Obamateurism of the Day

posted at 8:05 am on April 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

George Bush’s critics rightly roasted him for his tortured syntax and waterboarded grammar, and used it to make the claim that the graduate of both Harvard and Yale was an idiot.  Well, perhaps, but I don’t recall him ever claiming that Austrian was a language.  It takes a highly-esteemed intellect, it seems, to miss the fact that Austrians mainly speak German:

It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.

Austrians speak German primarily — and I’m sure some Austrians speak languages ranging from Albanian to Swahili, being an intelligent and cultured people. However, none of the speak Austrian, because it doesn’t exist.

I got a deluge of e-mails on this, so thanks to all who sent the tip.  Other bloggers on this Obamateurism:

Update: LGF claims they have a clip of Bush bowing to Abdullah, but he’s actually bending down to receive a medal from the Saudi king.  Bush is much taller than Abdullah, which would have made it impossible for Abdullah to get the medal around his neck otherwise.  We can question whether Bush should have accepted a medal from the Saudis, but he wasn’t greeting Abdullah with a bow.

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Update: Removed the references to French and Italian. One tourist site mentioned them, but the CIA factbook doesn’t, and I’ll take them as definitive.


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Seriously? You’re reaching. There is an Austrian dialect of German and I guarantee you that Austrians would not want to be folded into German. They have an unfortunate history with that don’t you know.

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

DTMH, are you THAT much of a hack that you’re going to argue that there is any such language as “Austrian”? They speak German. German.

I guess my question answers itself. What a suck-up.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Give him a break. He’s more cultured than any of us bigots’ll ever be. Right now I’m trying to learn Canadian so I can at least be a little closer to his level of worldly-wisdom.

OneGyT on April 6, 2009 at 8:11 AM

No Austrian I know says he speaks Austrian…they speak German, and they’ll tell you that.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 8:12 AM

And to think I once thought DTMH was an intellectually honest dissenter.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 8:13 AM

Add to this the fact that the despicable, lying scum on the left ran for years with the false story that Dan Quayle had said that he hadn’t studied up on his Latin before going to Latin America, and you get to see liberals in all their glory. The Precedent is as inarticulate as the libs had to make up about Dan Quayle. The Great Orator …

Pathetic. The Precedent, besides the fact that he is dangerous, is a total embarrassment. He’s like a 5 year old running around on the world stage.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM

Yes, if Bush or any other Republican had said this the media would have a field day. No denying it. However, it was a slip of the tongue. The man was in Austria, he had a brain fart and said they speak Austrian. Could have happened to the best of us.

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Shouldn’t you be out painting ears on pepsi logos this early in the morning?

Don’t try to obfuscate the obvious, Barry fricked up and shows his naivete again and the press keeps their noses firmly planted in his sphyncter. Had it been GW or ANY republican it would provide weeks of front page folly.

Tim Zank on April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

Being the good parent country of Hitler, maybe that ‘Austrian’ term for ‘wheeling and dealing’ would have some fair probability of being anti semitic.

eaglewingz08 on April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

DTMH, are you THAT much of a hack that you’re going to argue that there is any such language as “Austrian”? They speak German. German.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

DTMH speaks American … actually, United Statesese.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

There are American dialects and most of us probably wouldn’t want to be folded into English, but you’d be hard-pressed to find any American who wouldn’t mock a German politician (for example) for saying they “don’t know what the term is in American” or even “don’t know what the term is in Texan.”

OneGyT on April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

maybe this was a slip of the tongue, but he has had so many of them. its like he’s not educated in world history.

kelley in virginia on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Well,for Petes sake Elmer Fudd,spit it out for gawds sake,

well,Duh..Duh..Duh..Daffy..Daffy..I’m try’n!!(Snark)

canopfor on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Isn’t that reaching a bit? I’m sure he was implying that Australians have a different idiom for “wheeling and dealing”.

Not all slang in the English speaking world is the same.

I’m no fan of Barry, but let’s at least be fair.

Daddy-O on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Another week… another OOTD poll!

Speaking of GWB, with all of the Ignorant One’s rewriting history & apologizing profusely for the “sins of America’s past”, I wonder how much longer before George opens his mouth to defend himself?

He has GOT to be biting whatever is left of his lip.

singlemalt_18 on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Speaking of hacks…

Remember last week when you excitedly posted at least three posts throwing a temper tantrum that Obama bowed to the Saudi king, and when pointed out that Bush had kissed and walked hand in hand in the lilac garden with the same Saudi king, you had some goofy response like “but kissing and hand holding aren’t like submissive bows!1!11!!”

Guess what?

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

“don’t know what the term is in Texan”. most Texans wouldn’t blink an eye at that statement.

kelley in virginia on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Is every “Obamateurism” going to include a dig at George W. Bush?

It’s old.

BigD on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Could have happened to the best of us.

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Well maybe, but the rest of us aren’t the Leader of the Free World.

Tim Zank on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

I’m just glad they edited the “…and, uh, uh”s out of the transcript; because that way, when you read it he sounds erudite and … uh, uh, stuff.

I mean except for the part where this Citizen of the World thinks Austrian is a language and … uh, you know.

cruadin on April 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

bambi held himself out as highly educated, really cool, well travelled, a student of the world. so based on his own campaign literature, he is acting way below that level.

kelley in virginia on April 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

he is acting way below that level.

kelley in virginia on April 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

He’s barely sentient.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

He got a medal, and was taller than the guy giving it to him? Yeah, got that in an update. Try to keep up. I know it’s difficult for some of the trolls here, especially you.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

President Obama is justly celebrated for his precise and masterful command of the American language.

Hey, do you think DeathToCapitalistPigs would’ve had anything good to say if George Bush had ever blurted out, “I don’t know what the term is in Mexican”?

Charles should have done his homework better than this.

Apparently that isn’t an isolated incident, lately.

Jim Treacher on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

BigD on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Is every “Obamateurism” going to include a dig at George W. Bush?

Of course. “Bush did the same thing” is the change we have been waiting for.

fluffy on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Um, e-pirate, I believe Bush is “bowing” because the king is getting ready to put something over his head. If you look closely, you can see the king is holding something and is about to put whatever it is over Bush’s head.

haikusrock on April 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

kelley in virginia on April 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

From someone speaking a different language? That would at least be a little weird, if nothing else.

In English-speaking contexts it wouldn’t be completely natural, either. If I heard something like that from an English speaker I’d assume it’s either a poorly constructed sentence or it’s mocking Texans.

OneGyT on April 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Ich bin nicht ein Osterreicher. Ich lebe in Australien.

Understand me?

lol

Crux Australis on April 6, 2009 at 8:23 AM

e-pirate thinks it’s so unimportant that he has to make very, very loud excuses for it.

Jim Treacher on April 6, 2009 at 8:23 AM

Well,at the 11 second mark in the video,
there is no doubt about it,that Obama
slammed into an Icebeg of missing thought!

canopfor on April 6, 2009 at 8:23 AM

Well, perhaps, but I don’t recall him ever claiming that Austrian was a language.

oh sweet memories. presidents seem to have an issue with austrians.

Addressing an audience in Sydney, [Bush] referred to Australian troops as Austrians and became confused about which event he is there to attend. He also got tongue-tied over the name of an Asian terrorist group and came close to coming a cropper when he walked the wrong way off a platform.

sorry for waxing nostalgic.

sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Yeah gimme a break with the bow thing people, Bush kissed the guy and walked holding his hand.

Dash on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Could have happened to the best of us.

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Rationality doesn’t work when you’re engaging in mindless (and pointless) Obama Derangement. What is amazing to me is the bitterness and vindictive anger that still animates much of the talk radio demagogues (a group I’m seriously beginning to think have nothing to do with conservatism) and Morrissey while slightly less toxic than Limbaugh/Beck is smack dab in the middle of it. Remember on November 5th when Ed wrote that post about NOT being a right wing version of the Kos kids? Um…it’s barely April and your impersonation of them is no longer ironic, it’s just accurate.

I do wonder why this blog has been totally silent on the fact that the administration is basically seeking to undermine congress to ensure that banks who receive TARP money can still pay out big bonuses, completely buying into the idiotic notion that in order to keep “competitive” banks have to pay lavish salaraies to people who royally screwed over the world economy. It’s exactly the kind of thing you conservatives should love, yet silence from Mr. Morrisey who claimed he would acknowledge when Obama did something right. You define hackery.

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Seriously? You’re reaching. There is an Austrian dialect of German and I guarantee you that Austrians would not want to be folded into German. They have an unfortunate history with that don’t you know.

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

DTMH, are you THAT much of a hack that you’re going to argue that there is any such language as “Austrian”? They speak German. German.

I guess my question answers itself. What a suck-up.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

*snickering* Good stuff. Want more.

RepubChica on April 6, 2009 at 8:25 AM

There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing —

He would have impressed the crowd with his Austrian, like he did with French, but his crack team of researchers couldn’t locate an Austrian dictionary.
/

Disturb the Universe on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

He got a medal, and was taller than the guy giving it to him? Yeah, got that in an update. Try to keep up. I know it’s difficult for some of the trolls here, especially you.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Haha, your update wasn’t there when I made my post.

After the three front page “Obama bowed!!!!” posts I didn’t realize you’d attempt to sneak in this update on the tail end of something totally unrelated. My apologies.

Bush bowing down and letting Abdullah give him some kind of medal clearly isn’t showing any kind of submissiveness at all. Our president getting awards from the Saudi king? Gee thats fine with me. I take back my post. ;)

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

D’oh! He’s a kool-aid stirring idiot!

apco on April 6, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Good of you to link to LGF.

The site owner is a deranged left coast autodidact but I am sure he enjoys the extra traffic as his increasingly shrill rants about creationism are probably of little interest to many.

Ares on April 6, 2009 at 8:27 AM

sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Are you serious? Austrians and Australians both exist and sound about the same. Austrian, as a language, doesn’t exist and need sto be made up by someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Or, do you think that The Precedent learned about the Austrian language while he was at his INdonesian elementary school? That’s a possibility. But, otherwise, the idiot messiah said “Austrian” because he doesn’t know what language they speak in Austria, since he mentioned a language that DOESN’T EXIST.

But, you like your Precedent to be just making stuff up, sounding like an idiot. It helps to take away that arrogant, dismissive, derisive feeling …

Idiots.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM

How hard is it to say “Partisanauf Deutsche?

Given that Obama only speaks American, not English, now he wants to learn Austrian, not German. That’s Ivy League for you.

FRAUD!

maverick muse on April 6, 2009 at 8:29 AM

Thats Iceberg,not Icebeg!Ugh!

canopfor on April 6, 2009 at 8:29 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

I do wonder why blah, blah, blah administration blah, blah, blah congress blah, blah, blah banks who receive TARP money can still pay out big bonusesblah, blah, blah pay lavish salaraies to people who royally screwed over the world economy.

I’m sure there is a thread about that subject somewhere.

Focus, please.

fluffy on April 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM

e-pirate thinks it’s so unimportant that he has to make very, very loud excuses for it.

Jim Treacher on April 6, 2009 at 8:23 AM

No, you got me. I clearly cannot defend the indefensible. Obama doesn’t know if Austrians use the term wheeling and dealing. Obviously he’s an unqualified hack and we should roll out the impeachment papers. Let’s bring back Bush, who never made any of these huge foreign policy blunders.

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Austrian is a post WWI artificial construct anyways.

pssstt…they are Germans.

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Yep…he said “Austrian.” Guess, they speak Prussian and Saxon in parts of Eur’p, too. [Note to Obama: Europe has two syllables.] Now, I will concede that in Bavaria, they do speak Bayrisch. And, in the far Western parts of Austria, they speak Tyrollian…but in greatly limited numbers anymore.

But, Austrian? Had G.W. Bush said that, it’d be front-page news.

coldwarrior on April 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

You think getting a medal and bowing down upon meeting are the same thing? And you think we’re deranged? Seriously, you’re just not rational. You’ve reached Baghdad Bob territory here. You’re in complete and total denial.

trubble on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Let’s bring back Bush, who never made any of these huge foreign policy blunders.

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Sorry, bud. It is your turn to play defense.

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

The Wizard of Uhhhs strikes again!

JammieWearingFool on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Ed,

Austrians do not speak german. They speak Austrian. Do the countries that speak the romance languages all speak the same language? same-o same-o for Austrian-German.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Didn’t Dan Quayle say — joking or not — that the people of Latin America spoke Latin?

Well, I suppose you could stretch and say that Spanish is a Latin derivative, and thus give the points back to Quayle on that nuance.

But you’d be seen as a desperate hack and a clown if you did.

jeff_from_mpls on April 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM

I love how in the video, Obama makes his “Austrian” gaffe, and the camera cuts to a young woman who, rather than reacting to the obvious error, is aglow with admiration for Obama.

You realize that to the memebers of his personality cult, it doesn’t matter what he says, no matter how stupid. They will always look at him with that worshipful goo-goo expression.

gridlock2 on April 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM

Five “uhs” in just 26 seconds, too. So eloquent.

Disturb the Universe on April 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

You want us to celebrate in the fact that Obama’s WH is “undermining” Congress to dole out big-buck bonuses? What did you think? Have you taken a look at the obscene money this guy raised from Wall Street and the banks during his campaign? The president will emote in town halls in his preacher-man populist shtick while giving the money to the fat cats and patting the behinds of his financiers with a nod and winky-wink…

RepubChica on April 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM

Ed,

Austrians do not speak german. They speak Austrian. Do the countries that speak the romance languages all speak the same language? same-o same-o for Austrian-German.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

You should probably just sit down and be quiet, lest you embarass yourself further.

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

How is this Obama derangement? I think its funny..we’re not saying we hate him. We are laughing at his total flubs.

As for TARP, now they want more money, but there are a few banks that want to return the money and no one is telling them how to go about it. I say they dont want them to return the money…Timmah wants to have that hold over them so he can fire bank executives.

becki51758 on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Didn’t Dan Quayle say — joking or not — that the people of Latin America spoke Latin?

jeff_from_mpls on April 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM

Actually, he never said that, but that didn’t stop the libs from claiming that he did. Their Precedent is on video tape doing something even worse, as Latin is, at least, an actual language! But Quayle never said that, and the idiot messiah certainly did.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Maybe Obama meant to say “Australian”…

Because, nobody can deny that Strine is a distinct and different language…

gridlock2 on April 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Two months of gaffes,and Hopey/Changey just keeps those
gaffe hits a comin,non-stop!

Just think,a Senator of only two years of experience,so
far,is hitting a new world record in American Presidential
screw-ups!!

Me thinks,Obama will surpass Bill Clinton and
Jimmy Carter combined,jus sayin!!(Sarc).

canopfor on April 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

From wikipedeia.

With German being a pluricentric language, Austrian dialects should not be confused with the variety of Standard German spoken by most Austrians, which is distinct from that of Germany or Switzerland. Distinctions in vocabulary persist, for example, in culinary terms, where communication with Germans is frequently difficult, and administrative and legal language, which is due to Austria’s exclusion from the development of a German nation-state in the late 19th century and its manifold particular traditions

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

OneGuy (BTW, we have a ‘one guy from italy’ pizza in Lubbock..), I say wheeling and dealing all the time! As in Chicago politics, or Fannie and Freddie people getting mongo bonuses while attacking AIG…

Yeah, it’s just another slipup, but…he’s done so many of them that he makes W look like a Shakespearean actor. Besides, WIWHDI? Sesqui? Anyone? Beuller?

bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Gotta love that creepy smile he has. Dig the cutaway of the drooling woman in the audience.

Please pass the bromide.

the_souse on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Your ignorance knows no bounds…..

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

This is another data point that adds to the kaleidoscope of other data points demonstrating that Barack Obama is not particularly bright. He sounds great when he is in his professorial, rehearsed mode. Instructors have lectures they know by rote, and when delivered well they convey an impression of intelligence. Barack Obama certainly delivers his rehearsed lines well. However, despite protestations of Obama supporters, no intelligent person would say he heard people speaking “Austrian.” It would be the same as saying he heard someone speaking Swiss. In my life I’ve never heard it said. It will be funny watching his supporters furiously twisting their kaleidoscopes trying to see a genius where there is only intellectual mediocrity.

Ted Torgerson on April 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

DTMH speaks American … actually, United Statesese.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

He got a medal, and was taller than the guy giving it to him? Yeah, got that in an update. Try to keep up. I know it’s difficult for some of the trolls here, especially you.
Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Good Gaia…I think HA has already surpassed its daily requirement of pwnage just with these two posts. I think I actually heard the smackdowns way up here in Minnesota.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

In “The Sound of Music” all of the Austrians spoke English, except for an occasional “Frau,” “Fraulein” or “Herr.”

BigD on April 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Rationality doesn’t work when you’re engaging in mindless (and pointless)[] Derangement. What is amazing to me is the bitterness and vindictive anger that still animates much of the [radical Socialist] demagogues (a group I’m seriously beginning to think have nothing to do with [being Liberal])

That shoe fits. Leave it plugging your fat trap keeping your convoluted lunacy to yourself, Hack.

maverick muse on April 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Gosh, this is embarrassing….sweetie…German is the only national official language…the most widely spoken by Austrians…which has “dialected” into “Austrian German”. The language “Austrian” in of itself as a language is a misnomer…

RepubChica on April 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

But Quayle never said that, and the idiot messiah certainly did.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

So in an effort to be fair and balanced by alluding to a Dan Quayle horror story, I unwittingly reminded Real Americans that Leftist vermin make crap up.

Glad to offer the service.

And still smack down the nuancers on this thread.

It’s a win-win!

jeff_from_mpls on April 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

e-pirate on April 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

You completely miss the point, as usual. Or more likely just trying to deliberately sidetrack the discussion.

People, including presidents, make mistakes. We get that. The point is that that Bush’s gaffes were plastered everywhere in the media on an endless loop while there’s a media blackout on Obama’s repeated screw-ups.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

RepubChica on April 6, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Ed had an extra cuppa joe this morning. (cuppa joe?!? I’m not speaking Texan? Or even modern??) What I get from Ed is that he is one of the nicest people you’d ever come across. Til he gets tired of shiite, the gets in smackdown mode. Then it gets harsh, yet somehow, accurate.

bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

You’re reaching. Some Obamateurisms are reaching a bit, but this one is excellent. Any Austrian will tell you that Obama’s talking nonsense.

Phoenician on April 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Obama doesn’t know if Austrians use the term wheeling and dealing.

Non issue and wouldn’t rate a thread. It’s whether or not the Austrians have an “Austrian” language term for wheeling and dealing.

Welcome to Strategery Land, where the sitting POTUS gets to be ridiculed for supposedly being a moron. You had eight years to hit Bush, we get our two years to hit Ogabe before he is driven from office.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Gosh, this is embarrassing….sweetie…German is the only national official language…the most widely spoken by Austrians…which has “dialected” into “Austrian German”. The language “Austrian” in of itself as a language is a misnomer…

RepubChica on April 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

That is very true and your well written explanation is on target. A dialect of the germanic language distinctive to austria alone. So distinct people who speak pure german do not understand it. Kudos to you and ha ha to those who insist it is pure german.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Austrians do not speak german. They speak Austrian. Do the countries that speak the romance languages all speak the same language? same-o same-o for Austrian-German.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Wow, that’s clueless. Romance languages include Spanish, which is spoken in Spain, Mexico, and almost all of Central and South America; Portugese, which is spoken in Portugal and Brazil; Italian, which is spoken in Italy; and French, which is spoken in France, Luxembourg, Switzerland (along with Italian), and other places.

Dialects are NOT separate languages. The American dialect of English is still English; the Mexican dialect of Spanish is not “Mexican”. Calling Austrian German “Austrian” is the same thing as calling the language in Rio de Janeiro “Brazilian”.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Using Ms. Kanda’s logic, besides English, there are also languages called “American”, “Scottish”, “Irish” and “Australian”, among others.

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Oh I am of german ancestry by the way.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

You’re wrong. From CIA World Fact Book:

Languages: German (official nationwide) 88.6%, Turkish 2.3%, Serbian 2.2%, Croatian (official in Burgenland) 1.6%, other (includes Slovene, official in Carinthia, and Hungarian, official in Burgenland) 5.3% (2001 census)

Sorry…no mention of Austrian spoken in Austria.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Reading comprehension obviously isn’t your forte.

With German being a pluricentric language, Austrian dialects should not be confused with the variety of Standard German spoken by most Austrians,

pluricentric

Wikipedia English The Free Encyclopedia Download this dictionary
Pluricentric language
A pluricentric language is a language with several standard versions. This situation usually arises when language and the national identity of its native speakers do not coincide.

dialects

di·a·lect Listen to the pronunciation of dialect
Pronunciation:
\ˈdī-ə-ˌlekt\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
Middle French dialecte, from Latin dialectus, from Greek dialektos conversation, dialect, from dialegesthai to converse — more at dialogue
Date:
1577

1 a: a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language b: one of two or more cognate languages c: a variety of a language used by the members of a group d: a variety of language whose identity is fixed by a factor other than geography (as social class) e: register 4c f: a version of a computer programming language2: manner or means of expressing oneself : phraseology

In other words Austrians speak a specific regional variation of German, it is however none the less still GERMAN.

doriangrey on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

kanda doubles down on teh stoopid.

Enjoy having to be a sea lawyer every day for the next forty five months.

From the official site of the Austrian tourism ministry:

Of the approximately 8 million inhabitants of Austria, 98% speak German. The six ethnic groups officially recognized in Austria (Burgenlandic Croatians, Roma, Slovaks, Slovenians, Czechs and Hungarians) are concentrated in the east and south of the country.

Sorry if that is not as authoritative a source as the Wikipedia entry you just edited, but what does the government of Austria know about Austria, anyways.

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Wow, that’s clueless. Romance languages include Spanish, which is spoken in Spain, Mexico, and almost all of Central and South America; Portugese, which is spoken in Portugal and Brazil; Italian, which is spoken in Italy; and French, which is spoken in France, Luxembourg, Switzerland (along with Italian), and other places.

Dialects are NOT separate languages. The American dialect of English is still English; the Mexican dialect of Spanish is not “Mexican”. Calling Austrian German “Austrian” is the same thing as calling the language in Rio de Janeiro “Brazilian”.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

1 – It’s Portuguese, not “portugese” (just a pet peeve of mine)
2 – You forgot Romanian ;)

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

The part about not knowing if they have a term for wheeling and dealing, I have no problem with that. They probably do, but who knows. Not an unfunny line, off the cuff. It’s the matter of ‘Austrian’ that is the issue, and the collective (there’s a good Leftie word…or Borg) of ametuerish bilge coming out of this Administration.

bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Oh I am of german ancestry by the way.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

That doesn’t mean that you get to make up words.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

With German being a pluricentric language [therefore nuance nuance nuance, blah blah blah etc.]

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

English is a pluricentric language too.

And when you fill out a job application here, and you’re asked what language you speak, you check the stinking box that says English.

Bottom line.

jeff_from_mpls on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

ha ha too funny….Sometimes people can’t see the forest for the trees.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Well if he was taking a test and said “Austrian” he’d be covered by the 17% affirmative action points.

He’s used to that. He doesn’t have to give the right answer.

LtE126 on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Americans predominently speak english at this time. In 20 years that may change to Spanish.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Oh I am of german ancestry by the way.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Funny I would have taken you for an Imbecile studying to be a moron and failing miserably.

doriangrey on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

ha ha too funny….Sometimes people can’t see the forest for the trees.
kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Come on now, don’t pull a “getaclue” and claim that everyone just doesn’t understand, defend yourself.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Using Ms. Kanda’s logic, besides English, there are also languages called “American”, “Scottish”, “Irish” and “Australian”, among others.

madne0 on April 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Well, there actually IS an “Irish”, but it’s not the “faith and begorrah” English dialect spoken there. It’s the Celtic language still spoken in parts of Ireland by as many as a million people — and I speak a little of it myself.

Go n-éirí an bothar leat … agus go luath. That’ Irish.

Ed Morrissey on April 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Americans predominently speak english at this time. In 20 years that may change to Spanish.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Don’t you mean Mexican?
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Disturb the Universe on April 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Your ignorance knows no bounds…..

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

It appears that your has been clearly and repeatedly outlined, however, so you have that going for you.

Do you do haikus?

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

LtE126 on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

ha ha I love that…..It’s a sad situation thats for sure.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

In American, the term for “German” is “Austrian.”

JohnTant on April 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Oh I am of german ancestry by the way.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Yeah, well I’m of Irish/Swedish ancestry but I neither speak Gaelic nor Swedish. Non-sequitur.

Within Germany itself, you’ll encounter many dialects. Bavarians are careful not to use region-specific terms and phrases when dealing with Germans from other regions to make sure they’re understood. But Bavarians still speak German.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

ha ha too funny….Sometimes people can’t see the forest for the trees.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

And some people insist on defending The Precedent for calling trees, “flowers”. (Though, again, “flowers” is a real word, whereas “Austrian” is a language that only exists in the mind of The Precedent, and then in the minds of his sycophants after he idiotically says it.)

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Americans predominently speak english at this time. In 20 years that may change to Spanish.
kanda on April 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Perhaps, maybe even Chinese the way things are going, but at no time in our history will we have spoken “American”.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

The lengths that some people will go to defend (Olby faux Shakespearean thing here) His Holiness from the slinngggsss and arrooowwss of those viiiile creatures on the Right. They (DeNiro here) Got Nuttin’!

bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Im from central pa and I sometimes use Pennsylvania Dutch.

ahem…its not a language either. ;)

becki51758 on April 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Kandra, I am not of german ancestry, I am German.Austrians speak german, period. They have a distinct dialect, just like Bavarians have a distinct dialect totally different from the dialect spoken in northern germany. And to say that germans don’t understand the austrians is so stupid… I leave that one alone.

utebell on April 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

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