Fox News question of the day: Can Palin save her political career?
posted at 8:00 pm on April 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
At first I was surprised the Foxies would dare to ask, but then I remembered which network it was that went gaga over the anonymous sniping at her by Team Maverick.
Are we sure her career’s in trouble? Judging by the response to her appearance at that pro-life event in Indiana, the market for her has yet to soften:
Right to Life officials announced Thursday that, in addition to speaking to a sold-out crowd of 2,180 during the 6 p.m. banquet in The Centre’s Bill Brooks Exhibition Hall, Palin will appear before people paying $16 per ticket to watch a live broadcast feed in the building’s auditorium.
Right to Life officials had been working for weeks to confirm Palin’s appearance in the auditorium with theater seating, where 564 of an available 2,500 tickets have been sold.
Palin, the Republican Party’s 2008 nominee for vice president and a possible 2012 presidential candidate, will be accompanied by her husband, Todd Palin, and the couple’s baby son, Trig…
The organization announced the extra gathering when they learned Palin would join keynote speaker Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, at the sold-out banquet.
The peg for the FNC item is the ongoing freakification of her that I wrote about in the context of that Eminem video. The more tabloid nonsense washes in with the news tide, the more it erodes her credibility. (Latest chapter in the Levi/Palin feud: Sarahcuda insists that “over my dead body” would Johnston have been allowed to live with Bristol in their home.) Let’s try a patented Hot Air poll on this slow news night to see where you’re at on the question of career-saving. Option three is there mainly for our three lefty trolls. I’m more curious to see the split between options one and two. If you choose the latter, feel free to explain in the comments what you have in mind.
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That is irrelevant. Maybe you can open your mind and ask yourself why the polls show that if Obama went against Palin, Palin would be DOUBLED in votes. She would also lose to the other leading republican leaders.
duh
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 12:30 AM
I have no university fetish, you do…
“I don’t think that in the Constitution it’s written that someone must have a degree from a prestigious university.” – ddrintn
Palintologists keep bringing up the university class warfare rhetoric. I already said I only care about qualifications not the school but the MBA program at Harvard is a much harder (grades) program to get into than a state school.
I can however match qualified candidates to job positions.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 12:30 AM
So fundraising and attracting people to events is irrelevant, but a poll isn’t?
Not in the real world, dude.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM
FIFY
long_cat on April 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Speaking of polls, Palin has beaten Wall’s favorite Romney in every single GOP nomination poll taken since the election.
And take a look at at the poll at the top this page. Which category do you think Pooptech Fabio and the others basketcases would fall under? The lowly 8%… vs the 92% of HotAir readers who laugh at them every day.
Norwegian on April 12, 2009 at 12:48 AM
You know, a lot of this Palin criticism would have resonated with me more had she been for President in 08. However, we are talking about 2012 here and by then she will have had plenty of experience as Governor of Alaska in a particularly difficult economic time. Why don’t we just wait and see how she handles things, you can nitpick later?
And for the record, I supported Duncan Hunter followed by McCain and Romney. I do think Romney would make an excellent President but his flip flopping on every major issue had me concerned.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Prestigious schools recruit old money white people and diversity. I don’t have enough money to send my children to Harvard or Yale. Two year community college then University. Does that make Harvard Graduates more intelligent? Not even in a caste system does it. However, considering the elites in D.C. and the press, they think Harvard graduates are smarter and promote ALL Harvard graduates over State Universities except for President Bush.
However, we live in a results oriented society. If Bill Gates had a son that wanted to attend Harvard, he would have the money to pay his way in although Mr. Gates droped out of college and made more money that the combined income of 1000 Harvard graduates.
Results are what the American People want. Palin has been and is still a successful Governor of Alaska. Prior to the 2008 campaign, her performance as governor was much greater than the performance of a certain senator that somehow hoodwinked the electorate as actually achieving something in public service.
PrettyD_Vicious on April 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM
test
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Thats funny. All the scientifically done polls I have seen show Romney in front of the Pack. Polls like the HotAir, MTV, and the Sean Hannity Fox News poll dont count, stupid.
All you guys are 14 and are in love with your fantasy caribou barbie doll. Not real world, dummies.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Excellent demonstration of jealousy and stupidity. Good job.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Yeah, it’s just commong sense.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM
John McCain definitely drove that ticket, yeah.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Let’s try this again…
Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls
The American people thought otherwise.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Right there’s you’re problem, genius.
That, and you’re spellcheck’s broken.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Can you say….
PWNED!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
I hate arguing with people who are obviously not college educated.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Your ability to reason and think clearly are broken.
I can always reread my posts and fix my spelling. But you just cant fix stupid…so you’re out of luck.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:16 AM
So instead of discussing the relative merits of each candidate’s performance, you bring out a poll. Well, I didn’t need a poll to tell me she kicked his ass; I just looked at the high-heel print on the back of his suit.
The polls would say Biden one if he dropped his pants and dropped a deuce on the stage. They would have called it a daring and historical debate ploy.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:18 AM
The Wall has infected me with his English unskills. Biden was said to have won. The other guy is The One.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:19 AM
It takes a special kind of idiot to boast that his inability to reason, spell, or come up with a retort that doesn’t include a string of exclamation marks is due to his overabundance of education. Kudos.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:22 AM
New to Hotair? No “edit” function, genius, so the misspellings are a continuing witness to your “intellect.”
Some have learned from classes, some from life experience, and some learn “on the job.” In my experience, the dumbest bricks are those who attended classes, think they’re really really smart, look down on others, and have no wisdom to discern what is truly important.
From what I’ve seen, you are squarely in that camp.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Oh hey, you are SO right, Treacher. It isnt what the voting american public believe about a debate….its what YOU think about the debate.
Got it. Thanks.
Go Palin. YEAH!!!
SHE IS HOT AND WILL WIN THE ELECTION FOR POTUS IN 2012!!!
HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY WHO CARES WHAT THE VOTING PUBLIC THINK HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:24 AM
It is when I step into the voting booth. I’m doing what I think is right, not what you want me to believe is right. But then, you’re living proof of the intellectual dangers of collectivism.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:27 AM
Uh, I was talking about rereading my posts between the time I hurriedly type them and when I press the “submit comment” button you pathetic assclown.
Thanks for trying.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:27 AM
You’ll forgive me for not having a shocking disregard for public opinion when discussing electoral politics. I just have this thing about not losing elections, that’s all.
Apparently a concern not shared by all here.
Drop the nitrous tank, and back away from the keyboard, slowly.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 1:27 AM
You may believe whatever you may believe and I may believe whatever I may believe.
Just dont tell me Sarah Palin is going to win the next election for POTUS, mmmmkay?
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:28 AM
(We will now wait while the super-smart genius Googles “collectivism.”)
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:28 AM
Sarah Palin very well could win the next election for POTUS, especially if the current one continues to bend over for a handful of skinny dudes with Kalashnikovs and a leaky boat.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM
Well, I sense you are struggling tonite. I suppose it must be difficult arguing for such a lost cause.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM
Not a chance in hell. If Obama continues to bend over then a republican will win the next election…but it will be one who is familiar with newspapers and doesnt let Katie Couric make an ass out of the candidate.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Oh, okay…
So when you going to start doing that?
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Why would I start doing that?
Why cant you stick with issues?
Yer dumb, I know.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:34 AM
You’ll forgive me for not hiding behind a poll instead of discussing the relative merits of each candidate’s debate performance. You can win a debate and still lose an election. For example, like I’m doing now.
Huh? Your guy won this one.
Oh, you don’t think Biden’s gaffes are handled differently? Forget the nitrous tank, your head must have treadmarks from a Abrams.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:35 AM
Glad we agree. Palin ’12!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM
Yep. And apparently, the lifeboat is drifting toward shore, about 20 miles off now.
If Obama lets them get close enough to make it to land with the captain, even the MSM won’t be able to cover for him.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Do you need the URL for Google?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:36 AM
But it’ll be fun to watch them try.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:38 AM
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:34 AM
Speaking of issues, I don’t remember a response from you as to why fundraising and drawing people to events is irrelevant? (12:41)
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:38 AM
So what is your definition of “winning a debate”?? What is the goal of “winning a debate”???
Is it to have the voting public believe you won the debate and enjoy the resulting uptick in your liklihood of winning the election or is it to win a debate on points so bloggers can discuss them after their candidate had their ass handed to them in the election?
Comical. Why dont we keep nominating losers and allow the opposition to continue to destroy our country???
Oh wait….that is what you want to do…with airhead Palin.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:38 AM
weak. simply weak. and you know it.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:39 AM
Well, it helps if the VP candidate actually remembers he’ll be expected to preside over the Senate should he win.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:40 AM
Did you read the link? Most people thought Palin lost big.
Do you think it matters that Biden said a bunch of stupid things. That just makes Palin look even worse. She didnt call him on his errors and still lost the debate.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:42 AM
You win a debate if you convince me that your stance on the issues is right. I don’t have to look at a poll to tell me whether or not anybody agrees with me about it, you collectivist.
Don’t be sad. Just try to learn from it.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:42 AM
oh…OK.
You know what?? You and I both know that me and JohnGalt23 kicked all you Palintologists’ ass tonite.
Deal with it.
out.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Don’t forget your ball.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:42 AM
You admit he said “a bunch of stupid things” and still claim he won?
Hahahahahaha.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 1:44 AM
“I won!” (Now I’m gonna run out of here, before you can say anything else)
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:48 AM
Just admit you can’t withstand the rhetorical might of an intellectual giant who’s unable to spell “HAHAHA.”
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:52 AM
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 1:52 AM
(Sigh)
I can’t even win an argument with the (brick) Wall.
cs89 on April 12, 2009 at 1:55 AM
Nixon beat Kennedy on Substance but the polls showed (for TV anyway) that Kennedy won the debate. If dead people didn’t vote in Chicago, Nixon would have won the election.
John Kerry beat George W Bush in all three debates on both style and substance according to the polls. Bush still won the election.
Debates are important, and can certainly turn things around, but they are not the end all be all. The ability to make a speech and woo a crowd is the most important, and Palin is a natural for that. If she can build up a good record in Alaska run on and not tank in her one on one interviews then she will be a formidable candidate. It is silly to write anyone off 4 years before the election. Especially Palin who generates the most excitement out of any potential Republican candidate for 2012.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 2:01 AM
Oh I forgot….PopTech also participated in the massive ass kicking of the palintologists that occurred tonite.
But, you already knew that.
Sorry about that PopTech.
Deal with it.
Out.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 2:04 AM
Uh huh.
Tell me Jim, what’s the point of a debate during a campaign? Is it an opportunity for candidates to try to move the electorate in their direction? Or is it to give their supporters stroke material?
If you think it is the latter, then that’s OK. Stroke away. Just keep in mind, that’s loser talk.
If you think it is the former, then the only way you determine victory and defeat is to poll the voters. In which case, you’ll stop trying to defend Palin’s performance in the debate.
Of course you are. Just like SP won the October debate.
/condescension
No, my guy lost. I’d just like to avoid that next time around.
Which blindly nominating an underqualified candidate backed by a lunatic fringe of cult-like supporters who are unconcerned with public opinion would ensure.
Not that I’m naming any names…
By talking heads? Sure.
By the American public, speaking their voice in scientific polls, reacting to an unfiltered debate they just saw and heard? No, I don’t. Because to claim that is to say that our party is so broken that the American people are blinded to the reality that their own eyes and ears tell them about our candidates.
If that’s the case, then it is time to pack it in. And I for one am not a quitter.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 2:05 AM
What he said.
P.S. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
out.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 2:06 AM
I agree completely.
But we don’t win elections by denying political reality. And the hard-bitten, undeniable political reality is that the American people, by a wide margin, thought SP lost that debate. And that cost the GOP.
And to defend failure, as the Cult Of Sarah seems all too willing to do, is the first step down the road to defeat.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 2:15 AM
Let us know when your victory march really begins.
To convince me which candidate has the best grasp of the issues. Of course, from your perspective, it’s to provide fodder for polls which in turn are made into “news” stories. I don’t doubt that you think you know what you’re talking about.
No, you jump through my hoops.
He’s in the Oval Office now.
“Our.” Huh.
So you can’t decide for yourself? You need a poll to tell you what to think? Why is that, do you suppose?
And this time you mean it, huh? Well, congrats on spelling it all correctly, at least.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:20 AM
The American people, by a wide margin, also think she bans books and tries to teach kids that Jesus rode a dinosaur. The American people rely on a press that is not exactly covering itself in glory when it comes to all things Palin. When they welcome someone to the national stage by accusing her of faking her pregnancy, I’m a bit skeptical about their impartiality.
Since you’re so focused on that debate in particular: Do you honestly thought Biden won? Not “What did the polls tell you to think.” What did you think? If so, what in particular do you think he did well?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:25 AM
Yes but the thing is, there is in fact a cult of Sarah. A sizeable one which I find difficult to ignore. I thought her interviews went horrendously, she easily allowed herself to be trapped, but she has a magnetism to her that attracts quite a following. Even with the MSM hounding after her.
Her performance at the debate was not terrible by any means, she just did not follow up when Biden told a fib; probably because her knowledge of National and World affairs was limited. This can all change in the next 3 years.
When it comes to Palin I see a candidate with tremendous potential. She just needs to bolster her record in Alaska and read up on National and Foreign policy so she does not come across as stilted in interviews and fall into traps. This won’t be easy, but a lot can happen in 3 years. I just don’t see how some people can count her out at this time and do it so vociferously.
I personally have my eye on Jindal, but he lacks the magnetism of both Palin and Obama. I am definitely a Romney fan, but I do have some trust issues with him and his convenient flip flops. One thing is for sure, we have no Standard Bearer at the moment so we need to rely on talk show hosts to give voice to some sort of message…though that message is unfocused.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 2:28 AM
Mr. Sleep with Treacher responds to reasonable, intelligent, and articulate posts from JohnGalt23 by simply dismissing him and calling him an Obama supporter.
Treacher is weak, very, very weak.
Your cover is blown. You are an unreasonable Palintologist Cultist which means L-O-S-E-R!!!
out.
The Wall on April 12, 2009 at 2:28 AM
So you keep saying.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:29 AM
It’s Easter Sunday. The Lord has risen, and I think it’s time you lay to rest. ;)
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 2:34 AM
You mean do you honestly think! HAHAHQAJAFAHA!
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:35 AM
The massive asskicking just got worse. Now someone please explain why Palin was chosen over Hutchinson…
Sarah Palin
Age: 45
Religion:
- Pentecostal
Education:
- Attended, University of Hawaii at Hilo, 1982
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (2 years) (pop: 670,053) (0.002% of the U.S. population)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007
Kay Bailey Hutchison
Age: 65
Religion:
- Episcopalian
Education:
- B.A. University of Texas at Austin, 1962
- J.D. University of Texas School of Law, 1967
Professional Experience:
- Political and Legal Correspondent, KPRC-TV, Houston, 1967-1971
- Senior Vice-President and General Counsel, RepublicBank Corporation, 1978
- Co-Founder, Fidelity National Bank of Dallas
- Owner, McCraw Candies, Incorporated, 1986-1988
Committees:
- Chariman, Surface Transportation and Merchant Marine Subcommittee, 1996-2005
- Chairman, Board of Visitors, U.S. Military Academy at West Point, 1998-2000, 2008-Present
- Chairman, Science and Space Subcommittee, 2005-2007
- Chairman, Republican Policy Committee, 2007-2009
- Co-Chairman, Congressional Oil and Gas Caucus, 2003-2004
- Ranking Member, Aviation Operations, Safety, and Security Subcommittee, 2007-Present
- Ranking Member, Military Construction and Veterans’ Affairs, and Related Agencies Subcommittee
- Ranking Member, Science, and Transportation Committee, 2008-Present
- Member, Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, 1999-2000
- Member, Appropriations Committee
- Member, Rules and Administration Committee
- Member, Veterans’ Affairs Committee
- Member, Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Subcommittee
- Member, Energy and Water Development Subcommittee
- Member, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies Subcommittee
- Member, Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies Subcommittee
- Member, Science, Technology, and Innovation Subcommittee
- Member, Surface Transportation and Merchant Marine Infrastructure, Safety and Security Subcommittee
Political Experience:
- Press Secretary, Republican National Committee, 1971-1972
- Representative, Texas House of Representatives, 1972-1976
- Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, 1976-1978
- Texas State Treasurer, 1991-1993
- Co-Chairman, Republican National Convention, 1992
- U.S. Senator, Texas, 1993-Present (pop: 23,904,380) (16 Years)
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 2:36 AM
I mean, any idiot can read a poll. Just look at The Wall. I want to know what you think, the inaptly named John Galt.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:37 AM
ResumeFetish.com.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Poptech, Hutchinson? Do you want to become Mexico’s largest new Province?
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 2:40 AM
The point is about qualifications.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 2:42 AM
What do you think Capt. Richard Phillips thinks of Obama’s qualifications?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:45 AM
And 4 years from now, with Palin having 6 years of Executive experience as Governor of Alaska and lets say one of the few states who did not raise taxes but cut spending and retained their surplus; would you recognize that as an accomplishment for her? Or are you just completely biased against her?
As of right now, I see your point, but I am looking down the road here. I see plenty of room for her to grow and prove herself.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 2:46 AM
This credentials fetish really is fascinating. Obama can bow to kings and open us up to the first pirate attack in 200 years and send the stock market into a nosedive and break every promise he makes, but it’s okay because the portions of his record that he hasn’t hidden from the public give Poptech a stiffie.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:47 AM
The surplus is a myth…
Alaska sees $1.25 billion budget gap on oil price drop (Reuters)
I noted her accomplishments…
Accomplishments:
- Spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office as Mayor of Wasilla
- Increased Spending by 55% as Mayor of Wasilla
- Secured $27 million in Federal Earmarks as Mayor of Wasilla
- Raised the Sales Tax by 25% as Mayor of Wasilla
- Racked up $20 Million in Long Term Debt as Mayor of Wasilla
- Supported building the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ as Governor of Alaska
- Kept $223 Million in Federal Earmarks for the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ as Governor of Alaska
- Increased Spending by 31% as Governor of Alaska
- Requested $456 Million in Federal Earmarks as Governor of Alaska
- Alaska’s State Economic Freedom Ranking Dropped from 33 to 45 as Governor of Alaska
- Alaska Ranked 48 out of 50 as one of The Worst States for Business as Governor of Alaska
- Raised Taxes on Oil Profits to 25% as Governor of Alaska
- Requested $642 Million of Federal Stimulus Money as Governor of Alaska
She had the worst VP appearance of a candidate since Quayle, none of that is going away.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 2:51 AM
An even better question…does sarah palin care more about Republicians or hanging out with the elite crowd which includes Obama?!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/01/palin-stiffs-th.html
Palin stiffs the House Republicans
January 31, 2009 7:34 PM
“When House Republicans planned their annual winter retreat, they extended an invitation to Alaska Gov. Sara Palin, hoping the party’s 2008 vice presidential nominee would give a morale-building speech to the more than 130 Republican members of Congress gathered this weekend in Hot Springs, Va.
Retreat organizers tell ABC News that Palin politely declined, giving a perfectly understandable reason.
According to the Congressional Institute, which hosted the conference, Palin said she simply could not make it to the retreat because pressing state business made it impossible for her to leave Alaska this weekend.
So where is Palin this weekend? She’s in Washington, D.C., attending the super-elite Alfalfa Dinner.
“She lied to us,” said a Republican at the retreat.”
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 2:52 AM
I dub thee Cutandpastetech.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:53 AM
I don’t support Obama but he does have relevant education for the job just no experience in anything remotely relevant and has no clue about economics much like Palin who is worse with no relevant education.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 2:54 AM
Right.
First of all, let’s just acknowledge your objectivity leaves a bit to be desired. If you are honest with yourself (which I am becoming increasingly convinced the Cult Of Sarah is incapable of), you would admit that there was really no way Joe Biden was going to convince you that he had the best grasp of the issues.
Which is fine… your an idealogue. Nothing wrong with that. But to hold your opinion out as the goal of a political debate in which you have already disqualified one of the participants is disingenuous, and politically, is just plain dumb.
Secondly, as your “collectivist” statement to The Wall so clearly proves, you fail to grasp that elections, in a democratic framework, are a collective endeavor. Debates within that framework, are therefore, necessarily aimed at the opinion of the electorate as a collective. To deny that is, once again, just politically dumb.
Oh, I know for a fact I know what I’m talking about. Not only do I doubt that you know what you are talking about, I doubt that you even think you know what you are talking about.
All right. I’ll play that game.
I’ve given you an objective way to determine who won a debate, namely polling the electorate. Why don’t you try giving us an objective method of determining who won a debate that doesn’t involve polls?
I’ll wait.
Of course. Because I don’t worship at the altar of Sarah, I’m an Obama supporter. Gotcha.
Good luck winning a primary with that attitude.
Gee, I don’t know. Maybe because as a professional, I recognize that I might not be entirely objective, so I like to refer to a benchmark that is objective.
That would be my guess. Of course, I guess I shouldn’t expect the same from amateur idealogues… expecting them to actually test their own opinions is probably too much to ask.
First, for someone so quick to play the grammar police, you might want to check your tenses.
Secondly, I thought Biden, on points, cleaned her clock.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 2:54 AM
The anonymously sourced quote is granted extra credibility by your canny use of boldface.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 2:54 AM
Your lack of respect for the wisdom and fundamental fairness of the American people is duly noted.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 2:58 AM
The funny thing about Biden was that he was qualified for the job more so than Obama. As much as I dislike Obama if Biden became president I would not be as concerned. Palin has no remote clue what she is talking about. McCain could of picked any number of people for VP and the experience issue would have never came up. If he picked Romney when the economy tanked it would be a two for one. Instead Obama won and the Palintologists continue with their fantasy delusions.
Poptech on April 12, 2009 at 2:58 AM
Are you saying sarah was at the GOP retreat rather than at Obama’s elite dinner?!
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:01 AM
Your full of it , Only Palin had any executive experience.
Biden is lying daily.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM
Well that’s a really fascinating perspective you’re obviously given this a lot of thought and I hope you’ll forgive me for forcing you to post something in which you forego your usual reliance on cut-and-paste.
That sure was a lot of typing just to say, “You’re a liar because you dare to disagree with me.”
John Galt is a symbol of the power of the individual, and yet you keep telling me I’m wrong because I disagree with some polls. Are you doing some sort of performance art or something? But then, you don’t even know what “collectivist” means.
By the way, since you’re arguing from authority: What’s this “profession” we’re supposed to be impressed by?
That would’ve been good, if I hadn’t already mocked myself for it. But I appreciate the effort.
You do realize that’s the first substantive thing you’ve said so far, don’t you? And barely, at that. Sheesh, it’s like pulling teeth.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM
No.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM
Your lack of respect for the wisdom and fundamental individuality of the American citizen is duly mocked. Mr. “Galt.”
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM
Are you saying that it means what you’re claiming it means, just because you think it means it?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:06 AM
Do you even know what the alfafa dinner is?
The alfafa dinner is a who’s who of big time Business donors and Washington insiders. Everyone who is anyone is invited to this dinner and if you are invited, you better go. Ronald Reagan and I believe both Bushes went to the dinner. It is THE networking opportunity inside the beltway, especially for someone from Alaska. She made the right move in going to that dinner.
You posted what look to me like a lot of smears, including the old Huffington post smear about spending taxpayer money on her office. That is a scurrilous claim.
Your link is broken and all of your bullet points are completely slanted. You didn’t mention the new business and thousands of new residents she brought into Wasilla by building it up which will more than pay off for the debt. She did not use the Bridge to Nowhere money on the bridges but overall Alaska infrastructure and she was offered bailout money, as every state is and plans to use it combat deficits caused by the recession. State spending increased because of spending already put in place by her predecessors int he Governors seat and the legislature. You say nothing of her ethical reforms and sheer tenacity in taking on the status quo or of the direct tax refunds she gave to the people of Alaska instead of putting it into state coffers. Do not insult my intelligence with slanted rhetoric. I am skeptical of Sarah Palin, but I am more skeptical of the left wing slander sites you get your information from because they outright lie.
So I will leave it where I started, I will take another look at Sarah Palin in 3 years when the primaries warm up. I will see how she faired in Alaska in tough economic times and compare her performance, among other things, to the competition.
Daemonocracy on April 12, 2009 at 3:09 AM
So what?! Out of all the candidates on the two tickets–McCain, palin, Obama, and Biden, none of them had the executive experience of Cindy McCain. Thus, she should be our Pres, right?
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Truly you are wise in the ways of dumbness.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:14 AM
At least you’re honest. Congrats.
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:15 AM
I mean, “JohnGalt23″ is telling me I should stop thinking for myself and go along with the herd. You’re making a joke, right?
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:17 AM
Palin has more executive experience running any form of government than Cindy.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:17 AM
What a loser you are. You can’t defend sarah’s dumping you guys for Obama so you resort to calling ME names. It ain’t my fault sarah is the way she is…ALL ABOUT SARAH!
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM
Sounds like evidence of a guilty mind to me.
John Galt is a character in a novel. I am neither an engineer, nor an atheist. I just like the book.
Apparently separating reality from fiction isn’t the strong suit for the Cult Of Sarah. Of course, that’s often a weakness of cultists.
That’s not an argument from authority. It’s a recognition that objectivity is something we should strive for. Something you apparently, are unconcerned with.
BTW, I’m still waiting on how you would, objectively, determine who won a debate. I suspect I’ll be waiting a while.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 3:19 AM
Try to calm down.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:20 AM
The visit to the “elite dinner” was in Alaskas interested, the Gop meeting would be only in the partys and could have rendered Palin an ethics complain and media attacks from liberals and rinos.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:20 AM
I pointed out that the American people disagreed with you, and you got your hackles up.
I never said you were wrong. I said such an attitude is politically dumb, and a prelude to defeat.
JohnGalt23 on April 12, 2009 at 3:21 AM
sarah has 2 years of executive experience running the 5th smallest state in the US per population (many counties have larger populations than does Alaska), and wasn’t todd copied on all those official Gov. emails? How do you know he was not running the state?
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:23 AM
Ok , you’re the concerned moby. thanks , but .. no thanks.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:24 AM
Then why didn’t you learn anything from it?
Yes, I’m a cultist because I refuse to bend my thinking to what a poll says. This is good stuff.
So you don’t want to tell us what you do for a living, even though we’re supposed to defer to you for it.
Obviously, the winner is determined by which one puts the ball through the basket more often within the predetermined time limit. You are truly a genius.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:27 AM
She’s still more qualified than cindy , obama , biden and Mccain.
the_nile on April 12, 2009 at 3:28 AM
No, you said my opinion was invalid because a poll disagreed with me. Historical revisionism, add that to your list.
And you’re welcome to assert that as often and as fervidly as you like.
Jim Treacher on April 12, 2009 at 3:29 AM
Say what?! Your grammar is scary and so is your logic. Why would sarah have been attacked for attending a function of her own party? But anyway…she lied to her party. sarah is all about sarah…she rails against the DC elites, yet chooses them over her own party. That’s your girl!
Shelby on April 12, 2009 at 3:29 AM
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