her accomplishments, don’t post a bunch of links to stories that originated from left wing smear merchants and actually give the woman some time to prove herself. What is wrong with waiting until 2011 before you start hacking away at her? Most of your complaints are already old news when put everything into the context of 3 years from now. A lot can happen until then and that is my whole point before you started pasting all this crap I’ve seen before on the Politico during the election.
She’s got enough of the liberal nuts going after her, I’m sick of seeing Conservatives eat their own. I can’t stand it.
and you didn’t answer my question, who is your candidate of choice?
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 5:14 AM
This is interesting , how many politicians knew and know that hustler makes porn ?
Why should it be obvious to palin that the “documentary” was a porn movie.
Hustling and nailing palin sounds like everything the media tried to do.
It may make her “look” stupid , if you knew exactly what type of porn company hustler is .
If Playboy had done a documentary , would that been “an obvius clue”, cause they not only make porn.
Framing and narrative , goodbye democracy.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 5:15 AM
Yes, you’ve already established that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
I don’t agree with the majority opinion. Speaking as an individual. I wouldn’t expect you to understand. If “You don’t like it” is the height of your understanding, I’m don’t expect to raise it.
Collectivism is collectivist.
You shouldn’t ignore anything you choose not to ignore, collectivist.
It’s an appeal to authority every time you do it, even when you put in a disclaimer that you’re not really doing what you’re blatantly doing. “I’m not cold,” cried the snowman.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:21 AM
How would you know?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:23 AM
HAHAQAGAPA, “I don’t”!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:24 AM
Here is a little article on Palin’s efforts to cut spending, the struggles she faces with the legislature and confirmation of an existing surplus:
In other words, she’s trying to do it right.
http://www.juneaublogger.com/updates/?p=721
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 5:24 AM
Subjectively, I myself look for what I think the WaPo or WSJ headline the next day is. The “Democrats start wars”, or the “There is no Soviet domination of Poland” moment. In that debate, there really wasn’t one.
So, as a fallback, I look for who can stay on message without referring to the talking points they use on the stump. I think Biden clearly won using that criteria.
Now, I liked what Palin said better than what I heard Biden say. Of course I did… I’m a partisan. And what you, and particularly Treacher fail to understand, is that debates aren’t for giving partisans stroke material… that’s what the stump is for. Debates are for moving the electorate. And the only way you can measure that is polling. And the polls, without fail, showed that Biden moved the electorate in his direction… by definition, victory.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 5:25 AM
So… Biden won because Biden won. And “Biden won because Biden won” because Biden won. Have you ever seen Being John Malkovich?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:28 AM
Which you know because you’re a pro, and you’re a pro at something that you don’t want to say you’re a pro at. Perhaps it involves the frying of thinly sliced potatoes.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:30 AM
First you say don’t look at the polls:
Then, you go back to relying on the polls:
Why should we bother arguing with a mental midget like you?
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 5:31 AM
Perhaps you could spice up this substanceless nattering with an “ipso facto” and a “quid pro quo” or two. Just for added authenticity.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:32 AM
And you have established that you are interested in debates for stroke material, while I am interested in how they help candidates win/lose elections.
Amateur vs. pro.
Campaigns are entirely about majority opinion.
Amateur vs. pro.
Elections are collective exercises.
Amateur vs. pro.
???? Snowman???
I think you should lay off the snow there, snowman.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 5:35 AM
BTW, neither Biden nor his performance at the debate had a thing to do with Barack winning the election.
In fact, Joe’s a drag on the whole enterprise, as he’s proving to be now as vice president.
He’s a gaffe-master, a liar and a moron.
It still amazes and frightens me badly that this idiot is one heartbeat away from the presidency!
(That being said, if he were to become president, he would be less of a nightmare than Ogabe.)
Obama won the election for one and only one reason and it wasn’t the amount of money he had or his excellent campaign but it was the color of his skin pigment and that’s all that it was.
He won’t be able to play the race card in 2012.
Jenfidel on April 12, 2009 at 5:37 AM
No. Biden won because he moved the electorate in his direction, something you have made clear that you don’t think is important.
Which is the mark of an amateur.
Actually, even amateurs usually care about electoral victory. I guess I should say it’s the mark of the politically ignorant.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 5:38 AM
Your inability to grasp metaphor reflects poorly on your self-proclaimed genius. As does your laughable definition of “collectivist,” especially considering the name you’ve chosen for yourself. But keep saying it; it’s kind of funny.
So… You’re a pro, you’re a pro, you’re a pro, and yet you won’t tell us what that profession might possibly be. Since you won’t specify a career, I will select one for you: Strip mall custodian. Share with us some more of your wisdom, mop-boy.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 5:40 AM
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