Obama: We’re not at war with Islam

posted at 10:30 am on April 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Expect Barack Obama to get a lot of flack for this statement, but I won’t be one of the critics.  Instead, I’ll focus my criticism on the media that treats it as some sort of sea change for American statesmanship.  We’ll start with Tom Raum of the AP:

Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as president, declared Monday the United States “is not and will never be at war with Islam.”

Calling for a greater partnership with the Islamic world in an address to the Turkish parliament, Obama called the country an important U.S. ally in many areas, including the fight against terrorism. He devoted much of his speech to urging a greater bond between Americans and Muslims, portraying terrorist groups such as al Qaida as extremists who did not represent the vast majority of Muslims.

“Let me say this as clearly as I can,” Obama said. “The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical … in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.”

Here’s the objectionable part:

The U.S. president is trying to mend fences with a Muslim world that felt it had been blamed by America for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Yes, because George Bush spent the last seven years blaming the entire Muslim world for the 9/11 attacks, right?  Right?  Er, no, as this collection of Bush quotes regarding Islam makes excruciatingly clear.  In fact, Bush emphasized friendship with Muslims from the very start of the war:

  • “I’ve made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It’s a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia The Oval Office, Washington, D.C. September 19, 2001
  • “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.”  — Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. September 17, 2001
  • “All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush to the Warsaw Conference on Combating Terrorism November 6, 2001
  • “I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know — that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction.” — Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan The Oval Office, Washington, D.C. September 28, 2001
  • “Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.” –  Remarks by President George W. Bush on U.S. Humanitarian Aid to Afghanistan Presidential Hall, Dwight David Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C. October 11, 2002

And so on; there are plenty of examples to make the point.  Obama spoke in the tradition established by Bush over the last seven-plus years of emphasizing that America did not declare war on Islam.  That’s been obvious through our partnership with Islamic nations, such as Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, just to name a few.  And he’s right; the last thing we would want to do would be to declare war on a billion people just on the basis of their religion.  The more we can keep the Muslims on the sidelines, the better off we are in fighting against the radicals.

However, the AP wants to pretend that this is some new effort by the US to assure Muslims of our intentions.  It decidedly is not, and perhaps a mention that Bush tried making these same assurances for almost his entire presidency would be in order here.

Update: Jules Crittenden declares “Jinx!” and assesses Obama a Coca-Cola on behalf of Bush.


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Is there any question in anyone’s minds NOW that obama is a muslim? Can we overthrow this bastard before we get nuked?

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Well, we’re not at war with Islam the religion. We’re at war with Islamism, the political-military movement.

But you’ll never hear Obama say that.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

History begins when Obama says it does.

Razorsully on April 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Right. I always thought the war was on terrorists, of any denomination really, but mainly those that were Islamic Fundamentalists.

Looks like nothing has changed here.

misslizzi on April 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Hussein makes me sick. First he bows to Abdullah, now this.
He is weak.

PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on April 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Here comes Ed!

ladyingray on April 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

If Obama would say that we’re only at war with the folks that want to kill us, I’d be TICKLED with that.

But clearly, we’re not “at war” with anybody or anything. 9/11 was an “overseas contingency operation” that just happened to take place on American soil.

hawksruleva on April 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Maybe if they weren’t all dancing in the streets burning American Flags and effigies of George Bush we wouldn’t blame Muslims for 9/11. Maybe.

ctmom on April 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

However, the AP wants to pretend that this is some new effort by the US to assure Muslims of our intentions. It decidedly is not, and perhaps a mention that Bush tried making these same assurances for almost his entire presidency would be in order here.

Well , “The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

History begins when Obama says it does.

Razorsully on April 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Let me correct myself. History IS what Obama says it is. My bad.

Razorsully on April 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Remember all those times that Bush declared Islam to be our enemy in the War on Terror?

Me neither, because it didn’t happen.

Stay classy, Obama.

Techie on April 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Evidently, according to the MSM, there were no Presidents before Obama. It is very evident that he has some reverence towards Islam. I hope his naivete does not cost any American lives.

kingsjester on April 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Even when continuing Bush’s policy, Obama/MSM has to pretend that they are breaking with the past.

MarkTheGreat on April 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Isn’t it wonderful that the ONE time of the year when Islam DOESN’T have ‘religious conotations’ that Obama puts the focus on Islam.

Note to the state department. This is the Holiest week in Christianity and Judaism. Why are we talking about Islam? Has Obama even acknowledged Palm Sunday or Passover? He always makes a point to celebrate Muslim holidays.

This guy is no friend to Christianity. . . though he may very well be Christian. He’s only interested in promoting Islam.

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

He is weak.

No, actually he is strongly muslim. He works directly for the enemy. I really despise obama voters. Stupid people, all of them.

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

The Deciders have decided.

KelliD on April 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Thanks for clarifying that TOTUS.

crabtree on April 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I hope his naivete does not cost any American lives.

1. He’s not naive. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
2. Americans will die, unfortunately.

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Obama may not be a Muslim but he is the Muslim’s president.

carbon_footprint on April 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

The Precedent was a muslim from birth and was raised a muslim in a muslim country. Nuff said. He is on the other side.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country,” Obama said.

What exactly has Islam done to shape the world “for the better”? The US?

Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

And by the way. . . whether or not America is at war with Islam, Islam is at war with America.

Unfortunately, it’s up to the Manchurian candidate to fight back on our behalf. That’s not going to happen.

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Even when continuing Bush’s policy, Obama/MSM has to pretend that they are breaking with the past.

MarkTheGreat on April 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

It’s Make-Pretend Change!

misslizzi on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

But clearly, we’re not “at war” with anybody or anything. 9/11 was an “overseas contingency operation” that just happened to take place on American soil.

hawksruleva on April 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

I don’t get it why the want to call it “overseas contingency operation”, when it clearly is the American arrogance that creates all the worlds problem.

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Larry, Curly and Mo, personified.

rplat on April 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Of COURSE we’re not at war with Islam, but we are at war with Muslims.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

What exactly has Islam done to shape the world “for the better”? The US?

Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I don’t know for the better, but let there be no doubt they certainly “shaped” the New York Skyline, didn’t they?

John D on April 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The root problem is that Islam is at war with us. Failure to recognize that is, at a minimum, the essence of stupidity and downright criminal at worst.

sdd on April 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

10% to 15% of muslims probably want to fight to re-establish the caliphate. Another 40 to 50% probably would approve of the caliphate being re-established. If the Islamist succeed in over-throwing a few leaders of countries and move closer to establishing the caliphate, who are we fighting then?

WashJeff on April 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Okay, so I’m not one to believe in conspiracy theories…
but…
Think it may be possible for …say, Russia, China, etc…to infiltrate our schools, producing journalists. Therefore, controlling our media?
lol

I would not be surprised to find it true, but yes, I’m kidding here, for anyone that doesn’t ‘get it’.

bridgetown on April 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM

I don’t know for the better, but let there be no doubt they certainly “shaped” the New York Skyline, didn’t they?

…and downsized thousands of families, leaving many kids parentless.

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM

JOHN adds: Obama’s constant criticism of his predecessor is doubly reprehensible because it is false. Thus, in his Strasbourg speech Obama said:

I don’t believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure. When we saw what happened in Abu Ghraib, that wasn’t good for our security — that was a recruitment tool for terrorism. Humiliating people is never a good strategy to battle terrorism.

Obama thus repeats the slander that the pointless abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib by a handful of low-life Army Reservists was part of President Bush’s “strategy to battle terrorism.” This is an absurdity. The Reservists in question violated every known policy, which is why they went to jail when their crimes were discovered. For Obama to defame his own country in this way is contemptible.

Another bit of intellectual dishonesty and Bush-bashing from Obama in Europe, courtesy of Powerline.

Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

It’s a war he inherited.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Yes, the US is not at war with Islam…

Because Barry already surrendered.

Romeo13 on April 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I wonder if Obama ever even entertained the notion of calling Turkey out on the persecution of Christians in their country. All this embracing of Islam without a word about what minority Christians endure in every Muslim majority nation.
It’s sickening.

CarolynM on April 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Obama has more harsh words for Fox News, Rush and the NRA than he’ll ever have for Islam.

lorien1973 on April 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

What exactly has Islam done to shape the world “for the better”?
Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Well, they did get rid of those nasty Parthians.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Obama’s not at war with Islam but he is certainly at war with American liberty. He and Islam seem to have that, at least, in common…

RandyChandler on April 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Well, we’re not at war with Islam the religion. We’re at war with Islamism, the political-military movement.

flipflop on April 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

This is precisely correct.

And don’t count on Obama speak precisely about it, because a) he appears not to believe in fighting wars, and b) he loves his euphemistic approach to everything that needs saying far too much.

Edouard on April 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

We were told as students in the 70s that our freedoms as Americans were allways in jeapordy. We were to busy smoking pot, and saying so what. Now I’m sitting here at 50 seeing the dismanteling of our constution and Judao-Christian values. And obama has half the country backing him.

Alex Martinez on April 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Presidouche Barry Hussein bends for Islamonazi friends.

Here’s the inside Axelrod translation:

The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. [However, we do have some arrogant, dismissive and derisive people still hanging around who unfairly target Islam. Don't worry, I'm going to put them in a toothy charm offensive headlock with the help of UN child rapists]

In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical [heh, heh. Critical to imposing a Shari'a sh*tquake upon the kaffir whiteys--Thanks for that one, Michelle.]

We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better [Hey, you think banging your head on concrete five times a day comes naturally? We gave the world that smokin move. And honor killing? Us again. You're welcome.]

Turkey is a critical strategic partner of the United States [I mean, as long as we don't need to base any operations there which combat terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or anywhere on planet Earth, in-shalla. Oops!, did I say terrorism? I meant "peaceful-but maybe-a-little-bit-mean" behavoir.]

Western_Civ on April 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

We may not be at war with Islam, but some of their adherents are at war with us.
Perhaps the Messiah could address that at some point?

by the by, where is the messiah going to be going to church for Easter this upcoming weekend? Or is he just going to stay at home and worship himself as usual?

mjk on April 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

The AP was to busy trying to make Bush out to be another Hitler.To have reported that Bush made this distinction many times would have shown Bush as understanding the problems of fighting the Jihad which leftest can’t have.

It goes to the same meme that Bush had always stated that bringing peace and setting up a stable democratic government in Iraq/Afghanistan was going to be a long fight (yes he stated this plainly under the mission accomplished banner for those that chose to listen to what he actually said instead of looking for opportunities to smear him).

Leftist continually blabbed “you said the war was going to be easy” because one official stated this or because they twisted the difference between bringing down Saddam’s army(which was done quickly) to stabilizing the country.

Bush never stated the War on Terror was going to be easy.

But liberals have a long history of hypocrisy when it comes to making “moral and ethical stands”.

look at (D) Murtha’s words concerning one of his pork buddies that is being investigated:

Ex-Pittsburgher in middle of earmark scandal
Prosecutors investigating Paul Magliocchetti’s contributions through his lobbying firm, ties to congressmen

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09095/960673-84.stm

(via Instapundit)

“It seems to me in our system, even Magliocchetti is innocent until he’s proven guilty,” said Rep. John P. Murtha, D-Johnstown.

This coming from the idiot liberal that held a press conference to proclaim many of our Marines as “cold blooded
killers” concerning the killings at Haditha(Where all have been exonerated except one and he is not being tried for “cold blooded murder).

“Hope and Change”my a$$!!!

As for the ‘no war against Islam”.

We have been working side by side with muslims for years in the War on Terror.
Petraeus/Odierno COIN strategies specifically call for this partnership in having any chance of success.

It was called the “Awakening” Obama,you know,made successful by the “Surge” you stated would make things worse in Iraq but instead brought victory.

But if our Paparazzi President actually knew what the he!! was going on in the War on Terror instead of chasing poll numbers and changing the names of Bush’s policies so that he can try and call them his own,he would have known this now wouldn’t he.

Baxter Greene on April 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

“we’re not at war with islam”

well, that’s that.

here’s more:
- unemployment isn’t over 8%
- Americans didn’t lose over $12 trillion dollars recently
- the auto industry and banking industry are not failing
- everyone on welfare wants to work hard. They are unlucky
- Europe defeated the Nazis by themselves
- Europe defeated the Communists by themselves
- President Obama’s budget is fiscally responsible
- The stimulus is working great and is highly cost-effective
- President Obama is STONGLY pro-business
- 9/11 didn’t happen
- Musims like us now that George Bush has been deposed
- Government should be much bigger. It is your best friend.

there, now you have the truth and nothing but the truth.

notagool on April 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Obama is at war with capitalism, success, and the wealth that accompanies both.

He be lookin out for da bruthas and da comrades.

fogw on April 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

It’s a war he inherited.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

…and one that several more presidents are likely to inherit before we can even think about it being over. The problem with this president is that he doesn’t even recognize it as a war, multiplying the difficulty of dealing with it in the future.

sdd on April 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Every American President for the next century or beyond will have to make this same declaration. Radical muslim families are telling their 3-year olds how horrible the West is and promoting the virtues of suicide bombings.

Bush’s words were backed up with action. Obama just has words which leaves us vulnerable.

sherry on April 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

It’s Make-Pretend Change!

misslizzi on April 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Change we can make-believe in.

KelliD on April 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

notagool on April 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

ROFLMAO!

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM

A pacifist may claim he will never be at war with anyone, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t bad actors who may desire to be at war with him. A country may decide not to be at war with another country or ideology, but that doesn’t mean the other country or ideology isn’t at war. Obama may believe that there is ‘mutual respect’ between islam and the west, but any true muslim cannot have any respect let alone mutual respect for people they consider infidels (read non muslim westerners), and for them to give such respect would be blasphemy. When one is an infidel and in relations with the muslim world, the only respect turns upon strength or weakness, if the muslim world believes you to be weak, you will be overrun, if you are strong, they will negotiate hudnas, temporary truces until the muslim side is strong enough to defeat the infidels. Barry knows this to be true because he was schooled in islam when he was a child, and for him to pretend otherwise is more fantasy that will cause major problems down the road.
As for what modern (or should I say pre-modern) or current islam (wahabbist) brings to western countries of value, I would love to hear Mr. Obama expound upon? Is it the refusal to permit germicidal agents, because they are made of alcohol (not drinkable kind) agents? Is it the cliteridectomies inflicted on newborn girls? Is it the burqa and other fashion statements? Is it arranged marriages between 40 year olds and prepubescent females?
Is it honor killings and the wholesale perversion of actual honor? Is it lashings and beheadings and amputations as ‘just’ and ‘divinely ordained’ punishments for criminality?
Is it the carbques that are endemic in areas of Europe controlled by muslims? Is it religiously approved rape of non muslim women (‘meat’), because of their ‘lack of modesty’? Is it the scores of nobel prizes won by muslims in all walks of life during the past century that makes muslims such an invaluable part of every society they enter?
Is it the teachings of love and peace in the Quran, that put the New Testament to shame, that is a contribution to western society? Is it the muslim riots over cartoons and paintings and novels and skeptical inquiry into Islam that has been such a boom to western culture?
Inquiring minds want to know.

eaglewingz08 on April 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Obama got elected running against George W Bush. Why would he change his rhetoric now? Obama is still in Campaign mode why? He is a Campaigner it’s what he does, well that and voting present. The Master of Lowered Expectations, he basically prostrated himself to the Europeans, and literally to the Saudis. What did he bring back for America from the G20 summit for his abasement “Doughnuts” Zero, Zilch, Nada. The First Global President, really worried more about Appearances ( Progressive Spin) then Substance, who would have guessed? Answer: The 46 Million Americans that didn’t vote for him:)

Dr Evil on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I agree. There’s no change from Bush’s statements. There is change in the approach.

AnninCA on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

What a great few days we have been treated to, huh? First THE BOW to the Saudi King, then apologizing for us arrogant Americans and now this lovey dovey with islam crap.

I can’t believe how much things have turned for the worse.

John D on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

ED…..How does a Muslim become a radical Muslim? Heh….

BL@KBIRD on April 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

This guy is no friend to Christianity. . . though he may very well be Christian. He’s only interested in promoting Islam.

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

It’s this hypocritical ideology of political expediency that gives Christians a bad name. Obama’s stance on abortion by convenience is a slap in the face of Christianity and Christian doctrine.

Rovin on April 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

BTW, is it the nearly thirteen thousand terrorist incidents caused by islamists in the past eight years throughout the world, that are a positive contribution of muslims to societies throughout the world?
I wonder what TOTUS would say?

eaglewingz08 on April 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

“is not and will never be at war with Islam.”

course not…we are too busy with our war on poverty

alexraye on April 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Are Marines radical Americans?

BL@KBIRD on April 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I hear all the time that only “1-2%” of Muslims exhibit dangerously radical tendencies. Even accepting that low number (after all, how many more are avowed Wahhabists or the like?), we’re still dealing with 10-20 million extremists who will stop at nothing to murder every single American.

This is why abasing ourselves before them amplifies their bloodthirst. It’s sad…most Americans spit in the face of radical Islam and say “Molon Labe.” Our spineless leaders say, “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

Flyover Country on April 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I had an issue with Obama stating:

Dork B. on April 6, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I have no desire to convert to islam or live under their stupid rules. I detest seeing woman walking around in bags. So, yeah, I’m at war with islam – their religion and culture.

Blake on April 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

ya know, i guess it’s gonna take something horrible to happen here again for people to wake up and get their heads out of their a–holes. i cannot explain to you how sickened i am by all of this pansy “let’s all just get along” mentality.

Ghoul aid on April 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Obama’s stance on abortion by convenience is a slap in the face of Christianity and Christian doctrine.

Rovin on April 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Whether or not Christianity is for or against abortion (Islam is against abortion too) is not relevant for our secular society. People don’t need to hear religion when they hear abortion.

People need to hear that abortion is murder. Not according to the Bible or any other religion. Abortion is murder because it ends an otherwise healthy and developing life. If murder is illegal, then so should abortion. You can not argue against abortion in a secular society using religious sentiments.

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Change we can make-believe in.

KelliD on April 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

+100 – Nice!

misslizzi on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

War with a religion of billions isn’t exactly advisable policy. As much as you all bear a seething hatred for Islam and its more fanatical proponents, to express that hatred in policy simply does more harm than good.

And with that, I’ll reiterate that fighting for one religion against another is one of the most useless endeavors man can undergo. We need to be colonizing space and uploading consciousness…not fighting ‘wars’ against religions.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Ghoul aid on April 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Oh, come on. Just think about how great it will be when the whole world joins hands and we all skip gleefully up Candy Mountain! That is if we don’t hit an IED along the way.

John D on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I have no desire to convert to islam or live under their stupid rules. I detest seeing woman walking around in bags. So, yeah, I’m at war with islam – their religion and culture.

Blake on April 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

come on blake, you know you will love seeing these women this summer in 90 degree + weather wrapped from head to toe smelling like a rose garden.

Ghoul aid on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Why not just say we are at war with:

1. The people who hijacked three (3) commercial airliners (loaded with people) then proceeded to crash those airliners into the World Trade Center and killing 3,000+ Americans.
2. Continue to call for the destruction of “The Great Satan” (i.e. US) while simultaneously lobbing unguided missiles into Israel (the “Little Satan”).
3. Demand conversion to their religion at the point of a gun, cease our liberties and transform our laws to their 7th Century code of justice.
4. Generally want the United States to cease existance.

Did I miss anything?

SeniorD on April 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Tom Raum? That old BDSer fossil is still alive?

Well, good for you, Tom.

A Balrog of Morgoth on April 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Fine. Let’s stop the war against Christianity first. Have you seen this edition of Newsweek?

The majority of Terrorists in this world are Islamo-Fascists. That’s a fact. If Islam wants to be seen as a religion of peace, then their leaders need to make a stand against Global terrorism.

kingsjester on April 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM

It is probably true that Obama is not at war with Islam; he’s too busy at war with Christianity!

IntheNet on April 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Oops, let’s try that again:

I had an issue with Obabma when he said:

“America’s relationship with the Muslim world cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaida,” the president said. “We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect.”

I think with what’s going on in the Muslim world right now, our relationship with them should absolutely hinge on their tolerance and cooperation with Al Qaida, Hamas, Iran, etc. And how they interact with Israel.
Of course our relationship is “based” on oil…but the whole Jihadi Terrorist thing is more than just a peripheral issue. At least to me, but then again, what do I know? I still believe in the War on Terror.

Dork B. on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

And with that, I’ll reiterate that fighting for one religion against another is one of the most useless endeavors man can undergo. We need to be colonizing space and uploading consciousness…not fighting ‘wars’ against religions.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Well ,if that religion tries to pick a fight with you , do you back off?

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

His rhetoric is wearing thin. I like how the Guardian columnist put it in one of your earlier links…the guy needs to go home already.

scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The issue here is Obama PRAISING Islam. I’m not saying he should bash Islam. But that was my same argument with how the pope treated the king (fortunately the pope didn’t bow). The pope went OUT OF HIS WAY to say what a wonderful religion Islam is.

When a religion puts someone who became powerful through warring, killing, raping, and stealing as the most ideal human ever on earth, then that religion is going to have problems.

Jesus died on a cross when he did nothing wrong. He told his followers NOT to fight. He predicted that they would disown him and betray him. . . without demanding their heads or retribution. Jesus said of his executioners ‘Father Forgive them for they know not what they do’. THAT is a peaceful foundation for a religion.

Again, I don’t expect him to bash Islam, but the excessive praise is wholly unnecessary. I can’t remember a time when they praised Christianity for ‘doing great things for society’. I’d rather he tell them what an AWESOME DUDE Jesus is. I’ve never heard a state department official say ‘you know that Jesus guy, He is one heckuva guy’.

Obama said it about Lincoln.

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

ThackerAgency on April 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I agree…not a word about the Holy Week. His trip was all about sucking up to foreigners, apologizing for our arrogance, bowing to a Saudi king, insulting the US and sucking up to Islam.

He says we are not a nation of Christians…we are a nation of citizens. ugh

becki51758 on April 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

God does not hear Islam’s prayers….

RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

a religion hasnt picked a fight with us. fanatics have picked a fight with us. mind you there have been fanatics that have claimed different ideologies that have picked a fight with us before. the anarchists managed to assassinate a US president and european royalty. we’re not exactly “at war” with those punks in the UK shouting for anarchy…are we?

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM

By his deeds we will know him.

thomasaur on April 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Well ,if that religion tries to pick a fight with you , do you back off?

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Good point, and the answer is “hell no”. When they stop trying to kill us maybe we’ll think about “colonizing space”.

rplat on April 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM

We are a nation based on Christian values. Period.

becki51758 on April 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Ain’t it great to be led by a cowardly appeaser? The politicians can stick it…. we are at war. We are at war with a radical religion (cult) and terrorists bent on destroying us, our families, and our way of life. There are no moderates, just sleepers yet to be awakened to their own personal jihadi tendencies. Be gentle as lambs, but wise as serpents. We need to watch our manchurian candidate very closely now.

HomeoftheBrave on April 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM

We need to be colonizing space and uploading consciousness…not fighting ‘wars’ against religions.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Can I have some of what you’re smoking? The stash that Carl Sagan left me ran out years ago.

Del Dolemonte on April 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Appeasers usually are not at war with anybody except good-natured taxpaying American citizens…

RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Can I have some of what you’re smoking? The stash that Carl Sagan left me ran out years ago.

Del Dolemonte on April 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM

ummm unless you’re in NY i dont think UPS will let it through…this stuff stinks to high hell it’ll be way too obvious :)

and quite honestly, if more people thought about the world and human endeavor like Carl Sagan did, we’d all be better off.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM

People often pee their pants at the thought of being at war with one and a half billion muslims. Who would arm, feed and train these twats to the point where they would constitute a serious military threat? Iraq was about as good as muslims get at fighting like men. They prefer power drills, back alleys and hiding behind their motherinlaws sorry fat a$$.

They are on a roll, they sense blood in the water. They will never shut up and they will never go away. Their “radicals” (soldiers) will always murder where they can.

But I suspect it will take an irradiated Boston or a nuked Paris to bring the willfully ignorant to a point of respecting islam as a serious danger.

BL@KBIRD on April 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

and quite honestly, if more people thought about the world and human endeavor like Carl Sagan did, we’d all be better off.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Actually we would only be easier targets for the people who would rather kill us.

thomasaur on April 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

The picture looks like a bunch of fratboys at a wet tee-shirt contest.

Caption – Hahahaha We just screwed the US. Thanks Barry…Hahahahaha. What a tool!!!!

Kuffar on April 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM

thomasaur on April 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

thats right thom, stay vigilant. progress as a race is impossibe…a culture more focused on furthering mankind is in no way preferable to one in which war with billions is the goal. how could i have erred from such truth?

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM

What is not being said, no longer being said, and pushed to the background time and again….Islam is at war with the West.

Last time I checked…the United States, Canada, Europe…that is pretty much “The West” in political and historical context.

We can call it a temporary overseas contingency…we can call it selling balloons to little kids. Hell, we can call it whatever we want to call it.

But the fact remains…Fundamentalist Islam, Wahabi Islam, the Islamic jihadists, Islamofacism is at war with us.

What Obama, and his ilk…nice word…ilk…fail to recognize is that being strong and united against Islam has historically been a winning strategy over centuries. Being weak, trying appeasement, accommodation, serves Islam, radical Islam, Fundamentalist Islam, the jihadists much much more than it serves us…and the West.

Strong horse…weak horse.

They have laid out their plans and intentions…clearly.

We once did, lay out our plans and intentions…way way back in ancient history…prior to November 2008.

Today?

“Salaam Alaykum, y’all.” Get used to it.

coldwarrior on April 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Appeasers unite against Americans!!!

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff306.htm

RealDemocrat on April 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM

His rhetoric is wearing thin. I like how the Guardian columnist put it in one of your earlier links…the guy needs to go home already.

I know! I recall all many Brit columnists reveling in the messiah’s sheer awesomeness before the election, telling Americans we just had to elect this guy or else; and if we didn’t, we were just plain stupid.

Oh, the irony!

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM

a religion hasnt picked a fight with us. fanatics have picked a fight with us. mind you there have been fanatics that have claimed different ideologies that have picked a fight with us before. the anarchists managed to assassinate a US president and european royalty. we’re not exactly “at war” with those punks in the UK shouting for anarchy…are we?

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM

The problem with your argument is that the fanatics that have picked a fight with us are all adherents of the same religion. In addition, it was the religion that made them fanatics in the first place. Anarchists did not assasinate a US president. One anarchist did and that was over 100 years ago. The anarchists in the UK, just to mention the top four, have not bombed a US embassy, attacked a US naval vessel, flown hijacked passenger planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or killed American military personnel at Khobar Towers. What was your point again?

sdd on April 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM

We need to be colonizing space [ ... ] …not fighting ‘wars’ against religions.

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I agree 1000%. Colonizing space should be our top priority. But the islamic world is trying to drag us back into the 7th century, which puts our colonization of space at risk. For that, we need to hit them quickly and mercilessly so that we can get on with the task of advancing Man. Islam is the greatest threat to Man’s advancement … except for the moron in the White House, who is single-handedly trying to make sure that the US is never productive enough to push the world forward as we have been doing up until The Precedent was set.

The biggest threats to our colonization of space are islam and The Precedent. They are both retrograde forces.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM

The arrogance of this guy is truly stunning. It would be nice if, instead of just trotting around the globe spouting this kind of garbage and extending a hand where none is welcome,(see Hilary and the Taliban) our dear leader would actually sit down with some scholars who are experts in the field of terrorism and the root causes and try and get some real understanding of the issue before he makes an ass out of you and me by apologizing for our supposed behavior and trying to appease those who want to kill us. What’s next, is he going to Iran and bow to the madman who supports three of the most vile terrorist organizations on the planet, a regime who hangs people in the slowest manner possible and stones people to death?

scalleywag on April 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM

If you know how you become a muslem and how you stop being a muslem, then you know BHO is in fact a muslem.

And if you look at the ultimate goal of islam, the worldwide imposition of sharia law, the major obstacle for that is a powerful USA. Looking at BHO’s policies, it’s more than clear they are designed to weaken and split America.

Coincidence? I think not.

Rebar on April 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM

then what are we doing on the internet, theres muslims to kill!

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM

ernesto on April 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM

No. It’s not religious fanatics.

Islam is not just a religion, I don’t know if people choose to ignore that fact or if they just feign ignorance.

Islam is the religion and the state. There is no seperation of church and state in Islamic countries.

Obviously these countries won’t openly wage war, because they will be bombed off the face of the planet.

They use the terrorists to do their dirty work, and most of the west is dumb enough to fall for it.

The fund terrorists, they support terrorists, they harbor terrorists, the so called moderates support them (yes, some out of fear, but it still counts) – then send out PR people to spin for them. The libs and MSM east that crap up, and that’s where we are today.

Infuriating.

reaganaut on April 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Is there any question in anyone’s minds NOW that obama is a muslim? Can we overthrow this bastard before we get nuked?

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Are you kidding me? What the hell is wrong with you?

He’s not Muslim, we’re not going to overthrow him, we’re going to kick him out of office next election. We have a process for doing things, and we need to follow that process or we turn into the liberals.

John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM

And if you look at the ultimate goal of islam, the worldwide imposition of sharia law, the major obstacle for that is a powerful USA. Looking at BHO’s policies, it’s more than clear they are designed to weaken and split America.

hussein works for the enemy. He is a full-fledged muslim, I’m convinced of it. I’m just amazed that a majority of Americans still don’t see this.

ErinF on April 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM

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