Video: Psychotically angry military veterans and the academics who must tolerate them
posted at 8:28 pm on April 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
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A special treat from Penn State’s instructional series on how to cope with “Worrisome Student Behaviors.” It seems our heroine’s been saddled with one of those ill-educated military types and, try as she might to reason with him, his bestial rage keeps getting in the way. Whatever is she to do? Watch and learn, my friends, in case you too are confronted by one of these menacing ne’er-do-wells.
Incidentally, this comes from the PSU College Republicans’ YouTube page. Why not just watch it at the PSU link up top? Funny thing: There are four videos in the series but this one, uniquely among them, doesn’t play. It appears to have been disabled for some reason. I wonder why.
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The VA needs to come out with some videos telling vets how to properly deal with crappy, condescending leftists college professors who don’t allow criticism or debate from their students.
29Victor on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Logic Fail. There is a need for a writing center *because* you are expected to know how to write in college. The students who get in who somehow don’t know how to write need to do remedial work.
It is *not* the job of the professor to teach students basic grammar.
I know. It’s still a toilet.
I agree with this 1000%. This is a pretty awful practice.
Proud Rino on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Yes, I’m sure it was. So why was the premise set up around a veteran? It could just have easily, and as effectively, been built around a generic student.
JeffWeimer on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Let me clarify that… what I mean is sometimes the reason has nothing to do with the teacher (i.e. a student in a high stress environment who can’t handle the fact that they aren’t doing well)
dead-duck on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Veterans are always among my best and most respectful students. As an instructor, I can’t relate to this video at all.
SheofTwoMinds on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Well, obviously if they’d known a bunch of wingnuts (not referring to you specifically) were going to get all PC about it, I think they probably would have done it without any explanations.
But, like I said, this is actually a pretty common accusation (from my very anecdotal evidence).
Proud Rino on April 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Yeah,,, how long will we have to wait for all the other instructional videos??? You know,, the ones they really need to make,,, like,, oh,, say,,, the angry blue haired gay student who gets threatening with his Mormon Professor,,
or the nutcase wacko environmentalist student who keeps murmuring that all capitalists should be put to death to save the planet,,,
Yeah,, I’m sure they’ll have those videos out next week!
JellyToast on April 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM
This couldn’t have been done with any other type of student?
I mean I know it would have to be a white, protestant male who is from the south, but why a veteran? These people know nothing about the military, how many vets are going to be openly hostile and “threatening” to an authority figure? Didn’t they just get out of a place where they daily took orders from someone a hell of a lot meaner than a professor?
Stupid. We should make a video about a black homosexual who can’t write his papers because all he does is rap about AIDS… Or something equally offensive. I doubt we’d get away with “it’s just an instructional video about someone with a learning problem.”
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Penn State University. Isn’t that the home of the “Nitally” Lions? http://vodpod.com/watch/987323-not-catching-a-break-in-pa
diogenes on April 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I think they set it up around a veteran because they wanted to make a video to illustrate how to deal with a confrontation, and then they were like, “Say, while we’re at it, let’s put a big F-U in for the troops, because we hate them.”
Proud Rino on April 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I don’t mean to imply that you’re an idiot, but exactly what did you learn about dealing with “dangerous behavior” from this video?
logis on April 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM
This is PC? PC is saying that they can’t publish a video like this and all the people should immediately be sued and fired. This is just a question of disrespect for vets.
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Whats interesting is the immediate reaction you have, that the Vet has no just complaint.
As someone who was called a NAZI by a history proffesor 15 years ago in a College class…
and as someone who has had my childrens grades lowered because of THEIR political stands (where they were graded not on the validity of their research, but the content of their views, and the PRINCIPAL said I was correct)…
AND as someone who taught adult education for a number of years… and been wrong himself.
The teacher is not always right.
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM
i think there’s a disagreement here about what this video is.
you seem to think it’s about grammar.
that’s a pretty – well, almost comically superficial interpretation.
clearly, the video is about dealing with a hostile student who assumes bad faith on the part of the professor; specifically, ideological bias.
i think logis, with whom i seldom see eye-to-eye, has a better understanding:
eh on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 PM
If you are expected to know how to write, there is no need to teach you what you already are assumed to know.
If they don’t expect you to know this, then that’s why they provide a writing center: because they know it is not realistic to expect students to write well these days.
But they know if they held students to standards of twenty or thirty years ago, they would not have enough enrolled to make a go of it.
About ten years ago, there was a lawsuit out of Temple. A math professor who had been there for decades, and tenured was fired. He kept giving the same level of difficulty tests decade after decade, and of course, most of his current students did poorly. There were so many complaints, they tried to fire him. He sued. They settled (He was close to retirement, anyway.)
Wethal on April 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Also, I see no instructional value in this. It’s:
Hey there’s a crazy soldier in my classroom who seems like he’s mentally handicapped.
Well that’s unfortunate. You can send him here so I can deal with him, oh and you should call the police if you feel threatened (who doesn’t do that already?).
And then,
I’m irrationally angry because I’m a veteran.
At no point do I understand the instruction of the video. It’s basically a liberal cowering the whole time and it tells you to call for help if you think someone will hurt you. Did you need a video for that?
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Why not? If he starts whining about how
STEP ONE: go to your superiors and tell them all he’s a violent maniac.
STEP TWO: When he threatens to complain about how “You’ve made it perfectly clear in your class how you feel about the ‘evil’ things my people are guilty of”… the problem has already been taken care of.
logis on April 7, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Being bothered by this portrayal has nothing to do with being a “wingnut”.
I personally don’t believe this video is some sort of intentional attack on anyone, I think it shows ignorance.
They could easily have made the student a black kid from Philly, but they wouldn’t, because they would see how that could enforce a negative stereotype.
But when it comes to the vets, they are so blind to their concerns/sensibilities that they don’t even see how this video could be seen as unfairly singling them out.
By making the student a part of a specific group, they run the risk of undermining their intended purpose by making it seem like the problem is one of veteran students behaving agressively rather than a generic problem of students that aren’t happy with their grades.
For that reason, I think the video was poorly done.
And I think the fact that it was able to get this far without anyone realizing that shows the disconnect between most of the people in academia and the military.
dead-duck on April 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
You know, a good rubric, which is standard procedure when assigning a paper or project in the 21st century, would have come in handy here…
mathscience41 on April 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Ha! That would require a professor to be responsible for something! I haven’t seen that in my two years of college!
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Oh, man, all too familiar. I was that guy as an undergrad (with GREAT cause, I might add), in grad school, and, now, I’m on the flip side of that coin.
Many students are confrontational. The ‘professor’ is handling this badly, because her nebulous ‘grammar’ is simply a tool to foment the confrontation. She should have taken his paper and shown him explicitly why it was a c+ and what needed to be improved. Instead she ‘gives the paper’ the grade. Nope. Bad form all around.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Instruction for propaganda purposes. Indoctrination for the professors who aren’t on the same page yet about veterans, conservatives, Republicans, etc. Also, a reason to feel good and justified for fearing such people and thinking they’re all crazy.
Loxodonta on April 7, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Not necessarily… there’s still room for subjectivity with a rubric… and if there’s room for subjectivity, there’s room for complaints…
… at least that was my experience ; )
dead-duck on April 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Yeah, I’ve thought about it and decided that Penn State, the public school funded with taxpayer dollars, decided to put out an antimilitary video, because they hate the troops. Makes sense. You guys really nailed this one.
Proud Rino on April 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Rubrics are complete crap, tools for people who cannot assess on their own or explain their determination. You can’t assign a blanket grade to a paper in any fashion as the subjective will always be subjective. Rubrics for English or essays are so vague as to be merely tools to begin interpreting, but do not define squaddly doop.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Chronicle of Higher Education Forum Thread on Teaching the Combat Vet (Sterotype alert!)
Wethal on April 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM
The other thing that struck me about this video… and one of the problems I have with the modern eduacation system in general..
Is that every teacher is on their own. No one looks over their shoulder, and they are not trained to ask for help.
This teacher could have easily asked her Supervisor to look over the paper, and give it an honest grade to double check her own attitude, and see if the students concerns had any validity… but that was never evan a thought, from either HER or her supervisor.
The grades is most College classes are very subjective… and everyone knows it… but the conclusion was drawn by the supervisor that the student had no valid complaint… and he did not even ask to see the paper in question.
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
That’s profiling, and profiling is wrong.
thomasaur on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I’m not sure why, but I am reminded of the college elites who went down south to document racism against muslims, but the only prejudging people they could find was in the mirror.
So combat veterans aren’t likely to put up with other people’s crap. Since when is this a new thing? Especially when a condesending @ss is involved.
Someone said it earlier, **yawn**.
Hog Wild on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha. You think taxpayer money means anything?
ACORN. Planned Parenthood.
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Did it not occur to her to soften his savage heart by milking away his warrior man juice?
Always worked on me.
BL@KBIRD on April 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
The university, at least my university, backs up anything and everything that anyone affiliated with the university does. I hate them with a passion, because they’re very rarely right.
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Penn State
InstructionalPorno Video SeriesJohn_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
That’s a good point.
I think it seems like it really lays out the problem without ever offering a real solution. Maybe it’s intended as a discussion tool? A sort of “Where did she go wrong? What would you do differently” type thing?
It certainly doesn’t seem to be very helpful….!
dead-duck on April 7, 2009 at 10:28 PM
and
Some interesting bits from the CHR Forum. The second brought this rare common-sense response:
If you want to find out what teachers really think about certain groups of students, check the fora on the CHR Careers page. Every now and then there’s the “How to teach closed-minded religious student” issue. Never the closed-minded feminist or the closed-minded “blame whitey” black student.
Wethal on April 7, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I don’t know about Penn State, but no Department Chair would ever suggest such a thing, nor would they accept that suggestion.
There is no ’supervision’ of grades. If a professor, lecturer, or adjunct has obtained the job, there is the tacit understanding that they know what they are doing.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Yeah… they find themselves in a hole, of their own digging… when they can’t even fire Ward Churchill…
Like anyone was looking over HIS shoulder all those years….
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM
29Victor on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM
+1
Mike D. on April 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I’m not an instructor, but I am an employer and I can’t relate to the video either.
I never served in the military but everything else being equal I’d hire a vet over a non-vet. Every veteran I’ve dealt with brings a strong work ethic to the table. I’ve seen a similarly strong work ethic from some “civilians” but I’ve also seen many “civilians” who expect to be paid for showing up and brushing their teeth twice a day.
The leftist who made this video clearly doesn’t know our veterans. They’ve read about a caricature on Daily Kos or something.
beancounter on April 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM
In my last government class, the professor was very exacting. The only two students who received ‘A’s (that I know of) were myself–an AF vet-and a guy who was an Army NCO. Apparently the two of us were the only two who knew how to follow instructions with minimal whining.
PSU can bite me. Oh wait! Am I scaring their pansy asses? I’m sorry.
Not.
baldilocks on April 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Did it not occur to her to soften his savage heart by milking away his warrior man juice?
Always worked on me.
BL@KBIRD on April 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Penn State Instructional Porno Video Series
John_Locke on April 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I thought it was just me seeing this. When she expressed concern for her safety and the Dean came around the desk, I heard the “bowchickawowwow” music start.
“So little lady, does that brute have you worried? Let me give you a back rub.”
TugboatPhil on April 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
“What sort of problems with grammar are you talking about?”
“Well, right here in the first paragraph, you say ’soldier’ without clearly stating whether you were referring to the occupying war criminal or the patriot who detonated his explosive vest.”
cthulhu on April 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM
That guy didn’t sound like a veteran. He sounded like a liberal. Yes, there are plenty in the services, but he sounded like one who had never been subject to the slightest bit of discipline.
baldilocks on April 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Exactly my point… even the F’n President of the US has some oversite… some check on their power.
But those thar Profesors have that thar Book Larnin… so I guess they’re special!
I recently audited a college class on Network Engineering… it was based on Microsoft Press books…
I’ve been an MCSE (Microsoft Certified System Engineer) for over 10 years… and a Microsoft Cert Trainer (MCT) for 8 years…. I spent 7 years TEACHING (for a tech training company) the exact class I was auditing, but I had to audit the class to get the College credits for it…
I was very quiet throughout the class… even when the teacher was wrong… as I always hated those know it all students and didn’t want to mess this young guys class up…
Interestingly enough? He initialy gave me a C+ for the class… because even though I aced most of his questions… and could give valid rebutal to the questions I “got wrong”… I was not participating in class…
Funny part? The Microsoft test you have to pass to get the Cert? I’d gotten about a 96% on and it was a MUCH harder test than this guy gave…
When I approached HIS supervisor… my grade was changed… but anything after that was consider ‘Private’…
But I still see that guy teaching the same class there…
IMO the only jobs left that have no consequence for failure, are Congress, and Teaching…
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM
I don’t know about most of you but when I was in college the best students in the class were the vets. They were studious and respectful and didn’t clown around like the rest of us. However, if I had gone back to school after being in combat and was treated like this guy by that condescending bitch, I might have become homocidal!
inspectorudy on April 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM
That’s because both systems are hopelessly broken and breed failure as a goal.
On the subject of Vets as students – Never had a problem, they are usually well read, excellent writers, and able to carry on a conversation logically without resorting to ‘fairness’ or ‘feewingz,’ and that’s both male and female servicemembers. Respectful, too. Plenty of difficulties with the ‘entitlement’ crowd, though.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM
The real problem is not that the class is subjective; it’s that Liberal Arts attracts nothing but subjectivist teachers. They’ve all spent their entire careers doing absolutely nothing but denying that they are being subjective.
“I gave you the grade you deserve because your grammar and composition need some help.” What in the Hell does that even MEAN? Without using specifics, there is no practical difference between saying, “I don’t like you,” versus saying: “I don’t like your paper.”
Think about this for a second. Can you imagine a teacher in a real class telling someone: “The reason I gave you that grade is because your biology is bad.” Two things would happen: 1) You’d think he was a jibbering idiot, and 2) You would be right.
But in liberal arts, you can do that kind of crap all day long and nobody can ever “prove” that your feelings are wrong. Is it really just a gigantic coincidence that field absolutely nothing but moonbats? Somehow, I don’t think so.
logis on April 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM
I doubt any veterans or conservatives had anything to do with the production of this video. How would they know how a veteran actually behaves? They are looking at veterans and depicting them through the lens of their own bias.
Loxodonta on April 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
True. He reminded me of the chaff that the Service identifies and separates very quickly.
Maquis on April 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Instructional video material?
mossberg500 on April 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Hmmm, your premise is insupportable. I hold a terminal degree in English, I’ve taught at a University and still at a Community College and a public high school, and I’ve worn BDUs and combat boots, I ran Agony and Misery at Fort Knox, and I’m one of those gun huggers. I take umbrage to the idea I’m a ‘moonbat,’ sir. Or ma’am. Or whatever.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Makes me wanna root for the shooters…
palarson on April 7, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Nurse Ratched.
Johan Klaus on April 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Absolutely not one veteran involved in that sad piece of educator education. They already “know” how a veteran behaves, they surely don’t need to actually soil themselves by actually consulting with one, besides, what if the veteran, like, you know, objects to something? Then you’d have to run away screaming bloody murder. Libs are so much better than us, they can prove it because their intentions are so much better, that their biased lens are the most accurate discerning device on earth, just ask them.
Maquis on April 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
The exception that prooves the rule?
Are you saying that Liberal Arts is a bastion of Conservative Thinking?
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Tenure is a constant state of rising anxiety caused by the failure of the world outside the university to conform to your theories. Most academics are people who would look at a map, realize they are lost, and begin dynamiting the surrounding terrain until it looked more like the map.
Liberals frequently mistake their ability to construct elaborate theories about everything with “intelligence,” and spend a great deal of time patting themselves on the back over their superior brainpower. Actual intelligence requires adaptability and rational self-criticism, which are wholly absent from the leftist mindset – they know everything there is to know about everything, and their positions are never “wrong,” although the Party will occasionally issue official corrections of the approved positions, causing the previous positions to vanish completely. Academia is like this in spades – look at all the “scientists” who smoothly shifted from concerns about a new Ice Age to global warming, then suddenly announced the officially approved academic concern is now “climate change.”
Liberalism is endlessly attractive to the academic because it flatters their intellectual vanity. The worship of Big Government requires the belief that a small group of special people is more qualified to run every aspect of life than the benighted masses. Liberalism invites the academic to consider himself part of that small, special group. It leads to the embarrassing idol worship that characterizes all liberals, from dimwit blog trolls to lifetime tenured professors and Hollywood millionaires. Since the liberal is so special, so morally and intellectually superior to the herd, it is necessary for the leaders of liberalism to be absolute supermen – only a demigod could claim authority over the epic heroes of the faculty room. That’s one of the reasons why they magnify their leaders to such an absurd degree, turning them into objects worthy of veneration. A sad old fraud like John Kerry became Captain America, the greatest soldier who ever lived; Barack Obama is a Lightworker, evolved both mentally and physically beyond lesser men; Michele Obama is so stunning she can rock entire continents to their heels, and is surely Senate material as soon as she wants a seat; Hillary Clinton was the smartest woman in history until Michele Obama came along; Ted Kennedy is a “liberal lion,” and indulging him in the negligent homicide of a young woman was a small price to pay for his magnificence; and so on. It is a phenomenon visible in every leftist government, as you can see from the ridiculous stories Kim Jong Il circulates about himself, or the way liberals worship a rancid old thug like Fidel Castro and never fail to mention how “brilliant” he is.
The reverse is true, which is why you get insulting nonsense like this video. The opponents of liberalism are sub-human, psychotic, emotionally damaged… Note how the liberal never spends much effort trying to persuade his opponents of the rightness of his position. The enemies of the Party are not reasonable people who can be convinced, but rather mental defectives who must be denigrated and insulted at every opportunity. Some of this is tactical, as you can see from the now-infamous writings of Saul Alinsky, but a lot of it is emotional, and nearly involuntary. Of course an energetic female critic of the Party’s leaders must be a witless chillbilly sex toy. Of course soldiers are either innocent victims of Chimpy McHitlerburton, or dangerous human time bombs just looking for an excuse to flip out and strangle someone. Of course religious people are all degenerate inbreds who can’t think their way out of paper bags. De-humanizing these people spares the liberal the effort of engaging them, or questioning his own wonderful specialness. The more resistance they see to their theories among the general populace, the more insular and bitter the academics become, and the more desperately they worship the ideal of the strongman absolute ruler who can force the benighted masses to accept the wisdom of socialist theory.
There is only one thing that will break the intellectual rigidity, arrogance, and hidebound conformity of academia: competition. It is the thing they fear most, and they will do anything to prevent it from being introduced into education. As the Dan Aykroyd character said in Ghostbusters, “I’ve worked in the private sector. You don’t know what it’s like out there. Those people expect results!“
Doctor Zero on April 7, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I’ll readily admit to being dense, but I fail to understand this. How can an exception prove a rule? I merely called to attention logis’ premise that
Since I am one but not the other, such absolutism is fallacious.
I never made any such assertion, simply that I am an English instructor and that I am not a Liberal, therefore any blanket claims are fallacious, logically.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Wow! That’s all I can say. The video seems to me to be blatantly trying to put the idea out that a veteran in a college environment is dangerous! It almost but not quite goes to the point of saying that this evil veteran is probably going to go home and get his automatic weapon and come back and cause mayhem, I say almost because at the very end they do put in his statement about getting the prof. fired instead of a physical threat, and I bet they only did that to cover their arses! I wonder…does anyone happen to have the statistics on how many school/other random shootings have been carried out by a veteran? Perhaps they should have used a disgruntled asian immigrant or perhaps a man of middle eastern descent, or just some stupid young neo nazi kid who likes to run around in a trenchcoat?
BadMojo on April 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Mr Sims, Vice President for Student Affairs drs37@sa.psu.edu
As a 1970 graduate of Penn State, I have always been proud to have attended Penn State. Upon viewing the youtube video in the subject of this message, I am very disturbed. As a senior officer in the US Army on the verge of completing my doctorate, I resent the way the veteran is portrayed in this video. There is an expectation by every student that instructors actually teach students. Younger students are still likely to believe this. Unfortunately, too many people who hold teaching positions actually are presenters instead of teachers. There is a plethora of information that has been complied on how to actually teach students who may learn differently. Why was the instructor not advised to use a different form of feedback?
Another issue I have with the video is that the veteran is portrayed as ignorant. Maybe you should check the statistics concerning intelligence of veterans from the volunteer army. The issues are more likely that your instructors are very good at spouting theory but lack the real world experience that the veterans have. Some of these young veterans have been involved in developing indepth intelligence and writing comprehensive reports concerning critical aspects of the war on terrorism. I have been amazed at the competence of these young soldiers in Iraq and other theaters.
If Penn State really believes that it can trash veterans in this video, I believe other aspects of Penn State is anti-veteran. How can Penn State expect alumni to contribute? I don’t expect my family will be contributing as long as this attitude is pervasive at Penn State!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhLq9NPLv0M
Randy C Fritz
COL, MS (Retired)
randycf on April 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/731/whats-the-meaning-of-the-expression-thats-the-exception-that-proves-the-rule
Sorry… just somthin this poor unedumacated guy heard a couple of times…
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM
“you know I need a B in this class”
Sounds like the typical whiny brats that come out nowadays. The vets I know? They’ve learned responsibility for their actions, and know that if they want to succeed, they have to do the work. POS people with the attitude that all vets are unstable baby killers. A long term study was done a while back. We all know that Vietnam vets were a bunch of insane homeless people, right? (sarc) Turns out that they did better over the last 30+ years than even their college educated peers.
bikermailman on April 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Then you should be well aware that everyone in the U.S. military knows how to read and write English. That’s a very useful skill. But, with all due respect, you don’t seem to know very much at all about moonbats.
A few years ago I found myself in a large university’s computer center – where students go to print out term papers. Just for grins, I stopped and had a look at some of them. About half were what I would consider “real” courses: Chemistry, Biology, etc. The other half were all variations on one single theme: “Why Americans/Men/White People Are Evil.”
Granted, this was several years ago, and I don’t know anything at all about these college grammar courses everyone keeps talking about. But pretty much everything else about liberal arts these days is – as the name would imply – pretty darned liberal.
logis on April 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Surely this video is a joke. Penn State isn’t that stupid, arrogant, defamatory, discriminatory?
eaglesdontflock on April 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
If I had college teachers that looked like that, I probably wouldn’t have skipped so many classes.
Speedwagon82 on April 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Ah. In that case, I would agree with your proverb, one with which I was hitherto unfamiliar. I’ve yet to deal with very many academics which are not howling moonbats, even the ones that have conservative tendencies. There are a few, yes, but only enough to prove the rule.
Thank you for your enlightenment, HA can be educational at times.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Snopes took a shot at it too: http://www.snopes.com/language/notthink/exception.asp
Which makes sense to me.
29Victor on April 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM
A buddy/coworker of mine was a SSGT in the Marines. I’ve heard about a couple of the types he had to put the smackdown on, to get them to pull their own weight. Slackers came around. He’s now a supervisor, dealing with some of the same types in our office. We’re unionized. He’s pulling out what little hair he has left. I often tell people in this town about Card Check, and if they want to see the pure hell that is coming our way, just drop in at the PO on any given morning.
bikermailman on April 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM
over at youtube, there’s this gem of an exchange:
would you believe that he also adorns his youtube user page with an airborn insignia?
eh on April 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Heh. You must’ve been in the ‘women’s studies’ or ‘ethnic studies’ section.
TinMan13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM
logis on April 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM
That’s why the split in the Nobel prizes today. The hard sciences? Still go to people actually deserving of it, because there are real answers, real problems, and if the solutions don’t work, you work til they do.
Any question why AlBore got the ‘peace’ prize, and not a science one? There was a German woman from the war, who had done ten times what Schindler did for saving Jews. Still alive (!), and had to see it go to a blowhard interested only in his own wallet, and power-hungry fools.
/spit
bikermailman on April 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM
I’ve worked in liberal academia. It’s the most intellectually incurious, stifling, biased, conformist and paranoid setting I’ve ever experienced. It’s worse than the 1950’s. You’ve described it well.
Loxodonta on April 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM
They infiltrate, they lie, they pose, they divide, they agitate, they troll, they Moby, many of them are paid to do it, and they’re everywhere.
We need to identify them wherever we see them, point them out and ignore them.
29Victor on April 7, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I would hope that no one with any sympathy toward or gratitude to the men and women who serve in the US military apply, attend, or donate anything to Penn State.
Let Penn State folks bitterly cling to their neuroses and to John Murtha in peace, or is that the same thing?
alice on April 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Actualy had a VERY smart physics profesor in Navy Nuc Power School explain it in this way…
The Universe is so large… and so beyond our comprehension, that is you have not found an exception to the “rule”, you have not looked at the premise hard enough, or done enough research into the subject…
Different take… but does make you keep questioning your assumptions… or it least it had that effect on me…
Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Exactly. The one profession that should be held accountable is the one that is almost totally without accountability. Tenure is the biggest mistake ever made, and not just at the university level but at all levels of teaching. And most of the academics I know live in an echo chamber where any disagreement with their views is perceived as static to be tuned out.
Deanna on April 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM
I would love to see a rating system geared towards veterans.
jdkchem on April 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Maybe that’s why he’s a “veteran” who looks like he’s eighteen-and-a-half years old… didn’t quite make it through basic.
But we’re reading way too much into this. We should try to excuse any amount of poor casting and horrifically bad acting, and just focus on the message itself.
If this had been a business management training video where a “fatherless black youth” got mad because his supervisor told him he disapproved of his background and then fired him with no explanation beyond “Your work is poor.” And the only suggestion the Vice President gave was “Call the police if you think he might become upset…”
No. On second thought, now that I think it through, if they’d used a white actor in blackface to play the part, that actually might have succeeded in making it even MORE offensive.
logis on April 7, 2009 at 11:46 PM
If the military is permitted to do what it does, to instill values and integrity and selflessness, it can indeed make a man out of a spoiled lazy brat. Most of the time. One of the reasons I love the military.
Sadly, one doesn’t have a hope in hell of being able to firmly declare similar principles in private environments, what with all the “rights” they have which are of course completely independent of their merits. Nevertheless, veterans are valued leaders in the private world for a reason.
Not academia of course.
Maquis on April 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Passive-aggressive vs. Testosterone.
htom on April 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Sure, they’re usually called “School of Engineering, Nuclear Reactor Lab.” Even among generally-Right-leaning students, those guys take the Jane Fonda Righteous Leftist Rage! Award every time.
Blacksmith on April 7, 2009 at 11:55 PM
You’d be surprised. Lots of college teachers complain that high school pumps out illiterates and they spend a lot of time teaching grammar and comprehension.
Schools these days promote self esteem more often than learning; and not wanting to hold kids back pushes kids forward in grades, when they should be held behind.
lorien1973 on April 8, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Nice training vid on how staff can collude to create a hostile learning environment while simultaneously justifying low institutional standards whenever challenged by higher caliber, assertive students.
How many bloody times does Ms. Creepy bleat “jist” to the graying superior? The correct grammar is “just,” woman!
Yeah, we get the “just,” adjunct loserette.
Christien on April 8, 2009 at 12:00 AM
gotta admit, even with an English Teacher Mom, and an Associates… and a Bachelors…
I can’t spell worth a dang…
Funny as I’ve written curriculum for both the US Navy, Quest, and Microsoft… and 5 different user guides for software…
Thank goodness for spell checker… which… I don’t use here.
Romeo13 on April 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM
What is this crap? I thought this was a satire, but it’s real? Are you kidding me? The liberal teacher with the dent in her forehead probably feels uncomfotable with all the troop and war bashing she is doing when not everyone in her class is eating up everything she is saying. And what’s with the director head constantly referring her to other places such as the student center, the counseling center or even the police? lol, typical academic bureaucracy he should get off his fat ass and engage the student hismelf.
And the student is right, it is her job to teach him.
and why are they singling out Veterans? Man, I used to get into it with professors quite a bit up until I graduated in 2004, I can’t imagine what it’s like now on campuses. I think it is safe to say I hate American Academia. It is a fraud. I went to UCONN, most professors were fair there, but my Brother went to Yale and my cousin went to Wesleyan and it is ridiculous what goes on at those campuses. Then I read all the stories that go on at other campuses…Conservatives need to take back our Universities.
Daemonocracy on April 8, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Grrrr.. meant my last for
Romeo13 on April 8, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Yeah what if the “gay one” was referenced and then later in the clip a gay student accused the teacher of giving him a hard time because she made her stance against gay marriage clear? Hmm, I wonder if the teacher would be portrayed as the victim in that case.
Daemonocracy on April 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM
That was brilliant. Doctor Zero, may I please borrow that quote for future use?
ElectricPhase on April 8, 2009 at 12:28 AM
This is an absolutely pathetic piece of propaganda by Penn State.
So the veteran in this example is subject to the anti-war ranting of a liberal educator, but he is not allowed to assume she might be biased. But she is supported in her assumption that he is threatening because he challenged her grading.
Hmm. Think maybe I received a B in my English Comp class because I challenged my liberal professor’s twisted views about the military?
jack herman on April 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM
By all means, be my guest!
Doctor Zero on April 8, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I love the part of “I may be against the war but I never let my personal beliefs interfere with my class work.”
Yeah you and Ward Churchill.
Christian Conservative on April 8, 2009 at 12:44 AM
That’s the predominant approach today, and has very bad consequences for academia and learning.
There are far too many specialists and department chairs and specialized support services in a maze of byzantine niches, dealing only with a narrow aspect of a certain group of students.
There are far too few generalists who work with each student as whole person. And there are far too few professors who are willing to take the time to understand and help students, instead of simply referring them down the food chain.
As a result, too many students drop out or fail, or learn how to swallow and regurgitate a bit of tripe, simply going along to get along.
Loxodonta on April 8, 2009 at 12:50 AM
As a PSU college football fan, this video hurts.
This is a University I respect and considered attending, but that respect is in question and doubt.
I hope PSU apologizes for this crap.
SCOOPTHIScarlos on April 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Oh, those angry veterans and their low intellect and bad grammar…we hate all COOOOOLLLLLEEEEEGGGGGEEEE PEEEEEOOOOPPPLLLEE! RRRAAAAARRR!
Black Adam on April 8, 2009 at 2:22 AM
Ugh… as a veteran, this video makes me sick to the stomach. The people that made and participated in this video must have seriously mental disorders.
I can only rationalize what I saw by saying that the people a PSU have absolute no life experience in anything aside from what they see on tv. So purposefully socially isolated that they don’t have any experience with the millions of veterans and current military members. So shallow, biased, and bigoted that they actually believe this tripe despite no facts to support their position. They should be ashamed of their lack of intelligence.
ThomasB. on April 8, 2009 at 2:58 AM
If any whiney prof like this one told me “you need to relax,” I’d punch her in the face.
Guess she’d be a bit surprised, as I’m no Vet.
misslizzi on April 8, 2009 at 3:04 AM
Huh? What language is this? I don’t recognize it. This condescending chick is supposed to be complaining about someone not understanding the assignments when she can’t even speak English? Who wrote this idiotic script .. because they need to go into some English professor’s office during office hours.
Typical liberal lunacy, along with the intense nastiness that is the true essence of modern liberalism.
progressoverpeace on April 8, 2009 at 4:12 AM
This is another example of the liberal moonbat types projecting their damaged psyche onto others. It wasn’t a veteran that went on a killing spree at VT last year. It isn’t conservatives that use violence and intimidation tactics to get their view of the world foisted on others. It is the worthless shitbags like Aires, Wright, et al whom are the ones who must be feared. Liberals all.
Conservatives are constitutionalists and use the constitution to protect our rights. We are the least likely to use unconstitutional means to effect change.
Liberals use NAZI tactics in their quest to change society and in turn think others use the same tactics. They are freezing Vets, guns and their owners, etc, as demons as a preclude to minimize their influence when the Marxist takeover of this country has gone to the point that people are ready to start defending themselves.
csdeven on April 8, 2009 at 5:46 AM
I agree that the vet in the video has NEVER been exposed to military life. These turds think that just because they are undisciplined that ALL 21 year old kids are equally undisciplined. The Vet would understand chain of command and would walk this up the line immediately if he thought he were being treated unfairly.
There is a reason why Wal Mart and other corporations look to Vets FIRST before idiot academics for management positions. They understand the importance of structure in our society. Moonbat liberals think dissent against ANY status quo is more important. Especially when dissenting against rules that work are involved.
If any part of this scenario played out in real life, the behavior of the student in this video would be a classic example of a liberal who FAILED in the military, not a conservative who succeeded in the military.
csdeven on April 8, 2009 at 5:57 AM
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