ASU denies honorary degree to Obama because he hasn’t accomplished anything

posted at 8:45 pm on April 9, 2009 by Allahpundit

It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

The university decided against awarding Obama the degree because it is customarily awarded for “lifetime achievement,” ASU spokeswoman Sharon Keeler told POLITICO.

“It’s normally awarded to someone who has been in their field for some time,” she said. “Considering that the president is at the beginning of his presidency, his body of work is just beginning.”

Obama was invited by the university to be its commencement speaker and accepted the invitation in March. But a separate six-member committee that determines the awarding of honorary degrees did not nominate him to receive such a degree.

Meanwhile, the Notre Dame nonsense continues to fester. I didn’t realize that Bush had delivered a commencement address there in 2001; knowing that now, I’d say O’Donnell has the better of the argument with Buchanan from tonight’s Hardball. A quote from the Church’s official catechism:

Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, nonlethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.

Buchanan’s point about innocent versus guilty life is well taken but seemingly irrelevant to Church teaching. Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

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HMMMMM, is it also because O’bunghole refuses to release any of his college transcrpts?
(I just COULDN’T pass up that dig on the usurper)

nelsonknows on April 10, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Answer to the closing question. According to the Catechism of th Catholic Church…

Are abortion and capital punishment morally equivalent in the eyes of the Catholic Church? Paragraph 2267 of the Church’s Catechism begins:

The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.

Paragraph 2271 discusses abortion and says in pertinent part:

Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion.
This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.
Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law….

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/cnns_roland_martin_misstates_c.html

V15J on April 10, 2009 at 1:38 AM

“I’ve got two daughters.9 years old and 6.I am going to
teach them first of all about values and morals.But if
they make a mistake,I don’t want them punished with a
baby”.

-Barack Obama

canopfor on April 9, 2009 at 9:43 PM

You edited out all the “ums” “you knows” and incoherent pauses.

Beyond that I’m curious why the innocents should suffer if the Obama brats are as whore-like as their mother.

highhopes on April 10, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Well, certainly a large university is going to have faculty and staff that hold values which conflict with those of the organizaiton. Certainly some of the students will. Why not let the guy speak?

I can understand the honorary degree part, but I don’t get the speech.

DaveS on April 9, 2009 at 9:14 PM

It’s NOT a large university. It is a large Catholic university. Catholics are against wheeling abortions that don’t result in immediate death into closets to die without any further assistance. Obama sponsored the legislation that made any such assistance a crime in Illinois….

What about this don’t you get?

highhopes on April 10, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Beyond that I’m curious why the innocents should suffer if the Obama brats are as whore-like as their mother.

highhopes on April 10, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Was that really necessary?

Ryan Gandy on April 10, 2009 at 1:57 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Because the death penalty is a decision taken because the Governor believes it is a necessary evil. Because he weighed the alternatives and decided that deterrence of murder is a moral good that outweighs the moral cost of executing evil people. Whether right or wrong, Governor Bush at least believed he was doing the right thing.

Abortion, on the other hand, is an unambiguously evil act, chosen out of pure selfishness, and the perpetrators know damn well that there’s no excuse for it. No one murders their baby because they believe it is the lesser of two evils.

joe_doufu on April 10, 2009 at 2:39 AM

I used to work in Tempe, AZ. ASU is as Lib as you can get. This is surprising. Maybe they will wait until after his second term…

Vigilante on April 9, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Every university is liberal, when you look at the teachers and students. Most of the administrations, and prominent alumni, are conservatives. What we saw at ASU is a conservative board of administrators making a decision. I’ll bet that the students and faculty will be protesting to change the decision in no time.

joe_doufu on April 10, 2009 at 2:43 AM

No one murders their baby because they believe it is the lesser of two evils.

joe_doufu on April 10, 2009 at 2:39 AM

Sure they do. Here’s what the new Dean of the Episcopal Divinity School said in a sermon:

And when a woman becomes pregnant within a loving, supportive, respectful relationship; has every option open to her; decides she does not wish to bear a child; and has access to a safe, affordable abortion – there is not a tragedy in sight — only blessing. The ability to enjoy God’s good gift of sexuality without compromising one’s education, life’s work, or ability to put to use God’s gifts and call is simply blessing.

Occasus on April 10, 2009 at 3:32 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Because one is an issue Conservatives can stand on, and the other isn’t.

PresidenToor on April 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM

Lawrence O’Donnell is a retard. I couldn’t make it all the way through this video because I can’t stand idiots who just talk over everyone and never shut up. This seems to be the standard liberal tactic for TV, these days. I see so many liberals who just won’t shut up and let someone else speak, that I really wonder why the producers don’t actually control the mikes to allow a little fairness and sense into the discussion. But, to have to listen to someone with an IQ of 33, such as this twit O’Donnell, ramble on incoherently is torturous.

I wish it were Nora O’Donnell. At least that way I could have just turned all the sound off and enjoyed the picture … pretending that she was not spouting some of the basest stupidity imaginable.

This world is in a bad way. It has become totally detached from reality, and the reconnection is going to be fierce, bloody, and absolutely horrific.

progressoverpeace on April 10, 2009 at 3:56 AM

I liked how Pat made the point that polls don’t measure truth. There’s a common delusion among liberals that morals are determined by popular opinion.

joe_doufu on April 10, 2009 at 4:23 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Didn’t Ed write a series of really, really long posts on this topic?

Mark Jaquith on April 10, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

It’s not rocket science, Allah.

One is taking an innocent life, another is taking a life for horrendous misdeeds.

mwdiver on April 10, 2009 at 7:46 AM

Of course we know

THOUSANDS

who had a TRIAL are put to death every day through capital punishment.

/sarc

37 executions in the whole country in 2008.

Not even worth comparing.

CWforFreedom on April 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM

The 2 are not morally equivalent. There’s no wiggle room with abortion. The other is left to judgment.

sheesh on April 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?
AP

Please take some of that vast wealth you’ve accumulated as a blogger, go downtown and buy a clue. There is really no point in trying to educate you on this as your complete lack of faith precludes your ability to undstand matters of faith.

SKYFOX on April 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM

“understand”
Sorry.

SKYFOX on April 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Oh, I don’t know Allah…perhaps the death of an innocent victim versus the death of one who manufactured the death of others?

Amendment X on April 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I had to laugh at the reaction to this story. The fact is that both books do not constitute any form of scholarship. Nothing is even documented, so they are worthless and could just as easily be published by himself as a Vanity Press endeavor. The fact is that he hasn’t put together any type of record yet.

The truth really bummed out a lot of those who have him on a pedestal.

AnninCA on April 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

I finally have something besides Pat Tillman to be proud of when it comes to my alma mater. Still though, I can only say “Bear Down.” Go Wildcats.

matthew26 on April 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Vatican City had death penalty on the books until the 1960s. Abortion has been condemned by the Church time outa mind.

Akzed on April 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

sheesh on April 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I know. It gets old hearing people comparing a baby to a cop/child killer, right?

Ryan Gandy on April 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Why is Obama’s pro-choice invite a problem when Bush’s pro-capital punishment invite wasn’t?

Because the people of Notre Dame say it is.

You know you have a lame argument when you have to stoop to equating abortion with the death penalty.

xblade on April 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

The university decided against awarding Obama the degree because it is customarily awarded for “lifetime achievement,” ASU spokeswoman Sharon Keeler told POLITICO.

“It’s normally awarded to someone who has been in their field for some time,” she said. “Considering that the president is at the beginning of his presidency, his body of work is just beginning.”

I was thinking about this last night. Normally, the process of nominating and selecting candidates for honorary doctorates is a very secretive process. There’s a lot of campus politics involved (deans often vie with each other for a limited number of HDr slots) and, frankly, it can be embarrassing when someone’s nomination is not successful, particularly for the candidate. It’s really odd that someone from ASU would speak on the record about the fact that Obama was considered for an honorary degree. I wonder why they decided to go on the record about it.

Y-not on April 10, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Did Notre Dame give Bush an Honorary Degree?

remywokeup on April 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM

I’m glad to see I wasn’t the only one annoyed by Allah’s question.

V15J on April 10, 2009 at 1:38 AM

Thanks for the link.

Al in St. Lou on April 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Did Notre Dame give Bush an Honorary Degree?

remywokeup on April 10, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Wake up and read the thread.

Y-not on April 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

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