Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on April 9, 2009 by Allahpundit

“For that reason, to pick up on my previous column, creating same-sex marriage – even if the dirty deed is done legislatively as in Vermont – will erode democracy. And not just because of the near-inevitability that the policies of a few liberal states will eventually be foisted on the nation via the courts and the coming demise of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Sexual license is already joining with other moral lapses – like lying to mortgage brokers – to produce social breakdown and economic disaster. Which in turn have opened the door wide for government to step in with misguided, heavy-handed and counterproductive strategies that rob freedom and reward the morally bankrupt at the expense of the principled and productive.”

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“It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement! It is my intention to point out that the success of the sexual revolution is inversely proportional to the decline in morality; and it is the decline of morality (and the faith that so often under girds it) that is the underlying cause of our modern day epidemic of mass murders.”

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DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM

The links AP posted do that very well. And did you see my link at 11:26pm?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Jag…

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so.

The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Perhaps that he had a sense of humor?

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Indeed.

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:36 PM

In any case, your whole argument that I blame homosexual marriage for all the world’s problems is, uh, lacking credibility, sir.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM

“Gay Marriage: Killing the Republic” — Maistros

BTW, Maistros is right. I’ve already emailed this post around. God save us from ourselves.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Yeah, you go with that…

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:36 PM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Interesting, and thanks for linking, but I think that the rate of child molestation is probably equal amongst gays and straights.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:36 PM

If we CHANGE the definition of marriage to be more inclusive now, how will we refuse the polygamists & the incestuous & those practicing bestiality later?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:37 PM

“Gay Marriage: Killing the Republic” — Maistros

Yes, the headline is kinda deceptive, since the article said that it only adds to the nation’s immorality. I wonder if some editor put up that headline.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 PM

I could care less about polygamy, to be honest. And no, your link earlier didn’t establish much… I have already noted that “homosexual” pedophilia has little to do with sexual orientation. Pedophilia has much deeper psychological roots than sexual orientation.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 PM


That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds,
snakes, an aeroplanes, Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn – world
serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed
it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, Ladder
start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire
in a fire, representing seven games, a government
for hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in
a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team
by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh,
overflow, population, common food, but it’ll do. Save
yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic,
patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty
psyched.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Social issues should be deferred to states. Conservative candidates should run on fiscal responsibility and strong defense.

Socmodfiscon on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM

If we CHANGE the definition of marriage to be more inclusive now, how will we refuse the polygamists & the incestuous & those practicing bestiality later?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Sorry again, Jag…but that’s just ridiculous. Marriage, by definition, would still be between TWO consenting adults. The only part that changes is “man & woman”…which, in reality, doesn’t even change…

People probably said “If you let women vote, next thing you know we’ll have to let cows and chickens vote too!”

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I care about polygamy; the thought of more than one wife nagging me gives me the shivers.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM

There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults,

Preposterous. There was a female PE teacher this week busted in the PHX area.

and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.

So preposterous that no explanation is needed.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Civil unions for everyone. Marriage in the church.

Socmodfiscon on April 9, 2009 at 11:42 PM

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM

C’mon, you can do better than that…can’t you? Think about what you just wrote.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Civil unions for everyone. Marriage in the church.

Socmodfiscon on April 9, 2009 at 11:42 PM

So no marriage for atheists, then?

Kensington on April 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM

It is much worse than you think…

Mr. Joe on April 9, 2009 at 11:45 PM

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Anticipating your insistence, I’ll respond.
It’s the slippery slope/camel’s nose argument.
Women are infinitely superior to cows (even if they happen to resemble each other).

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Marriage, by definition, would still be between TWO consenting adults. The only part that changes is “man & woman”…which, in reality, doesn’t even change…

Why can’t it be more than two people? DaveS says he has no problem with polygamy, if he decided he wanted two wives and everyone agreed, why couldn’t it be so?

Who invented the “definition” of marriage, the same people who invented the idea that blacks aren’t as “human” as whites?

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM

So no marriage for atheists, then?

Kensington on April 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Apparently.
The whole idea of the activists is to weaken & destroy the institution of marriage.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:47 PM

So no marriage for atheists, then?

Kensington on April 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Atheists don’t need to get married as they have no fear of afterlife reward or punishment so they just take whatever they want whenever they want, or so I am told.

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:47 PM

So no marriage for atheists, then?

Nope, sorry. No God, no peace. Know God, know peace.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Women are infinitely superior to cows (even if they happen to resemble each other).

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Whoa. Please explain if you don’t mind.

sherry on April 9, 2009 at 11:48 PM

C’mon, you can do better than that…can’t you? Think about what you just wrote.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Hey…I’m making the same argument you are.

There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults,

Preposterous. There was a female PE teacher this week busted in the PHX area.

and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual

.

So preposterous that no explanation is needed.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Don’t just say “preposterous”…back it up with a little evidence.

Sure, there’s always exceptions to the rule…think about that.

And I can name a half a dozen straight women teachers who were busted in the last couple years for sleeping with their underage boy students. Certainly beats out one lesbian gym teacher…

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Whoa. Please explain if you don’t mind.

I’m sorry. Bad attempt at humor. The truth is, I’m more bovine than any woman.
How’s that for a “mesa” culpa? (little dig at JetBoy there)
: P

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Women are infinitely superior to cows

Eh, cows don’t ask for diamonds all the time.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Why can’t it be more than two people? DaveS says he has no problem with polygamy, if he decided he wanted two wives and everyone agreed, why couldn’t it be so?

Who invented the “definition” of marriage, the same people who invented the idea that blacks aren’t as “human” as whites?

If someone wants to get married in a church and have a “marriage” that’s their prerogative, and it will be defined as they and their church define it.

If 2 gay men, or 2 gay men and a woman, or 5 people want to enter into some contract by which they effectively become a single legal entity with respect to property, finances, etc–like a marriage–that’s their right.

The whole idea that there is a need to define “marriage” is silly to me.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM

And I can name a half a dozen straight women teachers who were busted in the last couple years for sleeping with their underage boy students. Certainly beats out one lesbian gym teacher…

I said one lesbian “this week”.
In response to your it-never-happens quote.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM

The whole idea of the activists is to weaken & destroy the institution of marriage.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:47 PM

No, the whole idea of the activists is to get you to quit treating them like animals.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:53 PM

No, the whole idea of the activists is to get you to quit treating them like animals.

Name one person I’ve treated like an animal, please.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM

The whole idea that there is a need to define “marriage” is silly to me.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I agree.

Marriage is defined by the church that marries you. Marriage is a concept created by spirituality, not by the state.

Therefore, if a church marries you, I don’t see why the state shouldn’t give you the license. If your church won’t marry you, find one that will. Yes, I’m including pagan rituals like hand-fasting.

MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:50 PM

You’re right – bad attempt. Humor is an art form done well by very few. Ask Joe Biden.

sherry on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Marriage is defined by the church that marries you. Marriage is a concept created by spirituality, not by the state.

Therefore, if a church marries you, I don’t see why the state shouldn’t give you the license. If your church won’t marry you, find one that will. Yes, I’m including pagan rituals like hand-fasting.

MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Yeah, but MadCon, if you take marriage and make it strictly a religious entity, the state wouldn’t be able to give the legal benefits and rights associated with it. That would amount to preferential treatment towards religion.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

I’ve got Bob Maistros in my “next Republican to get caught soliciting sex in a bathroom stall” pool. Easy money.

RightOFLeft on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

OK, DaveS, I’m going now, but I’m sure you’ll appropriately respond to my challenge, & I’ll see it in the morning. Good night, all.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Yeah, but MadCon, if you take marriage and make it strictly a religious entity, the state wouldn’t be able to give the legal benefits and rights associated with it. That would amount to preferential treatment towards religion.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Good point, but at the same time, it’s not any specific religion. Hell, Paganism isn’t even technically a religion. I prefer the idea of knocking out marriage altogether, reducing it to civil unions, and leaving the spirituality of the commitment up to the individuals.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:01 AM

It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement!

RINO!

radiofreevillage on April 10, 2009 at 12:02 AM

If 2 gay men, or 2 gay men and a woman, or 5 people want to enter into some contract by which they effectively become a single legal entity with respect to property, finances, etc–like a marriage–that’s their right.
The whole idea that there is a need to define “marriage” is silly to me.

So should the federal government abolish the preferential tax measures which are given to “married” people or keep them?

Bishop on April 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Good point, but at the same time, it’s not any specific religion. Hell, Paganism isn’t even technically a religion. I prefer the idea of knocking out marriage altogether, reducing it to civil unions, and leaving the spirituality of the commitment up to the individuals.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:01 AM

But at that point, it’s simply about semantics. I mean, I don’t care if gay marriage is still called civil unions…but gay marriage has to afford the same rights and benefits as “traditional” marriage does.

ack…off to beddie.

My unofficial theme song, I leave y’all with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VE6sKlhuHQ

JetBoy on April 10, 2009 at 12:05 AM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Ah yes. Another brave keyboard commando expecting conservatives to take his opinions seriously, while trashing the man who arguably did the most to advance American conservatism as a political movement.

Barry Goldwater was a giant of the movement. You are, until you prove otherwise, a troll.

You want us to take your bass-ackwards ideas the least bit seriously? Try recognizing those whose greatness you can never hope to match for what it is.

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Get some of the social cons going hard enough, and they’ll renounce Reagan if it suits their argument. Sadly, it’s happened here.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:10 AM

You must be new to this site, jga is definitely not a troll.

Bishop on April 10, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Good point, but at the same time, it’s not any specific religion. Hell, Paganism isn’t even technically a religion. I prefer the idea of knocking out marriage altogether, reducing it to civil unions, and leaving the spirituality of the commitment up to the individuals.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:01 AM

But at that point, it’s simply about semantics. I mean, I don’t care if gay marriage is still called civil unions…but gay marriage has to afford the same rights and benefits as “traditional” marriage does.

Jetboy i think thats the idea. In the eyes of the state 2 people ‘unionized’ or 10 people ‘unionized’ makes no difference. They will pay their taxes the same way, they will have all the rights afforded as long as you ante up the $ per person to put them in the docs. I see no problem with that. If you want to get married, find a church.

If you want tax benifits, go stand in line at the courthouse and pay whatever your state decides is the proper fee.

Yngmarine on April 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Simmer down, there, pup.

Just because you disagree with someone does not make them a troll.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM

I have no problem with gays having certain rights like inheritance, next of kin in medical situations, contracts..
But, marriage should be reserved for one man and one woman. To me, the problems we are seeing in this country are originating from the degradation of the traditional family unit. A child deserves to have a mother and a father in a home that are devoted to each other and their child.

TXMomof3 on April 10, 2009 at 12:16 AM

I have to tell you I am shocked at so many so called conservatives who think there is nothing wrong with gay marriage??? This is sickening!!

A nation and a civilization cannot simply accept everything…a people that will accept everything will fall for everything…evidently, even many in the center right will fall for these wicked acts!!

I wonder…how many of you are tolerant of ex gays???

Truly, we are in evil times and most of you are just yukking it up….

AND none of you that support such evil can DARE to deny muslims there right to polygamy which has far FAR FAR greater historical roots…

What are you going to do when the Muslims start demanding this guys??

Won’t be so funny then right….some ‘conservatives’ you people are!

Albertanator on April 10, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Marriage should be left to the states.

Newagegop on April 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Albertanator on April 10, 2009 at 12:24 AM

You’re absolutely right. We must deal with these trying-*snort*

Sorry, couldn’t do it. You’re funny.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:28 AM

People in this country are too scared to say anything that might be viewed as politically incorrect. At some point this has to stop. When they are pushing this stuff about how Timmy has two daddy’s on my young children, it has gone to far. I should not have to explain things like this to my children. You know, I was an extremely sheltered child, it is too bad my kids won’t survive childhood with their innocence intact.

TXMomof3 on April 10, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Leonard Bernstein.

juanito on April 10, 2009 at 12:32 AM

What is his significance? I looked him up.

TXMomof3 on April 10, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Just because you disagree with someone does not make them a troll.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM

It has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him. Hell, when the commentariat disagrees, that’s when things get interesting.

The man trashed Goldwater, accusing him of having no conscience. Not that he disagreed with him. Not that his stance on homosexuality was wrong, or even destructive. That he had no conscience!

Goldwater was godfather to us all. Without him, there is no conservative movement, libertarian, Christian, anti-communist or any other variation. We start allowing our heroes to be trashed, then what do we have left?

Goldwater laid it all on the line for this movement and for this country, and his record is part of our history. Anyone is free to disagree with any part of his philosophy or record, but to accuse the man of having no conscience is, quite simply, unconscionable.

If jgapinoy would like to post his c.v. so we can determine his level of heroism to this movement, then I’ll be glad to retract my statement. Until then, such trollism is worthy only of Kossacks.

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:37 AM

and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM

That is odviously the stupidist statement I have ever heard. “Homosexuality refers to attraction or sexual behavior between people of the same sex”".

Johan Klaus on April 10, 2009 at 12:44 AM

What is his significance? I looked him up.

TXMomof3 on April 10, 2009 at 12:36 AM

That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane – Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn – world serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height, down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn’t coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common group, but it’ll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
reverent in the right – right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o’clock – TV hour. Don’t get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning, blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle, light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh, this means no fear – cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mount St. Edelite.

Leonard Bernstein.

Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic, slam, but neck, right? Right.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine…fine…

(It’s time I had some time alone)

juanito on April 10, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Oh, brother…why am I still up…

That is odviously the stupidist statement I have ever heard. “Homosexuality refers to attraction or sexual behavior between people of the same sex””.

Johan Klaus on April 10, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Just look at history…the Kabuki in feudal Japan saw hetero men…Samuri…cavorting with boys. Those men weren’t gay. In ancient Greece, it was normal for straight men to have a “boy toy”.

Jetboy i think thats the idea. In the eyes of the state 2 people ‘unionized’ or 10 people ‘unionized’ makes no difference. They will pay their taxes the same way, they will have all the rights afforded as long as you ante up the $ per person to put them in the docs. I see no problem with that. If you want to get married, find a church.

If you want tax benifits, go stand in line at the courthouse and pay whatever your state decides is the proper fee.

Yngmarine on April 10, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Hey…I can agree with that. It’s all about “equal” treatment under the law. Absolutely not “special” treatment.

JetBoy on April 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Let me refresh your memory:

What does the secretary quote tell you? He can’t be trusted–he’d break his vows to his wife, so why wouldn’t he break any other promise?

Perhaps that he had a sense of humor?

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I disagreed with the inference jgapinoy made too, but I fail to see how that rises to the level of trolling. I think you are reading way too much into an off-the-cuff remark he made in a hastily-written reply to MB4′s Goldwater post.

Lighten up with the histrionics, or you are worse than Hitler.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 12:51 AM

If 2 gay men, or 2 gay men and a woman, or 5 people want to enter into some contract by which they effectively become a single legal entity with respect to property, finances, etc–like a marriage–that’s their right.

The whole idea that there is a need to define “marriage” is silly to me.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:52 PM

It’s interesting that marriage tends to define itself as a man and a woman, time and again, in cultures and religious traditions across the world. There are exceptions, of course, but for the vast majority of the time humans have organized into civilizations, the one man + one woman model has been predominant, particularly among the middle and lower levels of various societies. Maroon seven men and six women on an island, and odds are good they’ll form into several married couples eventually, plus maybe a couple of swingers and a beta male.

Obviously one could point to the rigors of pre-industrial life as a powerful incentive to form traditional families, with the partners helping each other to survive and raise children, but the traditional marriage persisted as the norm far beyond the development of technology that largely removed the survival issue… and in the modern Western state, a great deal of the child-rearing is done by government school and hired professional caretakers, with the state eager to step in and take over more of those duties. Still, even in the increasingly transformed America of 2009, there is strong support – not merely political but cultural and philosophical – for the traditional marriage. The current challenge to the traditional concept of marriage is a very recent phenomenon, and didn’t really develop its current energy until after the no-fault divorce revolution had swept through America in the 70s, hard on the heels of the sexual revolution in the 60s. Each of these things has led to the other, in a parade of deconstruction that leaves social conservatives in the 2000s scrambling to defend things that were regarded as obvious truths in the early 60s. When the proponents of gay marriage point to astronomical divorce rates and say the traditional marriage isn’t what it used to be, they’re not wrong.

Leaving questions of religious faith and morality out of the discussion, the purely social problem with these alternative marriage arrangements is that they can only gain credibility by stripping away the special status of the traditional marriage. Society can only strongly favor so many things, and you can’t bestow societal approval on 5 men marrying 3 women without devaluing the marriages between 1 man and 1 woman. You don’t have to denigrate gay people in committed relationships to maintain a high regard for the sanctity of the traditional marriage… but you do have to strip away the sanctity of that traditional marriage in order to elevate that committed gay relationship to the status of a “marriage.” I would certainly agree that the modern divorce culture has reduced our reverence for traditional marriage, but officially sanctioned alternative marriage arrangements will kill it altogether – if any group of people, of any sex, can declare they are “married,” then what’s so special about Bob and Martha sticking together through three kids and celebrating their 50th anniversary together?

I don’t think our civilization can long survive the devolution of the traditional marriage – it is too valuable to a healthy, free society. In a world of rapidly shifting business and personal relationships, it is the only lifetime commitment we still aspire to; the only opportunity for the modern man to understand fidelity and the concept of a sacred oath is when he swears one to his wife.

Marriage nourishes children, not just by providing for their material needs, but by bringing them into the embrace of tradition and the past. At its best, marriage gives children an incredible example of the triumph of love, devotion, and courage over crude biology and the elaborate temptations of comfortable modern life. It is the building block of a free society, giving birth to the authority that runs from family to clan to community to nation. It is noble precisely because it is a powerful denial of lesser urges… a remarkably adult thing to do, in a world that enables lifetimes of childish, selfish behavior. Adolescent fantasies always begin by removing Mom and Dad from the picture. The devolution of American society since the 60s has been one long adolescent fantasy, in which no one ever has to grow up, honor women instead of using them, deny their immediate urges, or take responsibility for the future.

America has spent the last four months forging chains for its children, writing fat checks and tossing them into the crib for the kids to take care of them. Men marrying men, men marrying a possee of women, or random groups of people marrying each other will not be able to raise the children of sobriety and industry it will take to clear up the disaster their weak and self-indulgent parents have left for them. I can see why the Left is so eager to shovel dirt over traditional marriage: all these alternative arrangements will have the inevitable result of leaving a sea of confused kids for the State to raise, and then all the alternative parents can scurry away before someone makes them stand in front of their children and take responsibility for what we’ve done to their birthright.

Doctor Zero on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Lighten up with the histrionics, or you are worse than Hitler.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Point. 15-love.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Lighten up with the histrionics, or you are worse than Hitler.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time I’d been accused of that.

(Of being worse than Hitler, I mean… never been accused of histrionics.)

JohnGalt23 on April 10, 2009 at 12:59 AM

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2009 at 12:56 AM

You know it’s the end times when you start paraphrasing Gutfeld.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Doctor Zero on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

If you aren’t published, you should be.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Sex kills?
Good to know.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Yes, but in this Internet age there are large numbers of people with voracious appetites for porn who are not mass murderers.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Tell that to their poor hands. Murder, I tells you. Murder.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 PM

LOVE R.E.M.!!!!!!!

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Speaking purely in scientific terms and ignoring the philosophical/moral ramifications, Homosexuality is clearly a genetic flaw. Reproduction is impossible within such a relationship and as that is the point of sexual activity in the first place gays are “broken” in a sense.

However, everyone alive has flawed genetics. I personally have a birth defect and that certainly doesn’t decrease my humanity or my rights. I just don’t like people who pretend Homosexuality is normal. Of course I also don’t like people who think being normal is in of itself a good thing.

Of course this all assumes homosexuality is mostly biological in origin. Which is probably not the case, as the causes behind human behavior are extremely complex. Being gay is likely a combination of both genetics and experience with the role each plays varying from person to person.

Kronos on April 10, 2009 at 1:18 AM

LOVE R.E.M.!!!!!!!

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Heck yeah. Rapid eye movement totally rocks, dude.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Although I am against it, in large part because we are suppose to have a representative for of government and judges are not suppose to be gods, I really don’t think that a few thousand gays getting married will bring on the end of civilization; other things might, but I doubt that would. I also object to gay marriage as it is an assault on the language. When Gottlieb Daimler (or whomever it was) invented the automobile he didn’t call it a Ship as the name for that mode of transportation was already taken and when the Wright Bros. invented a flying machine they didn’t call it an automobile as the name for that mode of transportation was already taken, so likewise Gays need to come up with another name for their mode of commitment/sex, maybe gayiage or civil union or something. Call it a banana, something, anything, as marriage already is taken.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:21 AM

JetBoy on April 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM

One more time. “Homosexuality refers to attraction or sexual behavior between people of the same sex””. Maybe German? “Homosexualität bezieht sich auf das Verhalten oder der sexuellen Anziehung zwischen Menschen des gleichen Geschlechts”. How about Spanish. “La homosexualidad se refiere a la atracción o el comportamiento sexual entre personas del mismo sexo”. French. “L’homosexualité fait référence à l’attraction ou le comportement sexuel entre personnes de même sexe». Italian! “L’omosessualità si riferisce al comportamento sessuale o di attrazione tra persone dello stesso sesso”.

Johan Klaus on April 10, 2009 at 1:21 AM

LOVE R.E.M.!!!!!!!

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Heck yeah. Rapid eye movement totally rocks, dude.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Your overalls are falling off, hillbilly.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Next stop for the US downfall, the Netherlands.

We’ll be on par with rampant drug use, prostitution, low self esteem, and that muslim thingy where it’s best not to, well say, write or do anything to piss them off. Lest you get killed.

Let’s see, we got same sex marriage, in several states, and in New Jersey, you can marry a toaster.

When will the other groups present their marriage demands?
Marrying Animals, multiple wives/husbands, garden gnomes, inflatable plastic devices, you name it, they’re entitled to the same rights and privileges.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM

Of course this all assumes homosexuality is mostly biological in origin. Which is probably not the case, as the causes behind human behavior are extremely complex. Being gay is likely a combination of both genetics and experience with the role each plays varying from person to person.

Kronos on April 10, 2009 at 1:18 AM

In a battle between nature and nurture, nature usually dominates.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:26 AM

Your overalls are falling off, hillbilly.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Heh.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM

There’s no future in same-sex marriage.

There’s procreation and anticreation.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:29 AM

There’s no future in same-sex marriage.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:29 AM

With The One now in charge, the future is overrated.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Your overalls are falling off, hillbilly.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Heh.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM

Looks like Daisy Mae’s safety may also be overrated.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Doctor Zero on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

You really should start your own blog. Every comment you make is blog-worthy, and this one in particular was beautiful.

What a dreadful descent this country is undergoing.

Kensington on April 10, 2009 at 1:34 AM

Your overalls are falling off, hillbilly.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Heh.

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM
Looks like Daisy Mae’s safety may also be overrated.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Is that Dunlap from RedStateUpdate’s little sister?

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Looks like Daisy Mae’s safety may also be overrated.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Leave my sheep out of this!

hillbillyjim on April 10, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Note to JetBoy: you gave up HotAir for Lent, right?

Lent’s not over.

Kensington on April 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Is that Dunlap from RedStateUpdate’s little sister?

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Huh?

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM

I think that Daisy Mae is Hillbilly Jim’s cousin.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:38 AM

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Overrated,
Over Stimulated,
Over Dosed,
Over Undered,
Over and Outed

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Is that Dunlap from RedStateUpdate’s little sister?

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:35 AM
Huh?

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM

Redstateupdate, it’s a couple of uh, redne, uh no, country like people that talk about politics.

HornetSting on April 10, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Note to JetBoy: you gave up HotAir for Lent, right?

Lent’s not over.

Kensington on April 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM

I think that JetBoy gave up women for Lent.

MB4 on April 10, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Doctor Zero on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

At least copyright your posts. Your writings are insightful.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:46 AM

“The underlying problem is that increasingly we live in a ‘post-Christian’ society, where Judeo-Christian faith and values have less and less influence. Among other things, Judaism and Christianity taught that murder was wrong and that included murder motivated by anger, hatred and revenge. Both religions also taught that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves and to forgive others.

Where did American morals originate?

What has the standard for American morals been for hundreds of years?

What was the result of the firm institution of Christian morals in every segment of American society until the liberal revolution?

Which came first, liberalism or amorality?

Speakup on April 10, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Which came first, liberalism or amorality?

Speakup on April 10, 2009 at 1:47 AM

It seems many great societies go through these up’s and down’s.

The latter years of the Roman Empire comes to mind.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:51 AM

At least copyright your posts. Your writings are insightful.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Everything we write on the net has copyright.

msmveritas on April 10, 2009 at 1:53 AM

Doctor Zero on April 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM

It’s interesting that marriage tends to define itself as a man and a woman, time and again … for the vast majority of the time humans have organized into civilizations, the one man + one woman model has been predominant

I don’t mean to be dismissive of the work you put into that comment, but… SO WHAT? And again:

…the purely social problem with these alternative marriage arrangements is that they can only gain credibility by stripping away the special status of the traditional marriage.

If you allow the state to dictate to you what is credible and has special status, then you need to do some self-examination.

And by granting the state that power, you lose the argument, because you are giving the state the authority to give any concept legitimacy in your own mind. You lose the debate over whether gay marriage is legitimate by virtue of the fact that the state says it is so.

That is pathetic. Have a little self-respect, and take ownership of your own intellect.

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 1:54 AM

Yeah, but MadCon, if you take marriage and make it strictly a religious entity, the state wouldn’t be able to give the legal benefits and rights associated with it. That would amount to preferential treatment towards religion.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 PM

What “legal benefits and rights”? There is no reason why the state should have any concept of special rights or benefits… if two (or more) adults want to enter a legal contract, that’s their business and nobody else’s, and certainly isn’t the state’s business.

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM

I’ve actually done quite a bit of research on the children of single mothers, gay couples, etc. I’ve also done a lot of research on how sexual abuse affects orientation, but I won’t go into all that here. Whether or not its gays or whore-ish straights, sexual immorality definitely impacts negatively.

I do, however, take issue with this:

The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM

An adult male who molests young boys may not identify as homosexual, but by virtue of the fact that a male is seeking out other males for sexual gratification is definitely a signifier of his homosexuality, regardless of whether he’s single, married to a woman, has a girlfriend, etc.

haikusrock on April 10, 2009 at 1:57 AM

msmveritas on April 10, 2009 at 1:53 AM

I think there should be an Environmental Impact study on same sex marriage before they can be enacted.

Kini on April 10, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Which came first, liberalism or amorality?

Speakup on April 10, 2009 at 1:47 AM

If you’re concerned that you may behave immorally, you should just not do that!

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 1:58 AM

FWIW, I don’t like gay marriage for the same reason I don’t think much of deliberate choice single parenting – the child is denied the opportunity for a close, parental relationship with the missing gender because the adults are more concerned with their own particular needs. And I don’t agree that friends or relatives can fill that gap completely, especially when trying to replace a mother. Biology has tied both sexes to the creation of children and ignoring the importance of the special relationships that all cultures have labeled “father” and “mother” because it is inconvenient for your personal vision just seems selfish to me. (And, no, traditional marriage isn’t perfect but that fact hasn’t stopped it from being the basis of most societies for millennia.)

inmypajamas on April 10, 2009 at 2:00 AM

An adult male who molests young boys may not identify as homosexual, but by virtue of the fact that a male is seeking out other males for sexual gratification is definitely a signifier of his homosexuality…
haikusrock on April 10, 2009 at 1:57 AM

No, it isn’t. It is a signifier of his state of being a pedophile.

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM

“It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement!

Of course not. You are saving that contention for an even slower news day.

highhopes on April 10, 2009 at 2:03 AM

FWIW, I don’t like gay marriage for the same reason I don’t think much of deliberate choice single parenting – the child is denied the opportunity for a close, parental relationship with the missing gender because the adults are more concerned with their own particular needs

Oh, so you don’t like gay adoption.

Marriage and adoption are not the same thing. An adoption is when they become the legal guardians of an unwnated kid who has no family. Marriage is when the state confers a legal status upon them which gives them some financial and legal benefits.

There is no reason why any sane, rational person would oppose the latter (marriage). And yes, I mean that. The people here who are opposed to “marriage” (to the extent that they state should even be involved) are irrational or insane.

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 2:04 AM

No, it isn’t. It is a signifier of his state of being a pedophile.

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM

Yes, absolutely. A homosexual that is a pedophile. I’m not even suggesting a causal relationship (homosexual = pedophile), but there seems to be resistance to calling homosexuals pedophiles because it blends with the argument a lot of people have about homosexuals being perverted.

To say that a pedophile’s victim’s gender is irrelevant to his or her life is ridiculous. Of course it’s relevant.

All I’m saying is that an adult male who molests boys is a homosexual (and a pedophile) regardless of how he publicly identifies (and vice versa for a female pedophile who molests girls).

haikusrock on April 10, 2009 at 2:05 AM

highhopes on April 10, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Of course not. You are saving that contention for an even slower news day.

Do you know what a “quote” is?

DaveS on April 10, 2009 at 2:05 AM

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