Disgrace: Danish PM to finally apologize for Mohammed cartoons?

posted at 6:26 pm on April 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

So says PoliGazette, citing a Dutch newspaper. Hurriyet, a Turkish news service, has it too. Simply appalling, and all the more so because it seems to be motivated by nothing more noble than Rasmussen’s personal ambition to be appointed head of NATO. Evidently, begging Muslims’ forgiveness for supporting free speech is the price of winning Turkey’s support. This makes twice now in the span of two months that a European pol who took a stand against Islamic violence has paid a political price for doing so.

The kicker? He’s going to do it in Istanbul.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark’s leader, was one of the few European politicians who refused to give in to pressure from fundamentalists in the Middle East when a Danish newspaper published the now infamous “Mohammed cartoons.” His attitude was welcomed by may Europeans, especially by conservatives. He was quickly promoted to “hero of the freedom of speech,” and became one of the old continent’s most popular politicians.

But then something changed. Rasmussen set his eyes upon NATO. He wanted to become the organization’s next secretary general. An ambitious man, he proved willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish his goals.

Follow the link to PoliGazette for a trenchant point about what this’ll do to the secularist cause in Turkey. Meanwhile, Tapper posted an item last night at ABC about the impasse between Denmark and Turkey and how a certain smooth-talking Lightworker heroically intervened to heal the rift. Omitted were details about just what The One said or did to forge a compromise. The question: What role did our very liberal president have in acquiescing in or even encouraging this total betrayal of liberal values?

Obama, Rasmussen and [Turkish President Abdullah] Gul had another conversation, for about an hour, according to Obama’s national security adviser, Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.), and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs…

“As a result of the dialogue between the three heads of the state, they found a common ground that allowed Turkey to believe that their legitimate concerns about terror were going to be addressed, and Denmark, the Prime Minister found common ground to where, in his capacity as Secretary General, that Turkey now feels certain that he will take their considerations — take under account their considerations Alliance-wide,” Jones said.

When the three men returned to the main session, Jones told reporters, they had smiles on their faces, indicating that a deal of some sort had been clinched…

Said Jones: “I think it was a very helpful moment. I think that our President really was instrumental in bringing about this common ground and finding this common ground — and as a result the Alliance has a new Secretary General elected unanimously.”

I’m going to try to get Tapper’s attention on Twitter to press him to follow up. Stay tuned.

Update: Tapper’s on the case. He makes a good point about the sketchiness of some European media so I’ve added a question mark to the title, but Hurriyet is a mainstream Turkish paper with high circulation. Presumably a lot of Turks are expecting an apology tomorrow now. If one doesn’t come, that may end up being a story in itself.

Tapper also insists that Obama didn’t have any say in the terms of the negotiations, merely in bringing the parties together. That sounds very different from the description in last night’s item about an hour of “dialogue” between the three.


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Tapper could just read Informed Comment to get the skinny on this matter:

a key issue for Erdogan was that Denmark has hosted Roj-TV, a Kurdish-language station that Turkey maintains supports the separatist Kurdish Worker’s Party (PKK) that has attacked Turkish troops and other targets in eastern Anatolia, and which is widely designated as a terrorist organization.

And it’s over now too:

Erdogan said Turkey had received “guarantees” from Obama that one of Rasmussen’s deputies would be a Turk and that Turkish commanders would be present at the alliance’s command. “Our president (Abdullah Gul) said OK after receiving information that Obama will be the guarantor of resolution of the problems relating to the reserves we had expressed,” he told reporters in Istanbul.’

Got any more manufactured outrage?

starfleet_dude on April 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM

I’m putting money on no apology, but some sort of acknowledgment of their anger.
And then some sort of equivalence.

MayBee on April 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM

As a Jew, I want to personally apologize for Israel not totally destroying Hamas in Gaza back in January.

TexasJew on April 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM

If they had, who would the precedent hang out with when he leaves office?

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Got any more manufactured outrage?

starfleet_dude on April 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM

So Obama just doesnt bow to Islam he also sucks ?

William Amos on April 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM

So Obama just doesnt bow to Islam he also sucks ?

William Amos on April 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM

No wonder he can’t shake the rumors that he is on the down low.

Blake on April 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Great, I assume this means that Turkey is going to apologize for taking Istanbul from the Christians.

Istanbul was Constantinople, now it’s Istanbul not Constantinople.

29Victor on April 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Islam gaining a foothold with conversions in Mexico

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Swell.

Thanks for the link.

*~@):-{>

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Maquis on April 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Platitudes have a short half life on an empty belly….

if Rad Islam thinks it is the only kids on the playground capable of savagery let them back folks into a corner….

Charles Martel comes to mind.

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Erdogan said Turkey had received “guarantees” from Obama that one of Rasmussen’s deputies would be a Turk and that Turkish commanders would be present at the alliance’s command. “Our president (Abdullah Gul) said OK after receiving information that Obama will be the guarantor of resolution of the problems relating to the reserves we had expressed,” he told reporters in Istanbul.’
Got any more manufactured outrage?

starfleet_dude on April 5, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Great, now NATO military secrets will be leaked to Middle East radical Muslims. Want to know about security at US military installations? Computer security? Just ask. (The secrets that the moles haven’t passed on to Russia, that is.)

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Great, now NATO military secrets will be leaked to Middle East radical Muslims. Want to know about security at US military installations? Computer security? Just ask. (The secrets that the moles haven’t passed on to Russia, that is.)

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:39 PM

the more likely an obviously inside jobn is the closer the day comes that the matter is brought to a head…

there was a Navy man who responded to the USS Cole attack by posting data on his ship class, and tactical siposition of the fleet in transit in Hormuz…

oddly he had changed his nom de guerre recently prior to the release of data…

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Tapper also insists that Obama didn’t have any say in the terms of the negotiations, merely in bringing the parties together. That sounds very different from the description in last night’s item about an hour of “dialogue” between the three.

Oh all that is so easy to reconcile. The explanation is so obvious, AllahP, I am really amazed that you need my help in figuring it out.

During the hour Rasmussen and Abdullah were disusing the terms of surrender matters of state Maestro Obama was playing Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 19 in F major, Piano Concerto No. 20 in D minor, Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major and Piano Concerto No. 22 in E-flat major, to sooth their nerves.

Sometimes I just don’t know what you would do without me.

Obama does play the piano, doesn’t he? Well, he must.

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Great, now NATO military secrets will be leaked to Middle East radical Muslims. Want to know about security at US military installations? Computer security? Just ask. (The secrets that the moles haven’t passed on to Russia, that is.)

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:39 PM

the more likely an obviously inside job is the closer the day comes that the matter is brought to a head…

there was a Navy man who responded to the USS Cole attack by posting data on his ship class, and tactical siposition of the fleet in transit in Hormuz…

oddly he had changed his nom de guerre recently prior to the release of data…

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Obama does play the piano, doesn’t he? Well, he must.

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

he doesn’t actually have to tickle the ivories, he is so suave and smooth the piano vibrates in happiness as soon as he draws near.

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Great, I assume this means that Turkey is going to apologize for taking Istanbul from the Christians.
29Victor on April 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Yeah, and I’m still waiting for them to acknowledge the genocide of Armenians.
I’m guessing neither of us should hold our breaths.

CarolynM on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Great, now NATO military secrets will be leaked to Middle East radical Muslims. Want to know about security at US military installations? Computer security? Just ask. (The secrets that the moles haven’t passed on to Russia, that is.)

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:39 PM

the more likely an obviously inside job is the closer the day comes that the matter is brought to a head…

there was a Navy man who responded to the USS Cole attack by posting data on his ship class, and tactical disposition of the fleet in transit in Hormuz…

oddly he had changed his nom de guerre recently prior to the release of data…

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Anders Fogh Rasmussen must denounce not only the blasphemes cartoons that hurt the feelings of all good Muslims everywhere, but he must also denounce all disbeliever attacks on the Prophet, Peace be upon Him. He must also throw his full personal support as well as that of all the NATO countries behind the U.N. resolution passed in December prohibiting defamation of Islam including making such defamation a crime under international law and turn over to us any such criminals that are within NATO jurisdiction to us for punishment. He must also call for the expulsion of all Jews from Palestine so that Muslims can once again return to their rightful homeland there. He must also denounce all of the Crusades and demand that reparations be paid to Muslims and all the land in Europe that was stolen from them be returned. He must also agree to meet all of the demands that Muslims may make in the future. Allah willing.

Aleph on April 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Adam Schiff, Democratic Congressman from California, Wall Street Journal, 4/3/09.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM

We’ll see how things twist in the wind.

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM

I’m not so worried about the Danish PM apologizing for a cartoon.

My BIG concern, what is Obama going to apologize for? You all know he can’t resist.

M-14 2go on April 5, 2009 at 9:01 PM

wait. what happens if i say that Islam is a religion of violence? is that defamation? or is truth an absolute defense? do i have my constitutional rights at the UN or do only terrorists have rights?

help! i’m so confused.

kelley in virginia on April 5, 2009 at 9:01 PM

No wonder he can’t shake the rumors that he is on the down low.

Blake on April 5, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Effeminate limp-wristed sissy-boy!

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Why would anybody bow to Omar the Tentmaker?

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:15 PM

CarolynM on April 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM

You know you live in a world with screwed up priorities when…

29Victor on April 5, 2009 at 9:17 PM

PM apologizing? Showing some of that European leadership in the world eh? ha ha ha Did he assume The French Warrior Stance?

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Well, we got rid of the radical religious extremists out of politics here, so if they can do the same, we are making progress.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Radical Islamic goofballs and Illegal Aliens and their pinko commie supporters? I mean, is POTUS and Europeans really afraid of them? Do they think we’re afraid of them?

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Wow… Anders Rasmussen turned out to be the bigger bomb ! But the sharks can smell the fear of the cowards… This is not the end and is most definitely going to come back and bite Denmark in the end.

Danes should be ashamed of their pitiful PM.

nagee76 on April 5, 2009 at 9:23 PM

These Radical Islamic Terrorists are not religious extremists, they are mainstream….

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:24 PM

These Radical Islamic Terrorists are not religious extremists, they are mainstream….

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:24 PM

So were the ones here.

Not anymore.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I’m sure the Danes are ready to fight now in Afghanistan eh? About as ready as The Dali Bama is? ha ha ha

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Well, we got rid of the radical religious extremists out of politics here, so if they can do the same, we are making progress.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

No, the Church of Our Lady Gaia of Perpetual Guilt is still around.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 9:26 PM

No, the Church of Our Lady Gaia of Perpetual Guilt is still around.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Palin?

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Palin?

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Algore.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Well, we got rid of the radical religious extremists out of politics here, so if they can do the same, we are making progress.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers is a religious extremist-TUCC anyone….?

sven10077 on April 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM

These Radical Islamic Terrorists are not religious extremists, they are mainstream….

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:24 PM
So were the ones here.

Not anymore.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:25 PM

The word “are” is not past tense when referring to Mainstream Radical Islamic Terrorists….

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Well, we got rid of the radical religious extremists out of politics here, so if they can do the same, we are making progress.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

If you known anything , you would have seen that turkey’s been going backward . But you’re just a naive dreamer.

the_nile on April 5, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Hey getalife, you ready to go kill some men, women, and children Afghans for The Dali Bama’s War?

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Well, we got rid of the radical religious extremists out of politics here, so if they can do the same, we are making progress.

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Turkey was a secular country that is in the process of being transformed into a Muslim state. Turkey is a case study in why the progressive-determinist view of history is false.

aengus on April 5, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Getalife should sign up with those elitist spoiled little brats Sasha and Mahlia…

RealDemocrat on April 5, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Algore.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 9:28 PM

And the High Goracle spoke all these words, saying: I am thee Goracle thine Oracle.

ONE: You shall have no other Oracles before Me.

TWO: You shall not make for yourself any carbon images–any likeness of anything carbon that is in heaven above, or of anything carbon that is in the earth beneath, or anything carbon that is in the water under the earth.

THREE: You shall not ever take the name of thee Goracle thine Oracle in vain.

FOUR: Remember My birthday, and keep it carbon free unless you have credits that you bought from Me.

FIVE: Honor Me instead of your father and your mother especially if they don’t believe in Global Warming.

SIX: You shall not ever malign Me or else you be apostates.

SEVEN: You shall not commit adultery with My wife, but I can with your wife and daughters and goats.

EIGHT: You shall not ever steal My carbon credits.

NINE: You shall not raise any challenges to the most holy doctrine of Global Warming.

TEN: You shall not covet any of My mansions; you shall not covet My private jets, nor My SUV’s, nor My pizza, nor My Krispe Kreame dounuts, nor My Biggie Fries, nor My hot fudge sundaes.

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 9:36 PM

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 9:36 PM

LOL

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 9:41 PM

getalife, it’s not what you say, it’s how mindlessly you do say it.

Here’s some fun.

It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.

I know getalife, a Republican VP thought that Latin was spoken in Latin America. Now, repeat after me “they are both idiots“. I know you can do it. If not, you not only don’t have a mind, but you have no soul, and definitely no honesty.

Entelechy on April 5, 2009 at 9:57 PM

The new face of NATO…..time to light it up, all of it. Hopefully those that survive will remember what happened and ban all religions once and for all!

dmann on April 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM

The new face of NATO…..time to light it up, all of it. Hopefully those that survive will remember what happened and ban all religions once and for all!

dmann on April 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Gotta get rid of that pesky First Amendment the Americans have. Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly. Just can’t have it…

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Obama needs to apologize for turning Iraq gay with democracy.

BL@KBIRD on April 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Palin?

getalife on April 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Did you mean Rev. Wright? I’m sure you didn’t mean Palin because she didn’t stone her daughter to death for adultery…

Speaking of religious fanatics, what do you think about Teh One making nice with the Taliban? You must have a tingle running up your leg! + 1 for the Feminist cause du jour.

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Gotta get rid of that pesky First Amendment the Americans have. Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly. Just can’t have it…

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Well, getalife already surrendered her right to any form of speech — she’s too busy gagging on _______________ <—- fill in the blank.

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

She’s a White House intern for a Democratic president? Now that explains a lot, including the dress.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Hmmm….we Americans seem to have a handle on the freedoms you cite, its just to bad the rest of the world sucks goat nads when it comes to respecting differences. I say F’m all…push the button and have the last laugh before laughing is against the law*

*already enforced throughout the Muslim world

dmann on April 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

She’s a White House intern for a Democratic president? Now that explains a lot, including the dress.

Wethal on April 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Oh, so Monica is blogging now – I would have thought she would have hooked up with Meghan McCain to start their own little blog…

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

As a Jew, I want to personally apologize for Israel not totally destroying Hamas in Gaza back in January.

TexasJew on April 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Thanks, but you could have saved us $700,000,000! :)

Christian Conservative on April 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Will he apologize for this?
*~@):~{>

jgapinoy on April 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Will he apologize for this?
*~@):~{>

jgapinoy on April 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM

+1

Upstater85 on April 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Just had my Danish husband scan the Danish news sites (incl Jyllands Posten) and it’s only being covered as “Turkish media reports…” However, Anders Fogh fell down some stairs at the hotel in Istanbul and had to go to the hospital (arm in a sling).

No translation of capitulation found just yet. Let’s cross the fingers it never comes.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Obama does play the piano, doesn’t he? Well, he must.

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Somwhat less well than Condi Rice I hear.

MB4 on April 5, 2009 at 9:36 PM

So sayeth the mighty and all knowing Goracle! Hey, who is that man behind the curtain?

Oh, so Monica is blogging now – I would have thought she would have hooked up with Meghan McCain to start their own little blog…

Upstater85 on April 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Only if Monica wished to have another tryst with a natonal political figure.

Hawthorne on April 6, 2009 at 1:53 AM

No I mean her.

Darth Executor on April 5, 2009 at 7:02 PM

She’s OK, for a blonde. But nevertheless, enjoy.

65droptop on April 6, 2009 at 2:47 AM

HEY ED OR ALLAH. One of you chastised another poster here a few nights ago for something one of you called “militia” talk.

What about THIS?

If this guy isn’t joking, it is much more worthy of your reproval:

Anders Fogh Rasmussen must denounce not only the blasphemes cartoons that hurt the feelings of all good Muslims everywhere, but he must also denounce all disbeliever attacks on the Prophet, Peace be upon Him. He must also throw his full personal support as well as that of all the NATO countries behind the U.N. resolution passed in December prohibiting defamation of Islam including making such defamation a crime under international law and turn over to us any such criminals that are within NATO jurisdiction to us for punishment. He must also call for the expulsion of all Jews from Palestine so that Muslims can once again return to their rightful homeland there. He must also denounce all of the Crusades and demand that reparations be paid to Muslims and all the land in Europe that was stolen from them be returned. He must also agree to meet all of the demands that Muslims may make in the future. Allah willing.

Aleph on April 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM

65droptop on April 6, 2009 at 2:57 AM

*already enforced throughout the Muslim world

dmann on April 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Does that include Europe?

I’m not so much a fan of banning religions, but if a religion starts to make a lot more trouble than the others… I’m happy to make an exception.

Chaz706 on April 6, 2009 at 3:14 AM

To lose both Denmark and Turkey in one fell swoop, to a public display of dhimmism and islamic aggression, all due to a cartoon … Wow.

The cowardice of the West and the primitive savagery of islam could hardly be better displayed. It is a new low for the world, historically. Never before have those so strong and advanced bent in submission to those so weak and primitive …

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 3:23 AM

PM Fogh did not apologize in his speech. The article says he “stopped short of apologizing” but did say that he respected Islam. Fair enough. Like it or not, Turkey is an important player in the region.

After the seriousness of what went on in Denmark, and the massive wake-up call they got after the cartoon crap, it would have been a political disaster internally for AFR and his Venstre party to have reversed course. Denmark is a strong ally. Tapper was right to have reservation before CONDEMNING Rasmussen to appeasement to get his new NATO position, for crying out loud. Can we try to be a better ally to a country who took a beating standing by us during all of Iraq and Afghanistan? Geez, people.

http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-21535085.html?forside

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 5:09 AM

And here’s another article which says:

“Hør lige her. Vi undskylder ikke i Danmark, at vi har ytringsfrihed,”

“Now, listen here. We are not going to apologize in Denmark for having freedom of the press.

and later:

“I ved jo alle sammen, at en dansk statsminister ikke kan undskylde på vegne af en avis”

“You all know a Danish statesminister can’t apologize on behalf of a newspaper.”

http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/politik/article.php/id-21533701.html

That translation cost me the rubbing of lotion on my Danish husband’s feet! He knows how to take advantage of my political outrage, doesn’t he? ;-)

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 5:32 AM

PM Fogh did not apologize in his speech. The article says he “stopped short of apologizing” but did say that he respected Islam.

Exactly what is there about islam that is worthy of respect? I’m lost on this aspect. islam has big numbers (not as big as Christianity, but big). Other than that, though, I can’t think of a single thing about islam worth respecting.

To say that one respects islam is appeasement. Everyone knows this.

Like it or not, Turkey is an important player in the region.

So? Turkey also screwed the US over right before Iraq. They screwed us big time. And they are sliding back into islamic rule, which they might not be able to fight, now, because the EU made them change their constitution so that the military was no longer the supreme authority, meaning that a normal Turkish military coup to rid itself of islmaists in government is made illegal by the EU, which has been leading to an islamic government in Turkey. Everyone take a bow for this great disaster, brought to us, once again, by Europe.

Can we try to be a better ally to a country who took a beating standing by us during all of Iraq and Afghanistan? Geez, people.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 5:09 AM

THis is not about being a better ally to Denmark. This is about whether Denmark is going down for the count, as the rest of Europe seems headed … and the US too, since we now have an America-hating, revenge-oriented, marxist in the White House.

You all know a Danish statesminister can’t apologize on behalf of a newspaper.

“can’t” is a poor choice. I don’t know if that’s just a matter of the translation, but “can’t” is not what someone ought to be saying here, since even if they could, they shouldn’t. Better would have been a positive defense of freedom of the press and free speech (whatever the Danish versions of these are). “can’t” screams weakness and appeasement.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 5:46 AM

progress over peace:

You want to hate islam, go for it. I pretty much do too–but I’m not in a position of having to work with a NATO ally. For pete’s sake, we WANT AFR to be the NATO chief and not some fluff from France or elsewhere who HASN’T been standing shoulder to shoulder with us since the war(s) began. The fact you think “Denmark is going down for the count” tells me just how ignorant you are to lump them in with the rest of Europe. I’m going to be in Denmark in 3 weeks AND my husband will be working with NATO in May. Anecdotal as it is, it give me MORE insight to Denmark and it’s policies than you have.

Get a freaking grip, will ya? Your paranoia is kinda sad.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 5:55 AM

You want to hate islam, go for it.

I don’t hate islam. I have no problem with islam, so long as it doesn’t bother me. But islam insists on forcing itself on me and my life.

I pretty much do too–but I’m not in a position of having to work with a NATO ally. For pete’s sake, we WANT AFR to be the NATO chief and not some fluff from France or elsewhere who HASN’T been standing shoulder to shoulder with us since the war(s) began.

Unfortunately, NATO has been gutted. It is a waste of an organization. If we have to depend on NATO for anything, we’re f#cked. NATO is a joke.

The fact you think “Denmark is going down for the count” tells me just how ignorant you are to lump them in with the rest of Europe.

What I said, exactly, was, “This is about whether Denmark is going down for the count, as the rest of Europe seems headed … and the US too,” … which says that I still don’t know if Denmark is going down for the count, but I’m watching to see. I hate to break it to you, but I’m not nearly the only one.

I’m going to be in Denmark in 3 weeks AND my husband will be working with NATO in May.

Uh oh. You probably went postal over what I said about NATO just above.

Anecdotal as it is, it give me MORE insight to Denmark and it’s policies than you have.

Why would I be giving you insights into Denmark and its policies? I’m just expressing my opinion.

Get a freaking grip, will ya? Your paranoia is kinda sad.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 5:55 AM

Huh?

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 6:07 AM

Maybe it is time to start mumbling very loudly about the Armenian Genocide. There is no longer any good reason to try to push this heinous act into the background. It was SO “Muslim”, too.

{^_^}

herself on April 6, 2009 at 6:35 AM

Believe what you want about NATO, but they are the only ones in Afghanistan–you know, the war we’re still fighting, that is doing anything. So, your opinion about NATO doesn’t mean jack shite. Besides, my husband’s involvement is on the outside as a vendor, not inside as a participant. So, no, not going postal at all. Sorry.

Now, why Turkey was allowed to join NATO, IMO, that’s another discussion worthy of criticism…

In addition, no you’re not giving me or anyone insights to Denmark and it’s policies because you’ve not even considered the simple fact that internally, it’d be a political catastrophe for Venstre and at the very least, the Jylland’s Posten would be furious–and could print very damaging articles criticizing the reversal of positions. I meant what I wrote in a way that you seem to prefer to display your moral outrage at the perceived betrayal of an ally instead of giving the benefit of the doubt. That’s why I am so perturbed at this entire thread.

As for your “Huh?”, it’s the part about respecting islam being appeasement is pretty sad and paranoid. You’re not going to get many politicians to criticize it outright (I only know of Geert Wilders and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and neither of them are/were heads of state) and if that’s what you’re hoping AFR should’ve done or do, good luck with that. AFR’s job is to get NATO to work together, not cause further conflict.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 6:36 AM

As for your “Huh?”, it’s the part about respecting islam being appeasement is pretty sad and paranoid.

Then tell me one thing about islam that deserves respect. How tough could that be?

You’re not going to get many politicians to criticize it outright

Which is why the West is losing this war.

AFR’s job is to get NATO to work together, not cause further conflict.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 6:36 AM

Letting France back in as full member of NATO signaled NATO’s death.

And NATO doesn’t do all that much in Afghanistan. The US does the work, for the most part. You can call it NATO, but that’s really just an open joke. If the US’ participation were the same as the average NATO member, then there would be nothing going on in Afghanistan.

The West just had its pants pulled down, on the main stage, by North Korea. The whole world saw it. There will be no stopping the enemies of the West, now (which includes the idiot messiah).

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 6:48 AM

progress: I’m done with answering your questions. I gave you answers and your opinions aren’t important to the reality of the situation. Somehow I doubt anything I write will be acceptable, anyway. So, have a great day knowing you still have a strong ally in Denmark even if you think of them as appeasers and their soldiers dying in Afghanistan apparently qualifies as really not “doing all that much”. Good thing they’re not listening to you…

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 6:56 AM

I’ll be thankful proven dead wrong on this one.

And it’ll probably define him as one of the best choices for Nato.

Depending on how much “compensation” Turkey will get to stop feeling “victimized”.

But the sad thing is that it wouldn’t have been the first western leader backtracking on the central part of democracy.

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 AM

And NATO doesn’t do all that much in Afghanistan. The US does the work, for the most part. You can call it NATO, but that’s really just an open joke. If the US’ participation were the same as the average NATO member, then there would be nothing going on in Afghanistan.

The West just had its pants pulled down, on the main stage, by North Korea. The whole world saw it. There will be no stopping the enemies of the West, now (which includes the idiot messiah).

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 6:48 AM

You shouldn’t underestimate what some small countries are doing to support USA, proportionally their doing their share.

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 7:00 AM

You shouldn’t underestimate what some small countries are doing to support USA, proportionally their doing their share.

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 7:00 AM

I’m not. I’m just saying that the US supplies about half of the troops and almost all of the combat troops.

Like I said, letting France back into full membership, after they stabbed us in the back on this exact point once, already, says more about NATO than anything else. I don’t think that NATO can be depended on for much of anything. But, that’s me.

progressoverpeace on April 6, 2009 at 7:11 AM

I’ll be thankful proven dead wrong on this one.

And it’ll probably define him as one of the best choices for Nato.

Depending on how much “compensation” Turkey will get to stop feeling “victimized”.

But the sad thing is that it wouldn’t have been the first western leader backtracking on the central part of democracy.

the_nile on April 6, 2009 at 6:57 AM

I’d be more worried about what Obama–in the name of the US –will do, than the Danes capitulating. His weakness is our biggest danger.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 7:24 AM

Aha: finally a story from one of the original sources:

Turkey should not expect any apologies when NATO’s next Secretary-General and former Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen makes a speech in Istanbul today.

“Listen. In Denmark we do not apologise for having freedom of speech,” Fogh Rasmussen is quoted by Ritzau as saying.

“You all know that a Danish Prime Minister cannot apologise on behalf of a newspaper,” he continues.

The newly-appointed upcoming secretary-general for NATO is in Turkey to speak at a United Nations conference on intercultural dialogue and understanding.

Turkish media
The Turkish media has widely reported that Fogh Rasmussen will issue an apology during his speech today, and that the apology was one concession offered in order to get Turkey to withdraw its opposition to Fogh Rasmussen’s appointment.

But Fogh Rasmussen rejects the assertion.

“We have nothing in the bag,” he is reported as saying.

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/05/rasmussen-to-apologize-to-islamic-world/

HOWEVER, I thought the speech took place. It looks to still be coming, but the story has lost it’s legs for now. We’ll all have to wait and see.

Renwaa on April 6, 2009 at 7:34 AM

So Obama just doesnt bow to Islam he also sucks ?

William Amos on April 5, 2009 at 8:24

Of course, it’s called the head of state.

MaiDee on April 6, 2009 at 7:48 AM

DHIMMIS!

Disturb the Universe on April 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

I’m still waiting for Islam to apologize for not holding a mass suicide of all it’s practitioners.

I’ll be expecting the genocide of all muslims by the end of the day, failure to do so will mean they are heretics who insult my religion and deserve to die.

Vegi on April 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM

The kicker? He’s going to do it in Istanbul Constantinople.

I think it is about time to give this city back to the Greeks.

tommylotto on April 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM

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