Pakistan: Give us the drones and get out
posted at 12:25 pm on April 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The US conducted another series of drone strikes inside Pakistan today, but they may be the last – if Pakistan’s Ali Zardari gets his way. Bridget Johnson reports at The Hill that Pakistan has sent Richard Holbrooke home empty-handed after President Obama sent him to meet with Zardari about the $7.5 billion in aid Obama promised. Obama wanted guarantees on how the money would get spent, but instead, Holbrooke got ultimatums:
U.S. envoys met with Pakistani leaders on Tuesday to ensure that the $7.5 billion that President Obama plans to send their way over the next five years will be used to achieve common goals in the fight against extremism.
But according to a Pakistani newspaper, regional envoy Richard Holbrooke and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen came up empty handed and received a “rude shock” when a proposal for joint operations against Al-Qaeda and Taliban forces in the volatile tribal regions was rejected.
Dawn newspaper reported that Pakistan also asked the U.S. to turn over the unmanned drone missions over the territory to them, saying that the drone strikes were fueling extremism.
And The Independent published an interview with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on Wednesday in which he said Pakistan would go after high-value targets on their own if the U.S. would hand over its drone technology and intelligence.
That certainly puts a crimp in Obama’s plans to go after al-Qaeda targets in Pakistan. It also demonstrates why George Bush spoke carefully about efforts in Pakistan, although in this case, it wasn’t Obama who let the cat out of the bag about drone operations originating in Pakistan rather than Afghanistan. That honor belongs to Dianne Feinstein, whose public comments blew Pakistan’s plausible deniability and put added pressure on Zardari to act.
Pakistan’s demands follow a series of diplomatic setbacks for Obama on his European tour. NATO won’t commit any new combat troops, leaving the Americans alone in bolstering front-line fighters. Russia won’t discuss Iran and its nuclear weapons programs, but got Obama to hit reverse on missile-defense systems anyway. The world has taken Obama’s measure, and found him wanting.
Will Obama cave on this demand? Pakistan has no intention of angering tribal leaders by continuing the drone strikes; they admit as much when they claim that the strikes stoke extremism. If Obama retreats on that front, it will leave the western frontier of Pakistan a free zone for terrorists and their leaders. We certainly don’t want to give Pakistan our drone technology, as that would create real problems with India, who has a reasonable worry that Islamabad might use drone to target them rather than radical Islamist terrorists in NWFP and Waziristan.
These international tests just keep piling up, don’t they? Joe Biden, it turns out, was an optimist.
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Love the picture.
cs89 on April 8, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Send Gov. Palin back over there. She can use her Jedi mind charming: “These are not the drones you are objecting to.”
rbj on April 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM
That is a nice pic.
Firebird on April 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Even the IDI doesn’t want to be tied to Barry.
Vashta.Nerada on April 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM
the applause dies down – still no clothes.
marklmail on April 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM
What do they call it when you give away military secrets during wartime?
RobCon on April 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Obama: I apologize for not getting the drones to you sooner. All our Arabic-speaking translators are “distracted” in Iraq.
Wait, you people speak Arabic right? No? Maybe you speak Austrian?
battleoflepanto1571 on April 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Mr. Benazir Bhutto won’t last long. Next.
Christien on April 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM
HELL NO!
CP on April 8, 2009 at 12:31 PM
As to the content of this post, I fear Obama may lose Afghanistan by way of allowing Pakistan to become more of a safe haven.
cs89 on April 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Wait, what happened to the pic?
cs89 on April 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Obama needs the drones until the 2012 election.
the_nile on April 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
A Democrat speaking? or would that be a NYT press report?
Romeo13 on April 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Just FYI, I put the first picture up as a placeholder so I could get the post published. It featured Sarah Palin shaking hands with Zardari, but Palin doesn’t have anything to do with this article. I found and used a pic of Zardari by himself, which I think is more appropriate. The first pic was the only one we had in the archives at the time.
Ed Morrissey on April 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
LOL.
He has only been president what 11 weeks? What are we in for in the next 3 3/4 YEARS?
Theworldisnotenough on April 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Test 35…. Grade?
dogsoldier on April 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM
US: (politely) No fucking way.
ernesto on April 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Yeah, given ‘em the drones and the money. Wouldn’t want to appear ‘arrogant’ now would we? Then we can watch as suddenly the Taliban and AQ suddenly acquire new weapons, including drones, from ‘unidentified sources’. Sure are lucky that we have ‘The Miracle Worker’ on our side. What with all that ’smart diplomacy’.
GarandFan on April 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Does this sound like a good idea to anyone? Sounds to me Pakistan wants to sell drones and technology to our enemies. In the spirit of making new friends abroad and shafting the people at home, I’m sure Obama will do it.
Tommy_G on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Ed…you forget that Feinstein was just following the Obama administrations guidelines for openness and transparency. Also, try to remember she is part of the most ethical congress evah!
dmann on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Why would we send over Obama voters?
Of course if we did unemployment and cannabis use might drop
LincolntheHun on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Hey, after Barry’s handling of the Kyrgyrstan base renewal agreement, Americans have every reason to believe he’ll flounder on the drones, too.
Christien on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM
That’s a wise move on Zardari’s part. Barak Obama has his hands full dealing with millions of domestic business owners. He will have no time whatsoever to waste dealing with any enemies OUTSIDE our borders at the same time.
logis on April 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM
It amazes me that they thought Pakistan would do anything but REJECT this offer.
Barry is a weak sister… not a strong horse… and their own internal politics will not allow them to appear to be under American control, in anything.
In Politics, Charisma is ALWAYS trumped by Real Politik…
Barry is relying on Charisma… and its failing miserably.
Romeo13 on April 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM
I thought the Obama administration was doing a great job wrecking the US economy but, apparently, that’s nothing compared to the job their doing on foreign policy.
myrenovations on April 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Who wants the Palin picture back?
Say “Aye”
Aye
rbj on April 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Ed Morrissey on April 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Ah. Just remembering 4/1/09, I guess.
That, and trying to figure out what is or isn’t banworthy on the AP Palin threads.
Sure you can’t post more of the Palin stuff yourself, Ed?
(Sorry for the OT, but there it is).
cs89 on April 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM
So Pokeestan didn’t show Obambi the love?
ctmom on April 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Perhaps that is actually the plan? If we don’t give our drone hardware, our intelligence and our dollars to a country we’re pretty sure would cease the drone assaults, we potentially lose any help toward being successful in Afghanistan, even by the Dems definition of it.
Obama will thus have justification for bailing on Afghanistan – it becomes his unwinable war that he believes he is too clever to get stuck in. And he gets kudos from the “War is evil” moonbat crowd.
katiejane on April 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Zardari’s just playin’ it cool. He knows what happened to Rick Wagoner.
Get used to this kind of international pressure on Osama Obama. It’s clear to world leaders that the child-president has neither the spine nor experience for playing hardball.
Today, Pakistan puts the screws to us. Tomorrow, who knows?
MrScribbler on April 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Epic fail.
But ya know, I honestly don’t see “charisma”…rather, I see a smarmy snake oil salesman. He’s never come across to me as anything but slimy, slick, and self-serving.
ladyingray on April 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM
America should not be afraid of war with Pakistan. Pakistan does not have a stable government. I assure you that if America gives Pakistan drones, they’ll use them against India.
India has been watching with trepidation as the US gets closer to Pakistan. India is pretty pissed that the US continues to give Pakistan military equipment and intelligence. The only thing Pakistan wants it for is the same reason Pakistan wants nuclear weapons. . . India.
They want to use them in Kashmir and Pakistan. It wasn’t that Bush did a ‘wonderful job’. It wasn’t that Feinstein ‘let the cat out of the bag’. Pakistan is an enemy of ours. If we don’t realize that we will continue to waste time, money, and any regional political capital we might have left with India (who could help us counter balance China and Russia).
Co operation with Pakistan gives us NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, ZIP internationally and it makes us look weak (we have to have Pakistan’s help to get Al Qaeda and we still haven’t gotten Bin Laden who is in Pakistan).
We need to go to war with Pakistan to protect our soldiers there. We need to treat Pakistan like we treated Iraq. We need to coordinate with India and they’ll give us all the help we could possibly need.
Stop with the ‘Pakistan is our friend’ schtick. It was never the case. Musharraf began playing us like a fool. The international community is laughing at us at how blatantly the Musharraf Pakistani government played America.
It’s not that Obama is dumb or Feinstein, and Bush was an utter failure here beginning with Tora Bora.
Pakistan is NOT our friend, and they won’t ever be. I don’t understand why it is so difficult for people to see that. They are a bigger enemy to us than Russia and China, the difference is that they can’t reach us . . . yet.
ThackerAgency on April 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The line forms…
ladyingray on April 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM
The line forms…
ladyingray on April 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM
America should not be afraid of war with Pakistan. Pakistan does not have a stable government. I assure you that if America gives Pakistan drones, they’ll use them against India.
India has been watching with trepidation as the US gets closer to Pakistan. India is pretty pissed that the US continues to give Pakistan military equipment and intelligence. The only thing Pakistan wants it for is the same reason Pakistan wants nuclear weapons. . . India.
They want to use them in Kashmir and Pakistan. It wasn’t that Bush did a ‘wonderful job’. It wasn’t that Feinstein ‘let the cat out of the bag’. Pakistan is an enemy of ours. If we don’t realize that we will continue to waste time, money, and any regional political capital we might have left with India (who could help us counter balance China and Russia).
Co operation with Pakistan gives us NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, ZIP internationally and it makes us look weak (we have to have Pakistan’s help to get Al Qaeda and we still haven’t gotten Bin Laden who is in Pakistan).
We need to go to war with Pakistan to protect our soldiers there. We need to treat Pakistan like we treated Iraq. We need to coordinate with India and they’ll give us all the help we could possibly need.
Stop with the ‘Pakistan is our friend’ schtick. It was never the case. Musharraf began playing us like a fool. The international community is laughing at us at how blatantly the Musharraf Pakistani government played America.
It’s not that Obama is dumb or Feinstein, and Bush was an utter failure here beginning with Tora Bora.
Pakistan is NOT our friend, and they won’t ever be. I don’t understand why it is so difficult for people to see that. They are a bigger enemy to us than Russia and China, the difference is that they can’t reach us . . . yet.
ThackerAgency on April 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Hey, remember when it was George W Bush who was allegedly creating more terrorists with his policies. Remember when Obama was supposed to have “smart” policies that wouldn’t fuel the recruitment of more terrorists. What happened to that?
And, by the way, I’m all for killing as many terrorists as possible in Pakistan or anywhere else. It’s just that drone attacks and special forces operations are things that are best done quietly and denied afterward.
When Obama was spouting off during the campaign about going into Pakistan and now they are publicizing each new drone attack, how did he think that was going to be taken in Pakistan? When will the media start criticizing Obama for creating more terrorists? Any minute now, I’m sure.
JohnInCA on April 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Oops, ’scuse the double post, please.
ladyingray on April 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Multiple choice question
Obama’s response will be:
1. Studying the situation.
2. Refer it to the UN.
3. Name another envoy. (Where is our Secretary of State?)
4. Offer more money.
5. Say he inherited the problem.
6. Send Joe Biden out to the press with message that everyone is following Obama’s lead.
7. Turn all drones over to Pakistan.
8. “How soon can we get that new puppy in the White House for the kids to distract the press?”
albill on April 8, 2009 at 12:46 PM
“Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate… we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.
“I probably shouldn’t have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here…”
Joe Biden
logis on April 8, 2009 at 12:47 PM
BWAHAHAHA! Obviously, they see in Obama another Jimmah Carteh.
chunderroad on April 8, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Is anyone keeping tabs of all of the money Odumbo is spending and/or promising? Unbelievable!
txag92 on April 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Not going to happen.
getalife on April 8, 2009 at 12:49 PM
12/21/2012
Obama, a one term President has been replaced by a tough sounding Republican.
Iran, Pakistan and Russia, determined to grab as much as they can before the new American Administration takes over, attacks the U.S. with nuclear missiles. Secure in the knowledge that after 4 years of appeasement, Obama will do nothing.
We all die.
CrazyGene on April 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM
ThackerAgency on April 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM
+100
dmann on April 8, 2009 at 12:51 PM
…9. Invade like he said he was going to do during his campaign.
Oh, crap. I just went back and listened to the tape. Obama said he was going to invade someplace called “Pohkistahnn”.
Never mind.
logis on April 8, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Ed, you’re really going to have to consider an Obamateurism of the Hour instead of the day…
…no way we can keep up
DamnYankee on April 8, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Did they ask for our satellite network too? I believe you need that in order to control our ‘drones’.
ZenDraken on April 8, 2009 at 12:54 PM
LMAO. Yeah, right, and IIRC, A Q Khan is out and about now and probably underemployed. We might just as well sell it on the open market to everyone and collect the profits ourselves.
Dusty on April 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM
***
The real test for President O’Bummer (PBUH) will be when the Pakistani Jihadis take over the government and set up their nuclear armed terrorist state there.
***
This is coming soon–hundreds (thousands?) of Wahabbi Madrassahs are training the future fighters now. The military and government are afraid of, or unable to win against, or in bed with the Jihadis. Even Benizer Bhutto did not understand the situation–it only took a few weeks to kill her.
***
When the nukes fall into the hands of the terrorists India will have to attack Pakistan to survive. Ditto Israel and the new U.S.S.A.
***
Bad trouble coming soon–it’s like the Texans standing on the walls of the Alamo and seeing the first Mexican Soldier of General Santa Ana’s Army coming over the horizon.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on April 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Sad to say, “It’s not a done deal that Obama is a one term president.” If the economy picks up a little in the next 2.5 years or so; If illegal aliens are given the right to vote; If there are no terror attacks forign or domestic; If the Republican Party continues to pick losers to run; If good men (and women) continue to do nothing. Then Obama could be easily be elected to a second term. I also predict in 2012 that he will have a running mate other than Joe Biden.
Tommy_G on April 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Nope, he’ll just send more IPods and worthless DVD’s…..and then he’ll cave.
Knucklehead on April 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM
These are not the drones you’re looking for… -Obi Obama.
Tim Burton on April 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM
If they are like the Stinger missiles Hamas bought, they won’t do what Pakistan wants them to do. American targets are designated “friendly.”
mchristian on April 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Great. Now Zero is about to FUBAR Pock-eee-stan too!
Don’t worry. Zero plans to send out Easter hams to all Middle East leaders. Fancy spiral-sliced ones with the crunchy honey spice glaze.
viking01 on April 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM
We should do it, but keep an over-ride control at our own ground stations, and then after they launch we take control and whack all the ISI leadership – plausible deniability? Blame it on the Pakis.
Otis B on April 8, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Ah-Dolts in charge.
the_nile on April 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I hope that Obama responds forcefully and effectively to the international challenges that are developing. I’m going to reserve judgement until he actually does something in response. I’m not encouraged, though, by his European and Middle East
campaigntrip where he’s fond of apologising for Bush and otherwise showing himself to be obsequious and weak.gwelf on April 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Pakistan is Americas best friend and Islam is awesome. Go to the mall. Look for some oppressive ideology peddlers.
BL@KBIRD on April 8, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Obumbles still hasn’t apolgized frequently enough, or sincerely enough. He should apologize to the world every morning, publicly.
Thenthey will respect him.james23 on April 8, 2009 at 1:15 PM
We should give them a counter-offer…kill all the terrorists and we’ll get out. Liberals are incapable of dealing with enemies and war.
orlandocajun on April 8, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Potential Pulitzer?
hawksruleva on April 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM
orlandocajun on April 8, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I think it’s because the first response is to seek a way to appease during a confrontation in the hopes that it will work. Kinda like Chamberlain.
Now, you and me, we look for advantages when stuff like this comes up – how can we turn this to our advantage and get the upper hand to deter the bad guy from doing anything?
Otis B on April 8, 2009 at 1:23 PM
I can’t understand. Bammy was so nice to everybody over there?
Do you mean to say, being nice to other people, doesn’t always get you what you want? Or anything at all?
I am disillusioned.
Really though, did this guy grow up in a bubble? What world does he live in?
Try this “nice guy apologizing for everything” on the streets of DC and you’ll get rolled by the homeless three times by sunset. You’ll end up peniless and naked.
Can Bammy perhaps take the hate and contempt he has for Republican-Americans and perhaps transfer that to the people who are kill Americans and who want to kill more? Or at least pretend that it’s a matter nearly as large as his re-election prospects in 2012?
NoDonkey on April 8, 2009 at 1:23 PM
The Tora Bora debacle made all of this possible. Rather than invade Iraq, I would’ve much preferred an American encirclement of the savages in Tora Bora, and a landscape littered with their bones.
Oh well; I guess it’s moot.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 8, 2009 at 1:25 PM
They are running scared, looking at the sky, trying to find that tiny drone, then boom.
They are history.
getalife on April 8, 2009 at 1:27 PM
getalife on April 8, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Admit it, you don’t even read the headlines before you cut and paste your droning (pun intentional) responses over and over again, do you?
Otis B on April 8, 2009 at 1:36 PM
What could possibly go wrong…
Seriously though, if the Pakistanis want us out now that means we’re getting close. The ISI is behind this plan to get us out and they have connections to Al Qaeda.
Cr4sh Dummy on April 8, 2009 at 1:41 PM
This is a real test. Understanding the situation over there is crucial, and encroaching on their territory without their permission doesn’t do a whole lot for improving relations, even if it does rid the world of some jihadists. We sure don’t want to piss off our allies over there, but give them our drones and watch what happens. I don’t think Obama would ever consider doing that, but what they do when he says no will be interesting.
scalleywag on April 8, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Hey Obama! Sucks to be you!!!
capejasmine on April 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM
faraway add this to your Test list.
TheBigOldDog on April 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaOnrAh2xSs
jaboba on April 8, 2009 at 1:59 PM
“The world has taken Obama’s measure, and found him wanting”
nuff said
notagool on April 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM
FTW
Rae on April 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Look, it’s Sheriff Joe riding the bomb like Dr. Strangelove!
chunderroad on April 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Well, we need to remember that what Pakistan says publicly and what they allow us to do privately are two entirely different matters.
I would have been surprised has they come out publicly and supported Holbrooke’s requests.
Let’s seem if the drone attacks increase or decrease over the next months.
That’ll be the measure.
SteveMG on April 8, 2009 at 2:09 PM
How many votes does a drone get nowadays?
More or less than a homeless guy or a felon?
Guess it depends on how many different polling stations ACORN can direct the drone towards.
Will a drone take $20 to vote? Can a drone need money?
And how does the drone community feel about Bammy’s performance as
Bed Crapper in ChiefPresident.NoDonkey on April 8, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Surely you are not talking about the poor dears who are driven to militancy by their extreme poverty, by our occupation of their formerly bucolic paradise, by American greed, by our dropping a bomb on Hiroshima, our support of the Zionists, yada, yada, yada.
Oh wait, a Democrat’s in office now.
By all means then, waste them all. Losing wars now might hurt a Democrats electoral chances.
Losing wars then = big Dem win. Time’s have changed.
NoDonkey on April 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM
The Pakis will probably use Ali Khan to mount nukes on our drones fire at an unsuspecting country and claim the US renegades at the CIA did it. But don’t worry we have a steady hand at the ship of state, when he’s not apologizing to the world for our existence.
eaglewingz08 on April 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Its a good thing liberal-dominated Google is covering for Obama, because a “miserable failure” bomb would hit the spot, right about now…
Virus-X on April 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I have an old RC place in the garage attic they can have.
jack herman on April 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM
I have an old RC PLANE in the garage attic they can have.
jack herman on April 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM
jack herman on April 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM
The Obamination’s response to Pakistan will be, “yes sir, right away sir, sorry sir, anything you say sir.”
Grafted on April 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM
SNORT. In the morning, the first thing I do is scroll through the front page just to read the titles, and one-liners after the thumbnails. Ed, sometimes I just laugh out loud at your sense of humor and wit with words.
“Give us your drones and get out.” That’s priceless.
/walks away shaking head and snorting
Traffic Cop Timmy on April 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Apparently, this presidential stuff is harder than it looks.
Better have a couple more town hall meetings so he can get his mojo back. I’m sure there are still plenty of worshippers out there that are will ing to fall in the aisles and be healed.
“On the road again
Just can’t wait to get on the road again
The life I love is makin’ music with my friends
And I can’t wait to get on the road again”
Traffic Cop Timmy on April 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM
How about we keep the drones, get out and still use them?
ThePrez on April 8, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Zardari looks like Al Swearengen from Deadwood in that pic.
Oh and Obama = FAIL
pseudonominus on April 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Well, well, well…………………
……….. it appears that elections do have consequences after all!
Seven Percent Solution on April 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Those individuals unconcerned about the consequences of an Iranian nuke need to observe how hand-tied we are in dealing with Pakistan, land of the Islamic nuke.
Soon Iran will be funded by our State Department and will be free to do what Mullahs do without consequence.
Maquis on April 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM
They did encircle Tora Bora, but one of the locals they made the mistake of trusting betrayed them, looked the other way, and helped bin Laden escape.
Del Dolemonte on April 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM
How does one vote ‘present’ in Swahili or Bahasa I wonder?
Dr. ZhivBlago on April 8, 2009 at 8:15 PM
When I hear drone I think of Uhhhhbama’s speeches and fall asleep.
darwin-t on April 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Hell, now we should not give them the drones. If they want us out of there we leave. We also tell India we don’t give a flying pig what they do to Pakistan up through nuking the place. Meanwhile if Pakistan gets in the way of our troop supply they will be “dealt with” severely up through attacks on their Parliament building.
Or at least we should let Pakistan know that is our policy.
Pakistan is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
herself on April 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM
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