Quote of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on April 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
“For a believer like Mohler—a starched, unflinchingly conservative Christian, steeped in the theology of his particular province of the faith, devoted to producing ministers who will preach the inerrancy of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means to eternal life—the central news of the survey was troubling enough: the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent. Then came the point he could not get out of his mind: while the unaffiliated have historically been concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, the report said, ‘this pattern has now changed, and the Northeast emerged in 2008 as the new stronghold of the religiously unidentified.’ As Mohler saw it, the historic foundation of America’s religious culture was cracking.
‘That really hit me hard,’ he told me last week. ‘The Northwest was never as religious, never as congregationalized, as the Northeast, which was the foundation, the home base, of American religion. To lose New England struck me as momentous.’…
Still, in the new NEWSWEEK Poll, fewer people now think of the United States as a ‘Christian nation’ than did so when George W. Bush was president (62 percent in 2009 versus 69 percent in 2008). Two thirds of the public (68 percent) now say religion is ‘losing influence’ in American society, while just 19 percent say religion’s influence is on the rise. The proportion of Americans who think religion ‘can answer all or most of today’s problems’ is now at a historic low of 48 percent. During the Bush 43 and Clinton years, that figure never dropped below 58 percent.”
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Proselytizers are annoying,
Ed should get his own blog.
Ted Torgerson on April 4, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Newsweek is very reliable and non-partisan.
artist on April 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM
absolutely….
religion is dead except that new one…
sven10077 on April 4, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Are Christians or atheists more concerned with that “Christian nation” label?
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM
There is no question this country is not Christian as it was at our Founding. The enforced, leftist curriculum in the Public
EducationIndoctrination Centers, the dumbing down of social discourse and a non-stop program of ‘Political Correctness’ has done a job Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao would be proud of.SeniorD on April 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM
AP is rather lame as an evangelist for atheism. When Ed gets his own blog, I’ll be gone.
Right_of_Attila on April 4, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I was reading somewhere that only about half the people of Iraq go to mosque regularly.
I think the world is becoming more secular, not just the US. Maybe religion is getting a bad name.
I think that is too bad.
Terrye on April 4, 2009 at 9:42 PM
The Pacific Northwest – “unaffiliated”? Not even close.
The Pacific Northwest – un-”congregationalized”? – You bet.
Affiliated does not equate to following the sheep mentality of most organized – congregationalized – religion.
Hal-9000 on April 4, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Right:
Ed had his own blog. He gave it up.
Terrye on April 4, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Meacham had a boner the entire time he was typing his article. I wish he would get a nose job, though. That honker of his is terrifying.
Blake on April 4, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Ed wanted to work with MM, this is NOT working with MM in the way I’d have imagined it in Ed’s shoes….
sven10077 on April 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM
this is just another sign of the times…the apostasy must come. along with a deluding influence…and so many people are deluded these days..
anybody thinks the US is a ‘christian’ nation is dreaming. it hasn’t been that for a long long time…
right4life on April 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM
People who stop believing in God will start believeing in anything….like hope and change, maybe?
RobCon on April 4, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Sadly, it is probably going to take a major catastrophe to bring religion back in a major way. A flu pandemic that begins to take people’s children, antibiotic resistant bacteria, maybe one large volcanic eruption that results in a June frost killing the North American grain crop … people tend to find religion when things are hard.
I believe these numbers are just a sign that things are great and we don’t have much to worry about.
crosspatch on April 4, 2009 at 9:45 PM
That’s because for most of those people, religion has nothing to do with one’s relationship to a higher power/creator.
Riposte on April 4, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I love how they have to publish this article Easter week.
Blake on April 4, 2009 at 9:49 PM
People, we DO NOT have to agree on theology in order to agree politically. Conservatism will survive with or without Christianity despite the proclamations of many commenters here.
Zetterson on April 4, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Eh. I stopped believing in god a long time ago, but I’ll never believe in Obarrassment.
flipflop on April 4, 2009 at 9:49 PM
The same may be said in bringing America back from the ultra extremes of the far left.
Hal-9000 on April 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM
normally, I’d agree….but these are not normal times. if you read revelation, the thing that strikes me the most is that when horrible things happen to these people, they don’t ask for God’s mercy, they curse Him….
right4life on April 4, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Your sense of humor is refreshing.
thomasaur on April 4, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I think conservatism is pretty much done as a political force in this country…given the demographics, the invasion of illegals….soon to be legal…its game, set and match…
right4life on April 4, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I question……….
………… the timing.
Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM
we’ve been counted out before…the key to our possible doom is the moonbat NEA indoctrination in the multi-cult….
when people look at themselves as individuals they make cold logical decisions on economic risk, when certain groups are encouraged to feel aggrieved they can fall prey to magic thinking easier.
sven10077 on April 4, 2009 at 9:55 PM
By the way………..
……… has Mr. Teleprompter and Lt. (one who should not be mentioned or ridiculed) found a place of worship in Washington yet?
Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2009 at 9:57 PM
You have to remember, a.pundit is not that intelligent when it comes to religion. He still doesn’t understand that “Allah” is the word for God to Christian Arabs.
TTheoLogan on April 4, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Allah, you keep pimping this stupid statistic like a 2 cent whore but the truth is that most of that growth happened in the 90s, and in the last decade or so it slowed to a crawl. You’re about as honest as michael moore when it comes to this.
Darth Executor on April 4, 2009 at 9:59 PM
People are just unwilling to declare their religious devotion to Obama. Even AP has apparently converted, based on his threat to ban anyone who insults Michelle the Beloved.
malclave on April 4, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Once the economy craters, people will be flocking to religion like you wouldn’t believe.
TTheoLogan on April 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM
This post is not prosyletizing in the vein of LGF taking Darwinism to the death.
It should stimulate debate.
Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.
-Ronald Reagan
Valiant on April 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM
You bet – At the feet of Waters, Frank, Dodd, Reed, Pelosi, Soros,et al.
Hal-9000 on April 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Religion is a cyclical thing. Liberals think they can kill it – so did the Romans … ah well.
When religion dies – human kind dies. Our entire existence is grounded in at least the “belief” that there is a higher power. If there is not a higher power – than … we are animals. If we are animals – why not behave like them? Why not grab everything from this life that we can possible grab? Why not lie, steal, cheat – why … even murder is an acceptable act if there is not God to punish you.
So when things get so bad … when we hit rock bottom – religion will return. How do I know this? I know this because I used to be an atheist. What changed me was serving on a nuclear submarine during the cold war in the 80′s. We were at deep depth … and experienced flooding of a fairly serious magnitude. I didn’t panic … I was trained to take certain action – which I took in an almost robotic fashion. I knew I was going to die … there was not a doubt in my mind and …
I prayed. I prayed for survival. And you know what …
ALL HUMANS DO IN THAT SITUATION – matters not if they are an atheist – they get converted fast. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
Religion cannot be killed. Though silly liberals think they can kill it.
HondaV65 on April 4, 2009 at 10:00 PM
What!?!?!? When did this occur? Is calling her “Worfwoman” an insult?
SouthernGent on April 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM
No it won’t. Look at some statistics. Apart from Christians, every religion (including atheism) are hardcore liberals.
Darth Executor on April 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Please do not feed the cons.
getalife on April 4, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Yes, see this post.
Valiant on April 4, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Islam is not a very liberal religion.
thomasaur on April 4, 2009 at 10:05 PM
What I am more interested in is weather or not this is an indication that people are abandoning their faith and beliefs or are they just abandoning organised religion?
For example whilst I have Christian beliefs and follow the Christan faith I do not believe in organized religion nor the authority of any particular church. I search for my own personal truths rather than following the theocratic doctrine and religious dogma of others.
Dreadnought223 on April 4, 2009 at 10:06 PM
she who shall not be insulted may ONLY be called a “moron” when warranted…
this is now a Michelle Obama Wildlife Preserve….
Chimpy for Bush was somehow “not racial” in a way it is to call MO a Klingon or something….
don’t ask I don’t follow either….
sven10077 on April 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM
AMEN
Organized religion is a colossal waste of time, money and energy.
Hal-9000 on April 4, 2009 at 10:09 PM
http://www.newser.com/story/55317/sick-of-compromise-christian-right-drops-politics.html
getalife on April 4, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I agree with your first statement, but am having difficulty with the second.
Perhaps I have forgotten, but I can think of no countries with a dominant conservative politics that are not also dominated by either Christians or Jews.
Examples, please anyone.
Loxodonta on April 4, 2009 at 10:11 PM
This caught my eye. Here’s another quote in the same vein from a very famous person.
Anyone identify the author?
Oldnuke on April 4, 2009 at 10:12 PM
This mentality just blows my mind. What possible motive do you have to try to convince people that they actually support Obama?
galenrox on April 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Do people find religion in ‘Depressions’?
nolapol on April 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM
This just shows how idiotic most polling is these days. Asking people whether “religion ‘can answer all or most of today’s problems’” is stupid. As a committed Christian for many years, I would probably not have the faintest idea how to answer that question without some clarification (which the interviewer would certainly not give). My car needs a new transmission soon – should I spend the money to replace it or buy a new car? Should we up the bid on the house, or just back out and keep paying rent? Should I take the job at the factory or keep going after the economics degree? Should we let our daughter take the student loan or make her wait another year to save up for college? Can we really afford to replace the carpet in the living room or should we wait?
“Religion” doesn’t answer these questions. And anyone suggesting that it should has a warped viewed of faith, IMhO. “Religion” isn’t some sort of magic shake-em ball that says “yes” or “no” to specific questions of the day. It informs people’s world view and gives people a framework for making decisions, but it doesn’t “answer problems,” any more than the concepts of liberty and republican government enshrined in our founding documents “answer” the question of what we should do about the problems in Afghanistan or Iran.
That said, the fact that almost half of the people in America supposedly think that religion can “answer all or most of today’s problems” is a testament to the importance of religion in our nation’s life it seems to me. Is there any other thing that could be substituted for “religion” in asking this question that would achieve even a significant fraction of that result? I doubt it.
jdp629 on April 4, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Huh? Most jews are hardcore liberals. Israel fights because unlike france it has actual enemies shooting and launching missiles at it. Otherwise it would be a weenie state just like europe.
Darth Executor on April 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM
A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein
BTW, HondaV65, thanks for reminding me, as I had almost forgotten. Tonight is the first Saturday of the month when I and all the other godless heathens at Hotair get together at midnight to go on yet another one of our vile, pillaging, raping, murdering rampages.
MB4 on April 4, 2009 at 10:18 PM
And still they studiously avoid reading and digesting the Koran.
All of this is dithering while Moloch ries.
profitsbeard on April 4, 2009 at 10:20 PM
This is not a Christian nation.
http://jgapinoy.blogspot.com/2007/05/good-ol-usa-not-christian-country.html
jgapinoy on April 4, 2009 at 10:20 PM
A couple of things. First, “Christian nation” id probably an oxymoron anyway. We can talk about a nation in which a majority of citizens describes itself as “Christian”, but I don’t think there ever has been a “Christian nation”. Christianity is about individual faith, not a socio-economic or political program.
Secondly, Christians can look at “declining numbers” and say “So what?”. Christians don’t usually seek validation in poll numbers anyway.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:21 PM
no Christians can’t look at declining numbers & say so what. churches & parishes & dioceses must be supported too. clergy must be paid. unless you are living in global warming la-la land,you need heat on Easter Sunday.
kelley in virginia on April 4, 2009 at 10:23 PM
The pacific northwest Liberals are so incompetent, that they have not only driven away jobs & business, but they have also lost the title of the most “Godless” area of the country.
Damn them.
portlandon on April 4, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Yes, I know about Israeli socialism. I would still like an example of any politically, economically & socially conservative country that is not Christian.
Loxodonta on April 4, 2009 at 10:24 PM
We know that far more good is done by devoted Christians than by devoted atheists, & far more evil is done by devoted atheists than by devoted Christians.
jgapinoy on April 4, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Clarification.
Does the country have to exist today?
Define the parameters of conservatism that you’d accept in the answer.
Oldnuke on April 4, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I thought Islam was the fastest growing religion in the US.
Or maybe that was Wicca…. anyway…
Kini on April 4, 2009 at 10:29 PM
meh. so long as being a “christian nation” means believing that humanity is central to the purpose of the universe, we’ll be an imperfect nation. an imperfect world really. and its not about who’s prophets are right and whose are wrong, whose coded laws are better or more important…its about believing our existence is central to all existence…that we’re the ones “made in God’s image”…the universe is far too vast, existence far too mysterious, for us to walk around with the delusion that our species is of special importance by default. by some gift of our birth we’re special and sacred. we’ll only be an important blot on the universal timeline if we decide to make something of ourselves. so long as we get over ourselves as “children of God” and start measuring ourselves by our performance as per our potential. its our potential thats sacred…not our birthright or anything.
ernesto on April 4, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Don’t forget that the libs have the children for indoctrination everyday…this has gone on for several generations. I fear that you are correct…game, set, match!
jwp1964 on April 4, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Churches and parishes and dioceses existed and flourished in spite of being publicly tortured to death, exiled, ostracized and other things. If they can’t hunker down under financial stress in a free society, then there’s some soul-searching to do.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:31 PM
When they start to feed Christians to the Lions, then I’ll believe that.
Kini on April 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Obama. Obama. Obama.
Sorry. Caught me when I was doing my nightly chanting to Teh One.
/sarc
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM
The years of confusing faith with politics have taken their toll on both. For many Americans, the most prominent Christians are known more for their political activities than their religious activities. Needless to say, this hasn’t done much for Christianity’s reputation.
RightOFLeft on April 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Ernie there are some fellas with rusty knives and gleams in their eyes that want to talk to you bub….
sven10077 on April 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM
What “potential”? Our potential to be something or do something It’s meaningless anyway, right? This sounds like regurgitated existentialism.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM
The (generic) term Christian was literally meaningless at the founding. It was a pitched battle between Protestant religions. Every state was in fact a religious monolith, and each state was based on a different branch of protestant religion. Thinking that their Christianity gave them something in common is quite laughable. Religious tolerance was only contemplated to apply at the Federal level to accommodate coexistence between the States. The guarantee of free movement was deemed far more important as it would allow you to go where the religion suited you. You had three choices back then; Get with the (local) program, or Shut up and get along, or get out. The Founders would look upon the political correctness of today and consider it madness, and as usual they’d be right.
Pole-Cat on April 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM
“Does the country have to exist today?”
YES
“Define the parameters of conservatism that you’d accept in the answer.”
I’m open too all possible definitions, except the liberal caricature of a military junta.
Loxodonta on April 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Actually they are not having kids in any self sustaining numbers. That is why they are trying to shut down home schooling. They need a pool of children to draw from but they don’t want the responsibility of parenting as they indoctrinate our youth.
thomasaur on April 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM
So did they give them options like UFOologist, Environmentalist, or Obamist?
I don’t think that the majority of these people are now studiously atheist. They’ve just found a new religion of sorts that they don’t want to call by that name.
18-1 on April 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Enough of this sensless Ed(post) Allah(post) violence this is how Big and Tuc assumed room temp dog!
EricPWJohnson on April 4, 2009 at 10:38 PM
You may believe that but I don’t see how you can possibly prove it. It would be a little difficult to quantify all the evil in the world and then split it up by religion.
Oldnuke on April 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM
@ right4life on April 4, 2009 at 9:53 PM
You will be right is conservatism is continued to be defined as anti abortion, anti gay, pro christianity, etc. The party needs to be generic so that all sorts of groups grab onto its message. Social conservatives have been alienating this party for too long.
thphilli on April 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM
But it’s usually the atheist’s claim that religion is a positive harm to humanity. Of course, there was the Abolition movement (with Christian roots), and I have yet to see an Atheist Association Homeless Shelter, for example. Not saying there isn’t one, they just don’t seem to be very common.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM
FIFY
Kini on April 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM
and by what measure do we baseline potential, whos opinion should we regard as infallible?
dmann on April 4, 2009 at 10:43 PM
OT: “We’re hearing that the [North Korean] missile has been launched.”
RD on April 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Well there you go Allah. I guess it won’t be to long before you are enjoying that “wonderful” day when from sea to shining sea, the nation will be illuminated with the fires consuming your most hated religious artifacts.
By the way Allah, do you atheist have a universal symbol? If not, may I suggest a tropical fruit?
RMR on April 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM
This is my quote of the year …
KING: We do have 300 million people. You can be individuals as much as you like — but somebody’s gotta think for the masses.
DannoJyd on April 4, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Atheists aren’t very common.
RightOFLeft on April 4, 2009 at 10:45 PM
RD on April 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Lets hope…..
dmann on April 4, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Ok, how about Singapore?
Oldnuke on April 4, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Something that even the harden atheist will pray to God for
Kini on April 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM
North Korea just launched their missile.
Guardian on April 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Since you are so quick to judge………..
…….. what do you believe in?
Love?
Faith?
Morality?
Justice?
Truth?
Honesty?
Respect?
Humility?
Compassion?
Forgiveness?
Knowledge?
Reward for hard work?
The shining light of Love in my son’s eyes, as I take responsibility as a parent?
Personal responsibility as a citizen of the United States of America and what it was founded upon?
What do you “Believe….”?
Better yet……….
……… tell me what your leader, Mr. Teleprompter believes in, and what you agree with?
I doubt you have the courage to be honest with yourself, let alone your ability to express it……….
You deserve everything that is coming to you……….
………. and you don’t even know it.
Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Agreed. However, officially state atheist countries have had a uniformly very bad run over the past 90 odd years of their existence.
Loxodonta on April 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM
And the basis for your conservatism is what, exactly? The worth of the individual? Individual responsibility? Balanced budgets? It’s all intermingled. Or is it a collectivism that will embrace whatever is fashionable at the moment? If the party is “generic”, what’s the dividing line with liberals?
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM
@ ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM
You don’t believe in the boogie man, how many times do you meet with your lack of belief in boogie man group? You don’t believe the moon is made of cheese, how many times do you meet with your dairy moon group? My point is, atheists are not an organized group, because having a lack of a belief in something very rarely leeds to a unified group. The reason you don’t see atheist homeless shelters, is that atheists don’t get together as a group, we do things as individuals. Its not as if there is a church of atheism where we all meet and get our marching orders from.
thphilli on April 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Coming from Newsweek, I dunno what to make of their report. I read all four pages of their mush and most of it is rambling nonsense. I get who did the study, but four pages of Newsweek’s mush and just one guy in the bible belt to refute all of it makes the whole article a partisan wet dream.
My comment on this thread…? – While the atheist/agnostic’s numbers have grown, there is still a massive percentage more who do claim an affiliation with religion. For those that don’t, or may have at one time and no longer do, there may be any number of reasons for the decline. For quick example:
The “overreaching” of the religious right, which may have pushed too hard on issues like creationism, abortion and gay marriage while this country took a hard and dramatic left turn in this most recent election and in the prior election where the Democrats won a majority in Congress. It has turned people off and has made a mockery of level headed believers in Christ and our eternal life to come.
The recent and still ever-present priest sex scandals in the Catholic Church that drove away many regulars and turned many other non-Catholics off to religion.
The migration of Americans to the West, where religion just isn’t as important as it is back East or in the South. The “Left Coast” has been an enclave of liberals for decades and it grows every year with the westerly migration. “When in Rome; Do as the Romans do” and the transplants join the Sierra Club and Green Peace and forget about the church, and why they attended, back home.
The trend towards late marriage. Most marriages used to take place in a religious context with young or very young couples, and, once wed, those couples joined a house of worship and their offspring follow suit, for generations. Or they were already regulars at church as their parents and grand parents before them. Now, with Gay Marriage and older Heterosexual couples, who just want to get hitched, going to the Justice of the Peace is the preference. Or for those who want a quickie marriage but with a resemblence to a traditional marriage they can go to Las Vegas, but the staying-power of the religious aspect is lost.
Then there’s the rise in immigration. While some immigrants do seek out religious communities, many are running away from places with too much religion and don’t affiliate once they land in America. Their memorys of their homeland religious fervor or some other distasteful aspect of it lends their new found freedom here some sort of new found ‘courage’ to say ‘no’ to religion because of their past unpleasant experiences in their homelands. Along the same vein, though, some come here for religious freedom. To be Christians here when in their homelands they might have been persecuted for being Christian.
The numbers of atheists and agnostics compared to the numbers of people who affirm a religious affiliation in America has an enormous gap between them still in any event.
I’m with some of the rest of you. I wish Ed would get his own blog again. He doesn’t push either way, albeit, he has let us know where his feelings lie on the subject. But I’m not sure why Charles Johnson Jr. chose this as the ‘Quote of the Day’ though, if not to push his personal agenda. Considering the source, it’s hardly quote worthy as far as ‘facts’ and ‘polls’ goes.
SilverStar830 on April 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM
MB4 on April 4, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I’m busy tonight. I promise to rape and pillage doubly hard next month.
Krydor on April 4, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Increasingly common, according to the polls.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Wow…maddening.
SouthernGent on April 4, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Well, Christians are individuals as well, without a strictly held set of beliefs. But it’s easy to say what you don’t believe in; it’s a little more risky to say what you do believe in, and provide some sort of justification for it.
Was the Marquis de Sade wrong? Why? Or why not?
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM
@ ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Fiscal conservatism, conservatism on foreign policy, small government. Why does a party need more than that? Let groups have lots of add ons, but let the party remain concentrated around a core of principles. Reduce the size of government, reduce the burden on taxpayers, balance budgets, no deficits, conservative foreign policy where we don’t get involved in every countries business. That is a message that would sell to the American people. When we have a party that is run by people who are anti-gay, anti-abortion, the party gets defined as such, and people who have differing opinions on those issues are not going to be a part of it. There is a giant portion of this country that is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. We don’t even offer them a semblance of a choice, because the little that we still preach about fiscal conservatism hasn’t been in practice by a conservative president in 30 years.
thphilli on April 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM
By “strictly held”, I mean a set of beliefs that all Christians hold in common, without variation.
ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Right, people get really religious when their lives are threatened. Like the saying that ‘there are no atheists in foxholes’.
docdave on April 4, 2009 at 10:54 PM
If Christianity is gone from this country, you might as well kiss conservatism goodbye. yes, there are some that don’t believe in religion that are conservatives; however, I believe they are few and far between.
deidre on April 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM
oh please, we had your type of ‘conservatism’ with mccain…yeah that was a real winner there wasn’t it?
without social conservatism, there is no conservatism.
not anti-abortion…anti-killing unborn babies…
not anti-gay rather pro freedom, which the gay movement is all about ending.
right4life on April 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM
@ ddrintn on April 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Atheists don’t hold universal views. Atheism isnt a set of beliefs, just a lack of belief in God. This is always forgotten by people on here, on purpose of course, to argue points.
thphilli on April 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM
……… tell me what your leader, Mr. Teleprompter believes in, and what you agree with?
Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Kini on April 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM
That’s “rape, loot, pillage, burn” – in that order. This time, let’s try to get it right?
Rusty Bill on April 4, 2009 at 10:57 PM
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