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North Korea supplies the fireworks for Obama’s no-nukes pledge

posted at 12:20 pm on April 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Joe Biden warned us that the world would test the inexperienced rookie President if we elected Barack Obama to the White House.  He expected one international crisis in the first six months, but North Korea had a different timetable.  They launched a missile yesterday just as Obama demanded an end to nuclear weapons, highlighting the rather Utopian thinking of such a proposal, as The Hill’s Bridget Johnson reports:

President Obama’s Sunday speech against nuclear proliferation got a dramatic backdrop when North Korea fired a rocket through Japanese airspace just a few hours earlier.

North Korea’s official news agency had been warning about the launch from the moment that Obama had been wrapping up his business at the NATO meetings on Saturday. “Preparations for launching ‘Kwangmyongsong-2,’ an experimental communications satellite, by carrier rocket ‘Unha-2′ have been completed at the satellite launching ground in the east coastal area of the DPRK,” the Korean Central News Agency reported.

But few believed that North Korea’s long-range, multi-stage rocket test had anything to do with communications, other than sending a warning to its neighbors. While North Korea claimed Sunday that their satellite was successfully deployed to launch its space program, U.S. and South Korean watchers said no satellite or other object went into orbit as a result of the launch.

Meanwhile, Obama pretended that we can put the genie back in the bottle:

“I state clearly and with conviction America’s commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons,” Obama said to a crowd of about 20,000 packed into the historic square in the Czech Republic’s capital city. “This goal will not be reached quickly — perhaps not in my lifetime. It will take patience and persistence. But now we, too, must ignore the voices who tell us that the world cannot change.”

People will react by saying, “Well, what’s wrong with wishing away nuclear weapons?”  Nothing, up until we base American foreign policy on wishful thinking.  We’ve been fully committed to non-proliferation for decades, and we can see how well that worked with the North Korea launch.  We’re now almost two full decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the MAD standoff, and nuclear weapons haven’t disappeared — they’ve spread despite supposed commitments from Russia, China, and other nuclear nations to stop proliferation.

Unfortunately, the science won’t disappear.  Nations that put enough effort into R&D will eventually figure out a design for nuclear weapons.  Networks like the AQ Khan ring will sell the designs to dictators desperate enough to want them to cement their power.  Lunatics, such at the Iranian mullahcracy, will pursue nuclear weapons to arrange their personal Armageddons.  Quite literally, the only way to stamp out the danger of nuclear weapons is to depose every potential lunatic who might use them — which the nations of the West absolutely refuse to do, and which would actually underscore the security nukes bring to dictators.  No one would depose an already-nuclear despot and risk all-out nuclear war, especially one with medium- and long-range missiles, like North Korea and Kim Jong-Il.

There has never been a weapon in human history that all people simply decided to stop using, unless a bigger weapon superceded it.  Science does not go backward.  Nuclear weapons will not simply disappear, and it’s childish to believe they will.  What we need is better leadership on how to live in a nuclear world, better commitment to non-proliferation, including the will to force rogue nations into compliance.  Sitting around wishing for the world to forget established science will only make those tasks harder.


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No doubt. One time I saw this film of a child sitting in the mud trembling. American soldiers were marching nearby and one of them came over and picked the little girl up and walked away with her. She was the saddest sight.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Funny thing, I don’t think I ever learned anything about the Battle of Okinawa in Seattle public schools. I first remember learning about it when visiting a local museum as an exchange student in Naha in 1980. I suppose DTMH, though being an esteemed professor of history, never heard of it before today.

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM

the bataan death march, the way they experimented on our POWs…the nazis treated our prisoners better….

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I once heard storiesa about that death march from a work colleague of my Dad’s. He was a Dutch POW. Even 30 years after the fact he was still having nightmares.

Del Dolemonte on April 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Yeah… most every historian writing in the last decade

DeathToMediaHacks on April 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM

I caught that, too, Del. I love how “historians” of the last decade know more about World War II than the men who actually fought it. Yeah, it’s not like the U.S. Navy at the time had any real interest in correctly gauging the risk factors of an invasion. It’s really the historians of the last ten years who have skin in the game when it comes to that.

Hey, DearthOfRevelantFacts, how about explaining this Iranian rococo fantasia of destroying Israel and the U.S. simultaneously with missiles. It’s the clip at the bottom of the page. This isn’t “neocon” propaganda. This is an Iranian raw feed. This is Iranian propaganda. They are lunatics.

FYI the Iranians execute people for being gay, too, yet you still find them cuddly and too-cute-for-words. Ah, yes, more “neocon” propaganda. I thought you’d say that. Even talkleft is apparently now part of the neocon conspiracy. Here’s a searchable site where you can find a boatload more direct Iranian feeds fantasizing about the destruction of Israel and America. Or more neocon propaganda, if you prefer. The neocons are so wily they have taken over Iranian television for their nefarious schemes.

shazbat on April 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Saw this fascinating post on another board-this guy seems to know what he’s talking about, as he has a PhD in nuclear physics. He correctly notes that for a “communications satellite launch”, a rocket needs 4 stages. The NK rocket only had 3.

He’s talking about geosynchronous orbits. NK ever claimed to be trying this. Geosynchronous satellites orbit about 26,000 miles up. Iran just launched a small satellite (Omid) into low earth orbit, and it is at 55 degrees inclination. It is in such a low orbit that it will decay fairly soon. Omid’s orbit is only 143 – 186 miles in height.

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM

DarkCurrent:

The other day a friend of mine was telling me that a school in Indianapolis had a wall of newspapers up with headlines from the past. A local teacher saw one that said Japs Surrender and complained until it was taken down. After all, we are not supposed to say Japs. These silly people are running the world now. What happens is not what matters, how we frame it is. Who gets the blame is what matters, not whether or not we fix things. A world full of victims.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM

186 miles in height.

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM

isn’t that good height for an EMP?

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

A world full of victims.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I think the next victims will be the obama supporters in DC or NYC…boom…

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Equatorial geosynchronous orbits.

Plain geosync should be doable with a single orbital correction.

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM

North and South Korea are having a competition to be the first to launch a satellite.

Do some research cons.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Yeah.

This is the Korean Olympics.

Have you ignorant cons not paid attention for the last 60 years?

Saltysam on April 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM

geatlife:

How dense are you? Bill Clinton tried to stop the North Koreans from getting nukes. It is not as if it was okay fine with the world until Bush came along and spoiled everyone’s fun.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:29 PM

right4life:

It might be Obama supporters, but then again God loves drunks and fools and I think that most Obama supporters fit into one or both of those categories.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Yep. That’s the F-region of the ionosphere. Where the electron density peaks (300km is close enough to 186 miles).

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I seem to remember the iranians tested a missile that blew up around the same height…we proclaimed it a failure…I wonder…

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I’m just glad I don’t live in either area…thats the most likely place for an attack, and given our current leadership, I think its more than likely…

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Nah … more likely a failure … or a deliberate abort. I was involved in an ionospheric experiment off Norway (just meetings and analysis … didn’t get to go the launch) and people are awfully fussy about what is expected “downrange”.

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Equatorial geosynchronous orbits.

Plain geosync should be doable with a single orbital correction.

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM

True, but what would be the point of a 24 hour orbit that isn’t equatorial?

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Look it up. It can be convenient to be further north on one side of the earth than on the other. And it’s cheaper than equatorial. Siberia comes to mind …

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM

isn’t that good height for an EMP?

right4life on April 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Yes, my opinion on the launch was that if they could put a payload in orbit, even if it lasted only one orbit, it would show that they could hit just about anywhere.

A polar orbit would make it possible it ANYWHERE on Earth eventually. It’s harder to put something in a polar orbit though because you lose the added speed of the Earth’s rotation.

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I rarely pay attention to this one (wastealife), because I would rather have some modicum of a civil and rational discussion with someone I disagree, or at least a gracious, but sporting, joust.

I’m convinced that this full time waste of time is on AP’s payroll simply to write anti-American stupidity, ruffle people’s feathers, put Leftists in full caricature, and keep comments up in number.

The jaw-dropping ignorance is too perfect to be believed.

Saltysam on April 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The tin earred dictator in NK will get a big, fat Goberment check from the Big Earred dictator in USA to knock off this fooling around with fireworks.

Then Presidente Pinnochio and his traitorous counterparts in the House and Senate will get on with the socialization of these United States.

“From time to time the tree of Liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrannts”.

Tea Party Time?

dhunter on April 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Saltysman:

I thought that getalife might be Michelle Malkin just playing with us all.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM

My grandfather was a Pearl Harbor survivor and called them ‘Japs’ all his life. He spent 3 years stationed in Japan immediately after the war. He retired from the USN in the mid-sixties and finally settled down in Kaneohe, Hawaii. I moved to Honolulu when I was 18 and would visit him about once a year or so. When I was 22 and preparing to move to Japan I had some things I asked him to store for me. I drove over to Kaneohe and after unloading the boxes he invited me for a beer. I didn’t really know him very well, and thought he hated the ‘Japs’ and probably resented the fact I was moving there. To my surprise he spent the next couple of hours telling me how to behave politely in Japan, what to do, what not to do, etc. It turns out he had a great deal of admiration and respect for ‘Japs’.

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM

right4life:

You are probably right, but I think California is a likely place as well. So is Las Vegas.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM

1. I read the headline “And now for the ineffectual protestations from the world” on MM’s site, and the first thought that came to mind was “oh, another story about the Tea Parties”.
2. I wonder how our President (yeah, the same guy whose most famous campaign slogans come from Bob the Builder) will handle this… (or not handle it)

Send_Me on April 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

DarkCurrent:

I think that is the case very often. Often times soldiers hate the things the enemy does, he does not hate the whole culture.

My father in law was in the Navy as well as my father. His father had gone to Tokyo before the war to help install the vaults in the bank of Tokyo. After the surrender Al went to that bank, it was still there and ask to see the manager. The man remembered his father and invited him to have tea with him. There they sat, the Japanese banker and the American Naval officer talking about old times.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Ignore that … stupid thought. There are cases when it’s desirable though … must be something on wikipedia.

Ah … Molniya Orbits (12 hours) was what I was thinking of. But wikipedia disinguishes geosynchronous and geostationary orbits.

Seems that Sirius Satellite Radio uses non-geostationary, geosynchronous orbits.

gh on April 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

LOL!

Yeah, maybe she giving us pups some raw hide to cut our teeth on.

Saltysam on April 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

President Obama’s Sunday speech against nuclear proliferation got a dramatic backdrop when North Korea fired a rocket through Japanese airspace just a few hours earlier.

The West has screwed around for 50 years and paid nothing but lip service to keeping WMD’s out of the hands of rogue states.

They may as well have been planting daisies and fertilizing them with manure.

We are going to pay a very dear price for this, and soon.

-Dave

Dave R. on April 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM

They failed again launch a satellite.

South Korea’s turn to try.

The President is doing the right thing.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM

South Korea won — some time ago.

The President couldn’t do the right thing if his life depended on it. He’s a Democrat.

Obama Franks Waters LLC

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

The President is doing the right thing.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM

.
@getalife:
Tell me, how is cutting the missile defense “doing the right thing?”
.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040304080.html

JeffVader on April 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

ROFLMAO!!

It’s like taking candy away from a baby, isn’t it?

Saltysam on April 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I suppose DTMH, though being an esteemed professor of history, never heard of it before today.

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM

DTMH is an ignorant donkey shit eating F**Ktard.

csdeven on April 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Hmm… since actual history got mentioned in the thread our esteemed Professor of History is not heard from. Off teaching Sunday School I suppose…

It’s Qingming here in EA, I’ll have to check back tomorrow.

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2009 at 3:39 PM

DTMH is an ignorant donkey shit eating F**Ktard.

csdeven on April 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Salty.

Saltysam on April 5, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Hmm… since actual history got mentioned in the thread our esteemed Professor of History is not heard from. Off teaching Sunday School I suppose…

It’s Qingming here in EA, I’ll have to check back tomorrow.

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2009 at 3:39 PM

DTMH is probably off Googling “Okinawa….”

cs89 on April 5, 2009 at 3:50 PM

So, while on European soil, the current occupant of the White House is blaming FDR for ending WWII.

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Truman, actually, but yeah, point taken.

jimmy2shoes on April 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM

*cough* Truman *cough*

DeathToCapitalistPigs on April 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Good point: Loxondonta named the wrong Democrat.

Jim Treacher on April 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

South Korea won — some time ago.

The President couldn’t do the right thing if his life depended on it.

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Thanks for the recent history review never to be recognized by leftists with their heads up their @sses.

maverick muse on April 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

The President is doing the right thing.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are truly a self-loathing, demented fool.

-Dave

Dave R. on April 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

The President is doing the right thing.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM

The President could set fire to the Constitution on the steps of the White House and you’d respond with:

The President is doing the right thing.
Patience and Persistence
The adults are in charge.

ManInBlack on April 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49Iwfp8U-U

darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM

the will to force rogue nations into compliance.

Or charm them over Arabian coffee, like BHO surely will do with AckMyDumbJihad.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2009 at 4:45 PM

“Present!”

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM

I wish it would rain soup. It probably won’t happen in my lifetime, but I wish it.

That makes me thoughtful, forward thinking and good.

29Victor on April 5, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I thought that getalife might be Michelle Malkin just playing with us all.

Terrye on April 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Michelle has unjustly been the target of unbelievably vile troll attacks and I do not believe in the least that she is capable of inflicting same upon others. Anyone that thinks Michelle could behave in such an ungracious way does not know her very well.

At the very worst I can only suspect that a management decision has been made to allow us to experience 24/7 troll hate to ensure we are familiar with the other side.

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM

The NK rocket fell within about 800 miles. So, at the moment, this only poses a threat to Pyongyang’s closest neighbors. However, since this includes Japan and Taiwan, any threat from NK to its neighbors is dangerous= tro the entire world.

Secondly, the rocket they are working on supposedly has a range of 4,000 miles, which would pose a threat to many countries, including the US. Finally, NK has a history of secrecy and for surprising the world with the ability to do something none thought it could do. So, if it is ever successful at launching a long range missile, it might just go considerably further than 4,000 miles.

Here’s a list of the distances from Pyongyang to some other cities:

Seoul, South Korea – 120 miles
Tokyo, Japan – 800 miles
Taipei, Taiwan – 992 miles

Manila, Philippines – 1,704 miles
Singapore – 2,940 miles
Darwin, Australia – 3,089 miles
Anchorage, Alaska – 3,738 miles
Honolulu, Hawaii – 3,997 miles

Canberra, Australia – 4,628 miles
Berlin, Germany – 4,947 miles
Seattle, Washington – 5,150 miles
London, UK – 5,400 miles
Los Angeles, CA – 5,946 miles
New York City – 6,805 miles
Washington, DC – 6,880 miles

So, as NK seems determined to continue development and testing, something must be done to stop them, preferably sooner than later. Currently, UN sanctions appear only to be effective in causing mass starvation.

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Obama exists in some ego based fantasy world that lies far beyond Oz . . . we are in deep, deep trouble.

rplat on April 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM

There has never been a weapon in human history that all people simply decided to stop using, unless a bigger weapon superceded it. Science does not go backward. Nuclear weapons will not simply disappear, and it’s childish to believe they will. What we need is better leadership on how to live in a nuclear world, better commitment to non-proliferation, including the will to force rogue nations into compliance. Sitting around wishing for the world to forget established science will only make those tasks harder.

Excellent point, Ed.

ladyingray on April 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM

My son is less than 100 miles from the DMZ. This is scary stuff.

ladyingray on April 5, 2009 at 7:01 PM

I’m self-importing my response to Tzetzes here from the headline thread on this topic, as all the discussion seems to have moved here:

Would it be too wacky an idea just to withdraw from South Korea & Japan and let these two wealthy, populous countries take care of their own darn defense, only taking action when it directly concerns our own national interest?

Tzetzes on April 5, 2009 at 2:57 PM

We are there providing defense to keep Japan from going nuclear, that’s our arrangement with them. The instant we leave, Japan nukes up. Understandably. But then that entire region will feel the need to nuke up. Just as will occur in the Middle East when Iran’s nuke status becomes undeniable.

North Korea has enough conventional weaponry trained on Seoul, a city exceeding 10 million souls in a metropolitan area of about 23 million, to ensure the deaths of many millions of people. It’s pretty much a hostage situation. Folks that want a strong military response generally have failed to recognize the incredible cost in lives that a military response would entail.

That weaponry is to a large extend in hardened sites and no degree of preemptive action short of carpet bombing with nukes can ensure that Seoul won’t be destroyed.

Our Communist buddies in China and Russia very much enjoy having us tied up in such difficult situations, keeping us and our allies preoccupied and restrained by a substantial number of short hairs. Fortunately our last president knew the score. Unfortunately…

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 4:37 PM

This is and has been for some time essentially a hostage situation with the bad guy carrying a big bomb. The Norks have profited substantially by this behavior, receiving gifts and indulgences they could neither purchase nor merit otherwise. This is the reason that this is such a difficult situation, and why we do indeed need adults in charge that understand the danger of weakness and the power of presidential words and actions.

I’ve done two tours in Korea. While not privy to classified war plans and such, I learned a great deal about the South’s plight and the North’s abilities and preparations, and it’s pretty spooky. I wish I could offer comfort to others whose sons and daughters are there now, but with the current administration…I just can’t.

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM

My son is less than 100 miles from the DMZ. This is scary stuff.

ladyingray on April 5, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Yes. It’s scary for those in harm’s way, and for those of us here who care about them. My heart goes out to you and your son.

At this point, all I can do is hope North Korea doesn’t advance to fast or become too desperate during the Obama administration and actual launch an attack somewhere.

So far, President Obama has a pattern of feeble and deferential responses to all foreign adversaries and threats, and this pattern does not seem likely to change. If only Kim Jong-il were a US Bank CEO, then Obama would act tough and take decisive action.

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM

If only Kim Jong-il were a US Bank CEO, then Obama would act tough and take decisive action.

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM

In a fashion, he is. After the US Treasury no one prints more American dollars than the Norks.

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

In a fashion, he is. After the US Treasury no one prints more American dollars than the Norks.

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Zing!

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

“They failed again launch a satellite.
South Korea’s turn to try.
The President is doing the right thing.
getalife on April 5”

Seriously Getalife, getaclue, this was not a launch to put a satellite in orbit it was a show that NK can launch a missile anytime they want and Prezz Obama won’t do a dang thing to stop it.

Consider the lights are “green” for all the troublemakers!

DSchoen on April 5, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Reuters:

A U.N. Security Council meeting on Sunday decided on no immediate action against North Korea for its rocket launch but agreed to continue discussions on what response it should make given the “serious situation.”

Obama’s smart diplomacy.

Can’t the Security Council just eat its waffle?

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I was just going to post that Reuters piece also. Russia and China refused to agree to sanctions, what a shock. There is definitely a part of me that feels for those poor people who live under this crazed man. I certainly don’t think sanctions will help them any. Perhaps it might push them to revolt, is that what China fears?

msmveritas on April 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM

I certainly don’t think sanctions will help them any. Perhaps it might push them to revolt, is that what China fears?

msmveritas on April 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM

China benefits from having a client state antagonize the West without having to take direct responsibility for it. They appreciate having someone else directly threaten Japan while they pursue a blue water navy and territorial ambitions in relative obscurity. The Norks are not in a position to rebel, they are starving to death, only the army is well fed. There are defections and relative-freedom seeking Norks crossing into China clandestinely, so you may have a point that they are concerned about that getting worse, but China knows damn well that if North Korea fell that the West would devote huge resources into Korean Reunification and a refugee situation would be minor, so I suspect they are merely striving to preserve the status quo.

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

It is in such a low orbit that it will decay fairly soon. Omid’s orbit is only 143 – 186 miles in height.
darwin-t on April 5, 2

What would be the point of launching a COMMUNICATION satellite to less than geosynchronous orbit?

“186 miles in height.
darwin-t on April 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM
isn’t that good height for an EMP?
right4life on “

Or a heave chunk of steel (guided of coarse) crashing back down to earth at say 35K FPS, or 10KPS, or 7MPS?

DSchoen on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

DSchoen on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Their use of language is fascinating, isn’t it? Almost Obamaesque.

From AP’s Chronology of North Korea’s missile program:

Aug. 31, 1998: North Korea fires suspected missile over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean, calling it a satellite.

And then, the exact same flyover of Japan today, followed by the failure of another “peaceful satellite” launch.

Loxodonta on April 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I can’t wait to hear what words of wisdom flow out of The Messiahs mouth tomorrow in Turkey. Maybe he’ll call for the new Caliphate to be seated in Washington? nObama is living proof that affirmative action is a total failure.

dmann on April 5, 2009 at 9:12 PM

And I swear to God you right wingers are the most weak willed, sensitive losers on planet earth. “OMG, he said we are the only nation to use a nuclear weapon?!?!?” Well for christ sake that is ACCURATE. Though I guess I can’t expect people to recognize a plan stating of fact when they think FDR dropped the bomb. Good lord.

No where did Obama say “and we were wrong/and we apologize/we shouldn’t have/I wish we hadn’t.” He said that we had and that we were the only ones to do so. And I know people have a series of arguments about why it was justified, which would be relevant if there were an argument made by Obama that it wasn’t justified. But he DIDN’T make that argument. You guys are jut feeling guilty and defensive about the fact we dropped two nukes on two cities and kills tens of thousands of people and gave a generation radiation poisoning.

DeathToMediaHacks on April 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

And the United States has not used a nuclear weapon against another nation for over 65 years. Our purpose for doing so was not to establish world dominance or to threaten our neighbors.

The motives of these rogue regimes are dangerous to the stability of the world. They are in no way a moral equivalent to our own nation’s actions to end World War II. We did not continue to bomb other nations with that destructive power afterward to exert our will or to expand our sphere of influence.

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Maybe Obama can send Hillary! over to NoKo with her bosom buddy Albright and a better “reset” button. Afterward, they can hoist a few glasses of champagne and call NoKo’s act a miscommunication.

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM

In fact, I would suspect, given this speech, that countries under our umbrella would have to believe that under Pres. Obama, he won’t push that button, no matter what the provocation is, unless the US itself is hit, and even then the odds might be fifty fifty.
eaglewingz

Or they might think it’s 1938 all over again

Obama thinks he’s In fact, I would suspect, given this speech, that countries under our umbrella would have to believe that under Pres. Obama, he won’t push that button, no matter what the provocation is, unless the US itself is hit, and even then the odds might be fifty fifty.
eaglewingz

Or they might think it’s 1938 all over again.
Lincoln, FDR, what do these two have in common?

DSchoen on April 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

The little tin horned dictator from N. Korea was not about to be upstaged by the big earred dicator from the south side of Chicago on his European media tour.

Tin horns showin big ears he has some cards in his deck and darin big ears to call his bluff.

Big ears just folded!

dhunter on April 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Japan blew its chance to intercept the missile, which would have denied the Koreans the telemetry to know if it would have worked as well as denied them ocean access to shoot over. Let the NoKo’s try shooting their “satellites” over Russia and see how accommodating they are. When it’s all said and done, the only country that ever actually did something to prevent nuclear proliferation in tyrannical countries is Israel.

Socratease on April 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

You guys are jut feeling guilty and defensive about the fact we dropped two nukes on two cities and kills tens of thousands of people and gave a generation radiation poisoning.

DeathToMediaHacks on April 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

You apparently have never heard of the Bataan Death March.

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Why doesn’t getalife and DTMH just move to North Korea? Think they would survive?

sheebe on April 5, 2009 at 1:09 PM

This is why they won’t. More.

Do the leftists here know how cold it gets in that part of the world? I do. Imagine that dark country with little to no power. And imagine the mindset of a dictator who would let his people freeze and starve but would steal and maintain the technology to build a nuke–or even put up a “satellite” before seeing to the basic survival needs of his people.

That the Left would think such a monster capable of benevolence is what reinforces the idea that there some who cannot be reasoned with and that we shouldn’t bother trying.

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:20 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on April 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Not to knit-pick (your the master) but it was under FDR that we began the Manhattan project and drew up the plans for the attacks, Truman just implemented the plans.

Gwillie on April 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM

DTMH shows the usual lack of historical knowledge. The Manhattan Project was long underway when FDR died and Truman took over. Truman was largely out of the loop on many issues for many reasons. But we have DTMH chiming in with his truncated understanding of facts. You can’t make an atomic weapon in the FOUR MONTHS from FDR’s death in April 1945 to August 1945 when the bombs were dropped on Hirohito’s Japan. Sheesh. 3+ more years of this?

65droptop on April 6, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Amen…Baldilocks…Amen

jerrytbg on April 6, 2009 at 12:22 AM

That the Left would think such a monster capable of benevolence is what reinforces the idea that there some who cannot be reasoned with and that we shouldn’t bother trying.

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Thanks. Your second link is broken.

Here is an example of what you might have been trying to show:

Starving North Korean Refugee

Loxodonta on April 6, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Sorry. Here it is.

The nightmare world of North Korea.

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Somehow, baldi, I think that you can never get through to some people.

They cannot fathom that the world is a dangerous place and that freedom is a precious gift.

Saltysam on April 6, 2009 at 12:56 AM

While serving in South Korea I saw films of North Korean children singing about killing soldiers from the South and America and destroying all the other countries that hated them. They were actually more disturbing and violent than the jihadi youth demonstrations I’ve seen. It is, indeed, a nightmare world.

Maquis on April 6, 2009 at 1:06 AM

baldilocks on April 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Thanks. Even though that story is gut wrenching.

Somehow, baldi, I think that you can never get through to some people.

Saltysam on April 6, 2009 at 12:56 AM

The consequences of not getting through to people are worse than the frustration of trying.

Loxodonta on April 6, 2009 at 1:24 AM

SHAZBAT & DAVE R If a Republican made a completely ill timed posture and speech like The One just did, (on non-prolif while NK launches a rocket) SNL and the whole idiot “humor industry” would be using it to define his whole Presidency. You know, the President at a lecturn while mushroom clouds or rockets alternatively appear behind him? And Secretary of State Clinton (who is, incredibly, worse in the job than she was as First Lady or with her health care try) talking about ‘consequesces’ to rogue nations in an empty room while the excited press chases a dictator down the hall.

Hey, hey Chevy Chase, come back and make fun of Gerald Ford falling so we can get another Jimmy Carter. Wait, my girlfriend called.. we already got another Jimmy Carter?

IlikedAUH2O on April 6, 2009 at 7:08 AM

No, one difference..Carter was less arrogant, believed in God and actually had some experience (NAVY) in something aside from machine politics and stupid liberal college crap. We traded down.

IlikedAUH2O on April 6, 2009 at 7:13 AM

I don’t care! I’m still waiting for my Mortgage to be paid and my free gas!

Scorched_Earth on April 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Know your History or live it again.
You elect a token/harvard wimp and WE all go to Hell or WE tell the kid to buzz off. Major joke in operation we need to flood the phones in DC and tell our employees to bypass this dipstick.
Carter has returned,makes me miss his drunken brother,Billy the hoser.
Afirimative Action at it lowest ebb!

Col.John Wm. Reed on April 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Carter …. believed in God

IlikedAUH2O on April 6, 2009 at 7:13 AM

So what! The demons believe and shutter. Have you ever heard him talk about his religion. The guy is a crazy universalist which explains his cuddling up with the PLO.

shick on April 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM

There have been no wars between the European powers in 64 years. That’s a record not seen since the Roman Empire. What caused this massive outbreak of peace? Nukes. And Our Savior wants to eliminate them?! Not just a moron, a DANGEROUS moron.

quikstrike98 on April 6, 2009 at 9:10 AM

fairytale foreign policy

gatorboy on April 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM

This may all be more Korean politics than anything else:

While many analysts have looked at the launching through a military lens, some say another perspective involves political rivalries on the Korean peninsula. For years, South Korea has been gearing up to fire a satellite into orbit and join the space club. Its spaceport of Oinarodo is nearly ready, but a launching scheduled for this month was delayed, giving North Korea an opening.
“They’re racing to beat the South Koreans,” said Tim Brown, a senior fellow at GlobalSecurity.org, a private group in Alexandria, Va

starfleet_dude on April 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM

They failed again launch a satellite.

South Korea’s turn to try.

The President is doing the right thing.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Ed, does getalife have an American IP address? His poor use of sentence structure and inability to connect together a complex sentence makes me think he’s running this through a translation program.

itsspideyman on April 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I presumed that Obama’s nuclear disarmament messages was timed, since we knew NK’s timetable.

AnninCA on April 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM

No-nukes…good idea, you can have Albright draw up the documents, she did a good job with North Korea…and then have Carter follow up, he did such a good job on his “watch”.
Anyone who thinks that we will ever have “no-nukes”, means they are expecting to live in a cave after the war.
One of our submarines carries 24 nuclear missiles (range, 6,000 miles), each with 8 warheads that can be programmed for different targets. That is 192 targets. Along with that are 154 cruise missiles on some Tridents…all together over 5,000 times the nuclear devastation as the Hiroshima bomb in each sub. And we have at least 24 of these.

right2bright on April 6, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Like a playground argument between a wimp and a bully:

Barry O: You must destroy your nuclear weapons!

Crazy Kim: Oh yeah? Who’s gonna make me?

Who, indeed?

“But now we, too, must ignore the voices who tell us that the world cannot change.”

Ignore them at our own risk, Barry! We’re better off trying to blow the nukes up on the launch pad, or shoot them out of the air.

Crazy Kim and Mah-moods ImaNutJob cannot be ignored! Barry O needs to remember Teddy Roosevelt’s big stick…

Steve Z on April 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM

1. Obama’s massive plan is rejected by G20
2. Obama’s request for troops to fight is rejected by NATO
3. Obama’s nuke reduction is met with N Korea missile launch.

WHAT A SUCCESS! Right MSM?

marklmail on April 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM

America gave them money for food last year. I am surprised Obama hasn’t fired their pres over the weekend.

seven on April 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM

unfortunately our president talks meekly and carries a limp stick. he is a weak leader and the world knows it now.

workingforpigs on April 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Anyone gat any problem with nuking North Korea and getting it over with? If you are worried about China or Russia just tell the Chinese and Ruskies, Hey youse guys we’ve got plenty more where that came from.

kanda on April 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM

sweep the leg

johnnyU on April 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

That picture reminds me of my trip to Panmunjom in 1976. We were told we couldn’t wave, smile, or gesticulate to the NK goons. All we were allowed to do was stare or take their pictures. Nothing has changed since ‘76, except for the bomb.

BottomLine5 on April 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM

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