Obama’s missile-defense dodge alienates Lieberman

posted at 9:32 am on April 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for Barack Obama and Joe Lieberman to come to cross purposes again.  After Lieberman endorsed and campaigned for John McCain in the general election, Democrats stiffly welcomed him back to the fold when McCain lost to Obama.  Lieberman’s hawkish principles have been restirred, however, with Obama’s apparent abandonment of missile defense:

Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) has tried to mend his relationship with President Obama in recent months but their reconciliation hit a snag Monday over ballistic missile defense.

Lieberman, the self-described independent Democrat who questioned Obama’s credentials to serve as commander in chief during the 2008 campaign, has panned the Obama administration’s proposal to cut the nation’s missile defense shield. …

“Cooperation on missile defense is now a critical component of many of our closest security partnerships around the world,” Lieberman wrote in a letter to the president. “We fear that cuts to the budget for missile defense could inadvertently undermine these relationships and foster the impression that the United States is an unreliable ally.

“Moreover, sharp cuts would leave us and our friends around the world less capable of responding to the growing ballistic missile threat.”

Lieberman, a longtime supporter of a robust missile defense program, is the lead signatory on the letter.

Byron York argues that Obama has abandoned missile defense while generating a dishonest front to make it seem as though America will continue efforts to defend itself from rogue nations.  What he said in Prague is not as important as what Obama said in Iowa:

Candidate Obama made a video in response to Caucus4Priorities.  “I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems,” Obama said.  “I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems…”

To Democrats on the left side of the spectrum, “unproven missile defense systems” had a specific meaning. “Our position would have been that, at least at the time, any kind of missile defense system was unproven,” Peggy Huppert, who was Iowa state director for Caucus4Priorities, told me. “We thought it should be discontinued, that it was not a fiscally responsible program — ineffective, not proven, too expensive.”  Therefore, when Obama told Democrats that he would stop “unproven missile defense systems,” he was saying he would stop all missile defense systems.

When Obama won the party’s nomination for president, his platform promised he would “support missile defense, but ensure that it is developed in a way that is pragmatic and cost-effective, and, most importantly, does not divert resources from other national security priorities until we are positive the technology will protect the American people.” Worded the way it was, Obama’s pledge could have meant anything from robust, across-the-board support of missile defense to a complete abandonment of the program.

Now Obama is president and faces two problems for which missile defense is a possible solution.  The first is North Korea’s launch of a ballistic missile which might someday carry a nuclear warhead.  The second is Iran’s continuing effort to build a nuclear weapon.  With that in the news, Obama pledged in the Czech Republic that, “as long as the threat from Iran persists,” the U.S. “will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven.”

In light of Obama’s history on the subject, what was he saying? Why would he go out of his way to tell an audience in the Czech Republic that a missile defense system must be cost effective? And since he said that he will go forward, but only with a system that is “cost-effective and proven,” was he saying that such a system exists today?

There has always been an air of absurdity about the opposition to missile-defense systems.  No one argues that missiles aren’t a threat, but somehow defending ourselves against it is illegitimate unless one stumbles on a complete, perfect defense immediately.  That we have never found a perfect defense against any weapon on the first throw doesn’t appear to faze people at all.

When Germans introduced U-boats in World War I, we answered with depth charges.  Did that kill every submarine?  No.  Did that make depth charges a waste of effort and money?  Not at all.

When air combat first entered the naval arena, we developed anti-aircraft guns that wasted a lot of ammunition in order to get a few kills.  Was that a cost-ineffective program for defense?  Should we have scrapped it until someone magically developed a perfect system of defense?  I think you’d find a lot of Navy vets who would laugh anyone making that suggestion out of the room.

Defense systems take time to develop, and they take patience.  If missiles from rogue nations are a threat, then it’s incumbent on us to find ways to negate that threat.  We have come a long way since the “Star Wars” days, and have a long string of successes.  Is it perfect?  No.  Is it cheap?  Of course not — but it’s a lot less expensive than the alternative of having missiles hit cities in Europe or the US.  If Minneapolis suddenly disappeared in a North Korean mushroom cloud, I’d bet that the costs, even outside of the human costs, would be exponentially larger than everything we’ve spent on missile defense for the last 25 years put together.

Don’t tell me about “cost effective”.  Tell me what the US plans to do to defend itself and its allies against attack from rogue nations.  That answer cannot be “nothing”.

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If I remove the burglar alarm from my home, I’m sure criminals will see that as an act of reconciliation & they’ll be nice to me.

jgapinoy on April 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM

We need to drastically cut Defense spending, but give billions to ACORN and a Hitler Youth type organizations. This guy makes me want to puke.

marklmail on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Just have Sarah Palin catch the missiles

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Get ready for another black eye.

Hey, we’ll just blame Bush!

artist on April 7, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Note to Joe Lieberman, it’s true you can’t go home again, bag the Democrat Party in it’s current “State” and embrace Independents.

Dr Evil on April 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I just want to know what it’s going to take to make Ol’ Joe finally divorce the dimrat party once and for all. He’s a good man. He needs to make a permanent stand, not sporadic little protests. I think other moderate dems would follow his lead. (Of course, I could be wrong.)

ErinF on April 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM

If Minneapolis suddenly disappeared in a North Korean mushroom cloud,

It would still be Bush’s fault.

rightside on April 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

nice of joe lieberman to finally catch on. and i guess its the huge anti-semite program of the world that is pushing him, but i’ll take him or any other senator any way i can get them.

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

jgapinoy on April 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I am going to pretend to get rid of my guns.

Johan Klaus on April 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Just have Sarah Palin catch the missiles

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

That comic book Palin from yestday’s headline thread could do it.

BadgerHawk on April 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM

joe lieberman is a social liberal. how many of bambi’s spending sprees has he voted against? (ok, well yeah, he’s probably like most Republicans).

do all Republicans have laryngitis? where are they?

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

But we can spend billions on ACORN under some euphemistic budget program.

PBoilermaker on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Don’t tell me about “cost effective”. Tell me what the US plans to do to defend itself and its allies against attack from rogue nations. That answer cannot be “nothing”.

Amen brutha!

Livefreeordie on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

What one country on the planet most needs a missile defense system?

“Moreover, sharp cuts would leave us and our friends around the world less capable of responding to the growing ballistic missile threat.”

Skandia Recluse on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

There has always been an air of absurdity about the opposition to missile-defense systems. No one argues that missiles aren’t a threat, but somehow defending ourselves against it is illegitimate unless one stumbles on a complete, perfect defense immediately. That we have never found a perfect defense against any weapon on the first throw doesn’t appear to faze people at all.

“Let not the perfect be the enemy of the good” – Barrack Obama, when it suits him.

toliver on April 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Let’s not forget, to the lefties, we deserve to be threatened or even hit with missles. Who are we to tell the NorKs they can’t have missles? We have them. Who are we to tell the Iranians they can’t have nukes? We used them. For the lefties, being American means always having to say you’re sorry.

trubble on April 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM

That comic book Palin from yestday’s headline thread could do it.

BadgerHawk on April 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM

IDK how she wasn’t cold in that outfit!

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Obama is working on the big smile and bow down defense system. He believes he can schmooze his way into the hearts of even the most diabolically evil psychopaths in the world. O-EGO to the rescue….. talk about your arrogant, crass Americans will ya!

joedoe on April 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I also want to know where the heck the Republicans are. Where is their outrage? Where is John Boehner? ugh

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

where are they?

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

That is why I laugh at the notion of a 2010 victory.

EVEN if the R’s win the House, what will they do?

What have they done?

Gov’t has GROWN regardless of who is in power.

artist on April 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

We are on our own.

artist on April 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

What if any, message, could the Empty Suit be sending to both allies and adversaries about America’s resolve? Appeasement, Cowardice, Irresponsibility, Ambivalence? All of the above? This is a prime example of how our elected congress and this administration have violated their oath of office and Constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense and pursued the unconstitutional efforts of confiscatory activities domestically. Does this not look like a power grab over We The People? The overarching agenda is becoming clearer: Hide behind the promise of making things better while destroying everything so that, when weak enough, the drivers of this agenda can assume total control over us, along with foreign accomplices. Action is becoming more and more imperative. Remember, forewarned is forearmed.

HomeoftheBrave on April 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

To Democrats on the left side of the spectrum, “unproven missile defense systems” had a specific meaning. “Our position would have been that, at least at the time, any kind of missile defense system was unproven,” Peggy Huppert, who was Iowa state director for Caucus4Priorities, told me. “We thought it should be discontinued, that it was not a fiscally responsible program — ineffective, not proven, too expensive.” Therefore, when Obama told Democrats that he would stop “unproven missile defense systems,” he was saying he would stop all missile defense systems.

I made this EXACT case to Allahpundit last year, that “unproven” meant “all.” He didn’t believe me.

Cuffy Meigs on April 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

do all Republicans have laryngitis? where are they?

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Newt Gingrich is really talking up third party recently. Something’s changed because it wasn’t too long ago that I heard him give a dissertation on why, historically, third parties fail. I think Newt is sensing a change in public opinion, and smelling democrat blood on the wind.

Oldnuke on April 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

tell me again why we care about Joe Lieberman? Wasn’t he part of the esteemed reasoning for nominating McCain?

gatorboy on April 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

If you’re going to Istanbul
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you’re going to Istanbul
You’re gonna meet some Muslim people there

joedoe on April 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Oldnuke on April 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

I think Newt is sensing personal opportunity. Third parties always hurt the major party closer to them philosophically.

jgapinoy on April 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM

The argument against missile defense would seem to take the position that if you can’t stop EVERY missile, then you shouldn’t stop ANY missile.

But that’s ludicrous. Let’s say 4 missiles are launched, and you can only shoot one of them down. Would you choose not to shoot one down? How would you explain that to the city that would have been spared, otherwise?

There are several countries that could use missile defense systems. All of Europe, for example. Israel. Japan. South Korea. All the Middle East kingdoms (what better deterrent to building a bomb, than knowing it won’t successfully reach your target?). India. Taiwan, though I’m sure we’d never give it to them.

Why does the US shoulder this burden? 1)because we need it too. 2)because if we develop the technology, we needn’t fear some other country developing it and selling it to Iran.

hawksruleva on April 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I also want to know where the heck the Republicans are. Where is their outrage? Where is John Boehner? ugh

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I know it’s juvenile, but I love saying John Boehner’s name wrong.

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Joe, come on over to our side. We have punch and pie.

If any missile hits any part of the US or our allies, it will be Dear Leader’s fault.

rbj on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Democrats consider the missile defense systems “unproven” because Russia never managed to actually chuck a nuke our way.

Disingenuous little pricks.

MadisonConservative on April 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

The timing is exquisite: Ogabe raves about abandoning missile defense and North Korea launches a missile.

If only Sarah Palin hadn’t rode her Velociraptor to those book-burnings, we could have had a different crew in the White House.

Bishop on April 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

I am anxious for April 15th. I’m hoping Congress realizes that this large amount of protesters have had enough. The tea parties are non partisan, Democrats and Republicans are coming out in full force. The current Congress should realize then that their jobs are in jeopardy.

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

I guess we can count on the nuclear umbrella provided by the French and British. Nothing would invite Russian or Chinese misbehavior greater than a nuclear free United States. Obama is an idiot or an evil genius who’s plan is to create a crisis, surrender our sovereignty to whoever and rule as a subordinate to some foreign power. Obama must be impeached at the least but removed from power soon.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

We are on our own.

artist on April 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Lock and load.

Johan Klaus on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Is a conservative 3rd party really the answer? Or have conservatives already become too fragmented, thus rendering themselves ineffectual in the polling places?

joedoe on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

haha :)

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Annual cost of missile defense? $10 billion.

Having a defenseless US city nuked & millions of citizens of the launching nation incenerated in a retallitory US strike? Priceless.

Cuffy Meigs on April 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

newt just wants to hear himself talk. don’t get me wrong–he is dead on about most issues, but he does love the sound of his own voice.

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Tell me what the US plans to do to defend itself and its allies against attack from rogue nations. That answer cannot be “nothing”.

Si, se puede.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

That answer cannot be “nothing”.

Oh, YES IT CAN!

mankai on April 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

IDK how she wasn’t cold in that outfit!

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

One more time:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4161/palin6.jpg

Someone could make beaucoup dough with a Palin series of comic books.

toliver on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Bishop on April 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

I’ve always wanted a Veloc.

I’ll settle for the dilophosaurus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ztVTfOeSA&feature=related

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Just have Sarah Palin catch the missiles

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Maybe this was a sarcastic comment from the left, but the real Sarah Palin did strongly state that she wants missile defenses based in Alaska.

Not just to attract attention to herself and her state, but trace a great-circle route from North Korea to, say, Seattle, and it passes over southwestern Alaska.

Earth to Tina Fey and the Great O-rator: Base missile defenses in Sarah Palin’s state, and you get an extra 2,000 miles of trajectory to shoot down a Nork missile. The ditzy moose hunter from Wah-silly knows her strategery, you betcha!

Steve Z on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Or have conservatives already become too fragmented, thus rendering themselves ineffectual in the polling places?

joedoe on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

It’s not that, it’s:

1. raging partisan media

2. raging partisan education system (K-grad school)

3. incompetent, cowering R’s.

Doesn’t sound like a recipe for victory, does it?

artist on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Tell me what the US plans to do to defend itself and its allies against attack from rogue nations. That answer cannot be “nothing”.
Si, se puede.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Hell, America will not even enforce its boarders against that invaison.

Alex Martinez on April 7, 2009 at 10:02 AM

That comic book Palin from yestday’s headline thread could do it.

BadgerHawk on April 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM
IDK how she wasn’t cold in that outfit!

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

As I recall, she did look cold. Or maybe that top was particularly “clingy.”

iurockhead on April 7, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Tell me what the US plans to do to defend itself and its allies against attack from rogue nations.

……

Short version:

Sucks to live in a big city.

artist on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 AM

I wish this asshat would apply the ‘cost effective’ test to TARP, stimulus, bailouts, etc, etc, etc. We’d be in a much better place.

Wine_N_Dine on April 7, 2009 at 10:04 AM

No one argues that missiles aren’t a threat, but somehow defending ourselves against it is illegitimate unless one stumbles on a complete, perfect defense immediately.

Their initial opposition was that it would be offensive and intimidating to the missile launching nations to shoot down their missiles that were on the way to destroy American cities. You know, all that hard work they went through to build the darn thing and then we go and knock it out of the sky in our arrogant American manner. I don’t know if they still make that argument though.

Buddahpundit on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

“unproven missile defense systems” vs. “unproven environmental-friendly energy”

Let’s see we have real enemies that want us dead vs. debunked environmental-catastrophies.

SAVE THE WHALES!
Ooops! I meant, SAVE THE POLAR BEARS!

shick on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

I don’t know what everyone’s afraid of. We’ve got Obama visiting a mosque, apologizing for our arrogance, and he and Hillary out there using “Smart Power”. We don’t need a Missile Defense System. We have their charming personalities and the threat of harsh words from Mr.President.
/sarc

kingsjester on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Sucks to live in a big city.
artist on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 AM

It sucks to live anywhere that the wind can push radioactive debris, which is pretty much everywhere.

Bishop on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Earth to Tina Fey and the Great O-rator: Base missile defenses in Sarah Palin’s state, and you get an extra 2,000 miles of trajectory to shoot down a Nork missile. The ditzy moose hunter from Wah-silly knows her strategery, you betcha!

Steve Z on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Palin had the perfect opportunity to make her national security bones during the campaign by trumpeting missile defense, but she blew it. Big time.

Instead she got permanently tarred by Fey’s “I can see Russia from my house!” crap.

Cuffy Meigs on April 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

The current Nork missiles could not reach Minneapolis. But they probably could reach San Francisco or L.A.

Sefton on April 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM

We should remember where the libs’ opposition to missile defense originated. It was in the middle of the Cold War, there were thousands of Soviet nukes pointed at us, and there was no technology that could even come close to protecting us from even a fraction of them. Democrats opposed Reagan on SDI because they thought it would take decades to develop and take billions away from social programs. That might have been an argument worth making in 1983.

What’s happened is that their opposition calcified over time, so that they don’t even think about changed circumstances. The technology for shooting down one or a few missiles launched by rogue nations is now essentially available. The nature of the threat has drastically changed. But for liberals, it is apparently always 1983 (if it isn’t 1968, that is). Their inability to grasp changed circumstances, or to adjust their thinking so that it isn’t entirely knee-jerk, is really breathtaking.

Athanasius on April 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM

The current Nork missiles could not reach Minneapolis. But they probably could reach San Francisco or L.A.

Sefton on April 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Well now the homosexuals, the Mexicans, and the homosexual Mexicans are all worried.

AubieJon on April 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Candidate Obama made a video in response to Caucus4Priorities. “I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems,” Obama said.

What does Obama mean by “unproven”? The last series of planned tests: 8 attempts, 8 successes.

Even an unplanned test–a crippled satellite that lost power and was losing altitude, which could have crashed into a city, traveling faster than a ballistic missile with no “heat signature”–we scored a direct hit on its fuel tank over the Pacific, where it fell harmlessly.

Is this unproven, Mr. President???

Steve Z on April 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Let’s not beat around the bush . . . he’s trashing our missile defense system, the F-22 and much more of our national defense structure so he can pay off his left wing supporters including ACORN, and organize his Brown Shirt civilian defense force. This guy is on a path that will totally destroy the Republic.

rplat on April 7, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Does anyone know what the real reason the left is against missile defense is?

Like Ed said, it makes no sense. It’s an answer to war, in that if the missile is struck down before it hits, the likelihood of a real hot war breaking out is lower. And we all know the left isn’t averse to spending money.

So.. why?

amkun on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

THE SURE AND ONLY WAY TO DESTROY AMERICA IS FROM WITHIN….. ALL THE WORLD AND ESPECIALLY MUSSSSSLIMMMS KNOW THAT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IS THIER TROJAN HORSE. WITH OBAMA IN OFFICE FOR 4 YEARS AMERICA IS DOOMED AND ONLY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE , NOT REPUBLICANS, CAN CHANGE THIS. HOW, WE ALL KNOW THE ONLY WAY.

R E V O L T TAKE NO PRISIONERS CAUSE THE COURT SYSTEM WILL RELEASE THEM TO DESTROY US

rone5847 on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

jgapinoy on April 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM

No doubt, but his position change leads me to believe that something has shifted in the general opinion.

Oldnuke on April 7, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Just have Sarah Palin catch the missiles

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Actually, as Sarah is Commander of the Alaska National Guard and as such commands the Interceptor Missles, she does not have to catch them. She can destroy them and report it later. You are balatently a buffoon and obviously a troll.

old trooper2 on April 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

We need to drastically cut Defense spending, but give billions to ACORN and a Hitler Youth type organizations. This guy makes me want to puke.

marklmail on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I saw an article today that seemed to be promoting the idea that Gates was fully specializing our military for counterinsurgency, scrapping all of the conventional war programs (superiority fighters, warships, etc) to put money into counterinsurgency (strike fighters, patrol ships, urban combat troups, etc.).
That makes me nervous. Combine that with the push to scrap our nuclear deterrent, and we get to the point where some countries might consider challenging us militarily.

Count to 10 on April 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

My lib friends:

“If there was really something wrong, the media would tell us.”

This ain’t going to be easy, but we will win because we must win.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on April 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

rone5847 on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Um, okay. You can piss off now.

MadisonConservative on April 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I know it’s juvenile, but I love saying John Boehner’s name wrong.

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

OT but I know a real person whose last name is the same Boehner but pronounces it “Boner”. Now this is not a sea story but his first name is Richard. He works with hundreds of ex sailors. Think about it.

Oldnuke on April 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Candidate Obama made a video in response to Caucus4Priorities. “I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems,” Obama said.

And Obama is the unproven pretender in chief that was punked by NK & the UN, the Russians over Missle Defense in Eastern Europe and appears to be apologetic to every tin pot government in the civilized world for being American. He has made America a laughing stock!

old trooper2 on April 7, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Does anyone know what the real reason the left is against missile defense is?

Like Ed said, it makes no sense. It’s an answer to war, in that if the missile is struck down before it hits, the likelihood of a real hot war breaking out is lower. And we all know the left isn’t averse to spending money.

So.. why?

amkun on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Simple–the current left got it’s talking points and positions from the USSR. Their positions make little sense when taken collectively unless you factor in that a lot of them where designed to benefit the Russians. Missile defense meant tipping the balance in the struggle of collectivism vs. capitalism, which might have endangered the oligarchs that ran the communist empires.

Count to 10 on April 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM

So.. why?

amkun on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

They are against any defense spending…and this is spending.
It also ties back to Reagan, the first real supporter of defense missiles, and anything Reagan is evil.
And finally, they view this as a conservative/Republican issue, even though it is a national defense issue, and anything tied to the Republican’s is evil.
One addition, Russia and other dictators are against it, and the far left is closely attached to them (Communists).
I know, it doesn’t make sense, but there it is.

right2bright on April 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

What exactly did Obama inhale, that his rainbows, and unicorns, and happy, singing workers in the fields image, he envisions for this country, takes precedent over defending this country, and it’s allies?

capejasmine on April 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Their inability to grasp changed circumstances, or to adjust their thinking so that it isn’t entirely knee-jerk, is really breathtaking.

Athanasius on April 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM

When it comes to social issues though, they are all about change.

“Don’t censor freedom of speech! I want to watch pornography in college!”

shick on April 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Yes, let’s get rid of missile defense just when countries that will actually use missiles get closer to using them.

So domestic and foreign policy are dictated by some sort of strange misplaced guilt complex?

reaganaut on April 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

What exactly did Obama inhale, that his rainbows, and unicorns, and happy, singing workers in the fields image, he envisions for this country, takes precedent over defending this country, and it’s allies?

capejasmine on April 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

It’s because that silly “oath” he took on January 20, 2009 really doesn’t mean anything. It just words, just speeches, …

HomeoftheBrave on April 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Count to 10 on April 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM
right2bright on April 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Yeah. For the hard left, that sounds about right.

I just don’t get how national defense is somehow a polarizing issue. Especially something as innocuous as missile defense, which, by its very name, is purely a DEFENSE mechanism and cannot be used for preemptive strikes, which is what I thought the left was against. Apparently, they just hate the fact that America can defend itself.

It’s really, truly sad.

amkun on April 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

None of the social programs that Obama wants to implement are either “cost-effective” or “proven.” In fact, they result in a drain on fiscal resources, an ever-expanding pool of entitlements, and negative unintended consequences. History has proven the futility of the War on Poverty/Great Society II with the eroding conditions and bankruptcies in our major cities.

Doesn’t Obama always ignore facts over his utopian fantasies? When a person spends other people’s money as Obama does, he has a sorry record of getting a bang for his buck.

onlineanalyst on April 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Good post, Ed. Great analogies.
Ogabe scares the crap out of me.
When the city of New York is smouldering rubble do you think the MSM will begin to question The One?

SKYFOX on April 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Understanding the logic of liberals is just a waste of time.

I hope we can convince Americans that this is the last time to trust a liberal with protecting us. Please wise up people.

petunia on April 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Lieberman is, indeed, a hawk on defense and has the sane arguement against Obama’s misplaced priorities. That said, Lieberman is also a big proponent of federally funded social tinkering. I take him with a grain of salt while hailing his courageous stand in opposing Obama on this issue.

onlineanalyst on April 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I’m just curious, how much are spending or will we spend defending ourselves against the imaginary climate change threat compared to actual threats?

reaganaut on April 7, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Obama’s stance on missile defense is predicated on who he’s talking to and when. So sometimes the answer is ‘yes’, sometimes it’s ‘maybe’. As you point out “cost effective” is relative when you’re looking at the smoking remains of what was a US city. Given our dynamic “strong diplomacy” today, I’ll settle for missile defense.

GarandFan on April 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I hope we can convince Americans that this is the last time to trust a liberal with protecting us. Please wise up people.

petunia on April 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM

There’s a saying in Japanese that says that the memories of the people last about 77 days (I can’t remember the exact phrase, though).

America had a disastrous liberal president just 30 years ago, but she forgot about that and elected an even more liberal president. History repeats itself.

amkun on April 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

If I remove the burglar alarm from my home, I’m sure criminals will see that as an act of reconciliation & they’ll be nice to me.

jgapinoy on April 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM

LOL Nice!

jeffn21 on April 7, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Here is the letter that Lieberman sent to Obama yesterday: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWY2OWQwYTE3YjM0OGNhNTA1NGM4OTQ1MGRhN2FhZmY= It was co-signed by several Republicans. What the Republicans need to do is to get out in front of the camersa additionally and forcefully to make the message clear to the American public.

onlineanalyst on April 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

No one argues that missiles aren’t a threat, but somehow defending ourselves against it is illegitimate unless one stumbles on a complete, perfect defense immediately. That we have never found a perfect defense against any weapon on the first throw doesn’t appear to faze people at all.

In other words…just another Obama strawman arguement…

pseudonominus on April 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Not for nuttin, but I’ve always been convinced that it’s a better threat to our enemies that we “don’t know if missile defense even works”. Why the hell would we make it clear if we “knew it did” in the first place?

In case the point’s been missed: it’s not exactly easy to create a nuclear, intercontinental missile. Takes all kinds of materials, know-how, money, and the highest level of secrecy. It all adds up to massive expenditures, investments, and commitments on the part of those who wish to build a “deliverable” nuclear weapon. The kinds of things that can be tracked with “intelligence”, satellite photography, and a “network”.

Why would we want our enemies to think we could ever stop such a weapon, when constructing one that actually works requires such an investment as to “flush the chumps”?

Nope, no missile defense here.
Rather than seeking other more sinister (see: bio, chem) weaponry that’s much more easily hid and far less expensive to develop- you just go ahead and build that nuclear missile that we’ll just shoot down once you’re finished outing yourself, your intentions, and your willingness to be blown to a fine paste by our returns, which you cannot stop.

Cuz I mean; we don’t even think it’s “effective”, and stuff.

K then? Back to the centrifuge with ya. Buh-bye now.

ChipDWood on April 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Just have Sarah Palin catch the missiles

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

At least Sarah would give it her best try. All we’ll ever get from Obama and his moronic puppets is, “It’s all BOOSHES fault”.

DannoJyd on April 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM

who needs missile defense when you have “smart diplomacy”?

cpr on April 7, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Someone should do a poll asking who is more incapable ignorant clueless, Obama or his supporters…

Wait!

DannoJyd on April 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Why is anyone surprised about President Obama and these decisions he is making when he stated on 22 October 2007 this was exactly what he was going to do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtwRcZXrz0k

JeffinSac on April 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Oh and I forgot to mention, notice during the election the MSM completely blew this off and didn’t report about it?

JeffinSac on April 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Why does the US shoulder this burden? 1)because we need it too. 2)because if we develop the technology, we needn’t fear some other country developing it and selling it to Iran.


Take up the White Man’s burden—

And reap his old reward:

The blame of those ye better

The hate of those ye guard—

Silly, Russia is working on this defense NOW. Japan is working on Lasers to do this NOW. We have a system 20 years ahead of anyone (Thank you Mr. Reagan). Let it guard American Shores and be purchased by those who wish it.

GunRunner on April 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM

I am anxious for April 15th. I’m hoping Congress realizes that this large amount of protesters have had enough. The tea parties are non partisan, Democrats and Republicans are coming out in full force. The current Congress should realize then that their jobs are in jeopardy.

becki51758 on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Me too! Let’s get out there and make it count!

Christian Conservative on April 7, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I saw an article today that seemed to be promoting the idea that Gates was fully specializing our military for counterinsurgency, scrapping all of the conventional war programs (superiority fighters, warships, etc) to put money into counterinsurgency (strike fighters, patrol ships, urban combat troups, etc.).
That makes me nervous. Combine that with the push to scrap our nuclear deterrent, and we get to the point where some countries might consider challenging us militarily.

Count to 10 on April 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM

This REALLY worries me…

The only time you need counter insuegency forces is when yo are either a Foreign Occupier… or have a domestic insurection.

Changing the Role of the US Armed Forces from big battle defense, to counter insurgency, through emphasis on training and on weapon system procurement tells me they forsee a LONG term need for these ops…

But again, you only need these types of Anti Insurgency ops when there is an insurection… or to put down violence in during a foreign occupation.

Forest… trees folks.

Romeo13 on April 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM

That answer cannot be “nothing”.

Rahm Emanuel gave you the answer (to paraphrase): “Never let a crisis go to waste”.

I’m not suggesting that they want an attack on America. But if one does happen, they’ll be wetting their pants with joy for the opportunities presented to them. They have Booosh to blame if it happens, after all.

You may feel it’s harsh to think that, but remember this is the side that gleefully cheered on our enemies while denegrating our warriors as murderers and rapists. We readily opine how it seems this administration lives in a lala-land where the bin Ladens of the worlds just want a hug and handful of daisies. We regularly opine that the far left has no value for life. So why would it be far fetched to think they’d see the trade-off of lives for more power, especially when they can pin it on someone else?

ironmonger69 on April 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Here’s some trivia for ya:

On the day The One left to grovel in Europe, the stock market started began to show some modest gains. All the while He was gone, the market was up and holding, causing the talking heads to hint at the arrival of Recovery.

Fast forward to this morning. Within hours of reports of His departure from Turkey, the markets plummeted.

Maybe He should move His office to Constantinople to help speed Recovery.

BobMbx on April 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The Devil, in disguise, strikes again…

DL13 on April 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Johan Klaus on April 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Way ahead of you at my house…

ladyingray on April 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM

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