NYT: This diplomacy dance with Iran isn’t really working out, is it?

posted at 6:49 pm on April 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

They’ve got a crazy hunch that Iran’s just jerking us around to buy time. The obvious solution: More diplomacy.

After 30 years of mutual isolation, we fully support Mr. Obama’s constructive tone and efforts to engage the mullah-led government. But we wonder whether this incremental, seemingly ad hoc approach is best…

The difference [with Bush] is that Mr. Obama is making a serious effort to find common ground with Iran on Afghanistan and Iraq and to dispel the Bush-era threat of regime change. The administration’s decision to invite Iran to the Afghanistan conference was a smart one. It was encouraging that Iran offered to help combat the Afghan drug trade. It would have been even better if it had also promised to stop aiding the Taliban…

Iran has elections this June, and there may be an argument for waiting to see how they play out. But we suspect that subtle and tentative approaches are not going to change much in Tehran.

Mr. Obama will soon have to decide whether to go for a potentially game-changing gesture — like offering to open an interests section or sending his secretary of state to Tehran. That could force Iran’s leaders to make a choice — and leave no doubt in Iranians’ or anyone else’s minds about what it is.

Sending Madeleine Albright to Pyongyang sure “changed the game” in North Korea, didn’t it? In fact, a Hillary visit to Tehran would probably accomplish less than Albright’s visit did for the simple reason that Iran doesn’t seem to crave U.S. recognition as an imprimatur of legitimacy to the extent NK always has. For Kim Jong-Il, having the Americans come to town and implicitly endorse his hermit state was arguably as much of a boost to the country’s prestige as having nukes was. For Khamenei, who commands a regional power, an oil weapon, and proxies in Iraq and Lebanon, owning the first Islamic nuclear weapon in the Middle East is much more prestigious, especially given the amount of nationalist propaganda they’ve poured into it. It’s easy to imagine Clinton being received cordially, promised cooperation on Iraq and Afghanistan in return for lifting the UN sanctions, and being told that nuclear issues are absolutely off the table. In which case the mullahs get their U.S. photo op and keep their trump card. Win/win for them.

Left open in the last paragraph of that blockquote, of course, is what happens if Iran chooses to continue enrichment. What does the Times imagine will happen if they “leave no doubt” in the world’s mind that they intend to press on with nuclearization? More sanctions? That depends on Russia and China, in which case, good luck. A military attack? The One will never go for it; it’s Netanyahu or nothing. In fact, in all my posts about Iran, I don’t think I’ve ever asked what we expect to happen if the diplomacy dance continues until Iran finally announces it has a working nuclear weapon. What’s the punishment going to be in that case? I’d hope that at the very least Obama would refuse to negotiate with them for the remainder of his presidency, but I have a hunch — and I’ll bet Iran does too — that, if anything, he’d be even more anxious to talk at that point to convince them to put down their nuclear scimitar. Which is to say, if Iran really does value a visit from Hillary for its own prestige, why not press on towards the Bomb and then demand she come to town?

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If Reagan can fire air controllers and put a bomb in
Qadaffi’s bedroom why is it so difficult for Ed and
Allah to do the nasty to the lowlife trolls at HA?

Baracuda 2012…warts and all

LankyLou on April 6, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Well knock me over with a f*cking feather.

BadgerHawk on April 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM

They want to see some of Hillary’s “smart diplomacy”? Good luck with that.

Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM

For Kim Jong-Il, having the Americans come to town and implicitly endorse his hermit state was arguably as much of a boost to the country’s prestige as having nukes was.

“Hermit state.” Heh.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Wow. You mean what we said for the past five years was right? Holy crap!

John_Locke on April 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Why the hell do you think Obama picked Hillary as SOS instead of VP??

Because he knew that with Iran he would have to tap dance around the hard choices. Iran will never take Hillary seriously because she is a woman. Obama being the closet Muslim that he is – knows this. So he can blame anything on Iran and then not have to do anything about it. Sort of like he did with the NK missle launch. A good parent knows that kids will always try to get away with stuff unless a harsh punishment is dealt out. Obama seems like the wishy washy parent type.

izoneguy on April 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Looked up “appeasement” in the dictionary, did you, Keller? Picture of Chamberlain waving a piece of paper?

Wethal on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

If the bloviating doesn’t work and Iran gets its bomb, we will just have to accept them as part of the nuclear-weapons family and as an agent for peace and stability in the region.

Bishop on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

How come when Allah posts something annoying, people pour it on, but when he talks awesome common-sense stuff like this, nobody mentions anything?
Allahpundit Derangement Syndrome?

Posts like these, by the way, are why I keep coming back.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Obama has already trashed the country and sold us out to the rest of the world . . . why not Iran?

rplat on April 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM

That could force Iran’s leaders to make a choice — and leave no doubt in Iranians’ or anyone else’s minds about what it is.

Meaning we need to give them more carrots. Ad infinitum. Ad libitum. Maybe at some point the left will realize that it wasn’t Bush’s fault?

The mullahs clearly believe that the incentives/rewards for Iran in acquiring a nuclear weapon far outweigh any rewards the US can offer them.

They want to intimidate the smaller states, dominate the region and drive the US out of the Gulf.

Rapprochement with the US ends all of those goals and completely undermines whatever legitimacy – i.e., defeating the Great Satan – the revolutionary government has for maintaining power.

SteveMG on April 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM

In fact, in all my posts about Iran, I don’t think I’ve ever asked what we expect to happen if the diplomacy dance continues until Iran finally announces it has a working nuclear weapon. What’s the punishment going to be in that case?

I assume we’ll find out after the bombers are already on their way back to Israel. Because even if the US Administration has no balls, Israel DOES.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I know, right?

Ain’t it annoying?

blatantblue on April 6, 2009 at 7:00 PM

The real question is, how long will Israel let Obama dance his little samba?

Tuari on April 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

How come when Allah posts something annoying, people pour it on, but when he talks awesome common-sense stuff like this, nobody mentions anything?
Allahpundit Derangement Syndrome?

Posts like these, by the way, are why I keep coming back.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Maybe he says it so well that there is nothing to add?

Ummmm. I agree.

petunia on April 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Our president made nicey with Iran. No more nukes. The world is saved.
-getalife.

Heh.

fogw on April 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

average HA poster:
“omg allah ur such a liberal! idk why i even come to this site! its ridicaluz! closet liberal! you just do this for hits on ur site!”

day later

thinks:
“oh..this post is pretty good. but i wont comment that.”

blatantblue on April 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM

fogw on April 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM

+1,000

blatantblue on April 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM

In which case the mullahs get their U.S. photo op and keep their trump card. Win/win for them.

Why would the Mulluahs want a US photo op? They have spent 30 years convincing their people and their subsidized groups that America is the Great Satan? Why on earth would they want a photo op with us? Unless it was a photo of the US president bowing the Mullahs and admiting utter capitualation to Islam.

Iran is on a whole different plane than North Korea as far as wants and desires go.

myrenovations on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Hey Obama voting Jews, hows that “hang israel out to dry” thing working out for ya. Schmucks.

marklmail on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

blatantblue on April 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Yeah, that sounds about right.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
‘Cause your friends don’t dance and if they don’t dance
Well they’re no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can dance

portlandon on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Barrack “the naive one” Obama has dashboard ornament written all over him.

tarpon on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

North Korea: We have rockets
Iran: We have Nuclear fissile material
North Korea: Wanna talk busi-ness?

dglenn on April 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Anyone else here attend the Epicenter ’09 Conference this past weekend in San Diego?

It was beyond interesting, of course, but preaching to the choir I’m afraid. Just your standard bunch of crazy Christian conservatives listening to experts discuss how Iran is trying to summon end times and typical appeasement politics will not hasten their desire. You know…

selias on April 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

“Smart Power” = Grovel, Apologize, and Capitulate.

AZCoyote on April 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM

The real question is, how long will Israel let Obama dance his little samba?

Tuari on April 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Great question:
Does Obama want to look like the wimp that he is? If Israel, and they will if we don’t, attacks will Obama then defend Israel, against the people who he said he would never fight?
If Russian moves in with some military, do we?
The number of missteps, are adding up to a total disaster.

right2bright on April 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM

I wonder if the NYT has started to realize that its bias, its obvious liberal bias, it being totally in the tank and aggressively attacking McCain Palin for Obama has turned readers away and that is why now they are trying to write less biased stories. I think it’s too late…

CCRWM on April 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

The next time Obama bows before one of these yahoos he shouldn’t act terribly surprised if he’s greeted by an unzipping sound.

But then they’d still build their nukes.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on April 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Mr. Obama will soon have to decide whether to go for a potentially game-changing gesture — like offering to open an interests section or sending his secretary of state to Tehran. That could force Iran’s leaders to make a choice — and leave no doubt in Iranians’ or anyone else’s minds about what it is.

The Times still doesn’t get it. Other nations’ foreign policy is not simply a reaction to US foreign policy.

rbj on April 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Think the Bamster is just figuring that if he stalls long enough, Israel will have to act. And act they will! Then Europe, the UN and Obama can (along with every Muslim country) denounce Israel for their “agressive, dangerous, provoking behavior.” Glad that Bibi is in charge there. Don’t think it will phase him. At least one country in the world has a leader.

Christian Conservative on April 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Barrack “the naive one” Obama has dashboard ornament written all over him.

tarpon on April 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

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Ther you go.

thomasaur on April 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

why not press on towards the Bomb and then demand she come to town?

what are the iranians going to if they have a bomb, but don’t have a target? knowing the way all muslims feel about jerusalem, do you find it plausible that iranians would drop the big boy on it? they could hit london, maybe, but what would be the point?

they could sell the stuff to terrorists, but isn’t north korea, a dirt poor country, more likely to do that? hasn’t that stuff been around on the black market since 1991 anyway? i think a bomb without a target is a bluff even if they actually have it.

December, 2006: “I want to tell [Western counties] that just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and does not exist anymore, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out and humanity will be free.”

nuance.

sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

North Korea: We have rockets
Iran: We have Nuclear fissile material
North Korea: Wanna talk busi-ness?

dglenn on April 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

SAudi Arabia: cash we’ve got
Syria: we need sponsors

runner on April 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Left open in the last paragraph of that blockquote, of course, is what happens if Iran chooses to continue enrichment.

Obama will mesmerize A-jad and Kim with his oratory into aiming and firing their warheads at each other, and thus destroy both rogue states.

PattyJ on April 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Well, the neocon warmongering failed so its the President’s turn.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Presidente Pinnochio speechifies on US and Russia reducing nukes, dreams of a nuke free world as the Iranians press on full speed ahead on developement of their own and North Koreans fire a test delivery vehicle virtually over Urkels speechifying head.

I can almost envision a NK missle flying by in the background as the Jugearred, US dictator wanna be, speechifies to the brain dead masses in his best Baghdad Bob fashion:

“We will abandon our defenses as we have nothing to fear from our “Good Friends” in Iran and NK. They are only mad at us because of the evil George Booosh. Once they see we mean no harm and catch the same Hopey, Changey Fevah the American MediaObots have there will be worldwide Piece and Love and Monkeys flying out Hillarys’ ample ass.”

Ooops teleprompter malfunction there at the end.

dhunter on April 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

sesquipedalian:

If the Iranians do not want to destroy Jerusalem and Israel, then perhaps they should stop constantly threatening to destroy Israel. It is not as if the Israelis and a bunch of neo cons just made up this stuff. For decades now these people have been plotting and planning and screaming Death to whoever they hate.

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

If Israel drops a dime on the Iranian nukes, we could have occasion to abandon them as allies.

ConstantSorrow on April 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

getalife:

The neocon war mongering? How utterly predictable you are. For years I listened to morons like Seymor Hersch swear that neo cons were going to attack Iran. Well, have they? Last time I looked Tehran is still there. Just think if Obama’s mentor Jimmy Carter had dealt with these mullahs 30 years ago, we would not have this problem today. And so far I don’t see this president dealing with anything. He is too busy groveling.

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

So Iran gets the bomb and then says, I will only disarm if the US forces Israel to dismantle its nuclear reactor and its bombs under joint US Iran supervision.
Your move Obama.

eaglewingz08 on April 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

My understanding is that it will be very hard for Israel to act without US complicity, since the attack routes will have to cross Iraq, and some of the weapons they need would have to come from the US. US permission is not likely to be forthcoming, so those of you waiting for an Israeli deus ex machina to remove the problem will probably be disappointed.

What comes after Iran gets nukes? Certainly, there will be no punishment. After all, Iran would have nukes, so it would not be safe to punish them. And no need to keep up sanctions, because Iran has nukes, and the point of sanctions was to keep them from getting nukes.

I suspect there will be strong words from the White House, mild words from State (along the lines of “Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons is not helpful to the Mid-East peace process”), silence from the Europeans, congratulations from Muslim countries, and a UN resolution condemning Israel. Withing six months of Iran getting nukes, only the United States will have sanctions in place against Iran.

dirc on April 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I don’t see Obama visiting Israel in the near future.

He maybe be stupid, but he’s not willing to be there on Iran Gets The Bomb and Tests It on Tel Aviv For Fun Day.

Just as three year olds shouldn’t be allowed to play with loaded revolvers, ayatollahs must be kept from playing with the weaponry of the Apocalypse.

Obama is just one more ambulatory delaying tactic to allow the Iranians to gain a working nuke.

A vapid uber-dork, enamored of his own vacuous b.s.

profitsbeard on April 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

It is called warmongering not war silly. It didn’t work and political rhetoric from both sides.

After Japan, countries are not suicidal.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

If the Iranians do not want to destroy Jerusalem and Israel, then perhaps they should stop constantly threatening to destroy Israel.

BREAKING: people don’t always say what they really mean.

sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Well, the neocon warmongering failed so its the President’s turn.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

When did we go to war with Iran? Must have happened in your parallel universe.

fogw on April 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Iran gets a nuclear weapon and, among other consequences, they intimidate the smaller gulf states in the region.

And force the other regional powers to respond similarly with nuclear weapons.

This is as much a Shi’a vs. Sunni battle as it is a West vs. Tehran battle.

For more than 40 years there has been a widespread bipartisan agreement in this country to prevent rogue regimes from getting nuclear weapons.

And now the left – as we see above – shrugs its shoulders in disinterest over this agreement.

The radicals here are not the evil neocons, it’s the sleepwalking through history left.

Again.

SteveMG on April 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

A world without nukes!

WisCon on April 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Well, the neocon warmongering failed so its the President’s turn.

Talk about children running things.

This is the same poster who said that because the North Koreans didn’t successfully launch a satellite that the missile failed.

Oy.

SteveMG on April 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Let’s send Hillary to Iran and don’t let her come back until she drives them crazy.

rgeaste on April 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

In fact, in all my posts about Iran, I don’t think I’ve ever asked what we expect to happen if the diplomacy dance continues until Iran finally announces it has a working nuclear weapon. What’s the punishment going to be in that case?

In the short term, why would the US be saving anyting for N-Day +1 that it wouldn’t already have tried earlier?

It may stand as the single greatest US foreign policy failure since World War 2, possibly ever, and send historians scrambling for comparisons. While we struggle to find face-saving gestures and string together some kind of “contact group” or other fig leaf, the diplomacy that matters will be what’s conducted, announced, and revealed within the region, since our days as international cop will be widely scene as coming to an end – unless we do something that proves we meant what we always said after all.

CK MacLeod on April 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM

It was encouraging that Iran offered to help combat the Afghan drug trade. It would have been even better if it had also promised to stop aiding the Taliban

So Iran is going to fight the drug dealers and simultaneously provide aid to the Taliban?

Pretty funny when you consider that the Taliban is the drug trade.

Guardian on April 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Our president made nicey with Iran. No more nukes. The world is saved.
-getalife.

Heh.

fogw on April 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Well, the neocon warmongering failed so its the President’s turn.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

fogw – you are uncanny !

runner on April 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM

its one thing to build a bomb, wait till they start to sell the know how. Of course you will end up with a series of regional blocks armed with nukes. What could go wrong?

rob verdi on April 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Guardian
solid point.

rob verdi on April 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

After Japan, countries are not suicidal.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

You truly are delusional.

ManInBlack on April 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Because he knew that with Iran he would have to tap dance around the hard choices. Iran will never take Hillary seriously because she is a woman. Obama being the closet Muslim that he is – knows this. So he can blame anything on Iran and then not have to do anything about it.izoneguy on April 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Center spot on the dartboard!

Coastal Paradise on April 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Of course you will end up with a series of regional blocks armed with nukes. What could go wrong?

Yeah, nuclear material in a region filled with terror groups.

Not to worry. No corruption, no theft of material, et cetera. Every regional power will be absolutely sure to safeguard the material.

No, the real concern is those evil warmongering neocons.

SteveMG on April 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Posts like these, by the way, are why I keep coming back.

jimmy the notable on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Me too. I enjoy Allahpundit’s shtick, too (humping robots, anyone?), but this kind of strategic thinking is why this site needs AP.

Jobius on April 6, 2009 at 7:51 PM

BREAKING: people don’t always say what they really mean.

sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Bill Clinton comes to mind…

Del Dolemonte on April 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I wonder, dear Getalife, are the adults in charge in Iran, N. Korea, or Venezuela?

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM

My understanding is that it will be very hard for Israel to act without US complicity, since the attack routes will have to cross Iraq, and some of the weapons they need would have to come from the US. US permission is not likely to be forthcoming, so those of you waiting for an Israeli deus ex machina to remove the problem will probably be disappointed

Bibi drew a public line in the sand. He knows his political career is toast if he doesn’t follow through and Iran gets it’s nuke. I also suspect the Israelis have wargamed doing the hit without U.S. permission many times.
Watch Obama’s U.S. approval ratings drop if he doesn’t support Israel when the time comes. I don’t think he wants to take that hit to his popularity.

a capella on April 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM

So the One just invited Iran to “officially” play in Afganistan??? As Bugs Bunny sez..”What a marooon!” Letting Iran send it’s kud troops in and act innocent as they kill US and coalition troops and train other groups to be the Afgan version of Hezbollah….Yeh….that’s smart…
The NYT got lucky because the Bush admin didn’t have the balls to call the tune on Iran and make the NYT choke on it…
Now, after gutting the military budget, Obama will go in (with the blessings of the NYT) unprepared with the wrong game plan (Blackhawk Down)and a lot of US soldiers will die….

colonelkurtz on April 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM

ses:

People do not always say what they mean? Well then maybe we don’t really mean it is a bad idea for the Iranians to get a bomb. And maybe the Israelis are okay with it too. Gosh.

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Well, give Obama a chance,, Ok?? He’s only just begun. The US still has a nuclear arsenal to give away.
Seriously,,, how long before Obama announces to the world that we have dismantled our nuclear missiles and destroyed all our stock piles of weapons.
I would not be surprised if the community organizer man child celebrity is already secretly at work tearing apart our missiles defense.

JellyToast on April 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM

So the One just invited Iran to “officially” play in Afganistan???

Yep. Next stop? Moscow, to ask Pooty if he’ll help out in Cuber to stabalize things there.

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 7:59 PM

….owning the first Islamic nuclear weapon in the Middle East is much more prestigious….

So, Pakistan is not part of the Middle East?

iurockhead on April 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM

getalife:

Of course there are suicidal nations who want nukes. It is naive to think otherwise. And what exactly is the difference between warmongering and war?

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM

iurockhead:

Actually I think Pakistan is in Asia.

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM

I wonder, dear Getalife, are the adults in charge in Iran, N. Korea, or Venezuela?

Khamenei wants policy change, lil kim wants more oil and Scotch and Chavez wants a reset button.

I guess they are adults that want change.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM

So, Pakistan is not part of the Middle East?

iurockhead on April 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM

They don’t consider themselves to be a part of the ME, nor Arab. They are ethnically Persian, take it as an insult when they are lumped in with Middle Eastern countries. Believe or not, Iran is the same way, but they don’t get nearly as offended.

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Terrye on April 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Warmongering is political rhetoric.

“Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” is warmongering.

Israel is now warmongering threatening to bomb Iran.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

All Bama has ever done in his life is talk.

He is a beta male without the makeup, and cannot make hard decisions of this nature. Firing Rick Wagoner is nothing compared to dropping weapons on the Iranians. Why else cut back missile defense…”peace in our time” all over again.

I bet Bama never even slugged another kid when he was little.

The only real sane way to deal with a mad dog is to shoot it. Or run like hell and hope someone else has the balls to shoot it before it gets to you. Bama can only do the 2nd. And Israel is the only one with the balls on this issue. As to the rest of the mad dogs out there, there isn’t anybody I see with the balls or guns to deal with them, and there isn’t near enough room to run or hide, unless you are in the political class…the citizens will eat the fruit of craven wimps like Bama.

Harry Schell on April 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Israel is now warmongering threatening to bomb Iran.

And Iran is the innocent and aggrieved party?

Lordy…

SteveMG on April 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Just wait until teh Anointed One orders U.S. Air Force planes to shoot down
the Israeli bombers on their way to Iran. What then, Tonto?

Dhuka on April 6, 2009 at 8:10 PM

No everybody is missing the key opportunity. What if HRC flies to Tehran and after all is said and done the Iranians decide to keep her? Personally I think it is a win for the US if they do.

Dr. Dog on April 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Israel is now warmongering threatening to bomb Iran.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Unlike Imadinnerjacket’s constant stream of threats against the existence of Israel (which in your mind is reparte`, or political rhetoric).

Let’s see how these statements compare:

DinnerJacket: “Israel will be wiped from the map”

vs.

Israel: “We will bomb Irans’ nuclear weapons sites”.

Warmongermeter says: It’s Dinnerjacket by a camels’ nose.

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:13 PM

What if HRC flies to Tehran and after all is said and done the Iranians decide to keep her? Personally I think it is a win for the US if they do.

Dr. Dog on April 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Wouldn’t it be even better if they flogged her for touching an Ayatollah “too close to the buttocks” in what would be another international protocol gaffe?

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM

According to DEBKA, Obama wants Iran as his new strategic partner in Afghanistan and Pakistan -
Israel? Under the bus.

MB4 on April 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM

In other words, Obama is giving his lunch money to the bully in hopes of averting an ass-kicking. Little does he know the bully likes to kick ass. The lunch money is just a bonus.

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Israel is now warmongering threatening to bomb Iran.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Well, getalife, I suppose that puts you in a real bind now, as you can not very well enlist in the U.S. Army to support your President in Afghanistan, and maybe Pakistan latter, and enlist in the army of your boyfriend Mahmoud in Iran at the same time.

MB4 on April 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Yes, Iran warmongers on Israel too keeping the cycle of fear going in both countries. Soon, they will both have nukes.

Are they both suicidal countries?

I think not.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Israel is now warmongering threatening to bomb Iran.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

that is what antisemites usually say

runner on April 6, 2009 at 8:28 PM

getalife = troll

Don’t feed the trolls.

Midas on April 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Soon, they will both have nukes.

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Iran will have a few. Israel has hundreds now, including quite a number of Hydrogen bombs. This should probably solve your dilemma of which country’s army you should enlist in, in favor of your enlisting in the U.S. Army to support your President in Afghanistan, and maybe Pakistan latter, instead of enlisting in the army of your boyfriend Mahmoud in Iran.

I’m looking out for you, getalife.

MB4 on April 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM

getalife on April 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM

There ya have it. Eventually you’ll get this all figured out and realize that fear and fat-bottomed girls make the world go ’round.

BobMbx on April 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Barry Soetoro = Epic Fail

ex-Democrat on April 6, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Iran has us exactly where they want us.

Ditto North Korea.

Both can look forward to the next 1384 days to act with impunity.

“Smart Diplomacy?” “Works for me.” North Korea’s Kim Jong-Il was alleged to have said recently. /s

coldwarrior on April 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM

On a related note because Iran has an election scheduled for June, over at NRO’s “The Corner” Michael Rubin has linked to and posted a laundry list of “impermissible acts” that the Iranian press may not engage in: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWE2MDllMDY4MWQ2OTMxOTBjZDgxOTVjNzU0YmI3NGM=

Reading between the lines, one may surmise that Iran is suppressing a lot of political unrest.

onlineanalyst on April 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM

You would think that a person who has excelled in his political career by saying one thing and doing another……….

………….. would be shocked, shocked, that foreign despots would do the same thing.

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM

The Times still doesn’t get it. Other nations’ foreign policy is not simply a reaction to US foreign policy.

rbj on April 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

You know, rbj, that observation describes Obama’s worldview, too. In so many ways, he reveals himself to be a naive provincial and perhaps explains why he derides our country in order to curry favor with other nations.

onlineanalyst on April 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

To which I would add, that Obama and the nincompoops around him fail to understand that diplomacy and negotiation mean that there are meaningful consequences that have to accompany accommodations.

onlineanalyst on April 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

what are the iranians going to if they have a bomb, but don’t have a target? knowing the way all muslims feel about jerusalem, do you find it plausible that iranians would drop the big boy on it?
sesquipedalian on April 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Pardon my assumption, but does the above indicate that Tel Aviv would not be enticing/important to the Iranians?

anuts on April 6, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Well if ‘the smartest woman in the world’ goes to Iran, and gets pissed on, will that remove all doubt as to where Iran stands. Or will we just engage in more ‘smart diplomacy’.

Sooner or later we’re gonna have to engage in the use of some ‘smart bombs’. But I doubt President ‘No balls” will ever go there. He’s got a great track record of talking, not doing.

GarandFan on April 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Slight content warning:

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090406203243571

toliver on April 6, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Why did he ever think that his dancing would incite a meaningful dialogue knowing full well that it is forbidden to dance in the fascist Utopian Islamic Republic of Iran.
Damn this guy really is stupid as in Forest Gump like naivety.

larvcom on April 6, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Sending Madeleine Albright to Pyongyang sure “changed the game” in North Korea, didn’t it?

The obligatory David Zucker Madeleine Albright ad.

Repeat history?

Yes We Can!

Loxodonta on April 6, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Somehow I think that TOTUS’s going on about Iranian WMD will be taken as Gospel, because, George Bush’s Iraqi WMD was less dangerous and didn’t really exist anyway.

Besides, the Israelis will handle it.

They do things the way America used to do it before the European Marxists emigrated over here and started brainwashing us into believing that we had to be nice to everyone.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM

But we suspect that subtle and tentative approaches are not going to change much in Tehran.

President TelePrompter is subtle and tentative with Iran, but he goes all-out thug on Wall Street, Rush, GOP, and President Bush……

TN Mom on April 6, 2009 at 10:55 PM

The Big O: “Hey, Iran, we’re reeeeeeeeally sorry we’ve been so mean to you guys. How ’bout we talk about you and that there bomb you’ve been workin’ on?”

Iran: “Bite me.”

The Big O: “We’re not at war with Islam. We’re an arrogant, mean, and racist country. We want to be your new bff. Pleeeeeze come talk to us about that bomb…please?”

Iran: “F*** off.”

The Big O: “Oh, come on. Can’t we at least send Hillary Baby by for a little chit chat? Heck, we might even be interested in a trade – you give up your nukes, we’ll give you Hillary.”

Iran: “Oh HELL no.”

Chicago Jesus: Diplomacy you can believe in.

uncivilized on April 6, 2009 at 10:58 PM

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