Is Levi fair game?
posted at 2:55 pm on April 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
We’ve noted the Levi Johnston saga, especially his post-breakup appearance on Tyra Banks, here at Hot Air. Normally, the kind of celebrity-dish interviews Banks offers would not create much of a stir with political writers, but Levi Johnston isn’t your average celebrity, and his tell-all about the Palins has some of her supporters mightily annoyed. Erick Erickson got some flack for writing this as a criticism of Levi:
Below is the actual Levi — no preppy clothes. No polish. Just good old boy who knocked up the Governor’s daughter. Not exactly the image Tyra Banks and he would like you to think about.
What’s even more creepy is that the other person in the picture is his sister. And, as if lifted from the pages of Deliverance, she has his name tattooed on her back finger. Think about that one for a minute.
That prompted return fire from Tommy Christopher, who most recently took on the Daily Kos for smearing conservatives, for leaving a strong implication of an incestuous relationship:
This is not some anonymous, black helicopter freeper accusing Levi Johnston. It’s the managing editor of Redstate, as identifiable on the right as Daily Kos is on the left. The irresponsibility here is extreme.
I really don’t get it, there’s plenty of legit garbage to throw at Levi and company. Why risk this kind of loose talk? Are there any Redstate readers who are unsure whether to hate Levi? And why demonize guns? That seems highly counter-intuitive.
I e-mailed Erick this morning, and he said he was aiming for an Angelina Jolie vibe. I’ll take Erick’s word for that, but even so, he miscalculated. All of us whiff from time to time, and I know Erick wants to help defend the Palins from the media’s attacks, but this was the wrong execution of the idea.
In fact, I think a lot of people miss the point with Levi. Both sides seem to have forgotten that these are very young people who obviously have little experience in interpersonal relationships. The Left forgot that during the election when they pilloried Bristol (and her mother) for not getting an abortion and demanding to know whether Bristol used birth control — which was really none of anyone else’s business. Some of us are missing it now when we attack Levi personally, rather than just criticize his caddish “kiss and tell” appearances for what they are.
Maybe we should just let the Palins and the Johnstons work out this family feud, and both sides should refrain from calling Levi a redneck and Bristol a slut. They’re neither; they’re just two young adults who are obviously in over their heads. Maybe the families should stop feeding the media and let the two work this out quietly, and maybe we can help by tuning out Tyra and the rest of the gossip-mongers.
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Any guy who wears a sweater vest on national TV deserves whatever abuse and scorn comes his way.
landshark on April 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Yea, he’s fair game. Though I agree that stooping to innuendo about incest is over the top. But criticism? Yea, you bet.
PersonalLiberty on April 9, 2009 at 3:48 PM
aengus on April 9, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I don’t know if Levi’s lying or if Sarah is.
I will note that Levi (perhaps unwittingly?) allowed the interview to end up with a headline that “Sarah lied!” I don’t remember Palin putting any articles out accusing him of lying. Maybe she did, I’m not sure.
If he’s lying, she has a right to defend herself.
And, as noted earlier, there’s no question the media is trying to use this circus to take her out.
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM
The “story” doesn’t look either side look good or noble in any way. But then I was pulling for Mitt and Fred
clnurnberg on April 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Just curious, Ed- Where’s the line in these comments? What’s acceptable roughhousing, and what’s bannable?
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Ed, while your post makes sense to those with sensibilities, it’s sort of like the left saying, let’s just play nice with the terrorists and they will quit attacking us. The left will use this poor kid as a smear machine for Sarah Palin. And won’t stop because we call a truce. But overall I agree we should just point out that the kid is as much if not more responsible than Bristol, and that he allowed others in his family to hurt his chances to be a real father to his son.
Christian Conservative on April 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM
It’s her daughter, now a grown woman, not “Abstinence Woman,” who never really reached anything but common sense: Don’t want to get pregnant, your best shot is to not have sex. If you do, use a condom. You’re better off waiting till you’re married, because trash like Levi Johnston will run off on you when you get pregnant. Well, now we have a very public example.
chunderroad on April 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM
That’s a really good question. There does seem to be an awful lot of ‘gray area’ in the Terms of Use lately.
BadgerHawk on April 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Wondering the same.
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 3:53 PM
The basic problem seems to be the lack of adult supervision on the Johnston side.
Don’t know what you’re hoping for, here. Johnston went on TV to talk about his experience, so pushback is inevitable. Maybe at some point he’ll grow up, and I hope he does. But I doubt he will any time soon, and by the time he does, it will probably be too late to put that family back together.
And no, I’m not blind to the fact that it took two to tango, and Bristol bears her own responsibility. But you’ll note that Bristol seems to be living up to that responsibility. Not Levi.
tom on April 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM
By the way, Ed. Is it S.O.P. for someone to be banned under one name and be able to came back under another? For example, The Wall (Roger Waters)? Just curious.
kingsjester on April 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Bristol made herself fair game by going on Greta and Levi made himself fair game by going on Tyra.
SnarkVader on April 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM
That link doesn’t even mention Bristol Palin, and as far as I can tell, doesn’t criticize Palin for not getting an abortion. Close enough? Not even in the ballpark.
Tom_Shipley on April 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I just thank goodness that I’ve raised my sons (and daughters) better. All have had their share of teen infatuations and a little serious dating (even of individuals that I felt were not “up to snuff”), however no matter “how it all ends” their father and I have been very strict that you never trash their reputation….. that kind of stuff always comes back to harm you.
This was something best left to disappear off the front page. Levi has a son to think about and one of these days he’ll be explaining to a judge why he should have joint custody, etc. The judge is going to be looking at how he has conducted himself in public.
I do have sympathy for Levi. I am quite certain that those who want to use him are surrounding him and feeding his ego. I’ve dealt with political types and it’s very seductive to have them tell you how great you are and manipulate you to their own benefit. Sadly, he’s going to do himself a great deal of harm before he wakes up to what’s happening.
2nd Ammendment Mother on April 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Palins are probably worried as hell that Levi will take the baby and sell pics to sleazy tabloids.
clnurnberg on April 9, 2009 at 3:56 PM
An 11 yr old is old enough to be a father too.
I didn’t say he shouldn’t be taken seriously – I don’t think – I just said he’s not fair game in terms of criticism. He’s only in the spotlight because a couple of vultures realized they can take advantage of him. Criticize the vultures. Believe me, his comeuppance is coming, and it won’t need your help.
Proud Rino on April 9, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Ah. So going on a daytime trash talk show is the same as going on a news program?
Great.
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Yea, me too.
scalleywag on April 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM
No, he’s not fair game. Neither is Bristol. I don’t get punished for being related to my crazy uncle, why should either of them be getting punished for being related (directly or through blood) to Palin?
It’s absurd yellow journalism.
ExSubNuke on April 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM
I must have missed Greta, aka Missing Blond Girl Central, becoming a highbrow news show.
SnarkVader on April 9, 2009 at 3:59 PM
If you really can’t differentiate between a Fox News show and a Jerry Springer offshoot, then that’s a problem on your end.
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I know your are not a troll but that doesn’t mean that your comments can’t be digusting… They are…
CCRWM on April 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM
scalleywag on April 9, 2009 at 4:01 PM
His comments were deleted. If he does it again, he’ll be banned.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Of course Levi is fair game, he went on TV to dish and whine. To criticize him for an obvious publicity ploy is not the same as chasing him around Alaska to “punish” him for a link to Palin.
He obviously likes the spotlight as does his tacky mother and sister who got themselves included and probably recorded their minutes of fame for later use at meth parties or whatever. Yes, Tyra asked but the answer should have been “no, thanks”.
clnurnberg on April 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Not trying to support this dude, but would someone mind drawing a line in the sand for us?
What’s ok, and what’s no go territory?
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Of course there’s a difference but let’s not make Greta something she’s not.
SnarkVader on April 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM
I doubt I’m adding or taking anything away from his life.
I’m sorry, but he’s no longer a kid in my eye. If he’s too stupid now to see that he’s being used, then he’ll never learn.
Esthier on April 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Any guy who wears a sweater vest on national TV deserves whatever abuse and scorn comes his way.
landshark on April 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. I’m a Palin-basher but that was funny! Still giggling…..
Blueneck on April 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM
While we are discussing the merits of Levi Johnston, the world is watching what is happening to the poor captain that is being held as a hostage with the USS Bainbridge just lingering in the background. Seems the O won’t give the word to go after them and free an American citizen from terrorists. Oh, wait, we cannot. They aren’t terrorists any more and it is OK if they take Americans hostage. And this just a day since the Apology Tour was finished. This is more shameful than anything Levi Johnston ever did.
I do know one thing, this would not stand in a McCain or Palin administration.
BetseyRoss on April 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM
CCRWM on April 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I guess they were bad enough they got taken down. I don’t see any posts with those times from Chunderroad.
Torch on April 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Madison seems to agree with you.
Esthier on April 9, 2009 at 4:06 PM
In a civilized world we would leave the mistakes of Levi & Bristol to be dealt with by their families. However since everything in Gov Palin’s personal life seems to be fair game for the the MSM, the looney-Left, etc. why should Levi be any different?
Are you implying that if no one here trashed him for being a red-neck stupid low-life the scummers like The Wall, poptech, benny, etc here at this site, wouldn’t be trashing Gov Palin? Unlikely.
He is the one who went on Tyra Banks and CBS, he is the one either trying to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame. Just like Meghan McCain he appears to think he’s a player so YES, he is fair game.
katiejane on April 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I can’t define it any better than to say, “If you think it might be no go, don’t go there.” Or, actually, here’s a better definition: If you think Ed or I would find it unsuitable for one of our posts, it’s probably unsuitable for the comments. Chunderroad snarking about Levi wanting to finger his sister or whatever really isn’t a close call.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Thank you
CCRWM on April 9, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Levi is a child in a man’s body. The problem is that people are only paying attention to him to try to spit out more crap about the Palin family.
What this kid wants, is he wants his ex-girlfriend to suffer on a national stage. This is a revenge move.
I say if this kid wants to air out his dirty laundry, that’s his decision, and he should pay the price. Let’s pick out the nastiest looking happy sock or the most skid-marked piece of undies and embarrass the piss out of him.
leetpriest on April 9, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Fair game yes worth the hunt no. Fish for walleyes or fish for sewer trout says more about the fishman then the prey.
rsl775 on April 9, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Me too. The “deliverance” insinuations may not be in the very best of taste (altho I think they’re kinda funny), but they’re just as fair as the “palling around with terrorists” talk (which I also thought was funny).
Politics is a tough racket. Man up.
Infidoll on April 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM
So are most 19 yr old boys.
Proud Rino on April 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM
YEa, that was a pretty obvious don’t go there comment. It made my eyes bleed. Too bad nobody seems to care anymore whether their newscasters are being offensive or not.
scalleywag on April 9, 2009 at 4:11 PM
This ought to be over the target.
It’s about a liberal comic who started a fund to pay for Bristol to have an abortion. The article is by Tommy Christopher, who I think is the same as mentioned in this post.
Here at the end, he states pretty clearly that Bristol had no choice to get an abortion if she wanted.
That should answer your question, Shipley.
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Blame all around. The Palins never should have forced these kids into the public spotlight to bolster Palin’s campaign veneer. Whenever kids are in trouble, families rally around them. These two families have screwed these kids.
If Levi is a cad, what does that make Sarah Palin if she did indeed allow them to shack up and presumably bump uglies under her own roof.
This piper plays a tune for everyone.
The Race Card on April 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Everyone involved looks bad including the media and the various blogs who keep this crap on our screens.
lexhamfox on April 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/11/trig-palins-threat-to-the-abortion-industry/
gwelf on April 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Allah come to think of it, this was just as bad…
This site used to never allow cussing either. Once one of my post was deleted because I said I didnt give a rat’s *** about something…
CCRWM on April 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Your threat would carry a little more weight if you actually banned some of the people you’ve warned but have kept trolling these boards.
Just saying…
Religious_Zealot on April 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM
hahahaha, I’ve NEVER heard that saying before.
scalleywag on April 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Being a lefty and/or critical of Palin aren’t banworthy offenses.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I must agree.
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 4:22 PM
What about epithets and slurs?
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 4:22 PM
*Crickets*
It’s not like he didn’t know what was out there.
the_nile on April 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
If Levi Johnson then Tyra Banks, ABC News, et al needs to fly Barack Obama’s half brother to the US and interview him.
Jdripper on April 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Levi is a redneck. No real man would talk about this private stuff on TV. I had hoped his girlfriend getting pregnant had shocked his system so much he had changed into someone respectable but obviously it didn’t. The Palin family should have told this kid to never spend time with their daughter in the first place. People like him are what give Alaska, and Republicans in general, the stereotype of rednecks.
Speedwagon82 on April 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Which is exactly why he needs to be taught about voluntarily appearing on the national scene for the purpose of revenge.
leetpriest on April 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Sure. When we see them, we warn people. We’ve warned several lefty regulars lately to knock it off with the white trash stuff. If you see them doing it, let me know.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM
There ya go.
So, y’all stop calling me a troll. I prefer to be called a Palin-denier. thanks!
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM
maybe it is time to define it.
Spamming is Ban worthy… yet you let Pop get away with it.
Crude sayings.. may not be on the ToS, but maybe it should.
People wonder if it is “your” best interest (change in pockets) or if you just want to push most of the people who HAVE supported HotAir away.
It isn’t the line in the sand, I think many of us are curious if you will ban… instead of the endless and seemingly meaningless warnings.
upinak on April 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I even told ChunderRoad to cool it so he doesnt get banned proving what a nice guy I am.
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Forced? Last I heard, Levi was offered the opportunity. Bristol likely had no choice (aside from leaving the family), but neither did Sasha and Malia.
At that point, she was already pregnant, at least six or seven months, and they were engaged to be married.
This is hardly the crime of the year.
And considering Palin didn’t choose her daughter’s boyfriend but rather allowed this arrangement after wards, it hardly speaks of Palin’s judgment of Levi or of whether or not he’s truly a cad.
Esthier on April 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Hmmm. How come you were warned then?
MadisonConservative on April 9, 2009 at 4:27 PM
He’s on “the national scene” because Tyra Banks and others invited him, getting promised acting and modeling jobs if he does it.
When he realizes that he’s been played, that he got no money out of any of this, nobody cares about him, and his kid is going to be permanently damaged…I don’t know, I think that’s punishment enough.
The worst pain I have to live with is knowing I’ll never be able to take back the mistakes I made as a young man; Levi will discover just what that pain feels like sooner rather than later, and we don’t need to help him along in the process.
Proud Rino on April 9, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Your media butt buddies went nuclear on them long before they went on either show. To say attempting to defend themselves from media smears makes them “fair game” just shows what kind of scum enables people like tyra to make a living.
Darth Executor on April 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM
To be honest, quite a lot of people tried to contact you and Ed the other day on the previous “Levi goes on Tyra” thread.
And, yet, nothing was done.
As I said, your warnings are meaningless if you simple keep repeating them and never doing anything about it.
Religious_Zealot on April 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I was warned because I made a trailer comment which AP said was too much like calling somebody “white trash” so I cooled it with the trailer comments. Actually, I never really went that road when it came to the Palin family. I dont think they are that….kinda dumb and stuff but not that.
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Example #137 Exibit B #4 04/08/09 “Poptech” Here.
Note: To all Palin’s Male supporters (which are most of them) donations will not help you get into her pants any quicker.
Poptech on April 8, 2009 at 9:01 PM
You were saying?????
portlandon on April 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Actually, it’s more like Palin-liar. She favors teaching about birth control in school, not abstinence only.
rbj on April 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM
What’s particularly outrageous about that is that you are forced to come here and comment on a regular basis.
Proud Rino on April 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Which is it? Is he too stupid to know what’s going on right now, or is he smart enough to figure it out on his own?
Esthier on April 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Part of the problem, Religous Sellout, is you Palintologists flooding Ed and AP asking for banning of people who dont have the glazed look of a Palintologist. So, nobody takes you seriously.
For example, I have never crossed the line. I may have touched it a couple times for humor but have never crossed it and all my comments have a point.
So, you guys need to stop trying hard to ban people like PopTech and other Palin-deniers.
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Talk about a comment from left field!
Religious_Zealot on April 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
No, because then I get sucked into pointless and endless debates like this over what is and isn’t appropriate. The only reason I laid down a rule about not comparing Michelle Obama to Klingons or Chewbacca or whatever is because it’s too close for comfort with traditional racist stereotypes about blacks being beastly. I’m not saying that’s always what’s intended, but it tends to encourage other commenters to push the envelope further. E.g., in one Michelle thread last week, someone said she should have a bone in her nose. I simply don’t have the time and energy to police comments in long threads so I asked people to stay away from that in the future.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Actually, O great theologian, I’ve never emailed Ed or Allah to get you banned.
I figured that if either actually lived up to their word you would take care of that for me through your typical posts.
BTW – how goes that study on sanctifying grace?
Religious_Zealot on April 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Probably doesn’t count. He didn’t explicitly use the w.t. words.
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Bristol didn’t go on Greta to trash her ex. She went on to talk about her life with the baby, the difficulties, what she intends to do with her future, and to express that perhaps she should’ve practiced abstinence because it was too early for her to have a baby. Basically “girls, please learn from my mistake. Don’t get knocked up at 17″
Levi went on Tyra to trash the Palins.
See the distinction?
Anyway, Levi is pissy because they broke up and now he’s doing what a lot of immature little boys do: he’s trashing his ex. He just happens to be doing it on national television.
I believe he’s really going to regret this as he matures into a man, a father, and a husband. And if he’s ever the father of a girl who gets treated like this by her ex-boyfriend, he’ll realize how stupid he was. But then, some people never outgrow their trashiness, so I could be overly optimistic.
CookeyD on April 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Here’s an even better rule of thumb when trying to decide what’s appropriate: Would Michelle Malkin be willing to defend your comment if someone confronted her about it? Ultimately it’s her reputation at stake here. Ed and I try to be mindful of that in what we write. I’d ask that you be mindful too.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Amen to that. That stuff is over the top. Its what people do to change the subject when their own religious figue is cricized and start attacking Michelle Obama or Romney or something so the discussion about Palin will discontinue.
But we are on that…..
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Levi and his family is out trying to gain positive attention by slandering Bristol and Sarah , if he get’s feedback that they just behaves and looks like creepy idiots( either direct or that friends will call him) they’ll stop. And then people should back off.
the_nile on April 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Ed, please…Levi and his trashy family want to be fair game. He said himself he is hoping for a modeling or acting career to come of this. That family is like the Octomom, they have no money now that the drug dealing has dried up, so their only choice as a family is to sell themselves.
I don’t what is taking the Palin’s so long to apply for full custody. Levi, his preening sister, and over-the-top mother need to get a reality check.
zembla on April 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM
I understand grace perfectly well. You have mistaken the doctrine of grace to nullify Paul’s point that there wont be unrepentant fornicators et al in heaven. Peiod, end of story.
Remember, Faith without works is DEAD!!!
Please dont reply with a bunch of scriptures from John or from Romans…I know all about the born-again grace scriptures that you seminary graduates use to mess up the easy truths of the Bible.
Discussion over. I won.
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM
This is laughable. The media was going to rip into Sarah Palin’s family regardless of whether they were in the spotlight or not; Palin simply told the truth about her daughters pregnancy and the media pigs went nuts with it. This Levi kid is a dirtbag, I’m not about to offer him one bit of sympathy. It’s obvious that he and his family just want to extend their 15 minutes.
anniekc on April 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM
OK, so you find one (and to be fair, I did ask for one) “controversial” comic out to make a name for himself by starting a Bristol Palin abortion fund. Fine.
But, if you really read it, it’s not criticizing Bristol for not having an abortion, it’s more a criticism of Sarah Palin for not allowing Bristol to have a choice in the matter. Splitting hairs? Perhaps.
But, my overall point is that Ed made this claim:
The truth is, “the left” did not pillory Bristol for not getting an abortion. That’s just an incorrect assertion. And it’s one typical of Ed. He makes false claims like this all the time. Generalizations that really are not true.
“The left” did make a big deal about Palin opposing birth control after Bristol became pregnant. That much is true. But that’s a valid point to make. And it’s not an attack on Bristol.
Finding one comedian looking to make a name for himself is not proof that the left “pilloried” Bristol Palin for not having an abortion. That simply did. not. happen.
Tom_Shipley on April 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM
It’s both; obviously you’re smart enough to understand that those two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
Proud Rino on April 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Then why do you continue to allow the filth that comes out of the resident trolls to be posted? NOT their political opinions, but all their nasty attacks? Whats the limit?
anniekc on April 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Obviously you still have no idea about grace, much less sanctifying grace.
I DO note that you have tweaked your point with the addition of “unrepentant” – which, of course, is KEY to understanding sanctifying grace.
Of course, that was absent in our discussion the other day.
And we’re still left with the fact that there WILL be (forgiven) adulterers, liars and fornicators in heaven.
Which is what I told you the other day yet you denied.
Keep studying that scripture, you may one day actually understand it.
Religious_Zealot on April 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Tom, show us one story that shows that Sarah “did not allow” Bristol to have an abortion.
As well, show us where Sarah opposes birth control. She did amend her gubernatorial debate remarks to say that she is in favor of teaching birth control and abstinence in school. She may be against certain forms of birth control, having to do with already fertilized eggs, but she’s not against birth control.
rbj on April 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Tom_Shipley on April 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I did read it. They don’t know if Bristol had a choice or not. You don’t either.
My earlier link referred to Sarah as a candidate for a “postnatal abortion,” essentially wishing her dead for being a prolife politician.
But, I’ve wasted enough time trying to talk when you won’t even accept what you asked for in the first place.
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Pardon me for taking offense where none was probably intended, but my son-in-law, my husband’s best friend from the Marine Corps, and many, many of my friends are, in fact, rednecks. And, I assure you, not even a “redneck” would go on Tyra Banks and dish on the mother of his kids. The people you see on Springer are NOT rednecks. They’re…well, I can’t define them without risking eternal “ban-nation” from HA, but they’re not rednecks.
uncivilized on April 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Obama? That you?
cs89 on April 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Hello Mr. The Wall. How are you today?
How do you know whether someone is unrepentant? There isn’t a requirement, as far as I remember, that a professing Christian has to confess every sin ever committed to everyone in the world.
I would never presume that I won or lost a discussion, particularly when part of the question involves winning or losing souls. But, if it came down to it, I’d rather lose the discussion than cause a fellow believer to lose his/her faith.
I suppose you’ll disagree with me, T.W. But I’ve said my peace, and will most likely go back to making snarky comments about government-run newspapers.
Snowed In on April 9, 2009 at 4:46 PM
My media butt buddies? I must be missing something here. When did I say the coverage Bristol and Levi received during the campaign was fair? It wasn’t.
SnarkVader on April 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM
It is amazing how much more play Bristol Palin’s love life gets than Biden’s (who is actually Vice-President)daughter’s recent problems got. Are the Palins lives just more sexy than Biden’s?
You have to admit that Bristol and Levi are very attractive individuals.
I am also of the mind that airing these things now is not all negative. Better to know all the truth or possible truth than to wait until she is our nominee–then to have Levi make his claims.
It would be good, however, if Sarah’s real positions on the issues were as well known as the false ones stated by “The Wall”. We can’t let the assertion that she was in favor of “abstence only” sex ed. go uncorrected. That was not her position at all. She just agreed that abstence was an important point to be taught along with other methods.
And she was right abstence is an option that a good percentage of people take with 100% success. When someone told you “everybody’s doing it” they were lying to you. And you purpetuate that lie to the detriment of the entire country.
petunia on April 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Oh dear gawd.
Tommy Christopher linked to Saint Andrew Sullivan’s comments. Glutes, predictably, is giggling with delight.
Brat on April 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Yes.
Snowed In on April 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Thank you for NOT linking. Andi Sullivan can go jump in a lake.
Snowed In on April 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM
It is really funny to see trolls running and hiding behind Ed & allah’s apron strings. Especially since the litmus test is now “Would Michelle Malkin defend the comments if confronted by it”.
Would Michelle Malkin defend the comments if confronted by it”. Translation: Go ask your mother.
portlandon on April 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Yeah, forgiven ones. The first step of repentance is to stop committing the sin. You cant expect to be forgiven if you are still doing the nasty….even if you did the whole Jim and Tammy Baker thing and accept Jesus while living a sinful life. Like I said, me and James and Jesus all believe that faith without works is dead.
You need to get on board, dude.
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM
I like the new you Snark.
carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM
My mother is on the opposite side of the political spectrum, so I doubt she would have much to say about my support of Sarah Palin.
Snowed In on April 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM
You are Roger Walters aren’t you.
petunia on April 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Why do you say that? Just because Roger Wates wrote The Wall? I will answer your question with a quote:
“If you want to find out whats behind these cold eyes
You’ll just have to claw your way thru this disguise”
Roger Waters
In The Flesh?
The Wall on April 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM
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