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posted at 10:30 pm on April 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“For that reason, to pick up on my previous column, creating same-sex marriage – even if the dirty deed is done legislatively as in Vermont – will erode democracy. And not just because of the near-inevitability that the policies of a few liberal states will eventually be foisted on the nation via the courts and the coming demise of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Sexual license is already joining with other moral lapses – like lying to mortgage brokers – to produce social breakdown and economic disaster. Which in turn have opened the door wide for government to step in with misguided, heavy-handed and counterproductive strategies that rob freedom and reward the morally bankrupt at the expense of the principled and productive.”

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“It most certainly is not my intention to blame the epidemic of mass murders on the gay rights movement! It is my intention to point out that the success of the sexual revolution is inversely proportional to the decline in morality; and it is the decline of morality (and the faith that so often under girds it) that is the underlying cause of our modern day epidemic of mass murders.”


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I knew it! I predicted AP would put this in QOTD!

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM

You like toying with us, don’t you Allahpundit?

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM

BTW, Maistros is right. I’ve already emailed this post around. God save us from ourselves.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM

The decline of Obama`s Roman Temple Pillars of Moral
Values that can only be understood through the Liberal
eyes of Barney Frank,

me thinks!!

canopfor on April 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I am opposed to connecting Glenn Beck to murderers and I am opposed to connecting gay marriage and advances in individual freedom to mass murders.

What next? Repeal civil rights legislation because blacks are technically more likely to be criminals? We don’t deny people freedom because of the consequences that that freedom might come with. We give freedom in spite of the consequences. Let me correct myself: We don’t give freedom. God gave us freedom. It is our job to defend it. Banning guns would almost certainly result in less murders. Banning cars would result in less drunk driving deaths. Banning fried food would result in less cardiac arrests each year. Doesn’t. Matter. Freedom is something that, so long as we live under the constitution, the government has no right and no authority to deny us, and any time they do, they are acting in a very bad manner.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Re. the second link, look at all of the mass murderers who have been found to have voracious appetites for every kind of porn.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM

BTW, Maistros is right. I’ve already emailed this post around. God save us from ourselves.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Maistros column is great.

INC on April 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

You like toying with us, don’t you Allahpundit?

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM

He would do this even if he didn’t make $7.94 an hour.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Re. the second link, look at all of the mass murderers who have been found to have voracious appetites for every kind of porn.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Sure, and if they lived in a society that didn’t force them to feel overwhelming shame and guilt for that appetite, maybe they would have been able to express themselves in a healthy manner and not result in getting one too many wires crossed which led to the murders.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM

This obsession with gay marriage and the ridiculous logic by which it is tied to all of the worlds ills is getting pretty creepy to me.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Dude…900 comments by the time I get up tomorrow. Minimum.

flipflop on April 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Re. the second link, look at all of the mass murderers who have been found to have voracious appetites for every kind of porn.

Correlation, causation, and all that…

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Re. the second link, look at all of the mass murderers who have been found to have voracious appetites for every kind of porn.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Yes, but in this Internet age there are large numbers of people with voracious appetites for porn who are not mass murderers.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

There is so much wrong with what you said that I don’t know where it would be productive to start.

AnotherOpinion on April 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM

That day the Times also ran an op ed article by Charles M. Blow who expressed concern about the negative impact that conservative media’s “talk of revolution” could have on “weak minds.”

From the Peters article. There is a new war in America; the War Against Conservative Opinion (WACO).

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Will someone walk me through this, please? The mechanics? The gay couple next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how? Cosmic rays or quantum entanglement or something?

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 10:44 PM

The maestro is stirring up the yahoos.

benny shakar on April 9, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I gotta say…

I’m so, so, so sick of people blaming gays for “moral decline” and *gasp* murder.

And don’t even get me going on the Evangelicals.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:45 PM

“Sexual license is already joining with other moral lapses – like government forcing by regulation banks and lying to mortgage brokers to lend money to people who couldn’t pay it back under Liberal Democratic Social Engineering policies which eventually financed the Democratic Party – to produce social breakdown and economic disaster that they used, with a compliant media, to take total control of the government, and in turn, the beginning of our destruction.”

Fixed it for him…………

Seven Percent Solution on April 9, 2009 at 10:46 PM

That day the Times also ran an op-ed article by Charles M
Blow,who expressed concern about the negative impact that
conservative media`s,

”talk of revolution”could have on ”weak minds”.
———————————-

And again,as per usual typical talkin point Liberals,
its the RightWing Airways!

Umm,Liberals,look into a mirror,its YOU and OBAMA!!!

canopfor on April 9, 2009 at 10:47 PM

The gay couple next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?

Because on the monthly wife-swap night, at least one person is going to be put in a very difficult situation.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 10:48 PM

I’m so, so, so sick of people blaming gays for “moral decline” and *gasp* murder.

Do a lotta lotta people blame gays for murder, because I’m not hearing about it very often.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

There is so much wrong with what you said that I don’t know think where it would be productive to even try start.

AnotherOpinion on April 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM

thomasaur on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

The gay couple next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?

Coming soon…
The siblings next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?
The threesome next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?
The man & chimp next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

It’s the end of the world as we know it

This is the dawning of the Age of Insanity
Age of Insanity
Insanity! Insanity!

Scapegoating and misunderstanding
Angst and Drama Queens abounding
So many hysterical derisions
Dark dreams for visions
Psychotic induced revelation
And the mind’s true hibernation
Insanity! Insanity!

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM

I’m so, so, so sick of people blaming gays for “moral decline” and *gasp* murder.

He said there’s no direct link. It’s like dominoes, dude.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Well what else can poor Allahpundit link that you will agree with?
Since you are all followers of Glen Beck Jugaloos and Jugalettes now.

strangelet on April 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Changing the institution of marriage to accomodate homosexuality certainly doesn’t address the root cause of the problem. Why don’t they just invest some of the stimulus to research a cure?

Ted Torgerson on April 9, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Will someone walk me through this, please? The mechanics? The gay couple next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how? Cosmic rays or quantum entanglement or something?

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Dr Steve, I will give you my opinion on this. I lived next door to a gay couple for four years. They were two of the most awesome guys and made great neighbors. I had no issue with them living together or the relationship that they had. However, when the activism of gays begins to bleed into certain sacred institutions like marriage, then I oppose it. I am all for the civil unions, powers of attorney, etc. But the idea that marriage should be something that allows a liberal definition, diminishes the importance of the institution. One could make the argument that divorce has the same impact; perhaps it is so. There are some things in our society that should be protected, and marriage is one of them, in my opinion. I think our country has really accelerating regarding tolerance to gay lifestyles. As a Christian, I do not think it to be right, but we are all sinners. As I said before, the two neighbors were great people and I did not judge them for, what I saw as, sin because I have my sins.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Mass Murders are insane,connecting it to gay lifestyles
or Conservative talk radio,is just as insane!

More Liberal attempts at stirring the pot,sh-t distrubing,
and pitting more Americans against Americans!

It seems,the Liberal Party enjoys using its POWER to keep
America distracted,and in a continous neverending infighting!

I guess,that way,they think,nobody will notice their rapeing
and pillage of Lady Liberty!!

canopfor on April 9, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Do a lotta lotta people blame gays for murder, because I’m not hearing about it very often.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

We’re getting blamed for just about everything these days.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:56 PM

There is so much wrong with what you said that I don’t know where it would be productive to start.

AnotherOpinion on April 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Take a stab, buddy. I’m always interested in finding flaws in my logic.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Why don’t they just invest some of the stimulus to research a cure?

Try this.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The siblings next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?
The threesome next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?
The man & chimp next door are allowed to get married and this affects your marriage how?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Actually, none of those would affect my marriage. Marriage as a legal concept is stupid anyway.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Look. I’m Christian. I’m conservative. But this nonsense about gay marriage is ridiculous. If a church doesn’t want to provide the service then that’s fine. But my church isn’t the only religion in town and gay does not equal pervert. People need to get over this judgemental BS and give gays equal rights. I don’t like the extremist groups any more than anyone else and they need to stop the hate, but it’s wrong to expect them to stop if we continue.

People have a right to live, that’s what this country is based on. I am not going to force my views down someone elses throat and I don’t believe we as a nation should be denying basic freedoms like marriage to a group of people just because we don’t believe as they believe.

Gays are not murdering anyone. They just want to get married, adopt kids, build a future together with someone they care about and be allowed to care for each other in sickness and in health.

Comparing them to murderers and sexual deviants is wrong.

OK. Flame me.

BrideOfRove on April 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Try this.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM

There’s not a *facepalm* big enough for that one…

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Not falling for it AP, no gay bashing here. In light of more serious matters before our country, I’m not going to sink to the level of calling mentally ill people horrible, ego shattering names.

:p

Spiritk9 on April 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM

We’re getting blamed for just about everything these days.
JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Murder? You said you were so so tired of being blamed for murder; I’m just wondering who is saying you’re being blamed for killing people?

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 10:59 PM

JetBoy & canopfor, he said there’s no direct link. It’s like dominoes, dude.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Did you ever wonder why Reece’s Cups are getting smaller?

It’s the Joooooooos Homosekshuls.

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Or more correctly, being blamed for people being killed.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

. Let me correct myself: We don’t give freedom. God gave us freedom. It is our job to defend it. Banning guns would almost certainly result in less murders. Banning cars would result in less drunk driving deaths. Banning fried food would result in less cardiac arrests each year. Doesn’t. Matter. Freedom is something that, so long as we live under the constitution, the government has no right and no authority to deny us, and any time they do, they are acting in a very bad manner.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Freedom to do anything at all? What if a man wants to marry his horse and bestow on it all legal benefits? What about the guy who wants to have sex with 12-year-old girls? Who are YOU to impose YOUR moral views on such people? Who are YOU to determine when a child is emotionally mature enough to engage in sexual activity? Where do you draw the line?

You don’t. The line has been obliterated.

ddrintn on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

We’re getting blamed for just about everything these days.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:56 PM

That’s not true. I think the America of 2009 is so much more tolerant and open minded to the gay lifestyle. Just 50 years ago a gay person would never dream of being so open due to the stigma and social consequences. I have no problem with homosexual people; the activist are the ones that deserve the negativity. People are so much more likely to accept when it is not forced upon them. Don’t get me wrong, there is a legitimate cause for activism when the group is wronged. However, like with Prop 8, when the people vote on something, that should be the end of the matter.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Try this.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:57 PM

There’s not a *facepalm* big enough for that one…

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM

I said try it! Don’t just glance at the link!

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Do a lotta lotta people blame gays for murder, because I’m not hearing about it very often.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM

No they’re too busy blaming Glenn Beck and conservatives.

msmveritas on April 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

ha
ha
ha.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM

“When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, ‘Who is destroying the world? You are.

Francisco d’Anconia

Yes, I am hooked on Atlas Shrugged…

javamartini on April 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Or more correctly, being blamed for people being killed.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Lots of these threads here at HA have commenters saying the “gay lifestyle” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) is unhealthy to the point of high death rates and spreading disease. I know that doesn’t equate to first-degree murder…

JetBoy & canopfor, he said there’s no direct link. It’s like dominoes, dude.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 10:59 PM

What do you think his point he’s trying to make there tho?

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Who’s Reece, & why is his…never mind.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Freedom is something that, so long as we live under the constitution, the government has no right and no authority to deny us, and any time they do, they are acting in a very bad manner.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM

The rights that we have under the Constitution cover anything we want to do, as long as it’s not harmful. I can’t see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I think,this needs a Stimulus Bill,
throw a Trillion dollars,at the pointy
head Liberal acedemia,so they can make
recommendations,like,

talk of revolution will have on the mind`s of the weak!
(Sarc).

canopfor on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Not just homosexuals, it’s like Bork wrote, it’s Slouching Toward Gomorrah, a general trend of immorality that’s dragging us down, & mass murder is a symptom.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Didn’t Goldwater write “The =Lack of= Conscience of a Conservative Libertarian”?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

The rights that we have under the Constitution cover anything we want to do, as long as it’s not harmful. I can’t see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:04 PM

True, but gays aren’t being banned.

ddrintn on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Lots of these threads here at HA have commenters saying the “gay lifestyle” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) is unhealthy to the point of high death rates and spreading disease. I know that doesn’t equate to first-degree murder…

So you’re actually so so sick of people blaming gays for high death rates, which is quite a bit different than high rates of murder?

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.
- Barry Goldwater

Hubert Humphrey talks so fast that listening to him is like trying to look at Playboy magazine with your wife turning the pages.
- Barry Goldwater

I think any man in business would be foolish to fool around with his secretary. If it’s somebody else’s secretary, fine.
- Barry Goldwater

You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.
- Barry Goldwater

It’s a great country, where anybody can grow up to be president …… except me.
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I can’t see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else.

You could get run over and damaged by a float while watching a gay pride parade.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I said try it! Don’t just glance at the link!

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Trust me. I know all about Exodus Int.

Try to understand something….You can’t “fix” gay. No more so than you can “fix” straight.

You can cover it up… suppress it…certainly won’t do much for your mental state. And just why should it be “fixed”?

Not just homosexuals, it’s like Bork wrote, it’s Slouching Toward Gomorrah, a general trend of immorality that’s dragging us down, & mass murder is a symptom.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Thing is tho, “gay” is not immorality. Some gays (the one’s you always read about) are immoral…so are straight people. Gay has nothing at all do with it.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 PM

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Let me say I have no doubts that in the gay marriage movement there are some who want to corrode fundamental social institutions. Whether they would argue they’ve been radicalized by their life experiences or whether they’re the typical snot-nosed rejectionist twerps, they’re primarily interested in tearing down every traditional idea. The whole sick, sad year zero project. I get that.

I really don’t think they’re representative.

Let me say I also appreciate your taking the question seriously.

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 11:10 PM

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:08 PM

What does the secretary quote tell you? He can’t be trusted–he’d break his vows to his wife, so why wouldn’t he break any other promise? That’s the point: immorality can’t be kept in a box; it affects everything.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:11 PM

The maestro is stirring up the yahoos.

benny shakar on April 9, 2009 at 10:44 PM

And so far, only one showed up. Imagine that.

BigWyo on April 9, 2009 at 11:12 PM

ddrintn on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

There are instances of old people leaving all of their belongings to their pets.

People can’t have sex with minors because that is a crime. Laws are determined by the consensus of the populace. I’m pretty sure that gays are against child molestation as well. When a law is in place such that the populace disagrees with it, then it is their job to get it out of the way. What two consenting adults do is their own business. If two men wanted to have a duel to the death, and were both willing to sign some sort of legally binding statement as to what should happen in the case that one of them dies, then I have no problem with that.

There is a legal distinction between an adult and a child. It has nothing to do with morals.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 11:14 PM

The writer of the second quote has it wrong. I’m sure he means to say “the success of the sexual revolution is directly proportional to the decline in morality”

mikeyboss on April 9, 2009 at 11:15 PM

What does the secretary quote tell you? He can’t be trusted–he’d break his vows to his wife, so why wouldn’t he break any other promise?

Perhaps that he had a sense of humor?

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

So you’re actually so so sick of people blaming gays for high death rates, which is quite a bit different than high rates of murder?

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Sorry, Bishop…but re-reading that Peter’s article, even tho he issued that mesa culpa in the quote above, he most certainly IS blaming (or putting blame) on the “push for gay marriage” as part of the “sexual revolution” which is causing moral decay which is causing mass murders.

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I’m pretty sure that gays are against child molestation as well.

Most are, buy homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

***haha, not “mesa culpa”…”mea culpa”

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:17 PM

ddrintn on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM

What if a man wants to marry his horse and bestow on it all legal benefits? What about the guy who wants to have sex with 12-year-old girls?

So the idea of consent doesn’t come into play here at all?

You know what just dawned on me? I have NO IDEA AT ALL which, how many, or even if ANY of my neighbors are gay.

I hope my marriage doesn’t have any secret problems that I don’t know about.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM

buy but

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Most are, buy homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

And people who possess guns are more likely to shoot people. There’s no reason to impose stricter standards on the entire population based on the poor, sick depraved choices of a few. Let the courts sort out the criminals.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Heh. I live next to Mesa, AZ. Where is Culpa?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Most are, buy homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

For someone so concerned about homosexuality you appear to have no trouble pulling things out of your ass.

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I think Glenn with two n’s is the ghey spelling.
It’s code for ima homasexshual, just like bathhouses and airport bathroom knocks.

strangelet on April 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Let me say I also appreciate your taking the question seriously.

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Absolutely sir.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Let the courts sort out the criminals.

And let the courts (& others with such authority from the state) administer marriage rites. (I say this to libertarians who want to do away with marriage law altogether)

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM

strangelet on April 9, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Tap, tap, tap-tap.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Most are, buy homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I really find that hard to believe. That is something that I always wrote off as a myth. Do you have some link or evidence of that?

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Sorry, Larry.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Meh. At least it’s not a post about Gov. Palin.

SouthernGent on April 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Didn’t Goldwater write “The =Lack of= Conscience of a Conservative Libertarian”?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM

I don’t believe I am familiar with a book of that title.

No putatively conservative politician today has the idealism of a Goldwater or brings together idealists like Bozell and Hess. Even the one area where latter-day professional conservatives seem most idealistic, in their support for grandiose schemes of democratization and empire-building abroad, there is a startling contrast. Bozell and Hess, each driven by a vision of a more just America—the one vision radically Catholic, the other radically libertarian—came to oppose the Vietnam War. Late in life, Goldwater described that intervention as “a useless war,” and Tanenhaus speculates that Goldwater, like his friend Bill Buckley, would sooner or later have opposed Bush’s war in Iraq: “Presumably Goldwater would have seen this, but you never know.” The idealism of the Goldwater movement did infect its foreign policy—a look at Conscience of a Conservative will confirm that. But ultimately, the ideals that Goldwater stood for were not nation-building and empire.

Today, nation-building and empire, together with K-Street politics, is about all that animates the Republicans who claim to be following in Goldwater’s footsteps. They’ve lost what the 1960 and 1964 Goldwater movements were really all about, and they won’t rediscover what they’ve lost by furrowing their brows wondering if Goldwaterism was really purely libertarian or fusionist. Goldwater himself was a man of the American West, and his legacy can be claimed by either libertarians or traditionalists—if they can put the principled spirit of the old movement before the emoluments of politics.
- Daniel McCarthy

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM

OK gang. Low batt warning. Kisses to all. Goodnight.

DrSteve on April 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Heh. I live next to Mesa, AZ. Where is Culpa?

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Must be in one of those 7 extra states Obama was talkin’ about

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:25 PM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Most are, but homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

I suspect that stigmatizing their sexual orientation has fostered a state of mind that yields more secrecy, insecurity among many, and, ultimately, pedophilia. I blame the perpetrator, of course, but I also blame you and people like you.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I understated the difference:

In the Nebraska Medical Journal, Cameron said that when data from both genders are combined, homosexuals are at least 8-12 times more likely to molest children than are heterosexuals.

http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000011.asp

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

I also suspect that your statistic is less-than-accurate, BTW.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

People can’t have sex with minors because that is a crime. Laws are determined by the consensus of the populace. I’m pretty sure that gays are against child molestation as well. When a law is in place such that the populace disagrees with it, then it is their job to get it out of the way.

There is a legal distinction between an adult and a child. It has nothing to do with morals.

jimmy the notable on April 9, 2009 at 11:14 PM

The legal distinction between an adult and a child is based on what? Relative size? Of course it’s based on morals.

“If a law is in place that the populace disagrees with it, then it is their job to get it out of the way.” Conversely, if a law is held by the populace to be entirely right and good (for example, burning witches at the stake), then those laws must be carried out. The will of the populace is all?

ddrintn on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Wow! You can blame me for homosexual molesters, but I can’t blame homosexuals for adding to our nation’s immorality???

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I think any man in business would be foolish to fool around with his secretary. If it’s somebody else’s secretary, fine.
- Barry Goldwater

What does the secretary quote tell you? He can’t be trusted–he’d break his vows to his wife, so why wouldn’t he break any other promise? That’s the point: immorality can’t be kept in a box; it affects everything.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:11 PM

You assume a fact not in evidence. The quote does not establish marital status of the business man, just that it would be foolish for him to fool around with his secretary.

News2Use on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Are you talking about homosexuals or homosexual acts. I don’t think you can tie acts of pedophilia to sexual orientation… pedophilia goes way beyond that. Unless you just think an exorbitant number of Catholic priests are actually gay.

In any case, your whole argument that gay marriage causes all of the worlds problem is retarded.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Most are, buy homosexuals are five times more likely to be pedophiles than straights.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Yeah, I’d love to know the source of this supposed stat…

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM

This would be better served by another Palin pic and Beck clip.

Thank you.

blue13326 on April 9, 2009 at 11:30 PM

News2Use on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

He said “it’s fine” to “fool around” with another woman.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Wow! You can blame me for homosexual molesters, but I can’t blame homosexuals for adding to our nation’s immorality???

Yes, I’ve explained pretty clearly how people like you and your crusade to shame and dehumanize people could foster a social environment that can drive some to an unhealthy state of mind.

You have yet to explain in any credible way how homosexuals are “adding to our nation’s immorality”.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM

The age old question……

Jammies or not?

Nite all….at 4am the Devil’s electronic minion will be dragging me back to the lime pits.

Limerick on April 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM

In any case, your whole argument that gay marriage causes all of the worlds problem is retarded.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM

In any case, your whole argument that I blame homosexual marriage for all the world’s problems is, uh, lacking credibility, sir.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM

What does the secretary quote tell you? He can’t be trusted–he’d break his vows to his wife, so why wouldn’t he break any other promise? That’s the point: immorality can’t be kept in a box; it affects everything.

jgapinoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:11 PM

That, and so much else, tells me that he had a sense of humor.

I believe that Barry Goldwater had two wives. The first was Peggy whom he was married to for almost 50 years before she died. The second was Susan to who he was married to until he died.

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Sorry, Bishop…but re-reading that Peter’s article, even tho he issued that mesa culpa in the quote above, he most certainly IS blaming (or putting blame) on the “push for gay marriage” as part of the “sexual revolution” which is causing moral decay which is causing mass murders.
JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I see your point in what Peter’s is saying, though it is more shrapnel than a direct hit. I’m not trying to be a jerk about it, I just haven’t heard or read much (I can’t recall any) articles or opinions that blame murder directly on gays.

Bishop on April 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM

***haha, not “mesa culpa”…”mea culpa”

JetBoy on April 9, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Oh yes, the hot summer days I spent at Mesa Culpa, just outside of Las Cruces.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM

I suspect that stigmatizing their sexual orientation has fostered a state of mind that yields more secrecy, insecurity among many, and, ultimately, pedophilia.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 PM

One plus two equals….seventeen?

Quite the leap.

I don’t think you can tie acts of pedophilia to sexual orientation… pedophilia goes way beyond that.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM

So you can’t tie acts of pedophelia to sexual orientation, but you can tie them to the stigmatization of said orientation?

Mmmmkay.

hillbillyjim on April 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM

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