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Charles himself blamed Glenn specifically for the killings.

OneGyT on April 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Did he make any kind of a case for that? Seems like it would be very hard to do without believing that Glenn Beck was some kind of supernatural being.

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 1:54 AM

About LGF and Charles Johnson. I blogged there since 2004, but recently something has changed.

sandee on April 7, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Charles Johnson and LGF seem a lot like The Twilight Zone episode “It’s a Good Life”

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM

athensboy on April 6, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Do you believe that Obama is a socialist?

Johan Klaus on April 7, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Bernard “Bernie” Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is the junior United States Senator from Vermont, elected on November 7, 2006. Before becoming Senator, Sanders represented Vermont’s at-large district in the United States House of Representatives for 16 years.

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, but because he does not belong to a formal political party, he appears as an independent on the ballot. Sanders caucuses with the Democratic Party and is counted as a Democrat for the purposes of committee assignments.
- Wikipedia

Obama is beyond any reasonable doubt more socialist than Bernard Sanders. Obama campaigned for Sanders in Vermont.

Obama More Radical Than Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders?

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 2:21 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Why would we do that, when we know he is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Silly man.

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

Silly Wabbit, Twiks are for Kids

Kini on April 7, 2009 at 3:05 AM

I actually lived next door to a nut job, Glenn!

SCOOPTHIScarlos on April 7, 2009 at 4:59 AM

I know lots of folks like Beck…and I am glad another popular conservative (albeit a conspiracy monger) is out there. But…but…but…

…he just gets on my last nerve.

When can we stop being cartoons of ourselves? His shtick gets old. Really, really old really fast.

Mommypundit on April 7, 2009 at 5:58 AM

Mommypundit on April 7, 2009 at 5:58 AM

I don’t know about the conspiracy monger but I prefer his shtick to his over wrought sincerity. When he isn’t being serious then he is very funny, he’s all or nothing at both ends of the pendulum.

That said, I am really sick to waking up to POTUS every damn morning. Someone needs to discuss over exposure to him, but I am pretty sure be believes no one can have enough of him.

Cindy Munford on April 7, 2009 at 6:11 AM

MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 3:25 AM

Thanks for the link, excellent.

Cindy Munford on April 7, 2009 at 6:20 AM

I’m so happy, I can comment now! My password link was not working for the longest time. Today is a good day.

Now I can’t think of anything to say! I love Hotair!

Frances on April 7, 2009 at 6:30 AM

If Mr. Obama lived next to Mr. Ayers and Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama also lived next to Mr. Farrakhan, who would be living next to a nut job?

I too have noticed something strange going on at the Lizards’ page too. From claiming that Obama bowing and scraping to King Abdullah, is the same as former Pres Bush bending his head to receive a medal from King Abdullah, to blaming our media for a NUTJOB’s actions. How many of the same media blame leftwing radio for the G-20 riots and deaths? Crickets.

eaglewingz08 on April 7, 2009 at 6:37 AM

I can’t explain why, but I love this guy…

RedSoxNation on April 7, 2009 at 6:42 AM

Sometimes I think Beck is over the top, but he is right about this…the guy to blame is the man who did the shooting. There have always been people like that in the world, they are full of hate. It is not about politics.

As for the whole civil unrest thing, I have my doubts.

Terrye on April 7, 2009 at 6:58 AM

benny:

No, I do not look under my bed for socialists, do you look under yours for neocons?

Terrye on April 7, 2009 at 6:58 AM

Our rights, our liberties, are granted from God. We possess them as an attribute of our humanity. Yes, ideally we should exercise these rights responsibly. BUT WE ARE ENTITLED TO OUR RIGHTS IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY RESPONSIBILITY, IMPLIED OR OTHERWISE.

RESPONSIBILITY is just another way that the over arching state exploits its citizens. My RIGHT to freedom of expression, freedom of contract, property and liberty are unbounded by so called “responsibilities” and any suggestion to the contrary is merely a prelude to despotism.

I love Glen, but he is wrong.

Charles Martel on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Are you serious? While it is true that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, you hold that you are entitled to these rights without a semblance of responsibility – morally or legally? While you concur that ideally we should exercise these rights responsibly, you go on to say we are entitled? At what cost? That’s what’s wrong with so much in our society today, no one wants to assume any responsibility for anything. Everyone is a victim, it’s someone elses fault, common sense has disappeared.

Yes, I am entitled to life, but the success of that life is my responsibility not yours, not the governments. If I wish to have shelter, it is my responsibility to work as hard as I can to provide the shelter within my means. I am not entitled to live in a mansion unless I’ve earned it. Our current administration apparently has forgotten individual responsibility, since there seems to be the mantra of redistribution of wealth.

Your rights to freedom of expression, freedom of contract, property and liberty have been endowed in this great country by what? Our forefathers and their wisdom in setting forth laws giving us those freedoms. It now becomes (and always has been) our responsibility to hold those in charge accountable for maintaining those freedoms. It is becoming more evident daily that there are those who would take those freedoms from us. If we are entitled as opposed to being accountable, how can we ever hope to retain those freedoms? What caused the housing debacle? The government declaring everyone is entitled to home ownership – responsibility be damned – you don’t make enough money to support yourself? NO problem! Freedom of expression? Just look at recent headlines for proof that freedom of speech is being corrupted – disagree with the government and you’re racist or a hate monger or worse a terrorist. The fairness doctrine? This new idea that the government, in particular the President should have absolute power over the internet? You don’t think you have a responsibility to defend your freedom?

Liberty? Now the government wants to control the salaries of a company? Hello!! While they say it’s only for companies receiving bailouts, once they get that “power” just how long do you think it will be before that transcends to all businesses? The possibility of “enforced” volunteerism? The list goes on. These are the rights you are entitled to without the responsibility of ensuring that they remain your freedom to choose how to live, where to live, what will make you happy and most of all free!?

ladyhawke53 on April 7, 2009 at 7:17 AM

Sometime in the last year, Charles Johnson had SEVERAL screws not only come loose, but pop out. I no longer even read LGF, as there isn’t any place there for anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest, especially on his anti creationism rants (I don’t believe in creation science either, but if you don’t believe in the CREATION itself you aren’t a Christian).

Charles won’t even allow for that.

I think he lost all credibility when he went nuts on Robert Spencer.

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Yes, ideally we should exercise these rights responsibly. BUT WE ARE ENTITLED TO OUR RIGHTS IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY RESPONSIBILITY, IMPLIED OR OTHERWISE.

No, you’re a bit wrong here.

(1) Use ‘em or lose ‘em.

(2) “You have Republic. . .if you can keep it.”

seanrobins on April 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

I called him out for calling Bobby Jindal “pro-exorcism,” got called a sock-puppet, and was banned. Oh, and I went back to check the thread…my posts were deleted, as were all posts referencing my posts.

jimmy the notable on April 7, 2009 at 7:51 AM

I called him out for calling Bobby Jindal “pro-exorcism,” got called a sock-puppet, and was banned. Oh, and I went back to check the thread…my posts were deleted, as were all posts referencing my posts.

jimmy the notable on April 7, 2009 at 7:51 AM

I asked to be banned after his 999th post slamming Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin as creationism pushers.

Frankly he’s become the “Markos” of the right.

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Absolutely. I used to love reading LGF, but then the anti-Christian bigotry just got too much. I didn’t have the experience that jimmy (7:51am) did… but I haven’t visited the site now for over 6 months.

dominigan on April 7, 2009 at 7:58 AM

Add that comment to the list of reasons that I no longer visit LGF.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM

+2 on the no longer chatting at LGF. The Lizards have gone looney.

freeus on April 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM

+3

thebronze on April 7, 2009 at 12:37 AM

+4

ornery_independent on April 7, 2009 at 1:41 AM

+5 Something happened to Charles. He’s become intolerant, beligerent, and paranoid. I used to go there everyday, but now, only when he’s linked. MB4 on April 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM is SPOT ON.

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Glen, you message is a good one but for future reference it’s Pittsburgh not P-Burge.

diogenes on April 7, 2009 at 8:04 AM

whether we like glenn beck or not, he is a cheerleader for the right. we need him for that.

plus, he’s going to a tea party & we need the tv exposure.

kelley in virginia on April 7, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Lenny Spankar! Whats up?!?!

Logged out of your Loud Dino account I see

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 8:27 AM

If guns kill people – do pens misspell words?

jake-the-goose on April 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

No need to. They’re peering in the window to see what they can steal.

OldEnglish on April 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM

If guns kill people – do pens misspell words?

jake-the-goose on April 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt on April 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt on April 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM

LOL
I love it
spoons

blatantblue on April 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Dude was a conservative. He was unbalanced, but he certainly was a conservative. Fear-mongerers like Beck and the mentally unstable are a bad combination.

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Ignorance-mongerers like Krydor and the uneducated are a bad combination.

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Conservatism is about personal responsibility. Nice to know that Marx isn’t responsible for the spread of communism because he never actually shot anyone during the Russian revolution.

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Time for fox to change the channel from GlennRetch to someone fresh and new….

EricPWJohnson on April 7, 2009 at 9:11 AM

If guns kill people – do pens misspell words?

jake-the-goose on April 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt on April 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Hah! Awesome.

Harpazo on April 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM

LOL. Krydor is funny. Beck’s not calling for anyone to go out and shoot the capitalist pigs. Also, Lenin and Stalin did the mass murdering.

Very Very witty, Eric…how about GlennWretch, or GlennReich, change it up, brother!

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM

+10 on the anti-LGF rants. CJ has lost it, you agree and agree totally or you are out. His war with other blogs is indicitive of his tolerance. Kos of the right..

Elemental on April 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM

LOL. Krydor is funny. Beck’s not calling for anyone to go out and shoot the capitalist pigs. Also, Lenin and Stalin did the mass murdering.

No, he’s telling people that Obama is coming to take away their rights. Chuck Norris is doing the same thing. So, when someone (obviously not a very smart someone) acts on this tripe, it’s appropriate to point fingers at the lesser idiots who influenced him.

Words matter. Words influence people to do stupid things. Look, the cop killer was a conservative and he was influenced by the verbal droppings of morons like Beck.

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 9:30 AM

That said, I am really sick to waking up to POTUS every damn morning. Someone needs to discuss over exposure to him, but I am pretty sure be believes no one can have enough of him.

Cindy Munford on April 7, 2009 at 6:11 AM

Where are you seeing/hearing him every morning? I know about msm, but, is there now a daily lecture I am missing? ha. I try to avoid his droning at all costs.

Mommypundit on April 7, 2009 at 9:38 AM

jgapinoy:

Adding to your list,don`t forget all this plans they also had,

for homosexuals,

the Mentally Challenged,

and those that weren`t perfect!

Sounds,so Liberal to me!!!

The Liberal Party Ideals,are right in line
with 1939!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

canopfor on April 6, 2009 at 11:57 PM

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler, May 1, 1927

Dollayo on April 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

If guns kill people – do pens misspell words?

jake-the-goose on April 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt on April 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Matches must cause arson.

Dollayo on April 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

And the laughs keep coming!

They are taking away our rights. EEERRRROOOODDDDIIINNGGG!
EEERRRROOOODDDDIIINNGGG!

Umm, free speech. Call it as you see it. A neo-nazi, which by the way isn’t conservative, have their own category. Although they have much more in common with liberals then christians. Here’s a rule of thumb…christians brought about the end of slavery, nazi’s want to start slavery or mass-murder.

Anyway. People allow themselves to be influenced, and if they are too lazy or crazy to learn, and if they pickup a gun and load it and shoot someone, then they are responsibile. People are responsible for their own actions.

It’s that whole SPOON thing.

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

No, he’s telling people that Obama is coming to take away their rights.

Americans can’t claim/allege that the government will take away their rights?

Since when did this new standard come into account?

We had this charge made every day against the Bush Administration.

And when Clinton was in power, critics made the charge against him and his Administration.

And Reagan was accused of it and Carter and FDR and Wilson and Jefferson and on and on…..

Good grief, just about every President outside of Washington was accused of abusing his powers.

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

We have the right to bear arms. Michelle Obama has the right to bare arms and man! What beautiful arms they are.

carbon_footprint on April 6, 2009 at 10:42 PM

What about the Caboose?

heshtesh on April 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt

Thank God! I’ve been looking for new scapegoat. People aren’t buying my “it’s my DNA” argument anymore.

SKYFOX on April 7, 2009 at 10:26 AM

It’s that whole SPOON thing.

joshlbetts

Darn you, joshlbetts. Darn you to heck!

SKYFOX on April 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?
benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

No. Benny, I do not check under my bed for socialists every night, I am not forced by PC rules to accept everything the left has to say or do, I know who I invite into my house.

MSGTAS on April 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

..Long as computer games, music and movies are also to now be regarded as blameless, it’s all good.

Reaps on April 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Don’t forget, talk radio has also caused the HIV rate in Washington DC to exceed that of Somalia.

kirkill on April 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Spooning causes HIV.

kirkill on April 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM

joshlbetts

Beck has good points justy his fawning worship and his anger (Faux as it is) over illegal immigration has turned the stomachs

He needs to be on, just maybe once a week

Michelle is much more likeable, believable, and entertainingly informative

Like the shouting, screaming schtick is already well represented on Fox

EricPWJohnson on April 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM

If guns kill people – do pens misspell words?

jake-the-goose on April 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM
Exactly. And spoons make people fat.

petefrt on April 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Hahahaha. I knew it was the evil spoons!

We should ban them immediately. Forget about guns, obesity is a much more serious and widespread problem than gun violence. If we just ban spoons, no Americans will be fat anymore. Think of all the money we’ll save on healthcare!

AZCoyote on April 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM

So according to liberals we are to believe that talk radio makes this guy kill people. And The Passion of the Christ makes people want to kill Jews.

But, rap music does not make teens become gang bangers or do drugs. And sex shows like Desperate housewives, Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, & Grey’s Anatomy do not make kids have sex.

Libs make no sense.

jeffn21 on April 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Reaps just peed in the pool..

Porn, violent games, etc. can influence people and especially kids, but they are still responsible for their decisions. TaDa!

From what I’ve seen, glenn’s show is different from the talking point productions, screaming or not…when he turns into O’Reilly, I’m gone!

Oh Yeah,
Sorry Sky! : )

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Sometime in the last year, Charles Johnson had SEVERAL screws not only come loose, but pop out. I no longer even read LGF, as there isn’t any place there for anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest, especially on his anti creationism rants (I don’t believe in creation science either, but if you don’t believe in the CREATION itself you aren’t a Christian).

Charles won’t even allow for that.

I think he lost all credibility when he went nuts on Robert Spencer.

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

I’m glad its not just me.

LGF was once one of my favorite news blogs.

Yesterday I deleted it from my Favorites list.

Goodbye, Charles.

pseudonominus on April 7, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Methinks Allahpundit is starting to get Glenn Beck.

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 12:55 AM

We can only hope!

pseudonominus on April 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM

But, but..but….Glenn, weren’t people like John Wilkes Booth simply under the sway of talk radio????? It’s all the fault of those evil conservatives

mctowler on April 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Talk Radio during the Civil War? Didn’t Biden say that?

Sapwolf on April 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

About LGF and Charles Johnson. I blogged there since 2004, but recently something has changed.

sandee on April 7, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Charles Johnson and LGF seem a lot like The Twilight Zone episode “It’s a Good Life”

Glad others are seeing it too. I used to really like LGF but they have gone on a Jihad against creationists and home schooling and people who might have reservations about vaccines.

I was booted from posting for merely requesting that they give the anti-creationist thing a break. I was very respectful about it and was attacked by multiple posters and had my account disabled in a very short time.

SCARY when they cannot even handle a dissenting view and a polite request to change focus/tone.

America1st on April 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler, May 1, 1927

Dollayo on April 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Man, I have to admit I was thinking Obama all the way based on his past quotes. Scary.

Sapwolf on April 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Words matter. Words influence people to do stupid things. Look, the cop killer was a conservative and he was influenced by the verbal droppings of morons like Beck.

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 9:30 AM

BS. Conservatism has nothing to do with it. Do your homework. Where does Russell Kirk say to shoot cops?

He was an uptight guy with guns who lost his job.

These things happen.

By the way, the national murder rate is down.

Sapwolf on April 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM

+2 on the no longer chatting at LGF. The Lizards have gone looney.
freeus on April 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Reptile Disfunction.

Christian Conservative on April 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Posted it elsewhere but it seems appropriate here.

1. 97 % of LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS are NEVER used in a crime.

2. From official police site last year 138 police were killed nationally. ONE WAS FROM AN ASSAULT WEAPON.
Here are the statistics for 2008.

TAKEAWAY: “Assault weapons” (ridiculous term meant to demonize) in the hands of legal purchasors are not a problem.

Assault weapons are not even a problem for police.
Cars, handguns, rifles, shotguns, are all much much more of a real problem for police. No one is even talking about them. Yet.

None of the stories in the headlines have involved legally owned purchased/possessed firearms. Oakland shooter, felon.
Pennsylvania shooter, dishonorable discharge plus a restraining order.

Just like the BS 90 to 95 % number that turned out to really be 17 % “THEY” ARE LYING ABOUT GUNS!

Total Line of Duty Deaths: 134
Accidental: 1
Aircraft accident: 3
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 36
Bomb: 2
Drowned: 1
Duty related illness: 4
Electrocuted: 1
Gunfire: 38
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 7
Motorcycle accident: 9
Stabbed: 1
Struck by vehicle: 12
Train accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 3
Vehicular assault: 11

America1st on April 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I read the transcript of this on fox yesterday and wondered if it would change your opinion of him at all.

I think it’s about time he clarified, specifically, that he’s talking about civil disobedience only, but I don’t think he ever meant otherwise, just that he assumed (perhaps unwisely) that everyone would know that.

Tanya on April 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM

My RIGHT to freedom of expression, freedom of contract, property and liberty are unbounded by so called “responsibilities” and any suggestion to the contrary is merely a prelude to despotism.

Charles Martel on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 PM

No, they are all bounded by the reality of consequence, regardless of the state.

The purpose behind the first amendment, among others, is the specific injunction against the state infringing our exercise of good judgment in doing good things. That it happens to protect the exercise of bad judgment in doing bad things does not make those things good. Porn, hate speech, conspiracy mongering, etc. are bad speech that happen to be protected so that good men are not hampered in proclaiming good things publicly.

America is great because America is good. When America stops being good, it will stop being great. That you are free to say something doesn’t mean you should, because in saying it, you begin the chain of consequences that you cannot control.

spmat on April 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM

LGF has turned into Polipundit. Anybody remember that once-great blog? The blog owner booted Lorie Byrd and D J Drummond from his blog, then it devolved into some kind of Internet dementia.

SicSemperTyrannus on April 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Obama and his Dems are, by definition, Fascists:

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

Words matter.

Rae on April 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM

RedSoxNation on April 7, 2009 at 6:42 AM

Me, too.

ladyingray on April 7, 2009 at 12:38 PM

wildcat84 on April 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

I never became a poster to LGF, but I read it often. After the recent election, that board became ground zero for atheism and anti-creationist opinion to the point far beyond excess. I myself tend to be agnostic (in the alternative, deist), but I am very leery of atheists who far too certainly and smugly tell me a “god” doesn’t exist, as if they have first hand knowledge. Atheism is its own “religion” and its supporters can be just as extreme.

I think the McCain loss in 08 scared anyone with RINO tendencies, and they are pulling ranks against opposing views on their side of the political aisle. And LGF is an example of that, to try to take/regain control of the Republicans in the wake of the recent losses.

Saltyron on April 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM

A.C.L.U.= Rights, responsibility? We don’t need no responsibility.

Liberalism= unhinged and unbalanced.

Speakup on April 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM


SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Americans can’t go around shooting cops because some media morons are making false claims with regards to the intention of said government. If you think, for one second, that this poor fellow wasn’t influenced by Beck and his type, then you are wearing blinders.


joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

People are responsible for their actions, except, apparently, Glenn Beck. Glenn just says some words who knows what that will lead to? Poor, demonized Beck.

If I were a professional rabble rouser, and I incited riots with my rabble rousing, then by your asinine standards, I am not responsible fir said riots.

I’m also fascinated to learn that Neo Nazis aren’t of the right, even though they apparently watch all the same shows and listen to all the same radio programs. Who knew? The next thing you’ll tell me is that Pat Buchanan is actually a socialist.

Utter tripe.

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Krydor: This guy was an Alex JONES devotee, none of whom are really conservatives. Do you have evidence that this guy listened to Beck?

What about Mumia? He’s feted by socialists and leftists like yourself the world over. Who influenced him?

Vanceone on April 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM

woaa,Woaa, WOAAA….big fella. Were all friends here.

And what did he watch those shows with?! A TV!

I’ve never, ever trusted anyone with a tv. He probably liked football and baseball, too. How can you even tell him apart from 80% of the population??? Oh yeah. He was a NAZI.

If anything, it was probably the fox nation commercials…code for aryian nation, doncha you know?

Who’s Pat Buchanan? Is he on fox, too?

joshlbetts on April 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Americans can’t go around shooting cops because some media morons are making false claims with regards to the intention of said government. If you think, for one second, that this poor fellow wasn’t influenced by Beck and his type, then you are wearing blinders.

You keep smearing Beck with this unproven charge that Beck’s statements were the cause of the actions by this, as you call him, “poor fellow.”

He wasn’t a poor fellow. He was a neo-Nazi lunatic.

If you can show any evidence that this moron/thug was influenced by Beck to committ his crimes you may – may – have something to discuss.

All you’ve done is smear Beck with being somehow complicit in these murders based on no evidence that this murderer – sorry “poor fellow” – even knew who Beck was.

Again, throughout the history of this country we’ve had public figures criticize the government and President and accuse them of violating the Constitution or abusing their powers.

When the left said that Bush was going to take away all of our rights did you warn about the possibility of “poor fellow” using violence as a result?

The ACLU says – right now – that the Obama Administration is taking away Americans’ rights by claiming “state secrets” in preventing lawsuits against AT&T over the NSA wiretapping program.

Is the ACLU fueling violent acts by claiming that the Obama Administration is taking away our rights?

If you’re going to condemn Beck for stating that our rights will be taken away you need to condemn the ACLU for the same charge.

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I’m also fascinated to learn that Neo Nazis aren’t of the right, even though they apparently watch all the same shows and listen to all the same radio programs

Could you provide some evidence/study on the reading and listening habits of Neo Nazis?

Man, all you do is smear and smear and smear.

No substance, just smears.

Frankly, I think you’re linkage of conservatives with neo-nazis may lead to violence by some “poor fellow” reading this site against conservatives.

Aren’t you concerned that some “poor fellow” reading your blog may be incited to kill Limbaugh?

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I’m condemning Beck because he makes insane charges with no backup. He’s Alex Jones with the edge taken off, and probably more dangerous because he reaches a wider audience.

Am I concerned that someone reading my blog will kill Limbaugh? I’ve haven’t make wild-eyed claims about the threat Limbaugh poses to the planet.

Words matter, words influence, words mean stuff. You think that Beck’s talk of gun grabbing and so forth are harmless. I say they aren’t. In spite of all the doom and gloom during the Bush years, no one was buying guns and hoarding food.

Oddly, people seem to be doing that with Obama and Obama has primarily stayed the course of the Bush admin. So, what do YOU think the catalyst was?

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I’m condemning Beck because he makes insane charges with no backup. He’s Alex Jones with the edge taken off, and probably more dangerous because he reaches a wider audience.

No, you claimed that this Neo-Nazi “poor fellow” was somehow brainwashed into murdering those officers because of Beck’s statements and views.

As I stated above, the ACLU says that the Obama Administration is taking away our rights by claiming “state secrets” privileges and stopping lawsuits by Americans against AT&T over the NSA listening program.

So, will you condemn the ACLU for making the charge that our rights are being taken away with the same vigor you go after Beck?

It’s one thing to condemn the over-the-top statements by Beck. Or Olbermann (who went a helluva lot further than Beck did).

It’s another to claim that Beck caused someone to murder police officers.

That latter claim has no substance whatsoever. There is no evidence that this Neo-Nazi trash, sorry “poor fellow”, ever listened to Beck.

Hell, Beck’s a supporter of Israel. To this Neo-Nazi loon that makes Beck a traitor and a Jew lover.

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Well, you just keep up the Beck apologia.

Unless you were equally harsh on the Bush admin for doing the same thing, then you are a hypocrite. The ACLU is being consistent. I expect that you agree with them when it is convenient.

And, finally, thanks to your stance that people are not responsible for what they say, at what point will you be demanding the withdrawl of US troops from overseas because the 19 hijackers are dead? They just acted on some stuff some guy said, and there’s NO WAY TO LINK IT.

That’s what your argument amounts to. Don’t be daft.

Krydor on April 7, 2009 at 3:50 PM

OH HOW SOON WE FORGET!

Did everyone forget that Bill Clinton HIMSELF blamed Rush Limbaugh for the Murrah Building attack in OKC? We find out 11 years later that Terry Nichols was trained by Al Qaeda, by Ramsi Yousef, that Timothy McVeigh was a National Socialist who hated Conservatives as much as he hated Clinton because McVeigh thought Clinton was far too RIGHT-WINGED and that Bill Clinton has pulled both the FBI and BATF OFF of the OKC investigation.
(House Oversight Committee Report on the Murrah Building attack, 24 DECEMBER, 2006)

NEVER FORGET the first rule of Propaganda:

People are willing to believe a lie if’
A; People are afraid what is said is true
B; People WANT to believe what is said is true
Now we find out Bobby Rush (author of HR45) is in Cuba playing slap and tickle with Fidel Castro.

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 4:00 PM

This just in…. Leftists are attempting to infiltrate Tea Parties to cause disruption, cause anarchy and destroy any credibility of those protesting.

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Well, you just keep up the Beck apologia.

I’m defending him against your charge that this cop murderer (you call him a “poor fellow”) committed his acts because of Beck’s statements.

You haven’t presented a single piece of evidence that this murderer ever listened to Beck or even knew who he was.

Beck is a strong supporter of Israel. That alone would make him unacceptable to this neo-Nazi trash. Sorry, “poor fellow”.

I never said nor do I believe that people aren’t responsible for what they say. I stated that you have presented no evidence that what Beck said was in any way responsible for the murder of the police officers.

Do you have any evidence?

Unless you condemn the ACLU for stating that the Obama Administration is taking away our rights you’re the hypocrite because you attack Beck for making similar claims.

The ACLU and Keith Olbermann have every right to call Bush a fascist who is taking away our rights. I’ve never claimed that their statements were leading to violence the way that you do.

The hypocrisy here is obvious to anyone reading this exchange.

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Do you people check under your bed for socialists every night?

benny shakar on April 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM

Obama and his Dems are, by definition, Fascists:

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.

Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.)

Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities.

Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.

In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Words matter.

Rae on April 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Rae, thanks for the link you posted (here it is again) http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Excellent. It makes perfect sense that the left is fascist – what sane individuals except useful idiots of the left would blindly accept political correctness, or the curious invention of “hate speech, hate crimes, campus speech codes, or stated public goals of diversity and multiculturalism, etc.

We can thank Gramsci for all these and much more.

Gramsci thought the only way to conquer the West was to destroy the West’s political and religious values through moral subversion and reinterpret Western history in such a way that makes it look evil and corrupt.

Gramsci knew this was a long term goal, since those people of his own generation were exposed to Western values and would be unwilling to give them up. Gramsci knew though that future generations could be influenced IF there was a way of exposing them to the proper propaganda.

Gramsci, in a shrewd mix of Machiavelli, Marx and the Bible, advocated attacking the children through the schools.

Gramsci knew if the media was employed to expose the population to the proper propaganda, it would be successful. And it is extremely so.

kooziegirl on April 7, 2009 at 4:11 PM

They just acted on some stuff some guy said, and there’s NO WAY TO LINK IT.

Excuse me, are you seriously arguing that this is analagous to Beck’s statements and the actions by the cop killer?

The 19 hijackers were trained and directed by AQ.

They weren’t acting on statements by Bin Laden. They were acting on his direct orders.

Good grief….

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM

KRYDOR, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE ACLU OR DO YOU JUST MAKE EVERYTHING UP AS YOU GO?

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 4:14 PM

This just in…. Leftists are attempting to infiltrate Tea Parties to cause disruption, cause anarchy and destroy any credibility of those protesting.

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Good Lord people, THIS IS WHAT THE LEFT DOES! They dont think the way we do, they dont act the way we do. They do not believe in tolerance of others ideas.

The left will stop at nothing to destroy or at the very least marginalize the conservative movement.

When will people begin to understand exactly what we are fighting. And take it seriously.

kooziegirl on April 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM

This fruitcake in PA is an ALEX JONES follower, you know, the SAME Alex Jones that assaulted Michelle Malkin and called for HER death…..

nelsonknows on April 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM

The left is not happy about the popularity of Glenn. Look at his ratings since he started at Fox; after the election. Huge ratings.

Its amusing to watch him pick apart the left and humiliate them after they misrepresent him.

SicSemperTyrannus on April 7, 2009 at 12:09 PMV

Yeah, I remember that. Poli wanted the posters to tow the Bush pro amnesty line IIRC. That started an internal blog war over principle and the whole place went to pot. I used to get a kick out of watching Ace, and others, shred the dirty socialists from Moveon that posted there.

DWB on April 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM

How to spot a troll:

Makes claims that:

1. Nut cases like Alex Jones are not only conservatives, but also represent mainstream conservative thought.

2. Neo-Nazis are conservatives, good middle of the road conservatives, as if the conservative movement were chock full of neo-Nazis.

3. Will claim they are Republicans who want to take ‘their’ party back from the conservatives.

4. Totally overlooks the fact ‘their’ party can’t win jack shit without conservatives.

No, no, don’t thank me. It’s what I do.

manofaiki on April 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM

. Neo-Nazis are conservatives, good middle of the road conservatives, as if the conservative movement were chock full of neo-Nazis.

Well, neo-Nazis (at least the one involved here) are really just “poor fellows” who are, like the Manchurian candidate, brainwashed by Glenn Beck into killing police officers.

Otherwise, they just go about their day rescuing stray pets and helping senior citizens cross the street.

But they hear Beck and suddenly they’re turned into Nazi killers!!!

Only in this case, there’s no evidence that this murderer heard or listened to Beck.

Much less was driven to commit his acts by Beck’s views.

But, hey, why let details ruin a good storyline?

SteveMG on April 7, 2009 at 6:49 PM

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