Obama: We’re not at war with Islam
posted at 10:30 am on April 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Expect Barack Obama to get a lot of flack for this statement, but I won’t be one of the critics. Instead, I’ll focus my criticism on the media that treats it as some sort of sea change for American statesmanship. We’ll start with Tom Raum of the AP:
Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as president, declared Monday the United States “is not and will never be at war with Islam.”
Calling for a greater partnership with the Islamic world in an address to the Turkish parliament, Obama called the country an important U.S. ally in many areas, including the fight against terrorism. He devoted much of his speech to urging a greater bond between Americans and Muslims, portraying terrorist groups such as al Qaida as extremists who did not represent the vast majority of Muslims.
“Let me say this as clearly as I can,” Obama said. “The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical … in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.”
Here’s the objectionable part:
The U.S. president is trying to mend fences with a Muslim world that felt it had been blamed by America for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Yes, because George Bush spent the last seven years blaming the entire Muslim world for the 9/11 attacks, right? Right? Er, no, as this collection of Bush quotes regarding Islam makes excruciatingly clear. In fact, Bush emphasized friendship with Muslims from the very start of the war:
- “I’ve made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It’s a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia The Oval Office, Washington, D.C. September 19, 2001
- “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.” — Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. September 17, 2001
- “All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush to the Warsaw Conference on Combating Terrorism November 6, 2001
- “I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know — that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan The Oval Office, Washington, D.C. September 28, 2001
- “Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.” – Remarks by President George W. Bush on U.S. Humanitarian Aid to Afghanistan Presidential Hall, Dwight David Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C. October 11, 2002
And so on; there are plenty of examples to make the point. Obama spoke in the tradition established by Bush over the last seven-plus years of emphasizing that America did not declare war on Islam. That’s been obvious through our partnership with Islamic nations, such as Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, just to name a few. And he’s right; the last thing we would want to do would be to declare war on a billion people just on the basis of their religion. The more we can keep the Muslims on the sidelines, the better off we are in fighting against the radicals.
However, the AP wants to pretend that this is some new effort by the US to assure Muslims of our intentions. It decidedly is not, and perhaps a mention that Bush tried making these same assurances for almost his entire presidency would be in order here.
Update: Jules Crittenden declares “Jinx!” and assesses Obama a Coca-Cola on behalf of Bush.
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Good post, BL@KBIRD.
Interestingly, muslims don’t care about starting wars against almost a billion Hindus or against 2 billion Christians, or even against nuclear powers that could annihilate them with the push of a button … even an “overcharged” button.
Suicide bombing among muslims didn’t come out of the aether. They practice suicidal, scorched-earth strategies on a societal level. That’s the mark of their desert foundations.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Tell me, exactly, what your evidence is for being convinced of this. You make us sound like a bunch of racist fools because you’re sputtering garbage.
The man has enough objectionable qualities without us making them up.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Ooooh. Taqiyya from the US President!
desertdweller on April 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM
anarchists managed to assassinate a US president and european royalty. we’re not exactly “at war” with those punks in the UK shouting for anarchy…are we?
ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM
The anarchists? The anarchists are not FOR anything. The Mainstream Radical Islamic Terrorists have made it very clear they are FOR killing Americans any chance they get…
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Sorry, I believe he is a muslim. Anyone that can so effectively do this much damage to America in 3 MONTHS clearly is the enemy within. You don’t have to agree with me.
And as far as electing him OUT OF OFFICE, keep dreaming. He will pass the shamnesty bill, which means tens of millions of new obama voters will be voting multiple times in 2012. He is here for the full 8 years.
Fasten your seatbelts.
ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM
While I do not subscribe to a secular society, my point was that Obama is professing to embrace Christian values when his stance on abortion proves he does not. With all do respect, you’ve framed me into accepting a secular society in arguing against unfettered abortion, (murder), when my religious convictions can make this point. But you are probably quite right that this argument would be moot to a secularist.
Rovin on April 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Whether he is still a muslim or not, no one knows. But he was born a muslim, had a muslim father and stepfather, and grew up, during his formative years, in a muslim country registered as a muslim at school. He was raised a muslim. Those are facts.
The fact that he now appears to be on the muslim side must be evaluated with his background in mind. Make of it what you will, but islam runs deep in his background. Very deep.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I’ll just say this. There should be no more mosques in the U.S. than there are Christian churches or Jewish Synagogues, in muslim countries.
Star20 on April 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM
That Dali Bama guy really is talented. He can read the TOTUS from the French Warrior position…you know, the rolled-over paws-up position!
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM
ED…..How does a Muslim become a radical Muslim? Heh….
BL@KBIRD
Good point. According to Islamic teaching a Muslim must hate, convert, subjugate or destroy Christians and Jews. “Radical” Muslims are the ones who believe in freedom and peace among all religious beliefs.
SKYFOX on April 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Strong assertions with no evidence=Liberal mentality
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Au contraire, the sad fact is there are facets of mainstream Islamic faith that tend to support terrorism. Verses in the Koran instructing to kill infidels. The 2-tiered system of believers and “dhimmis”. The absence of a line between Islam as a religion and Islam as a political system. Paradise for martyrs. Their thin skin, such as regarding the Danish cartoons. The doctrine of apostacy, where, as in a street gang, you’re not allowed to leave the faith. And it’s the nature of Islam that Muslims support Muslims to an irrational degree. There’s a lot of sympathy in the Muslim world for terrorism. For example, look at the support of Bin Laden.
Paul-Cincy on April 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM
That’s the problem. We’re NOT at war with the mohammedian death cult. We should be. It’s already at war with US though and has been off and on through our history (starting with the Barbary wars of the early 1800′s) but intensifying since the 80′s.
wildcat84 on April 6, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Infiltrate, populate, dominate – that’s the preferred current strategy.
On the other hand, open war works, too, if they have the weapons at hand.
Greg Toombs on April 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Enough with the “he’s a Muslim” conspiracy talk. This rhetoric he’s spouting has nothing to do with his religion…it has everything to do with the fact that, once again, he’s in over his head and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
How does a muslim become radical? Simple: He renounces terrorism under any circumstances, accepts people of other faiths as equals, accepts civil law as being above sharia law, and accepts that people are free to enter or leave islam as they are any other religion.
There are so few of those type muslims (and all that is completely forbidden by koran as currently written) that they definitely constitute a radical minority.
The radical muslims are the ones that you and I would call the “good” ones. The terrorists and their passive sympathizers are the mainstream.
wildcat84 on April 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
We’re not at war with Islam. We’re at war with Islamists.
LibTired on April 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
I’m sure the muslim world is tickled pink to know we’re not at war against them or ever will be thanks to the muslim-loving traitor we-excuse me, I mean liberals, elected to power in our infidel state.
But that doesn’t change the fact that muslims are at war against us. Denying reality is very comforting and easier than realizing we’re in WW3 against a fascist totalitarian ideology that is set on global domination.
How could this happen? A free democratic nation, the most powerful in the world that’s defeated evil ideologies before like fascism and communism allows itself to be fooled into thinking we don’t have a new enemy to fight?
I’ve debated a lot of muslims, mostly online but some in real life. I know the words of a single poster here might not mean much, but take it from me, we are at war with ALL of Islam and ALL muslims.
They’re too brainwashed to ever leave Islam and they think creating an Islamic state, converting us into muslims, they’ll finally achieve real peace. Sure there are some muslims who want no part of the jihad and global conquest but its impossible to identify them. Eliminate Islam for real peace, not just in the West but globally.
Have no illusions, muslims are winning around the world, their populations are growing and we infidels (non-muslims) are losing badly, because we refuse to acknowledge Islam is a threat. Africa is being Islamified as we speak and this will continue unless it is stopped by force-the only thing that works against the spread of this global pandemic.
It is time to accept that there are two kinds of people in this world, muslim and non-muslim and fight this war accordingly. Obama needs to be impeached before he causes more damage and radically alters America. He stands for almost everything that America is against.
/end rant
thinkagain on April 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM
What is the “conspiracy”? He was born and raised a muslim. Those are facts. He exhibits an unnatural love of the islamic world and hates the West. Those are facts.
You can form your own opinion about why he has these views, but don’t tell people to stop talking about the FACT that he was raised as a muslim, in a muslim country. That’s not a “conspiracy”. It’s the truth.
Shying away from these facts during the election had a lot to do with why we have this fool in the White House right now.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM
There are Islamists teaching in mosques around the world.
I worry there are so few within the Muslim ummah who resist the many radical imams.
What happens to a democratic, non-Islamic country when Muslims become the largest minority, if not one of?
We are about to find out, I think.
Greg Toombs on April 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Correct. The term “war on terrorism” is as stupid as if we said in World War II we were at war with “blitzkrieg” or “kamikaze attacks”. Those are tactics. So is terrorism.
We need to be at war with the source: islamism, just as we were at war with fascism and national socialism.
wildcat84 on April 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
But did he say that in their native language, Islamish?
right2bright on April 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I’m not convinced of this, but I’m not trying to pick a fight, either.
If Obama was once a muslim, he now claims he’s a Christian (though I’m not confident of that, either) making him an apostate subject to death at the hands of another Muslim.
Certainly I’d expect to hear an outcry about it from the usual suspects. I haven’t.
Greg Toombs on April 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
No, they’re not. “Unnatural love” in itself is a subjective term first of all, and can have no “truth” value whatsoever. Its not that its untrue, it cannot be proven one way or the other.
“Hates the west” is also your subjective assessment of what others might simply call a willingness to compromise on US interests you find to be priority. Granted thats a 1/2 way facetious argument in that he is surely doing things we both find contrary to our interests…but so do all presidents. doesnt mean they “hate the west”, whatever that means.
ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
It doesn’t matter what you say Hussein. They are at war with us.
dogsoldier on April 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I understand thinking that Obama is a Muslim, I also understand not wanting to go down that road because it makes the right look like the left.
HOWEVER, the guy has been in office less than 100 days and his motives and his ineptitude must surely be questioned. No matter where it leads.
ORconservative on April 6, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I wouldn’t call him a full fledged muslim, however, his sympathies and identification with muslims and islam, is unacceptable.
Blake on April 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM
When does this grovel fest wrap up?
I thought ThackerAgency made a good point that this is the holiest week in the Christian and Jewish faith and here we have POTUS on a world tour to appease Islam…
I too have not heard one word of acknowledgement toward the holy week…
What is Obama going to do? Breeze in for the pagan white house egg roll and call it a day?
Babs on April 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM
He doesn’t have an unnatural love for the Islamic world, he has the same affinities liberals have for them.
Have you given any thought at all to his policy goals? None of them are in line with a Muslim worldview, abortion and gay marriage being chief among them.
We didn’t lose the election because we didn’t talk about him being a Muslim, we lost the election because we came up with stupidity like “he’s friends with Ayers” when we really needed a competent, conservative candidate to hammer home the distinction between a liberal presidency and a conservative presidency.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6Z5kbNxoE&feature=related
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:02 PM
The President is not a Muslim cons.
We are not at war with 1 billion Muslim people.
Adults are in charge and we will win against the radical extremists.
getalife on April 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Why can’t any of you who think he’s a Muslim focus on the bigger fact that the man has thousands of other problems that we can focus on without sounding like idiots.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
No fight, but I jkust don’t know what there is to be convinced of. His natural father was a muslim, which makes him a muslim by birth. His stepfather was a muslim and he spent the ages of 5-10 growing up in Indonesia, going to school registered as a muslim. That’s a muslim upbringing, plain and simple. I don’t know what his connection to islam was after that, but until age 10, he was immersed in islam. That’s pretty deeply ingrained islamic sentiments.
Actually, not necessarily. If he left islam before he became an adult, then he is not an apostate requiring death (according to muslims). Robert Spencer did an article about this exact situation. But if he left as an adult, then he would be viewed as an apostate by the islamic world … unless they thought he was still a muslim, which seems to be the prevailing thought among muslims, interestingly enough.
As to his Christianity, Trinity is a crypto-Christian cult, at best.
We’ll see what happens. I am not convinced that he is still a muslim, but I think that he thinks like a muslim, as one would expect of anyone who was raised with as much islam as The Precedent experienced.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Sadly, I have to agree with you, at least with the first part.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
And now they have their Rush Limbaugh. But you’re right,that’s what we needed, and still need.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
No, they’re not. “Unnatural love” in itself is a subjective term first of all, and can have no “truth” value whatsoever. Its not that its untrue, it cannot be proven one way or the other.
ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Unnatural Love is what homos participate in….
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
What is Obama going to do? Breeze in for the pagan white house egg roll and call it a day?
Babs
As a Christian, I believe you can have an Easter egg hunt (or dress up for Halloween) without being a pagan or even acknowledging the pagan roots of those activities.
Of course, any snarkiness toward Obama is appreciated and I don’t wish to be overly argumentative with you, Babs.
SKYFOX on April 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Adults are in charge and we will win against the radical extremists.
getalife on April 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
You need to replace “radical extremists” with plain ol’ “muslim”. I stand corrected, how about you?
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I understand your point, but his love of the islamic world is different from that of liberals. He grew up in the islamic world. Liberals love their fantasies of islam.
He advocates these policies for the West. Even Iran and Saudi Arabia would be happy to help the West get abortions and have gay marriage.
Nah. We shied away from that, too. By “we”, I mean the McCain campaign and the GOP leadership. They shied away from everything.
I agree.
Look, John, I’m not saying that The Precedent is a muslim. I don’t think he is still a muslim. But he was raised as a muslim and he thinks like a muslim. Others might be more comfortable calling it a third-world mentality (which would also be accurate) and is how I usually frame it, but we should not fear pointing out his deep relationship with islam. It shaped who he is and does inform quite a bit about what he does.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Please stop saying adults are in charge, and please stop calling people cons. It’s childish. You can make a point without that handle in all your comments can’t you? Thanks.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I’m pretty sure if he used the full ‘conservatives’ would ruin the haiku form of his posts.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Answer? YES, YOU CAN!
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM
I wouldnt go so far as to say (to quote the fellow you’re arguing with) “hussein works for the enemy. He is a full-fledged muslim.” However, you arguing that Obama wanting to abort as many non-Muslim babies as possible is somehow anti-Muslim is a bit ridiculous. I think you can see that. Promoting gay marriage is certainly not going to hurt Muslim fanatics either, since it results in a net drawdown of the non-Muslim population. Finally, he might not work directly for our enemies, but it’s difficult to see how if he were his actions would be much different.
Western_Civ on April 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
He doesn’t have an unnatural love for the Islamic world, he has the same affinities liberals have for them.
I understand your point, but his love of the islamic world is different from that of liberals. He grew up in the islamic world. Liberals love their fantasies of islam.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Oh yeah!!!! Kinda like that David Berg guy huh? Remember him?
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
They’re at war with us. You and your ilk are not adults and surrendering is not winning.
Blake on April 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM
It is Holy Week and a Christian would mention it. I have to laugh about abortion and gay marriage and the Muslim thing.
Abortion and gay anything are perfect causes for Muslims. They both destoy. Give me one life affirming view of Obama’s.
I am all for gay rights and totally and utterly against abortion. But to use those views to prove Obama is not Muslim, doesn’t work, imo.
ORconservative on April 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I just don’t see them viewing abortion as a means of fighting the west.
John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Answer? YES, YOU CAN!
scalleywag
No, she probably can’t. “Cons” is an invective to her, even if it means nothing to us “cons”. It’s like when a black racist calls me a “honkey”, expecting me to be offended and I just laugh.
SKYFOX on April 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Didn’t mean to drag race into this. It’s just an example of how some insults have no punch, they’re just silly.
SKYFOX on April 6, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Will Sasha and Mahlia be given over to the Sultan as an addition to the harem????
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM
lol. I don’t care if the trolls comment, as long as they hit the reset button now and then. Being redundant is dull and tiring.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Ed, that link for the Bush quotes doesn’t work…
Cylor on April 6, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Yea, I’d say “sticks and stones” except, well, that would be childish. And the adults are in charge here.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Obama: “We’re not at war with Islam”
Well, that’s the problem! They sure are at war with us. What’ it’ going to take to get the pol’s attention? We are getting assaulted from on several fronts, including here at home, and no one in power sees it, or worse yet, is willing to acknowledge it. Morons!
GFW on April 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Obama:
We’reI’m not at war with my Islam faith-Uh, I mean my Christian faith.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
I do that all the time,..I confuse my Christian faith with my muslim faith. /
christene on April 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Here’s one for you “cons”. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9OS55b4e8
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Obama has never met a backside he was not willing to kiss.
coldshot on April 6, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I do too, and it’s really embarassing at the Aryan Nation weekly pig roasts.
thomasaur on April 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Forty million plus non-muslim abortions since 1970 (in the US alone). As a result, the West has a non-muslim birthrate a third as fecund (in some countries) as the hiding-in-plain-sight Muslim world. You cannot possibly believe they don’t view abortion as a prime weapon against us.
Western_Civ on April 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
For all who think he wont or cant be overthrown as opposed to voted out, I think should the course he has embarked upon remain unchanged, Overthrown is exactly what will happen.
Viper1 on April 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Another one for getalife…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOdoabbLBcE
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Let Israel kick their asses!!!
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Abortion is absolutely a tactic against the west. Muslim women are not the ones aborting.
Hello.
ORconservative on April 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
OK…this thread has become hilarious. I wonder if ANYONE read Ed’s thread, which basically says:
1. Obama is right
2. Bush said the same thing
3. The media is lame for pretending there’s some big distinction.
HA commentators:
Obama wants to sell us to the muslims or something! *cue wailing, teeth gnashing, screaming and possibly torn hair follicles*
If Obama is merely continuing to frame the issue in the way that Bush did, did everyone here who’s in a tizzy ALSO claim Bush was selling us out to muslims? In foreign policy the man is continuing nearly every Bush policy, what exactly is the problem?
DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM
What is the problem? Other than muslims WANTING TO KILL US? I guess nothing…
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Barbary coast pirates were a convienent early target for the USS Constitution. Just sayin’.
crazy_legs on April 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
LOLOL!
christene on April 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
People were ticked off as all get out about Bush’s idiotic “religion of peace” cr#p.
But what The Precedent is doing is orders of magnitude worse than Bush, just as he is doing with the spending. Orders of magnitude. Bush also empowered the UN, but The Precedent is taking that to a new level, too, with that treasonous sell-out of US sovereignty he just inked with the Eurotards over our financial regulation.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
The problem, IMHO, is that the media thinks it is some novel revelation and some kind of change when Obama makes these statements. Ed was pointing out that this wasn’t anything new, it just wasn’t viewed the same way when Bush said it. Another double standard, if you will.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAUBfi_apE
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM
The Precedent is taking that to a new level, too, with that treasonous sell-out of US sovereignty he just inked with the Eurotards over our financial regulation.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
That’s one way to get us to buy snails for dinner eh?
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Will Sasha and Mahlia be given over to the Sultan as an addition to the harem????
RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM
OH……….MY………GOD!!! YOU HAVE SOME SET OF BALLS ON YOU! IF MICHELLE MY BELLE EVER SAW THAT SHE WOULD USE HER AMAZON SKILLS TO BEAT YOUR ASS. I’M SCARED FOR YOU!
Ghoul aid on April 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM
To weaken America has been a goal of both the left and of Islam for a long time. The tard left thinks it will take the “bully” imperialist tendency away. The commie far left want it weakened for the same reason the Muslims do. To render the west unable to properly defend itself and leave a vacuum to be filled.
Ernesto You appear to only know that Islam is a religion of peace. There is much access to knowing Islam and Allahs mandated activities on the intertubes. Here is one fun fact for you Ernesto! Islam is the only religion to define an 80/20 split on the money in a dead unbelievers pockets after a Muslim murders him. The killer gets 80 % and Allah (or his servants) get 20 % (Qur’an 8:41). That’s why Muslims say Allah is generous and wise.
BL@KBIRD on April 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM
How is this person not banned?
DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM
I’ve thought since the primaries that the worry isn’t that He is a muslim. The worry for me is that his Marxist tendencies make him sympathetic to the islamic world. The Marxists and muslims have been natural allies for 100 years. The poor, oppressed brown man is being victimized by the evil white, Christian, Western world and all that blather.
bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
DeathToMediaHacks on April 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Actually, a lot of us did in fact have issues with the ‘religion of piece’ statements from Bush. One can surely state that we are not at war with the whole islamic world, but anyone who learns about it, knows that these maniacs are the true followers of ol mo.
bikermailman on April 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Yea, that was uncalled for and over the top.
scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
For what?
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Yes, indeed. For what? It’s obviously a rhetorical question with the point being: How far will Obama grovel to appease Islam? Of course, it’s not a realistic proposition, but maybe you have some trouble with discerning reality from satire? It’s those who rush to ban who should perhaps be shunned (note, I didn’t say “banned”).
Western_Civ on April 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Obama: we are not at war with islam
Muslims (followers of islam): we are at war with everyone who disagrees with us/everyone who is not part of islam
Please explain. Does not compute.
So I guess Bambi’s plan will be to simply ignore the threat? Put your head in the sand and hope the problem goes away! Well, that explains the “Hope” part of his campaign.
Now we just need to figure out the “Change” part.
Penguin on April 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Appeasement is the first step to surrender.
We know that liberals aren’t at war with Islam…they’re at war with Christians and Jews.
orlandocajun on April 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I don’t get it why the want to call it “overseas contingency operation”, when it clearly is the American arrogance that creates all the worlds problem.
the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Any future move by the USA in our own interests, whether diplomatic or military, will soon be known by Obama as an “overseas arrogance operation” and will not be tolerated.
tigerlily on April 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM
You’re close.
We aren’t at war with Islam. We aren’t at war with anybody.
War is a state of affairs that exists between nation-states. The closest we came in this struggle was we were close to a state of war with Iraq for about 3 weeks. (I exclude Afghanistan in this analysis because it has been, for many years, a failed state.) Anything after that was our involvement in what can best be described as a 5-way civil war, bordering on a war of all against all.
What we are involved in is a struggle with radical anti-modernist Islam. For us to call it a war is not only to unnecessarily elevate their status to being the equivalent of a nation-state, but needlessly degrades the value of the U.S. as a nation-state, and thus as the sole legitimate purveyor of deadly force on the world stage.
This struggle should be waged on many fronts, using both national and extra-national resources, but we should avoid using terms that are simply not applicable.
JohnGalt23 on April 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM
So, not only are you accusing the POTUS of being a closet Muslim, you are, in rather direct terms, accusing him of out-and-out treason?
Let’s see your evidence of any of this.
Put up, or shut up.
JohnGalt23 on April 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
He is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. There’s no question about that. On the monetary side, he’s holding the banking crisis hostage in order to force through his idiotic social plans, which will bankrupt us. That’s a different sort of treason, but treason, the same. He is trying to unilaterally disarm us. Another one. He is pushing to hurt all of our efforts in fighting the War on Terror, which is now not allowed to be called the War on Terror. Another one. He is going to let dangerous detainees loose on the streets of America. Another one. He signed over a huge part of our sovereignty to the Eurotards with his financial regulation agreement in Europe. Another one. The list goes on and on.
The Founders would have treated him very harshly for any one of these.
I would put the question back at you, can you name anything the idiot messiah’s done that helps the US or furthers US interests?
Frankly, I think he ought to be impeached for those idiotic speeches he gave castigating the US for being arrogant, dismissive, derisive … No President should ever be bad-mouthing the US (especially as it was all a lie, to begin with) on foreign soil. Obviously, this lunatic Congress wouldn’t impeach the moron for anything … but many of them are America-haters, too.
progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I wonder what Robert Spencer would think…………?
Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Fixed that for you.
JohnGalt23 on April 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM
What is racist about, rightly or wrongly, believing Obama is Muslim? Is that you, Frum?
And by the way, we didn’t lose the election because we tried to let people know about Obama’s relationship with Ayers, a domestic terrorist. Most voters didn’t even know who he was on election day, and still don’t.
xblade on April 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Wait- if you can’t argue issues in a secular society based on religious sentiments, does that mean the founders were wrong? Was Washington wrong in his farewell speeches when he invoked the creator? Were the founding documents wrong? Jefferson’s ideals in the Declaration came straight from John Locke, a man whose ideas were overtly religious. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property depending on declaration or constitution/Jefferson or Locke) are the basis of our civil rights, and the founders argued that these were rights given by God which could not be taken away since they came from a power greater than any other.
Most people get their values from religion. Atheists get their values from religious ideas rooted in history but deny that’s where they get them.
You can hardly separate the two. People argue ideas based on their core values. Nearly all of us have core values based on religious sentiments.
TheBlueSite on April 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Again, I’ll mention John Locke’s philosophy. The founders didn’t pull their ideals out of thin air. Their ideas are, for the most part, rooted in Christian philosophy, even though several of them were deists they recognized good ideas when they heard them. Locke’s overtly Christian ideals formed the basis of most of Jefferson’s ideas which resulted in the Declaration of Ind.
TheBlueSite on April 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM
That’s because Obama is at war with America.
Firebird on April 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Mr. Obama, “yes we are”.
Susanboo on April 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM
yes, we are.
pabarge on April 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Si, se estes.
pabarge on April 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM
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