Captain tried to escape from pirates
posted at 12:18 pm on April 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The standoff in the Gulf of Aden continues, with the US Navy bringing more assets to bear on the lifeboat where pirates hold the captain of the Maersk Alabama hostage. However, they lost control of Richard Phillips briefly when the captain leapt out of the lifeboat and tried to swin for the USS Bainbridge. The pirates jumped back in the water and retrieved him:
Richard Phillips, the captain of a U.S.-flagged cargo ship, tried to escape from pirates Thursday night by jumping out of the lifeboat where he’s being held, a U.S. official said Friday.
Phillips was believed to be trying to swim to the USS Bainbridge, a naval warship that is in communication with the gunmen holding Phillips off Somalia’s coast, the official said.
The pirates jumped into the water, recaptured him, and returned him to the lifeboat, according to the official.
The U.S. military has every reason to believe that he was unharmed in the incident, the official said.
I’m hesitant to second-guess an ongoing operation, but why didn’t we react in time to rescue Phillips? It seems to me we should have anticipated an escape attempt, and had people ready to assist him if he broke free. Phillips must have thought so as well; surely he didn’t contemplate having to swim all the way up the side of the Bainbridge to make his escape successful.
Meanwhile, Andy McCarthy at National Review says that piracy has returned because of an overweening desire for civilization to feel good about itself rather than protect shipping lanes from barbarians:
The men who founded our country and crafted our Constitution understood this. They understood that the “rule of law” was not a faux-civilized counterweight to the exhibition of might. Might, instead, is the firm underpinning of law and of our civilization. The Constitution explicitly recognized that the United States would have enemies; it provided Congress with the power to raise military forces that would fight them; it made the chief executive the commander-in-chief, concentrating in the presidency all the power the nation could muster to preserve itself by repelling evil. It did not regard evil as having a point of view, much less a right to counsel.
That’s not our position anymore. The scourge of piracy was virtually wiped out in 19th century because its practitioners were regarded as barbarians — enemies of the human race (hostis humani generis, as Bret Stephens recently reminded us in a brilliant Wall Street Journal essay). They derived no comfort from the rule of law, for it was not a mark of civilization to give them comfort. The same is true of unlawful enemy combatants, terrorists who scoffed at the customs of civilized warfare. To regard them as mere criminals, to assume the duty of trying to understand why they would brutalize innocents, to arm them with rights against civilized society, was not civilized.
We don’t see it that way anymore. Evil is now just another negotiation. Pirates and terrorists are better known for their human rights than for their inhuman wrongs. On Thursday, America’s commander-in-chief didn’t want to talk about the pirates — “Guys, we’re talking about housing right now,” he chided a reporter who dared to raise the topic as the Somalis held the American ship’s captain hostage. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, was dispatched to assure the public that the world would come together to deal with this “criminal activity” — a relief if you were wondering whether the naval destroyer on the scene was equipped with Miranda-warning cards.
This is the self-destructive straitjacket for which transnational progressives are fitting us. Indeed, the Law of the Sea Treaty — a compact Obama would commit us to — has hopelessly complicated the rules of engagement under which the pirates have thrived, just as Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions (a treaty Ronald Reagan was prudent enough to reject) has become an offensive weapon for jihadists everywhere. Having harnessed ourselves, we are once again the weak horse.
We don’t need a President commenting on ongoing hostage negotiations to have a strong policy against piracy, but otherwise Andy’s dead-on correct. It springs from a Western infatuation with moral relativism, where we’re no longer allowed to consider groups of people barbaric, even when engaging in the execution of gays (Iran) or wholesale slaughter of people through starvation policies (Zimbabwe). When we decided that evil no longer exists and all became Freudians, we stopped defending civilized behavior and started excusing uncivilized behavior. The piracy issue is just the latest example of that trend.
That’s not Barack Obama’s fault, as it started long before he arrived on the political scene. Nor can Obama be blamed for the rise of piracy over the last few years in the Gulf of Aden, as he just became President 80 days ago. How we react to this incident and how we treat piracy in the future is definitely a test for Obama and his worldview, however. Given Obama’s propensity to treat radical Islamist terrorists the same as street thieves and gangs, it would appear that the moral-relativist, Miranda-warning approach to piracy will continue.










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I haven’t read this whole thread but this morning they showed the type of life raft these folks are on or should I say in.
There are no shots to be had, it is a totally enclosed orange capsule.
Cindy Munford on April 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
To your statement that I did not make, here is my quote from my post:
Now you see it…don’t you?
Well lets hope you didn’t mislead your students like you did on your posts…I gave you the scenarios outlined by International Maritime law. The ones you must have forgot about when you lectured.
…and yes, I did announce plainly where I got my information, you can take it or leave it. But I did not pretend that I used to teach submarine tactic classes…
Here they are again, for your next class:
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Giving them the two million, securing the captains release, and then shredding the pirates, launch, and cash sounds about right, but I fear they are thinking ahead and will insist on being given passage onto one of the other hijacked ships entering the arena before the captain is freed. With other hostages aboard, they are home free with the money. Eric Holder will declare it a great success and Obama will schedule 2 hours of primetime TV for a speech on different methods of wealth redistribution.
a capella on April 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM
They were quoted as saying they want free passage to the harbor, and once in a safe house, and money given, they will release the captain.
The one advantage we have, is that they went back on their word, so we can have a legitimate stand of stating “We can’t trust you, you already lied to us once about the same thing.”
This is going to take awhile.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM
As I stated in the origional post…
It is not INTERNATIONAL law that is the Problem… it is not ADMIRALTY Law which is the problem…
Its our OWN Law, Supreme Court Precedents, and how they interact with Laws of the Sea…
But please continue to find OFF THE SUBJECT internet sites, and think they proove your point…
Funny… the Navy was quite happy with my classes… but then you apparently know better than them…
You are the type who is just here to win an arguement… not make any rational point… but please, go ahead… get your jollys…
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 4:04 PM
For cryin’ out loud – doesn’t anyone read the thread before they come up with their armchair quarterback ‘just pick ‘em off’ comments????
This lifeboat is not your standard Johnny Depp sloop with two oars. It’s an encapsulated boat, made to withstand being tossed around. See more here:
http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/maersk-alabama-lifeboat-faq/
I do not have cable or satellite TV so I’m not sure if the news stations are doing their jobs in reporting this. Probably not.
God Bless Captain Phillips and may he come home in one piece and alive.
In the mean time – why not have a picnic table photo-op and then we’ll have pizza. Yum! Freakin’ O has nothing to say to the people in Arkansas during the ice storm, the Red River people during the flood, or the Captain and his family during this standoff. Protect and defend much?????
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kanda on April 10, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I was one of the Air Force guys there for weather. And in the Air Force, it was an AFSC, not MOS. ;)
But armpit of the world? Most definitely. I got out of there in mid-December and have never gone back. That was ungodly horrible.
It was rather cool, though, having Air Force, Navy and Marine trainees there, all out of boot camp. Lots of heads got pounded in the pool hall, not always the Air Force, either. ;)
In Chanute’s favor, they had a B-36 on static display. I used to walk around that thing all the time. It took a LONG time. :)
wccawa on April 10, 2009 at 4:06 PM
When the captain escaped, it should have been shredded.
And our guys should have been ready to do the shredding.
dogsoldier on April 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Please, you called me out by name, I didn’t mention your name.
Get off your high horse and move on.
I am posting about other things…I am responding to your attacks. You first attacked me at 3:08, I never mentioned you, nor would I even think of mentioning you.
I have every right to defend myself against a personal attack.
My advice is don’t attack someone then whine about them defending themselves.
Now move on and get back to what this post is about, this is much more serious then what you are trying to focus on. I am sure you have something constructive to say.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM
My understanding is that it was near midnight, and the captain did not get far.
Our military is good, but not that good. We are several hundred yards from the lifeboat.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 4:13 PM
French get into the act after one of their yacht’s taken by pirates. I have to say the french are taking a hard line against the pirates
kanda on April 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM
The problem is, the French will release them after a couple of years, but the crewman is dead forever…and his family suffers forever.
Pay the money, get the release, then move in and wipe them out…Somalia is hosting these “pirates”, murderers, thieves, terrorists…but we won’t.
Take our boats and sink every stinking ship, and let the pirates drown…but we won’t.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM
A center mass shot from 300 yards from a rolling deck to a rolling deck at night?
Not gonna happen.
csdeven on April 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
ha ha you know I was stationed tdy on an AF base once. I loved it. Airconditioning. Refrigeration. Cold Beer. Hot Chow. Theater. Barracks. I think the AF had 38 caliber pistols. It was the best. I’ll never forget the day we left. All of us would have loved to stay. The AF folks were terrific to us Marines while we were there. I’ll always remember how they openly shared all they had with a bunch of Marines who were dumbstruck to find all those things in acombat zone. To them it was norman. To us it was heaven.
kanda on April 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM
normal
kanda on April 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM
And seeing as there is no deck…
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM
They were just scared of you. ;)
wccawa on April 10, 2009 at 4:31 PM
They’ll simply say “Give us the money, the captain goes free after we reach safety.” Maybe the captain goes free later, maybe not. Perhaps there is a new demand for more ransom after he’s taken ashore in Somalia. Negotiating and capitulating to demands doesn’t necessarily make the captain any safer, perhaps less so.
DarkCurrent on April 10, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Exactly, that is why the negotiations take so long…how do we each get what we want?
We can’t give them half the money, and they give us half the captain.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I wonder if the lifeboat were to mysteriously develop a slow leak and the pirates realized they needed the captain and captain’s allies to survive that the tables would turn? What good would $2 million do in Davy Jones’ locker?
viking01 on April 10, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Real problem is not with THIS incident, its the next, and the next, and the next.
If you allow these guys free… if you do not kill or take these guys prisoner… if you PAY them ransom…
You may save this Captain, but you are guarenteeing many many more attacks on Americans.
There was a reason why we had the policy of not Negotiating with terrorists…
And I hate to say it, but this whole indicent is a propoganda coup for the Islamists… one of their memes is that we are weak and decadent… letting them go will only proove it…
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Absolutely!
DannoJyd on April 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I’m generally against negotiating with terrorists (which is what these are now). Let it be clear, 5 minutes to surrender or they will either be apprehended or die. Harm the hostage and they certainly die. Don’t talk to them about how much money they want, talk to them about how much longer they have to live. Simple as that.
DarkCurrent on April 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Hmmmm…. USS Boxer is now in Area…
Big flght deck capable of handling CH53′s…. long range birds…
Team 6 in… transfer via smaller bird to the Bainbridge… late night, rebreathers, CS grenades, and small arms…
God… we can only hope Bambi has the Cojones.
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM
If we continue to treat piracy as a seperate incident to which we react, we’ll never win because of hostages. Better to go in proactvely and destroy their home bases,, but politics won’t allow that to be done and the pirates are smart enough not to kill or abuse hostages(that we know of) which would give the politicians cover to make the right decision.
a capella on April 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Romeo13, apologies for the off-topic distraction, but did you ever write any test curriculum in Redmond?
DarkCurrent on April 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Nope… answered yer post in the other thread… but it was a couple hours later…
Just wrote some user manual early SMS stuff for Microsoft… not involved in their testing… except for taking them… and teaching people how to pass them (MCT).
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM
It would work DC, if we had a pattern of that…if we were Israeli’s it would work. But they know our weak (I choke on this word) President would never order such a thing. They may be ignorant, but they are not stupid.
Our ability to take the fight to the enemy is what has kept us safe for 200 years…that sadly has passed.
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Now that the USS Boxer is on station, there’s a very simple solution: Flood the well deck, drop the stern gate, and let the lifeboat float right into the ship. No escape for the Somalis, and the Marines will be waiting right outside the door.
Crisis over.
Dave in San Diego on April 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM
You hit it… Problem is that we are at the Junction of War, asymetric war, and crime…. You have to decide where to put Piracy…
Historicly it was given over to the military because they, and privateers, were the only ones with the Firepower to stand up to Pirates.
It used to be that you would punish not just the Pirate, but the Port… or country who harbored them… now however we divorce even a Countrys Citizens from the acts of its Government (we don’t hate the Iranian people… but call for regime change…)… so how do you then Punish a countrys populace for Pirates… who do not even belong to the government?
Our own sensitivity will stop us from doing what is needed to stop these barbarians…
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM
In the Chanute AFB chow hall they would cook your burgers to order! When those of us who did not take Christmas leave went to eat, the Base Commander himself carved us slices of baked turkey in the serving line! It’s all true!
These are things gaaranteed to disorient and confound any Marine.
pseudonominus on April 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM
At least we have the right presence in the area. Plus as stated, I love the name Halyburton, just the sound of the name drives the liberals crazy (I know it is spelled diff.)
Halyburton
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Ahhh… good ol’ Chanute.
I can’t remember how many times I threw up there.
wccawa on April 10, 2009 at 5:44 PM
It’s not the hardware that’s important now. It’s national will. We have enough talent on those US Navy ships to win, and most likely save the brave and resourceful Captain Phillips. I want Captain Phillips to survive, as I admire his actions. We have the force and seamanship skill to overawe and intimidate the captors.
I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that the President and the Secretary of State are preventing any on-scene creativity. I can think of a number of ways to win with on-scene forces. There is a finite amount of risk.
“The definition of a calculated risk is a gamble which military men take when they can’t figure out what else to do and which turns out to be right. When it turns out wrong, it wasn’t a calculated risk at all. It was a piece of utter stupidity.” Daniel V. Gallery
Remember, winning is having Captain Phillips alive and well and in our hands.
NaCly dog on April 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
The trolls and the illuminati of HA, as representatives of the overall intelligentsia, claim that piracy is a direct result of abject poverty in the world, of course caused by mean America. Ed, you simply don’t get it.
Entelechy on April 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I have no idea what the best thing to do really is, but I sure hope they can save this man, he seems like such a brave and good man.
Maybe they are going to try and wait them out. After all, where can they go?
I would prefer a rescue by the US Navy however. I would like to make it plain to these people that this kind of thing will not pay off. But so far they have been given every reason to believe it has.
Terrye on April 10, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Very true. But I’m betting that he won’t change anything. And he’s president now, so if he doesn’t start taking steps in a reasonable time frame, it will be perfectly fair to blame him from now on.
tom on April 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM
OT
Here is a clip that the French Gov are sh1tting their pants to get off of the net. Kind of a land pirate thing. Could harm social cohesion. Heh
BL@KBIRD on April 10, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Once upon a time we had men like Thomas Jefferson, William Eaton and Stephen Decatur who had the testicular fortitude to deal with pirates.
Disturb the Universe on April 10, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Excuse me, but the navy seals could swim under this boat and go over the sides and take care of this. Story is out there that numb nuts Obama won’t approve the mission – anything with the word “water” in it freaks him out, I guess. He will probably put on a pair of tights and a cape and go over there, puff out his (I was going to say chest, but he doesn’t have one) and read a speech off his teleprompter. Ummmm< I’m Barack Oooooo bama. We are sunk. Go to your tea parties.
suzyk on April 10, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Covered boat. I’m sure they could take care of business but probably not that way. Do you have a link for the comment that Obama won’t approve a mission?
a capella on April 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Yes, they are that good. Better in fact. And with infrared or night vision gear, yes, they could have terminated the pirates.
dogsoldier on April 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Worse than Jimmah, even.
Disturb the Universe on April 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I’m sorry but weren’t they supposed to release him when they got their pirate mate back?
Are we stupid enough to fall for it again?
Don’t we have frogmen? Sure the lifeboat is enclosed (which would blind the pirates just as much as it would us) but you would think we could overturn the raft pretty easily and then rush in to kill the pirates before they can react. (At least to this armchair quarterback…..).
Then go ARCLIGHT their home port until nothing is standing.
unfortunately I’m afraid Bambi and company really are stupid enough to fall for it again…..
CrazyFool on April 10, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Send in Seal Team 6… its what they were created for.
Rebreathers so no bubbles…
Swim to both hatches…. and chuck in Tear Gas Grenades…
Wait 20 secs… go in…
Enclosed space…. perfect for Tear Gas…
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM
This tells us all we need to know about the current Navy ROE’s for this mission.
Jimmy Doolittle on April 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Why the hell weren’t there a team of seals just 10 feet from that friggin dingy? Why should that war ship be 200 yards away? Get on those maggots asses! Wouldn’t you have thought there would have been twenty five Star-Light sniper scopes trained on the hatch of that dingy? One of those maggots pop his ugly head out the hatch and it would be melon poppin time!
Pathetic! That’s why the FBI is involved! Hussein has ordered the Navy not to shoot! He want to try bowing to those muslim terrorists bastards first! LMAO
Deacon on April 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM
HotWeaver has it right. If they fire on us, game over. Tear the lifeboat apart with 50 cal from bow to stern, slowly. The pirates will quickly come to end game, while splinters are flying everywhere.
Jimmy Doolittle on April 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Someone dozed off on their watch? Someone who probably won’t be seeing his share of the “booty”.
reaganaut on April 10, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I don’t think we had SEALS on station… should be on their way (USS Boxer? Big enough flight deck for CH53 which should have the range… Bainbridge deck is too small for long range birds).
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM
It sounds like Obama is setting up a confrontation of power that will go nowhere, and will make us look weak, unless he decides to blow up the pirate ship with the captain on it. The Navy is on its way…to do what? A repeat of the Tehran embassy takeover.
Please, don’t make this Jimmy Carter II.
PattyJ on April 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Back in the 60s I flew onto the USS Bainbridge DLG(N)25 in a Sea Knight, the navy’s version of a Chinook, pretty big bird. It landed on the fantail. The DDG 96 is not that much smaller than the 25. We did have to launch our SAR bird before landing another though, didn’t have room for more than one.
Oldnuke on April 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Here’s a picture of a bird on the Bainbridge DDG 96.
Fantail looks big enough to me.
Oldnuke on April 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM
If the Pirate/Terrorists are allowed to get away the U.S.A. is going to look very weak, if with money even weaker.
If the Pirate/Terrorists are allowed to get the Captain to shore the U.S.A. is going to look incredible weak.
And the more Naval “assets” that are sent to the scene the more any failures will be magnified.
If the Pirate/Terrorists are not dispatched with “extreme prejudice” it would have been better to have not sent the Navy in at all, let alone as much as is there and on the way.
MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM
The news reports I’ve read said that armed Navy SEALS were on the Maersk Alabama for the final leg into Kenya.
If that’s true, SEALS have been present since the beginning, which would NOT be a surprise.
The longer this goes on, the more I’m thinking it’s the will to do something rather than the ability.
If
CarterDear Leader is holding back the Navy here, I hope that info will see the light of day.wccawa on April 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I’m not! I am absolutely sure the Navy personnel forced to stand by and watch this travesty are inclined to act rather than sit by and watch.
Giggles the bowing POTUS is another Jimmy Carter with nothing but a couple of peanuts hanging where his manhood should be!
This weakness is a complete disgrace.
FireBlogger on April 10, 2009 at 8:16 PM
The USA’s reaction is so pitiful, at least up to now. As Col. Ralph Peters said tonight, regarding Obama’s response to the Somali pirates (on O’Reilly Factor):
In this fire, Obama is the dog who caught the fire engine.
petefrt on April 10, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Because those tactics work so well in SOCOM.
jdkchem on April 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Hey, what’s your solution?
wccawa on April 10, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Have an Obama look-alike motor over in a Navy lifecraft pretending to negotiate, which would draw the amazed pirates out in the open, then unleash coordinated sniper fire on their heads.
Worked at Entebbe, mutatis mutandis.
profitsbeard on April 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Alex Jones is following this very closely. Check out his radio program.
True_King on April 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM
His attempted escape was at midnight…hardly the time to begin laying down fire, in a pitching sea.
Ever occur that they have time to do over several scenarios, pick the one that works best at the right time.
Ever think that maybe we are making headway during these negotiations…or that a trap is being set for more pirates.
I have a lot of faith in our military, and I would bet Obama is not okaying much, he is leaving it to the commanders. His only orders are probably, get the captain out alive, and don’t take the battle onto shore.
The Captains of these vessels are proven warriors, they know the risks, they know the enemy, they know a lot more then we would ever hope to know…and until someone comes up with something specific, I am assuming the military commanders are handling this without interference from Washington. Everything else is conjecture, fueled by all of our disgust with Obama. But if this is a success (and I think it will be), I won’t give him any credit, because I have no indication he is directly involved.
Commanding Officers
right2bright on April 10, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Obama to pirates:
“We are sorry that our arrogance aroused this understandable hostility on your part and. on behalf of all reasonable Americans ,I do humbly apologize. As a sign of our sincerity we hereby present you with a check for $4 million dollars-double the amount originally asked for.
We are also sorry that the ship’s crew used unnecessary force when you attempted to board the vessel (I do hope that none of your brave lads suffered injury) and, as a sign of contrition, you can keep the captain.”
MaiDee on April 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM
ROFL! Dang you’re right!!
ProudPalinFan on April 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM
I’m quite disgusted at the way this is being handled. With all our technology, talent and just plain stuff–surely there should have been some workable means to deal with this. Playing footsie with pirates? How low can we sink. International opinion and rules be damned.
jeanie on April 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM
And to think that gentleman’s still alive! My family got a private tour, meet-and greet, book signed and even got to fire some ammo!
My jaw dropped when they showed me the book, the targets they fired and the pics of the tour with him. PRICELESS!
ProudPalinFan on April 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Actualy, I think they have the Seal on the Merchent ship incorrect… most probaly its simple ships company… and maybe a bit of disinformation.
Seals are NOT normaly deployed on every ship… there just plain are not enough of em, and ships company DO have boarding and self defense teams…
IF the Bainbridge was immediatly order’d to the area, and as press reports say they don’t even have a Helicopter, I find it very hard to believe that they just “happened” to have embarked SEALS…
Crap… I did many many Boarding ops… when we knew that was EXACTLY what we were going there to do, and never had SEALS aboard my ship (for those ops… other ops… whole other story)… on call? yep… in Theatre? yep… but not on every ship out there.
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Sorry… meant to say… report that seals are on the merchent ship are incorrect…
Dang bourbon…
Romeo13 on April 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I know this is obvious..but..I just cannot believe the US is getting pushed around like this by a miniature gang of Somali pirates. Our more powerful enemies the world over must be rubbing their hands together and drooling.
I so, so, dislike our small, weak President.
Missy on April 10, 2009 at 10:55 PM
First off trying to use gas at sea is just stupid. If I am not in the mood to wait the turds out for a long period I use the night time as cover and a sub to deliver the Seal team. Then I use food and water delivery as a distraction, put a Seal corpsman in to “check” the hostage. Once everyone is in place take out the pirates. I am tempted to use concussion grenades when the hatch is open but I do not want to be the one opening any hatches I want the turds doing that. 45′s only no rifles, machine guns, etc. I want my guys up close when they take them out. The only reason I would be waiting is that my rescue team is not on station. Ideally I would want to have three things happen at the same time, 1. rescue American captain, 2. retake German vessel and rescue hostages, 3. have a BLT assault the pirates home port and level every building and structure. Not only does America win but I’ve just sent a message to every turd out there they might pull the same stupid sh-t.
Waiting is stupid. And given the situation it is only going to get worse. If I am a pirate I use the hostages on the German vessel in order to “rescue” my stranded buddies. I can give up the Captain of the US ship as long as I get my buddies and walk (sail) away. I win America loses. I’ve already made president pantywaist blink once.
The only way president pantywaist can save the situation is by rescuing not only the American captain but also the hostages on the German vessel. He has no choice now. He cannot even afford to take prisoners at this point. He’ll and yet still declare a victory and blame Bush when terrorist attacks dramatically increase.
jdkchem on April 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM
I wondered about that also. Seemed odd.
jdkchem on April 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM
The way things are going… the US will get the pirates a new boat, and the hostage situation will end in oh 400 days or so.
Dasher on April 10, 2009 at 11:58 PM
I would be very surprised if this does not end with the pirates and their hostage being given safe passage to one of the larger pirate ships in the area and then being allowed to return to port, where they will then negotiate the conditions for the captain’s release.
That is exactly what we should not do but, unfortunately, that is what will happen. This, of course, will only encourage the pirates to continue acting with impunity.
The correct action, of course, it to not negotiate at all. Tell the pirates that they will not be allowed to leave the area with the captain. Guarantee safe passage if they give the captain up, but no money will change hands – no ifs, ands or buts, period. No negotiations. If you want to leave alive, here is what you are going to do. No negotiations.
tballard on April 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM
That makes it even tougher.
csdeven on April 11, 2009 at 12:40 AM
I’m starting to smell a Pirate Stimulus Bill coming from the White House. Of course, since Obama is the biggest pirate in United States history, that would figure…..
gordo on April 11, 2009 at 1:55 AM
If not pirate stimulus bill, something is brewing.
The minor piracies have been happening for a long time
The major publicity has been Obama centered
Could this be Obama’s useful little war? It worked for Bill Clinton
The Obama media machine runs on diversionary news points
There has been too much economy talk lately. People were starting to believe there is a Depression. Time to change the news feeds
entagor on April 11, 2009 at 2:58 AM
When all else fails,
U.S. Constitution
Yakko77 on April 11, 2009 at 4:47 AM
This is what the USS Boxer brings to the table. 2000 Marines with enough helecopeters and support to hit the beach on a moments notice. The US can put 6 of these battle groups together and bring this combined offensive strength to any point in the world. We have the potential to put 12,000 Marines in Somalia within days with more to follow if we want to end piracy. This is only one of the ways our Navy can deliver Marines to battle. The Navy can also deliver Army forces when a larger operation is planned.
USS Boxer LHD-4
Displacement 40,650 tons (fl.)
Length 844′
Beam 105′
Speed 20 kts.+
Complement 104 Officer, 1004 Enlisted
Marine Force 1894 (plus 184 surge)
Armament
two RAM launchers
two NATO Sea Sparrow launchers
three 20mm Phalanx (CIWS) mounts
four .50cal. machine guns
Aircraft
twelve CH-46 Sea Knight Helicopters
four CH-53E Sea Stallion helicopters
six AV-8B Harrier attack aircraft
three UH-1N Huey helicopters
four AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters
planned capability to embark MV-22 Osprey VTOL tilt-rotors
Power Plant
two 600 psi boilers
two geared steam turbines
two shafts
70,000 total shaft horsepower
kanda on April 11, 2009 at 5:06 AM
Thats a Max load…. ie… it CAN carry that many Marines, but usualy doesnt…
As she was tasked to be Command Ship of the Pirate Ops (read it on Wiki so don’t know the validity) seems like she’d have less Marines…. perhaps embarked SEALs… and more Combat Helos with less Transport…
But, that would make sense…
Romeo13 on April 11, 2009 at 9:48 AM
True or not, the longer this drags out, the more impotent Obama appears to the world. He has to know that, doesn’t he?
a capella on April 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM
I know, I wake up every morning… make my coffee, jump online HOPEING this is over…
If you read Bin Laden’s writings, you’ll find that he believed that the West was not only decadent, but was no longer capable of doing what was needed to protect itself…
That even though America had overwhelming strength, its lack of will to use that strength made it impotent…
Romeo13 on April 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Good Lord… another day?
The French have to be nearby. Maybe we can surrender to them.
wccawa on April 11, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Carter redux:
The thing is the Iranian student takeover of the US embassy took place late in Carter’s presidency. It kind of capped off his entire term as a summary event of his administration.
With Obama it happened at the beginning. His measure has already been taken.
Unfortunately, there are still plenty of Americans to be outraged at their countryman being taken hostage and this is the sort of incident to wake people up.
INC on April 11, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Do an Entebbe style raid. Send in a pirate sytle boat with seals disguised as fake pirate reinforcements, with fake hostages.
diogenes on April 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB81470.htm
Another one? Us owned, Italian flagged tugboat with 16 crew.
Weakness or coincidence?
dhunter on April 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM
It’s true but seemingly that’s what the Dems actually want. Sen. Schumer actually said that the days of a “strong foreign policy are over with” (among other things like “traditional values) and he meant it as a good thing in his warped sense of what America should be.
Video 2:55 – 4:00 (I couldn’t stand to watch any more)
Yakko77 on April 11, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Obama and his disciples have a cluster going here. I hope it haunts them forever. They deserve it.
ORconservative on April 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Its a pretty good troll silencer for sure….
Its killing them how lame obama is.
hes not cutting it!
Sonosam on April 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM
[being an enclosed lifeboat]
That makes it even tougher.
csdeven on April 11, 2009 at 12:40 AM
That’s , in part, why I suggested in my 4:44 post that if we can make that lifeboat mysteriously spring a leak it could work to our advantage. If everyone has to be on deck it could give us the upper hand. A big “could” but better than Zero’s usual “let’s do nothing” policy.
viking01 on April 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM
I like that plan. A 18V Makita drill with a 3″ hole saw from underneath would just about do the trick.
csdeven on April 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Gosh y’all have awesome ideas! Where do we email them to, due to sheer incompetence? Sneak them in several boxes of pizza?
ProudPalinFan on April 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM
csdeven on April 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM
I’m suggesting (and hopefully obvious to most serious people here) something far more covert and less detectable such as timed (applied at night activated at day) thermal to weaken or buckle a seam thus depriving the hijacked craft of maneuverability, buoyancy and reducing the habitable space to the top of the craft. Sure, a bullet into the hull would work as too yet provoke a quick end to Phillips. Of course, we could raise a sub under it and provoke a panic reaction by the thugs who are bound to be of limited brightness and established brazenness.
Sometimes it is better to act than navel-gazing, twiddling of thumbs and showing more self-doubt now working to the pirates’ advantage and Capt. Phillips disadvantage. Captain Phillips has shown some resolve. It’s time we did.
viking01 on April 11, 2009 at 11:20 PM
The aircraft on board will be Marine Corps aircraft as we’re talking about a gator freighter. I would suspect that the Boxer is part of an MEU so there are at least 2 other ships with her.
jdkchem on April 12, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Getting them to abandon the craft is the ideal situation but how do you do that without attracting suspicion? Damaging the hull is great but not realistic.
jdkchem on April 12, 2009 at 12:39 AM
jdkchem on April 12, 2009 at 12:39 AM
It’s just an idea. Nothing more. Something to make those on board visible while reducing the drift of the lifeboat towards the pirates’ base.
Unfortunately, the lifeboat is drifting ever closer to Gara’ad the pirates’ haven so it soon will be past time for any water based rescue strategies to remain realistic. Once Phillips is on the pirates’ home base his chances won’t be very good at all. Apparently, the negotiations with the pirates have now broken down as they see Obama’s procrastination or obstruction to a chain of command which would be less to their advantage with an adult in the White House.
viking01 on April 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I should also have added that I’m not suggesting the lifeboat be sunk or to cause it to be abandoned only to reduce its seaworthiness as a defensive position and to eliminate habitation below decks. Being a lifeboat it is certain to have a high degree of reserve buoyancy to remain afloat even if largely submerged.
viking01 on April 12, 2009 at 1:03 AM
The “hostage” IS America.The “pirates” are China,Russia and worst of all radical islam.
Do the math.
spareadime on April 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM
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