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AP sends cease-and-desist to — itself!; Update: AP responds

posted at 10:57 am on April 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Unlike some in the blogosphere, I have some sympathy for the Associated Press’ efforts to force aggregators to stop carrying its stories in their entirety.  Granted, the AP has acted like buffoons with bloggers, refusing to credit blogger sources in their stories and attempting to impose a ridiculous word-count standard for fair use, so my sympathy for their intellectual rights is somewhat limited.  But when they start attacking their affiliates for using their content, I think the entire project has run off the rails (via Joe Gandelman):

Here is another great moment in A.P. history. In its quest to become the RIAA of the newspaper industry, the A.P.’s executives and lawyers are beginning to match their counterparts in the music industry for cluelessness. A country radio station in Tennessee, WTNQ-FM, received a cease-and-desist letter from an A.P. vice president of affiliate relations for posting videos from the A.P.’s official Youtube channel on its Website.

You cannot make this stuff up. Forget for a moment that WTNQ is itself an A.P. affiliate and that the A.P. shouldn’t be harassing its own members. Apparently, nobody told the A.P. executive that the august news organization even has a YouTube channel which the A.P. itself controls, and that someone at the A.P. decided that it is probably a good idea to turn on the video embedding function on so that its videos can spread virally across the Web, along with the ads in the videos.

The entire point of posting videos on YouTube is to make them go viral.  If AP wanted to protect its videos from bloggers, as an example, they could set up their own native player that couldn’t be embedded.  In fact, as TechCrunch points out, YouTube offers the option of turning off the embed code so that people can’t post the video on their own sites.  And if a user discovers later that they don’t want the content shared, the user can delete the video altogether and reload it for private use..

But the larger point here is that WTNQ isn’t some random blog site.  WTNQ pays the AP to be an affiliate, which should give them the right to redistribute AP’s content.  In their zeal to ensure that no one “steals” AP’s content, they’ve attacked a paying member of their network.  WTNQ tried explaining this to the AP execs, to no avail. This YouTube video interview explains it — and it’s not an AP video, so feel free to help this go viral:

The affiliate relationship actually works both ways, as Andrew Malcolm reminded us in our show on Tuesday.  The AP gets access to material developed by their affiliates and republishes them on the wires.  They can take WTNQ’s reports and republish them at any time.  Unfortunately, the AP doesn’t appear to grasp the bi-directional nature of the relationship too well.

I understand why the AP has a problem with Google, for instance, which takes the material and republishes the articles in their entirety, depriving the AP and its affiliates of ad revenue.  However, if they’re going to start attacking affiliates (and anyone else) for using the embed codes that the AP approves on their YouTube channel, then this project can be renamed Operation Beclown Ourselves immediately.

Update: Third Pipe suggests that the AP look at the Terms of Use at YouTube.

Update II: Read the comments; several have links to Google’s response to AP, which is that they bought licensing rights for several million dollars in order to republish the content.  Has the AP just decided to declare war in general on its distribution partners?

Update III: The Associated Press sent me this response, which I’m publishing in full:

There was a misunderstanding of YouTube usage when the Tennessee radio station was contacted by the Associated Press regarding the AP’s more extensive online video services. No cease and desist letter was drafted or sent by AP to the station at any time. The AP was trying to offer the station a superior service for their needs.

Tech Crunch actually claimed that it was a cease-and-desist letter, but I meant it more figuratively in the headline — like a note asking the station to knock it off.  There’s a difference, and if anyone got confused, I certainly apologize.


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Well,Tennessee is a red state and went 70% for McCain…

ladyingray on April 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Sorry,can’t help meself
Assholistic Propensities

oldernwiser on April 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM

In their next brilliant move to protect intellectual property, they will demand that Allahpundit cease and desist using his name because it can be shortened to AP. And following that, they intend to sue the A&P supermarket chain and Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson.

Mr. D on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Mr. D on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Adrian Peterson is probably worth more than AP at this point. So, most likely, is A&P. And possibly Allahpundit.

If it hasn’t been claimed, I’ve got June 21, 2011 in the AP death pool.

Snowed In on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Almost forgot this part: If AP’s suit is successful, Allahpundit must change his nom de blog to Betamale, abbreviated as BM.

Mr. D on April 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Mr. D on April 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Then they’ll sue the alphabet itself, for using the letters A & P. As well as using all the other letters, which can be combined into AP stories.

rbj on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Well, there’s certainly a lesson to be learned…I think…

Amendment X on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I understand why the AP has a problem with Google, for instance, which takes the material and republishes the articles in their entirety, depriving the AP and its affiliates of ad revenue. However, if they’re going to start attacking affiliates (and anyone else) for using the embed codes that the AP approves on their YouTube channel, then this project can be renamed Operation Beclown Ourselves immediately.

I don’t. YouTube is owned by Google. AP is using YouTube as a printing press for its own material. If someone sued Google for AP pirating their content, Google would point at AP and say “All we are is the printing press. Over there is the printer, who has signed a contract with us stating that what he prints is his own intellectual property. We will honor your DMCA takedown notice, but that’s all we are legally required to do.” It’s like someone suing HotAir’s service provider for HotAir content with which they disagree.

Finally, as you have pointed out, AP has left on all the stuff that says “You are welcome to pirate this content.”

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Then they’ll sue the alphabet itself, for using the letters A & P. As well as using all the other letters, which can be combined into AP stories.

rbj on April 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Don’t forget the word “gypsy”. A&P has that one locked up too.

Or maybe they don’t. There are so many A & P’s today….

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Who is the AP? Where are their corporate offices? Who is on their board? Who collects the money that affiliates pay?

Look at the majority of Dem friendly, Republican baching stories – they all seem to come from “AP”. We can refuse to watch a tv show, refuse to listen to a radio program, not buy a publication, but how do we ignore “AP”?

Who is the AP?

SouthernRoots on April 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Great picture for this story by the way. Very apt.

Meric1837 on April 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM

AP, Pravda for the new century.

jukin on April 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Just in:
ABC, CBS, NBC has just issued a cease in desist order to Time Warner, Charter, etc. for them to stop using their content.

right2bright on April 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM

The head of Google said they have a multimillion dollar deal with AP. I won’t comment as to whether or not that deal is good for AP, but if Google is paying for the right to reproduce their stuff, they shouldn’t be in the crosshairs either.

Unless Obama says otherwise, of course.

hawksruleva on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I understand why the AP has a problem with Google, for instance, which takes the material and republishes the articles in their entirety, depriving the AP and its affiliates of ad revenue.

This has already been cleared up by Google

“The ultimate resolution of all is this will be determined by how you interpret fair use,” Mr. Schmidt said of the broader debate around Google News. But Mr. Schmidt said that he was “a little confused” by news reports that singled out Google as a target of The A.P. effort. He noted that Google currently licensed and hosted news stories from The A.P.

faraway on April 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM

All Propaganda

AP needs to go away. I can spot an AP story by its template at about 50 meters.

Everyone would be much better served by individuals writing stories that they knew, or at least had their fingerprints on them, and sharing them around than the propaganda control point which is now Associated Press.

Hiring a sales weasel to peddle your work is one thing, allowing them to “edit” it is entirely another.

AP stories are generally nothing more than liberal propaganda pieces. No matter what goes in, the same sort of garbage comes out.

They need to go away.

CrazyGene on April 9, 2009 at 11:23 AM

I can’t be the only person who though Alahpundit threatened to ban himself for trolling, can I?

Blake on April 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM

AP – Beclowned

Dr Evil on April 9, 2009 at 11:26 AM

So, the local affiliates and newspapers pay to belong to the AP association, which allows them to reprint the news from the AP wires and allows the AP to wire their local stories around the country/world. Which then allows Google, per a deal with the AP, to take that content and plaster it on their site, and none of that revenue trickles back to the locals.

I can understand where local anger would come from that, but don’t be mad at bloggers for reposting news from Google. Be mad at the AP.

Nethicus on April 9, 2009 at 11:30 AM

The RCAA is with competition now.

BTW, OT but are there posting rules, like only so many per post? Because I’ve tried to post 3 or so in the immigration thread and they just disappear, no message.

amkun on April 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM

AP = Arrogant Proctology (on themselves)

tnmama on April 9, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Brillant. Just brilliant.

If memory serves, The News Organization That Cannot Be Quoted™ used to make its own player embeddable (it no longer is).

As for the Google situation, while Google News (and Yahoo News) are TNOTCBQ™ affiliates, their web-search businesses are the targets for, among other things, linking to, and archiving, non-affiliate sites that happen to use more than 2 words from TNOTCBQ™.

steveegg on April 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM

BTW, OT but are there posting rules, like only so many per post? Because I’ve tried to post 3 or so in the immigration thread and they just disappear, no message.
amkun on April 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Me too. Whassup w/dat?

Akzed on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM

AP = Aggregated Posteriors

swash_plate on April 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Who is the AP?

SouthernRoots on April 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The Associated Press developed out of the necessity for small town newpapers to have content that did not require “journalist/writers” on their payroll. With the slow disintegration of national news providers, AP is attempting to solidify its place in the new electronic media field that will have more conrol over news content. Right now they are a glorified Drudge Report with “writers/jounalist” that can not find a job with the shrinking national papers. They will be a powerful force in the media in the future because so many news providers will rely on them for content. And they do tend to provide left leaning and biased content over balanced views. Their Jamal Hussein fabrications that came out of Iraq did little damage to their reputation. My fear would be that AP would not allow commentary or rebuttal for what they write in the future and there would be no medium to challenge their “reports”.

Rovin on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Dilbert is an operations manual.

SDN on April 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Me too. Whassup w/dat?

Akzed on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I’ve found that most of the time this happens when you try to provide a link to your post. I think it’s a glitch in the process. I’ve also found that if you sign out and sign back in the posting problems seems to be far less intrusive. Just a guess.

Rovin on April 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM

BTW, OT but are there posting rules, like only so many per post? Because I’ve tried to post 3 or so in the immigration thread and they just disappear, no message.
amkun on April 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Me too. Whassup w/dat?

Akzed on April 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Like many other blogs with comments sections, we get hit with a tremendous amount of spam. We use a filter system that tries to stop spam from being published. One of the keys is hyperlinks. One or two will usually get through, but more than that puts the comment in moderation.

Also, resubmitting the same comment over and over again results in all of them going into the moderation queue. If your comment does not immediately appear, Allahpundit or I will eventually approve it.

Ed Morrissey on April 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Google is also a paying affiliate of the AP, so, no, they really don’t have a legitimate gripe with them either.

In August of 2006:

Google has agreed to pay the Associated Press for use of its news stories and pictures, according to a statement released by the two companies on Wednesday.

And as of yesterday

His appearance came one day after The Associated Press announced a news industry initiative to track down copyright violators on the Internet and try to divert traffic from Web sites that don’t properly license news content. The AP didn’t name any potential targets, but some news reports focused on Internet search engines like Google.

Schmidt said Google has a multimillion-dollar licensing deal for AP content.

“I was a little confused by all the excitement in the news in the last 24 hours,” he said.

Pam on April 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM

AP sends cease-and-desist to — itself!

Dissociative nuance.(tm)

The Associated Press developed out of the necessity for small town newpapers to have content that did not require “journalist/writers” on their payroll.
Rovin on April 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Yes, and if I read it right, it was a decentralized sharing network. With the telegraph, independent newspapers recognized how expensive and burdensome it was to send a journalist cross-country. Why not network and re-print content from another member, closer to the story? Good idea, but today it is a centralized leftist hole.

Feedie on April 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Obviously the AP finds its lawyers in the same cabbage patch as it finds its reporters.

curved space on April 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM

These are of course the same morons that make up news and play name that party on every news story involving Dems.

flytier on April 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I yearn for the good old days of UPI. That was a news organization that actually had reporters who reported the news and even local bureaus state-wide that would collect news. I miss the stringer fees I used to collect too!!!!

flytier on April 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Well I’d be okay if they would cease and desist the left wing propaganda.

petunia on April 9, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Who is the AP? Where are their corporate offices? Who is on their board? Who collects the money that affiliates pay?

Look at the majority of Dem friendly, Republican baching stories – they all seem to come from “AP”. We can refuse to watch a tv show, refuse to listen to a radio program, not buy a publication, but how do we ignore “AP”?

Who is the AP?

SouthernRoots on April 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM

From their website:

2. Who owns The Associated Press?
The Associated Press is a not-for-profit cooperative, which means it is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.

That explains a lot.

Christian Conservative on April 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Funny!

AnninCA on April 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The AP was trying to offer the station a superior service for their needs.

Oh, is that all it was doing? I’m sure that’s as accurate as most of the reporting they disseminate.

strictnein on April 9, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Thanks for the info Rovin and Christian Conservative.

From the AP site:

The Associated Press is the bastion of the people’s right to know around the world. With a long history of involvement in FOI issues and actions, AP is an industry leader in “open government issues.”

The scope of AP’s efforts worldwide is extraordinary. Whether reporting on Iraqi prisoner abuse or the difficulty in getting aid to tsunami victims, AP captures the consequences of government action or inaction.

At the state level, AP open government efforts are coordinated by the chief of bureau, working in conjunction with state members, FOI councils, industry associations and other interested groups.

“We must remember that no government, no administration, is going to give us our rights if we are not ready to stand up and fight for them.”

Associated Press President and CEO Tom Curley, in a Feb. 6, 2009 speech accepting the William Allen White Foundation award for journalism excellence.

Democrats unidentifed in corruption stories and Republicans always identified.
Obama policies = good, Republican policies = bad.
Democrat plans = good, Republican plans = bad.
Muslims = good, christians = bad.
Non-religious = good, christians = bad.
Terrorists = abused, US soldiers = abusers.

Why do most AP reports look like they came from DNC headquarters?

1500 newspapers and the overwhelming positive news is for the liberals and against the conservatives. If they held to their policy stated above, we would be seeing a more balanced, cynical view of the government and its actions.

SouthernRoots on April 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM

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