Comments on: NYT/CBS poll has its thumbs on the scale … again

By: Who’s the Divisive Now? - Whatever Is Right

Who’s the Divisive Now? - Whatever Is Right — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:39:03 +0000

[...] Just when everyone thought Obama had reached the height of his popularity (thanks, skewed CBS/NYT polling data!), it turns out that, sorry, Mr. President… America is just not that into [...]

By: Lot's of suckers out there.

Lot's of suckers out there. — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:04:17 +0000

The United Socialist States of America…

Yet, maybe, just maybe, there’s some coordinated daily White House conference calls.

But that would be exploitive to the point of unethical, and possibly illegal, wouldn’t it? …

By: Del Dolemonte

Del Dolemonte — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:38:53 +0000

Uh-oh, C-BS is out with another new “poll”, and it has Dear Leader at 66%.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_040609.pdf

And gee, what a surprise. C-BS has their thumbs on the scale again. Read the last page of the pdf.

By: vulcannomad

vulcannomad — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:04:08 +0000

As my grandpa always said… “Numbers don’t lie… People do!”

By: ddrintn

ddrintn — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:34:25 +0000

*Fox, Fix, whatever.

Fox is biased, but CNN and CBS are not. LOL

By: ddrintn

ddrintn — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:33:33 +0000

ddrintn on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 AM

…at returning what Fox wants them to hear.

sethstorm on April 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Just because it might be what “Fix wants to hear” and that it doesn’t sound good to you doesn’t mean it’s not true. Rasmussen predicted the past election quite accurately.

By: Hawthorne

Hawthorne — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:16:05 +0000

You have to forgive the NY Times here. They are having financial difficulties and have decided to use only local calling in their polls. It is just hard to find many Republicans in New York City these days.

By: cjk

cjk — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:55:01 +0000

Not too long from now the demoncrapic president’s approval numbers will rival the official numbers for Castro and Amadinejad while the republicans along with homos will be less than 1%.

By: Liberals lie. Even with polls. « Smash Mouth Politics

Liberals lie. Even with polls. « Smash Mouth Politics — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:51:50 +0000

[...] 8, 2009 · No Comments What NY Times/CBS poll tells you: A large majority of people polled approve of President Obama’s handling of the economy and [...]

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:02:39 +0000

ddrintn on April 8, 2009 at 12:38 AM

…at returning what Fox wants them to hear.

By: Sapwolf

Sapwolf — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:43:04 +0000

Seth,

You are an EPIC FAIL as trolls go.

You’ve got to pick your battles better. There is no way anybody on this planet can defend the reliability of ANY poll by CBS/NYT sincerely.

Can’t be done, evah.

By: oldernwiser

oldernwiser — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:15:24 +0000

Sometimes I can’t help myself and just lose control.
I have an overwhelming urge to employ a Leftist tactic.

Never mind that CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN have done neither, even if they wanted to.

sethstorm on April 7, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Prove that they haven’t

By: links for 2009-04-08 | FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog

links for 2009-04-08 | FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:03:34 +0000

[...] NYT/CBS poll has its thumbs on the scale … again – New York Times Cooking the Books It’s not unusual for the Gray Lady to cook the numbers, either, to make sure their poll shows that support. This is the breakout in their demographics on page 23: [...]

By: PaddyJ

PaddyJ — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:23:49 +0000

When you see an MSM poll, realize that someone PAID for those numbers, and think “This is the result they want”.
That’s what polls tell you.

By: ddrintn

ddrintn — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:38:00 +0000

Letting O’Reilly send folks to stalk bloggers on vacation and ask viewers to spam newspapers is enough in that column. Control – for all I’d notice, Fox acts as if they already have it. I won’t be surprised if Mr Beck follows in his footsteps.

Never mind that CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN have done neither, even if they wanted to.

sethstorm on April 7, 2009 at 7:40 PM

None of which makes Rasmussen unreliable.

By: Moe Lane » John Dickerson nuances his explanation of Obama’s nuance.

Moe Lane » John Dickerson nuances his explanation of Obama’s nuance. — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:01:16 +0000

[...] sort of (H/T Protein Wisdom). Which is me going the opposite way of “exaggerating:” I actually [...]

By: CBS/NYT: Obama's Approval Rating at 66% (Supposedly) | Obama Approval Rating Blog

Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:00:04 +0000

[...] But these results are highly suspect. The CBS/NYT poll is one of the least reliable public polls. According to a Fordham University study that looked at 23 separate polls of last year’s election, the CBS/NYT poll was second from the bottom in accuracy. The only poll that was worse was Newsweek. These polls are wildly inaccurate because they consistently skew the results towards Democrats by making outrageously inaccurate deomgraphic assumptions. Hotair has an excellent discussion of statistical issues here. [...]

By: chunderroad

chunderroad — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:02:44 +0000

This is the way it works, the NYT is trying to earn that bailout they need.

Terrye on April 7, 2009 at 6:15 PM

As if they could be more partisan than they are with Pinch Salzberger, Harbinger Capital and Carlos Slim, to name a few.

By: manofaiki

manofaiki — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:54:45 +0000

The fact that the unweighted Democrat number is 349 and the weighted number actually INCREASES to 391, while the Republican number DROPS from 264 to 230 tells you ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS POLL.

They started out with 84 more Dem’s than Repubs in the unweighted sample.

Apparently that wasn’t a big enough gap for the pollsters, so during the weighted sample the added 42 more Dems and dropped 34 Republicans, for a new gap of 161.

THIS is supposed to be a representative sample of the population?

Bullshit.

OK maybe I didn’t say that strongly enough:

BULLSHIT.

By: msmveritas

msmveritas — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:54:08 +0000

sethstorm on April 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I think Rasmussen is pretty solid in their research design. I am sure that upsets you but that is my objective opinion. All research has limitations because it is a snapshot of a moment. Rasmussen does a daily poll that shows a trend which is the most valid tracking to watch. Opinion Dynamics is frequently less favorable to Republicans Look at this Congressional approval from RCP for example. Fox's numbers seem a bit out of line but favor the Democratic Congress or at least show lower overall disapproval.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:40:43 +0000

Terrye on April 7, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Letting O’Reilly send folks to stalk bloggers on vacation and ask viewers to spam newspapers is enough in that column. Control – for all I’d notice, Fox acts as if they already have it. I won’t be surprised if Mr Beck follows in his footsteps.

Never mind that CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN have done neither, even if they wanted to.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:30:42 +0000

msmveritas on April 7, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I’ve seen a lot of silence when it comes to Rassmussen polls. Haven’t heard them being questioned by Fox – they might as well be Opinion Dynamics in new clothing for all I care.

By: manofaiki

manofaiki — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:18:38 +0000

They started out with 84 more Dem’s than Repubs in the unweighted sample.

Apparently that wasn’t a big enough gap for the pollsters, so during the weighted sample the added 42 more Dems and dropped 34 Republicans, for a new gap of 161.

THIS is supposed to be a representative sample of the population?

Bullshit.

By: 5u93rm4n

5u93rm4n — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:31:47 +0000

Once again, the NYT/CBS poll tries to paint Democrats as unassailably popular and Republicans as losing ground, and once again they have to wildly oversample Democrats to make the argument.

Nuff Said.

By: Romeo13

Romeo13 — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:16:03 +0000

bigskinny on April 7, 2009 at 5:24 PM

LOL… my favorite is from back in college in the late 70′s…

Statistics: A Column of figures looking for an arguement.