Conyers: Obama war plans “embarrassingly naive”

posted at 12:55 pm on April 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama had better prepare himself for just as much skepticism on Afghanistan at home as he got from Europe.  Obama wants $75 billion more allocated for the efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, but his own caucus in the House appears to be balking.  Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) called Obama’s plans “embarrassingly naive”, and may put Obama in Bush territory on the wars — looking for Republican cover (via Jim Geraghty):

Mr. Obama is expected to seek congressional approval of $75.5 billion for the wars, perhaps as soon as Thursday. The issue is already raising tensions on Capitol Hill, especially among liberals who are sympathetic to the president’s broader agenda but voice concerns about his timeline for withdrawal of troops from Iraq and his plans to beef up forces in Afghanistan.

“I can’t imagine any way I’d vote for it,” said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, a California Democrat and leader in the 77-member congressional Progressive Caucus. It would be her first major break with this White House.

Ms. Woolsey fears the president’s plan for Iraq would leave behind a big occupation force. She is also concerned about the planned escalation in Afghanistan. “I don’t think we should be going there,” she said.

Similar sentiments echo across the House. Rep. Jim McGovern (D., Mass.) said he fears Afghanistan could become a quagmire. “I just have this sinking feeling that we’re getting deeper and deeper into a war that has no end,” he said.

Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.) dismissed Mr. Obama’s plans as “embarrassingly naive,” and suggested that the president is being led astray by those around him. “He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

The WSJ points out that Obama routinely voted against such funding requests while a member of the Senate, which one might argue made him even more naive then than now.  For instance, Obama campaigned strongly against the surge strategy in Iraq and the increase in troop levels, which was proven “embarrassingly naive” when the strategy worked.  Obama has yet to actually say the words “I was wrong,” but his commitment to a lasting presence in Iraq and a stronger effort in Afghanistan is a de facto admission that he — and Conyers, and every other critic in Congress — was dead wrong about it.

Obama can count on Republican support for the funding, but there aren’t as many Republicans on Capitol Hill as there used to be.  Obama will need at least some of his Democrats to support the spending plans that Obama used to criticize himself.  In order to get that, some Democrats want to hear an exit strategy — apparently something other than victory, which is what Obama’s been proclaiming as his primary objective.

Will Obama provide timetables for withdrawal in exchange for his funding?  If he does, will Republicans hold out and risk all of the funding in order to keep the US looking for victory rather than escape?  Obama finds himself in exactly the same spot as his predecessor, George W. Bush, and may have to resort to the same hardball with Congress to get what he wants.  I hope he’s up to the task.

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I hope he’s up to the task.

I’m not holding my breath…

redshirt on April 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM

View one: It’s impossible to defeat Islamic insurgencies (“quagmire”) which spring up all over the world, here in Afghanistan.

View two: We should allow unrestricted Muslim immigration.

Please reconcile these views commonly held by our idiotic leaders, particularly on the Left.

Beagle on April 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I suppose we should be happy that he’s losing the support of his own party for not being liberal enough. Small victories.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Conyers???? Holy crap.

baldilocks on April 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Great. An argument between The PRecedent and Conyers is like a heavyweight boxing match at the special olympics. It is a comedy of the uncivilized. Can’t these idiots go ruin some other country?

progressoverpeace on April 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM

up to the task? This means he has tell the left “show me the money” for wars they think are part of some neo-con cabal to create a hegemony. He is gonna have fun on that one. On a political note there is an excellent opportunity for the GOP to do right by the country and come out smelling like roses. Be the President’s ally against the nut roots in regards to victory in both theaters. Good policy can make damn good politics.

rob verdi on April 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

Be sure to french kiss obummer’s butt before you criticize him or you won’t be invited to the next cocktail party.

Spectreman on April 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

so wait, he’s naive because he’s escalating?

ernesto on April 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Conyers will now want the “self-loving” one to …

BOW TO HIS WISHES !

singlemalt_18 on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Obama finds himself in exactly the same spot as his predecessor, George W. Bush

No, Obama does not find himself in the same spot, Bush actually had a little credibility with the left even though they hated him. They knew the dummy had a brain, this dummy, I fear, has no brain.

bopbottle on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I thought Obama’s “honest” budget already including funding for both wars? What’s up with this $75.5B? Bush should have including war budgeting in his annual budgets and I thought Obama did this…appearently not. Hope and Change!

WashJeff on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Well, it’s good to know the adults are in charge now. “*BarrrF!*”

AubieJon on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I had said way back when, during the campaign, that it really wouldn’t matter who won, because Hillary would be a disaster only to herself since nearly anything she wanted would be opposed simply because it was her, and Obam’ter would be so naive that he would be trampled all over by Congress.

One thing I hadn’t counted on was the absolute adulation Obam’ter has had. But it appears that those days are fading quickly on all fronts.

Each day that goes by, he gets further and further away from his Troops Out Now Code Pinko position he ran on, and closer to Bush’s position of Conditions On The Ground that he ran against. I can only speculate that once he actually got into the position, he was shown the reality of situation, and is acting accordingly. It’s very easy to be critical when there’s no repercussions for it, and you don’t have all the facts to deal with.

JamesLee on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I love the picture that is used for this one. So apropos for anything The Messiah touches. Looking for his prompter.

Dingbat63 on April 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM

The only

quagmire

is wholly owned by the fecal matter encrusted, absolutely worthless, corrupt and incompetent Democrat Congress.

The solution is to have each and every Democrat in Congress resign immediately and then to go into forced exile.

Bammy can then resign to “spend more time with my family” and then the healing will begin.

NoDonkey on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Ummm…. I thought that the War money was all supposed to be in the regular DOD budget… you know, that whole transparency thing???

or … was that last week and it expired?

Romeo13 on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.) dismissed Mr. Obama’s plans as “embarrassingly naive,” and suggested that the president is being led astray by those around him. “He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

Oh my, politicians are now speaking out of three sides of their mouth. The slam, the suck-up and the excuse all in one statement. I didn’t think that could be done.

sherry on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

For instance, Obama campaigned strongly against the surge strategy in Iraq and the increase in troop levels, which was proven “embarrassingly naive” when the strategy worked

Gee that’s funny, I didn’t think Obama campaigned for anything except himself.

Knucklehead on April 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM

“embarrassingly naive”
Pretty good way to describe Obama.
I would add embarrassingly naive and arrogant.
Not a fan of Conyers but I like that he said this.

carbon_footprint on April 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I hope he’s up to the task.

Hope is not a strategy. This guy’s already been schooled by Congress a couple of times already. They’ll roll him on this too.

Stand by for heavy seas.

OhioCoastie on April 9, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Oh my, politicians are now speaking out of three sides of their mouth.
sherry on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

It’s still both sides of the mouth. Their arse, though, is asking for equal time to speak.

WashJeff on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM

It’s still both sides of the mouth. Their arse, though, is asking for equal time to speak.

WashJeff on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM

You got me there!

sherry on April 9, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Oh my, politicians are now speaking out of three sides of their mouth.
sherry on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

It’s still both sides of the mouth. Their arse, though, is asking for equal time to speak.

WashJeff on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM

With liberals, any orifice will do.

AubieJon on April 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM

+1 to WashJeff for the talking arse quip.

OhioCoastie on April 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Naivety, thy name is ” Conyers, Woosley and Obama” Oh and Conyers is a tool, to boot.

MNDavenotPC on April 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM

some Democrats want to hear an exit strategy — apparently something other than victory, which is what Obama’s been proclaiming as his primary objective.

Obama’s exit strategy is victory? I have never heard him mention victory. He promises to end the war, not win it.

rw on April 9, 2009 at 1:16 PM

If it is a tough lift politically, I would doubt that Obama is up for the challenge.

RedSoxNation on April 9, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I thought that since Obama was kissing Islam’s butt that all the “agitators – former terrorists” would lay down and kiss O’s feet??? Why does Barry need all this money if it as he says is “counterproductive in the long run”????

America – wakeup to your commander in thief.

The only thing “counterproductive” is the Obama administration.

What a bunch of losers, clowns impotent, corrupt beaurcraps……

izoneguy on April 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Is Conyers gonna start running mock impeachment hearings in his basement for Obama, now, too?

lorien1973 on April 9, 2009 at 1:18 PM

What a perfect out, Congress won’t fund the plan, immediate pull out, Congress won’t get blamed because they will say that it is what the people wanted. Everyone on the Left is happy. Good to see the word quagmire back in play, truly bipartisan.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2009 at 1:18 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

But I thought adults didn’t make mistakes.

Oh, that’s right. The kids are in charge now.

I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you debate this administration’s policies. We are Americans and have the right to participate and debate any administration.

Hillary Clinton, April 29, 2003

Del Dolemonte on April 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,”

Not even in a Harry Turtledove alternate time line. The “smartest man in American politics today,” would have had a response to any act of piracy.

Now we see why the libturds are so eager for Odumba$$ to not fail. They worry they’ll get blamed. In less than 100 days has any other President passed off more responsibility that “the one”?

jdkchem on April 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said.

Greasy joe biden said that about himself, too.

rightside on April 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Ummm…. I thought that the War money was all supposed to be in the regular DOD budget… you know, that whole transparency thing???

or … was that last week and it expired?

Romeo13 on April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM

That’s what I thought. Is this in addition to what he has in the budget or is this this amount already in the budget. This administration is so confusing. It’s easy to lose track of the billions.

scalleywag on April 9, 2009 at 1:22 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said.

Which explains why we are in the mess we are in.

lorien1973 on April 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I am not ready to say Obama is the smartest politician in America, but i am willing to admit that Ms. Woolsey is the dumbest. No contest I think. Reminds me of some of our resident female trolls on here.

chief on April 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Planned. Orchestrated. He knows another war will be the 24/7 focus of the MSM. Republicans will vote FOR it and once again put themselves on the outs with voters. Then again, I’m a guy who thinks Obama WANTS the economy to tank.

marklmail on April 9, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Ah…I hear Obama’s accountability clock ticking a little bit louder…I wonder if going to church will be part of his plan to get conservatives to back him on this?

Sweetness0726 on April 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I realize ALL statements FROM Obama come with an expiration date.

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said.

Isn’t that also true for statements ABOUT Obama?
Even if you think Obama has done some things well since he has taken office I think anyone would be hard pressed to suggest he’s done them smartly.

Rocks on April 9, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I imagine Obama’s eyes might be opened a little with the more detailed info he has as POTUS.
And he’s probably motivated by the fact that he doesn’t want his daughters wearing burquas & he doesn’t want them punished with lots of children.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:27 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

Says one of the dumbest men in Congress.

portlandon on April 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I wonder if going to church will be part of his plan to get conservatives to back him on this?

Sweetness0726 on April 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM

And I imagine a narcissist has no problem sitting in church knowing they are sinful & unrepentant.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I’m sure that “sinking feeling” would be relieved by a bunch of billions in bailout money.

PattyJ on April 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Obama finds himself in exactly the same spot as his predecessor, George W. Bush, and may have to resort to the same hardball with Congress to get what he wants.

Excuse me, but are you refering to the “hardball” that left us with record spending? I would say George Bush caved in to Congressional demands to spend spend spend in order to keep the prospect of victory alive. But that’s just me.

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You think he’ll spend any political capital to push this thru? More likely, he’ll say “well, shucks. I tried. Now, back to that carbon tax, which will solve a REAL CRISIS…”

hawksruleva on April 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM

What was your first clue, Rep. Conyers?

bluelightbrigade on April 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM

So the democrats in congress are going to do the same thing to Afghanistan that they did to South Vietnam.

Skandia Recluse on April 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Obama? Up to it? Riiiiggghhhhttt.

It’s a daily clown-fest with that guy and Joe Who. According to the midstream media, all this President/VP crap was going to be a piece of cake for these two geniuses. Now we see it for what it is: Oboingo hopelessly floundering, and Joe I.Q. Biden just makin’ $#!+ up. F’n fantastic.

mr.blacksheep on April 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I imagine Obama’s eyes might be opened a little with the more detailed info he has as POTUS.
And he’s probably motivated by the fact that he doesn’t want his daughters wearing burquas & he doesn’t want them punished with lots of children.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I think you give Obama too much credit for being able to think.

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Even if you think Obama has done some things well since he has taken office I think anyone would be hard pressed to suggest he’s done them smartly.

Rocks on April 9, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Got his unqualified, absolutely worthless, corrupt and incompetent ass elected.

Still can’t believe this guy is President. He has no business being there and he’s stupid enough to not even realize just how far in over his head he is.

NoDonkey on April 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM

so wait, he’s naive because he’s escalating?

ernesto on April 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM

You didn’t even bother to read the article, did you.

MarkTheGreat on April 9, 2009 at 1:35 PM

commander in thief

Hmmmm there’s a good line.

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Excuse me, but are you refering to the “hardball” that left us with record spending? I would say George Bush caved in to Congressional demands to spend spend spend in order to keep the prospect of victory alive. But that’s just me.

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You may be correct on overall spending, but Bush did smack some heads together to gut “extra” spending out of a couple of those war funding bills.

I would hope that Obama is not naive enough to send in more troops and then let them Democrats scrimp on the costs.

myrenovations on April 9, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Obama has absolutely no concerns about his daughters wearing Burquas. Don’t fool yourself.
The dumbass is a Muslim butt kissing fool who also happens to be a narcissist. Nothing bad will happen to the girls because dad will be ruler for life. Obama internalizes nothing. Nothing, his daughters won’t be in the civilian army either.
Frankly, I think the intelligence he saw opened his eyes to how much danger he is in and by extension his family, but he feels he is loved by all and although he will bow to Muslims, he will not be subject. I think Afghansitan and stopping Al Q is all about protecting himself. I don’t think Obama thinks much further than where today and tomorrow’s adulation will come from and figures that as long as he is adored, he has no problems.

ORconservative on April 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Laugh or cry? Laugh while crying?

DarkCurrent on April 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM

If he does, will Republicans hold out and risk all of the funding in order to keep the US looking for victory rather than escape?

Looking for victory rather than escape?

Sounds like a slogan for a commercial, not a plan.

Sounds like LBJ deja vu folly all over again.

One must be as a lion to frighten off wolves, but as a fox to recognize traps.
- Niccolo Machiavelli

The wise man does at once what the fool does finally.
- Niccolo Machiavelli

Obama finds himself in exactly the same spot as his predecessor, George W. Bush, and may have to resort to the same hardball with Congress to get what he wants. I hope he’s up to the task.

We hear praise of a power-wielding, arm-twisting President who “gets his program through Congress” by knowing the use of power. Throughout the course of history, there have been many other such wielders of power. But their countries were not free, nor can any country remain free under such despotic power. Some of the current worship of powerful executives may come from those who admire strength and accomplishment of any sort. Others hail the display of Presidential strength simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of power. This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government TOTALLY at war with that of the Founding Fathers, IT IS THIS ONE .
- Barry Goldwater

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 1:40 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,”

Always suspected Conyers rode the short bus to school

dmann on April 9, 2009 at 1:41 PM

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 1:32 PM

My bad.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:41 PM

and figures that as long as he is adored, he has no problems.

ORconservative on April 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Perhaps. But I’m trying to have a little optimism with my lunch today!

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Conyers, why is this word not setting right with me?

sheebe on April 9, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Perhaps. But I’m trying to have a little optimism with my lunch today!

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Get use to the Shi%burger and a well shaken can of warm Pork soda.

dmann on April 9, 2009 at 1:47 PM

This is the beginning of the end…Obama will begin to realize he cannot secure American safety and appease the “party” that put him in power.
He has to choose, and he will choose hopefully security, and the leftists will go berserk on him.
No matter how much money he hands them, no matter how many new gov. programs, this is what abortion is to the religous conservatives…it is non-negotiable.

right2bright on April 9, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I don’t think Obama thinks much further than where today and tomorrow’s adulation will come from and figures that as long as he is adored, he has no problems.

ORconservative on April 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I don’t adore him like Millions here don’t. You are right, he probably has no problem with his daughters wearing burka’s. He is not a man to trust.

sheebe on April 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM

DIRT doesn’t matter. You don’t defeat a trans-national terrorist organization by occupying medieval villages.

Yesterday, President Obama presented his “comprehensive new strategy” for Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was neither new, nor a strategy. Behind all the rhetoric, he just said, I’m sending more troops and more money.

Barack Obama? I heard Lyndon Johnson. The only LBJ touch that BHO lacked was the word “escalation.”

The rhetoric was masterly. The content was drivel. He said, “The situation is increasingly perilous.” Which situation? Why? For whom? Certainly, it’s becoming more perilous for our troops as we escalate in support of the wrong policy.

Or how about Obama’s ringing claim that the Taliban have “nothing to offer the Afghan people but terror and oppression?” Many Afghans — at least among the Pashtun plurality — don’t agree.

The tribals deep in those valleys and the Pashtuns in Pakistan feel a lot closer to the Taliban’s values than to ours. They might not mind a new road, but they’ll skip the bikinis and Budweiser, thanks. The Talibs are home-boys. We’re the foreign element. Why is that so hard to grasp?

All of this circles back to the core of the problem — and it’s not Afghanistan. Afghanistan’s not worth a mullah’s hemorrhoid. Putting the bulk of our effort into Afghanistan amounts to attacking a crisis in California by rescuing Nevada. It’s Pakistan that lies (and lies and lies) at the heart of this problem.

To his credit, Obama noted Pakistan’s importance. Then he got all the solutions wrong.

Start with his inane — but touchingly American — statement that “the people of Pakistan [and Afghanistan] want the same things we want.” Oh, really?

How many readers think Sharia law would be a good idea? How about beating the crap out of women just for yuks? Or stoning them to death because they smiled at the wrong time? And let’s ban alcohol, bare arms, dating and jobs for women. And grow those beards, fellas!

And how about asking ourselves the fundamental question: “Why is India a success story and Pakistan a complete failure?” Any chance that backward Islam might have something to do with it? We can’t bribe people to succeed.

Our president identified al Qaeda as Pakistan’s No. 1 enemy. That’s wishful thinking. Pakistan’s leading enemy has always been corruption. No. 2 is its home-grown Islamist insurgency. Al Qaeda’s way down the list.

Our pathetically naive president articulated one sound goal — defeating al Qaeda — then told us how he wasn’t going to do it. Like LBJ, all he can think of is more troops and more aid. Can’t we ask ourselves why the Taliban’s thriving? After the military beatings we’ve given them? How many of our troops must die for an empty policy?

Hey, hey, ho, ho, BHO, why don’t your supporters go?

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I want to preface this next statement with the fact I am VERY pro military…

But unless somthing in the Strategic situation changes, we’re gonna loose Afganistan.

We have no secure supply lines, and it does not look like Bambi can get Pakistan to play ball. With the rejection of his latest attempt to buy them off… our supply situation got worse.

Adding MORE troops, makes the supply situation even worse.

Now, we could possibly supply by air and such, but that is a VERY expensive proposition, and Bambi just cut the Defense budget.

Afganistan may very well go down in Military History as another case of the Viet Nam conundrum… where an army wins every battle… but the Politicians loose the war.

Romeo13 on April 9, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Get use to the Shi%burger and a well shaken can of warm Pork soda.

dmann on April 9, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Luckily for me, I get to eat my own burger. I knere it comes from which is a great relief.
As for the pork soda-
guess I’m glad I quit drinking all kinds of soda.
Yuk.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I knere know where it comes from which is a great relief

DUH.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM

I love the picture that is used for this one. So apropos for anything The Messiah touches. Looking for his prompter.

Dingbat63 on April 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM

That one, and the one under the title:

Pushing immigration reform in a recession?

…. where he has his head cocked to one side like a dog that just heard a strange noise.

UltimateBob on April 9, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Jive talking can get complicated, until you understand that jive talking is talking in circular lies. Many just call it the shuck and jive and our ACTING president is the master of same.

tarpon on April 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Each day that goes by, he gets further and further away from his Troops Out Now Code Pinko position he ran on, and closer to Bush’s position of Conditions On The Ground that he ran against. I can only speculate that once he actually got into the position, he was shown the reality of situation, and is acting accordingly. It’s very easy to be critical when there’s no repercussions for it, and you don’t have all the facts to deal with.

JamesLee on April 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

He makes his decisions based on politics. You think he really cares about any of this one way or another?

Joe Caps on April 9, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Nothing better than a good burger!, No soda here (does Tonic water count) Enjoy, time to spin the pedals, spring is finally here…I think?

dmann on April 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Circa 2012:

Just about four years ago I set out on Obama’s Afghanistan road,
Seekin’ my fame and glory, lookin’ to turn a mullah’s hemorrhoid into a pot of gold.
Well, things got bad, and things got worse, I guess you will know the tune.
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.

Flew in on a big plane, I hope I’ll be in one piece flyin out when I go.
I was just passin’ through, must now be yet another 2 tours or more.
Running out of time and patience, looks like they took more of my friends.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.

The Hope and Change man in the White House said yet again I was on my way.
Somewhere I lost his connection, he ran out of words to say.
I came into Kabul, a one year stand, looks like the plans fell through again
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.

Mmmm…
If I only had a woman, for evry Obama tour Ive done.
And evry time Ive had to fight while Huhnerfalken Obama and Biden sat back home power drunk.
You know, Id like to catch the next plane back to where Im from.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.

- CCR Soldier Boy

MB4 on April 9, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Default route of the Left – War = Quagmire.

Imagine today’s Left during the Civil War or WWII. Even the short time we were in WWI they would’ve been screaming the Q word.

crazy_legs on April 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Naive, or a brilliant, coordinatied strategy of triangulation?

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM

OT, somewhat, but just for background….

I’ve been stuck in Sonoma County CA for the last 6 years, which is Lynn Woolsey’s congressional district. It should be noted that her entire historical campaign platform is that she is a single mother. Yup, Congressperson Victim, at your service.

It is also notable that this is the most corrupt (on every level) county I have ever seen in my life. I have now lived in 12 counties in the country, including Chicago, Dallas, San Antonio, San Francisco and Oakland. I’ve never seen the level of drug addiction and alcoholism, as well as casual daily criminality, that I’ve been forced to watch for the last 6 years. The courts, city councils, etc are a sham; one municipality has highjacked the local watershed for over 50 years with no interference from the Corps of Engineers, and recently made a deal with a sham “tribe” to build a casino. This “recreational asset” is of course backed by Las Vegas money.

Due to the nearby “Wine Country”, as well as the thriving trade in high-grade marijuana and methamphetamine production, Santa Rosa (county seat) is a magnet for illegals, especially since it is the Northernmost city on U.S. 101 before it goes to 2 lanes. The cops will tell you the gang situation has been out of control for years.

The Congressional Record a few years ago characterized Woolsey’s Congressional district as “the Left-most county in the United States.”

Q.E.D.

warbaby on April 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM

He makes his decisions based on politics. You think he really cares about any of this one way or another?

Joe Caps on April 9, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Honestly, sometimes I’m not sure exactly WHAT to think. In most of my moments, I really want to give Obam’ter the benefit of the doubt in that he really does NOT want America to end, he simply wants to transform it into something most of would reject out of hand (I know, that’s something of a distiction without a difference).

And yes, I’m also certain he makes every decision with the politics of it in mind. That was one thing I admired about Geroge W, that he staked his position, and stuck to it, politics and polling be damned.

So with that in mind, what does one make of this “escalation” in Afghanistan, or troop surge, whatever one calls it? Obviously his base will be having none of it, and those of us on this side are too skeptical of his motives. Exactly what does Obam’ter gain from alienating both sides? Either there is polling data we don’t have, or he’s being forced to deal with reality.

JamesLee on April 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I question the need for the words ‘war plans’ in that headline.

Vashta.Nerada on April 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Is Detroit in Michigan? hmmmm

Wade on April 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Republicans need to put an ultimatum to Obama: No funding for Afghanistan without funding for missile defense.

Steve Z on April 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM

The WSJ points out that Obama routinely voted against such funding requests while a member of the Senate…..

He actually voted when he was in the Senate??

Who knew.

BigWyo on April 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Romeo13 on April 9, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I think that we will NEVER win in Afghanistan, ever ever ever. Look guys the British, Russian, God knows who else have tried for over a hundred years now, and this godforsaken hell hole is just not a country you can go in and “win” in. There is NO military strategy that can be used for victory in that country NONE. I love our military, and if they are there I will support THEM, but this is one arena that we should have just stayed the hell away from. The Russians are laughing their asses off at us about this. History is repeating itself for the umpteenth iteration.

That said, Iraq was a victory for our military, and if the politicians would move over our guys would wrap things up the right way, and get home when that country was stable.

That said, I tend to agree with a previous post, I think Obambi will get denied and then go “oh well” and pull out. It will be interesting to see.

catlady on April 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM

dmann on April 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Every time I think spring has come, we get another snow storm & 7+ inches of snow.
Am I ever ready for spring. Ugh.

Badger40 on April 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM

This issue is going to be entertaining to say the least. How is Obambi going to do the right thing and satisfy his base? He just isn’t that good, IMHO.

JAW on April 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM

THIS… will get ugly.

JohnGalt23 on April 9, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Steve Z on April 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Republicans need to put an ultimatum to Obama: No funding for Afghanistan without funding for missile defense.

No, that’s the kind of BS the democrats do. If you believe that winning the war is important, you don’t tie its funding to some other, unrelated thing. That’s just crass politics.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Took Conyers this long to figure this out?

We knew Obama was naive a long long time ago…tried to warn the populace, but they were just too hung up on HopeyChange.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

catlady on April 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I don’t think there is anything mystical about Afganistan.

We “could” win there IMO, but trying to build a Democracy there is counterproductive to our interests.

An Islamic Democracy is an oxymoron… as Turkey continues to show… may be stable for awhile (in historic terms), but won’t be at this time of history, and is NOT a long term freind to the West.

Real key is that to disrupt an insurgency, your enemy cannot have a safe haven in which to train, hide, and supply… you need secure supply lines… and you need a freindly populace…

Iraq shifted when the populace got the clue that the Americans were on their side… the “awakening”… but I don’t see that happening in Afganistan.

Add in that they HAVE a safe haven in Pakistan… and our lack of secure supply lines… and you have a recipie for disaster.

Romeo13 on April 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Rahm Emanuel and a combination of Pelosi and Reid will take care of any critics of Obama within the Democrat party (and media).
What ever the One does or says is gospel. You start questioning the One on anything means questioning him on everything.
That is how religions work. It cannot be tolerated.
Let us watch for dirt to be tossed out on any Democrats who question Obama.

albill on April 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Obama can count on Republican support for the funding

I don’t know why they should. Obama has advanced no real strategy to win in Afghanistan. Nor did Bush before him but so long as Iraq was the main battle ground in the WOT, it might have been necessary to de-emphasize Afghanistan. Now that we have succeeded in Iraq not strategizing in Afghanistan is no longer acceptable.

edshepp on April 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM

“He’s the smartest slimiest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said.

FIFY Rep Conyers

notashamed on April 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM

The problem with the “star power” effect or appeal for President Obama is the volume of facts you had to ignore to vote for him. One of those facts was that John McCain was imminently better qualified to be Commander in Chief.

The facts are that during the debate where foreign policy and the war was discussed, McCain ate his lunch. There is no question and no point in even arguing. When questioned about Afghanistan, McCain gave a detailed answer involving in-depth knowledge of even individual tribal regions and their unique challenges. I was actually very impressed with his insights. Obama’s answers were generally a deer in the headlights agreement with what John McCain said; repeatedly, for that entire area of questioning. He truly looked bewildered. The joke at my house was that if Obama won, he’d have to make John McCain SECDEF because he didn’t have a cogent plan himself but seems to admire McCain’s grasp of the war. All Obama could say was that he agreed with what McCain said but oh, he’d be able to do it better and faster. Well here we are, no?
He has no different plan for withdraw from Iraq than John McCain and isn’t even prosecuting it any differently than George W. Bush did in the first place. There isn’t a dimes bit of difference between what the theater build up discussion was this time last year for Afghanistan under the Bush Administration than what Obama is doing right now. Yet the media and Obama’s starry-eyed followers are proclaiming what a foreign policy genius he is.
Where the rubber hits the road, there is still a war being waged. Now, he doesn’t even seem to be maintaining confidence from his own liberal colleagues that he’s prosecuting the war in a way they’d see fit. Heaven help us.

catlady on April 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM

The Russians would be stupid to be laughing at us considering the comparison of casualties and loss of material. They suffered nearly 15,000 dead in regular army, irregular forces and civilians in nine years. As far as equipment goes it was even worse. Take just helicopters. The Soviets lost the equivalent three whole US Army Aviation Brigades worth of helicopters. There are approximately 120 or so helicopters in a US Army CAB. The Soviets lost 333 helicopters.

hawkdriver on April 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM

“He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes.

Can Conyers say oxymoron?

Johan Klaus on April 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Well, let’s see how this plays out. I for one think that it would be a coup if he got Republican support over support from his own party. I would like to see if he really has balls to go against his party or if Michelle still has them locked away.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on April 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM

catlady on April 9, 2009 at 2:41 PM

But, Obama is going to close Gitmo and bring some of those dear unfortunate souls to the U.S..

Johan Klaus on April 9, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I don’t think Mr Obama or Mr Bush or Mrs Clinton or Mr Blair have any of them ever really grasped what we are up against. It is good that they recognise the humanity we have in common with tribal, uneducated, superstitious Muslims but very foolish to overlook what makes us different.

This really is a “hearts and minds” conflict, with the competing force being Islam. Without a strategy for erradicating Islam from their hearts and minds and replacing it with something constructive, how can we make what we might call progress?

My fear is not the Mr Obama will abandon the mission but that he will throw everything into it, stirring up huge trouble along the way, because his ego sees the opportunity to prove himself by bringing forth a cosmopolitan, latte drinking, community of sophisticates amidst the romantically rugged landscape.

YiZhangZhe on April 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.) dismissed Mr. Obama’s plans as “embarrassingly naive,” and suggested that the president is being led astray by those around him. “He’s the smartest man in American politics today,” Rep. Conyers said. “But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.”

I’m sorry but his intelligence IS the problem. Smart people make the most and biggest mistakes. They make as many mistakes as mentally challenged people do but the result is more devastating because people believe them since they are smart. We need smart people because every once in a long while one of them will come up with an idea that brings humanity forward. But, really, we need to keep them on a leash like pets. People of average intelligence make the fewest mistakes. The graph I saw from the studies that have been done makes a perfect reverse bell curve. Also, smart people usually don’t make good leaders. I assume all this is due to them living in the abstract instead of the real world.

Keep them on a leash.

Gospel Moody on April 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM

“Obama can count on Republican support for the funding,”

I’m going to take a moment just to savor the irony of Obama having to rely on “the Party of No.” That stone will bcome embarrassingly hard to cast again, won’t it? I can’t wait for this vote, which looks to be gratifying on every level.

JM Hanes on April 9, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Gospel Moody on April 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I don’t know what the heck you are talking about.

Let me straigthen you out, smart people are what drives society. The Precedent is NOT a smart person. Neither is Conyers.

Your diatribe against smart people is silly and totally incorrect.

progressoverpeace on April 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

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