Video: The Mexican gun canard

posted at 10:53 am on April 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

We probably can discount any mathematical calculations made by the Barack Obama administration after we discovered that they overstated the TARP funds by a hundred billion dollars, but consider this just an extra data point. The Obama administration, including Hillary Clinton, have tried floating the notion that 90% of all firearms captured by Mexican officials in drug busts come from the US. Fox News reports exclusively that those statistics rely on a completely dishonest manipulation:

There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one:

It’s just not true.

In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

What’s the actual number? It looks closer to 17%. Only a third of all weapons captured by Mexican officials actually get referred to the US for a trace. Of those, only about half can be traced at all, and 90% of those get confirmed as US sourced.

As Fox explains, this makes a lot of sense. Mexico has a flood of black-market arms coming from around the world — Russia, China, Central and South America. In fact, one of the big sellers in the Mexican black market is the Mexican Army. They had 150,000 deserters over the last six years, most of whom took their standard-issue, Belgian-made M-16 rifles with them.

So why make up the lie? The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons. Public statements like those made by Hillary Clinton certainly put pressure on the US to take some sort of action, if we’re admitting to being the problem. So far, the Obama administration has not proposed a solution to this mythical problem, but we will want to keep a very close eye when they do.


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The campaign was based on lies.

Obama is a media construct.

We should not expect the lying to stop now.

artist on April 3, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Truth is for the little people, Ogabe is busy making history so shut yer yaps.

Can you see the foundation being laid for taking the guns and ammo, for disarming the public before the REALLY egregious policies start hitting America? These aholes understand the threat that armed Americans pose to their plans on dominating us, and they are taking steps to remove that threat.

Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM

MSNBC and CNN are going to be all over this and I expect front page coverage from the NYT too! /sarc

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM

The lying liars and the lies they speak.

becki51758 on April 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM

The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons.

No , never.

the_nile on April 3, 2009 at 11:00 AM

frankly, if Americans are gullible enough to buy this paticular distortion they deserve what they get in the end.

the idea that Mexican gangs are buying American guns, legally, then going back to wonderful Mexico to be thugs and transport drugs is about as Absurd as it gets.

the fact Obama/Hillary would try this is scary though. It would be one thing to argue from a more truthful positon to do this, but to go to this extremem of dishonesty is scary.

jp on April 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM

all the Bilderberger Conspiracy theories are in over drive at the moment

even on Fox, Oreily and Dick Morris are on the one world government side now. Not that, something along those lines isnt forming at the moment, but the killing off of 3/4s of worlds population is absurd.

jp on April 3, 2009 at 11:03 AM

The Obama administration is very anti 2nd Amendment. As their mantra so far has been “A crisis is an opportunity for us to seize control and power,” so this will prove to be an opportunity for them to seize yet more power and control over the populace.

They will seize private arms and put laws in place outlawing private ownership all in the name of public safety.

We are the new Venezuela and Obama is Hugo Chavez.

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Yep, just like their inflated number about how many Americans don’t have ‘health care’. All Americans, and illegal immigrants for that matter, have access to health care. No one is ever turned down for medical treatment. The illegals use the emergency rooms here in Texas for anything from a toothache to a common cold to get medicine. (The Austin-American Statesman just published a story about 9 people who made +/- 2,500 visits to ERs in a 6 year period at the cost of $3 million.) Semantics. Instead of calling it what it is, health insurance, they purposely skew the term to hoodwink people. But they don’t leave it at that, they also inflate the number of those without health insurance in this country by millions. There are many people that choose not to have health insurance; I was 28 years old before I ever had it.

carbon_footprint on April 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Obama would have everyone believe that you don’t need a weapon in a “worker’s paradise”.

GarandFan on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I’m not sure they are lying on this. I am leaning towards them just being too stupid to understand the numbers.

Buford on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Simple solution: Secure the border, so guns can’t go south and drugs and people can’t come north.

Obama Administration solution: Restrict gun rights and pass ‘immigration regorm’.

BadgerHawk on April 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Obama, Hillary, and Holder:

This is a crisis… and its Fukken Golden. And they aren’t going to let it go to waste

karasoth on April 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM

It is no surprise to me their guns come from abroad.
Why buy here when the Russians, Chinese, etc govts are ready & willing to arm countries right outside our back door?
Selling major assault weapons to these people makes it far easier to take down the US in a more detached way.
Gun control advocates are just playing into their hands.
I am afraid our peashooters may not be enough to resist the flood of weapons that may soon bombard us.
Red Dawn?

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:11 AM

You have to demonize something horribly to get the American People to fall in line for yet another erosion of their Constitutional Rights. There is only one reasonable explanation for the administration to be spinning the violence down there in this manner. It’s a setup for the next gun ban.

People thought the backlash for FICA was ugly. Watch what happens in this country when they try to take guns. And if the get them, forget it. We’re through.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 11:12 AM

I never knew why Mexican gangsters would even want semi-auto firearms bought at retail prices in the States when they could get full-auto from overseas and the black market of stolen/smuggled/redirected guns.

Frozen Tex on April 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:11 AM

WOLVERIIIIIINES!!!

Frozen Tex on April 3, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I’m thinking about a part-time job as a ‘Used Car Salesman’…anyone know any democrats that they can steer my way?

JoeySlippers on April 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM

So why make up the lie? The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons.

And, the less conspiratorial, yet more logical, may conclude that this claptrap about traffic FROM the US into Mexico requiring resources and a vast Federal commitment at the border is just a smoke screen to avoid controlling the real problem — traffic from Mexico INTO the US! This way Democrats can falsely claim they are concerned and dedicated to controlling the open border, while not alienating the illegal alien vote. Ta Daaaaaa.

littleguy on April 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Seriously, does cherry picking stats for near Orwellian conclusions by the current administration surprise anyone?

I thought not.

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Obama would have everyone believe that you don’t need a weapon in a “worker’s paradise”.

GarandFan on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Where weapons are forbidden one should always go armed.

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:17 AM

This morning I heard two reports on NPR that quoted the 90% figure as gospel.

muggedbyreality on April 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM

What do you expect from the Left?

We are in an epic battle between two worlds. One believes in the objective rules of truth, the other recognizes no truth, it recognizes only feeling, brute force, will.

But the leftist world knows it must confront the established order in a way that slips past the radar; it must confront the established order on its own rational terms.

So he cynically says things that sound perfectly reasonable, buttressing it all with facts and figures, sounding authoritative, like a college professor, or an encyclopedia. Yet he lies. He says that a million women are murdered on Super Bowl Sunday. He says there are 20 million homeless people. He says that the US troops murdered over a billion innocent Iraqis.

Who the hell is going to stop him? He owns the media.

And when he gets caught in his lie, he nuances it to death, and shouts down his opponents.

These sociopaths are winning, my friends because nobody in power has the courage to confront them, to hold them accountable for their systematic assault on America, nobody has the courage or the know-how to shut them down.

jeff_from_mpls on April 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Where/when did you go to Nuke School and what are you up to these days?

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Posted on Free Republic:

These are full auto weapons – for the most part illegal in the states, except for the military and police forces.

If they can be traced, as stated, then with our highly regulated system, they should easily find the gun store or FFL where they originated.

The FACT that they are NOT doing so – i.e. Sending storm troopers into gun shops and FFL’s all over the place (90% BS and all), PROVES the Ocrap administration is LYING through there teeth about this right?

Of course, a Logical argument is beyond the comprehension of the Leftards

SeanTate5 on April 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I wonder if Hillary is going to try to find out if those were United States guns that were used in her “heavy sniper fire” incident!! Inquiring minds want to know…

Dire Straits on April 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM

This morning I heard two reports on NPR that quoted the 90% figure as gospel.

muggedbyreality on April 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Yup. During pledge drive week. One reason why I don’t pledge any more.

rbj on April 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM

The basic M16 series rifles used by the US military are not Belgian made. They are made by a Belgian company in South Carolina; FN.
And they are not a standard weapon for the Mexican Army, who uses mostly HK G3s or that funny new HK G36 rip off. Their SF does use M4s, probably made by Colt. Mexican police, federal and local, do use a variety of M16 type weapons though.

The cops are supposed to be more corrupt than the military, so I figure most of the AR-15 type guns are coming from there.

Spade on April 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I’m not sure they are lying on this. I am leaning towards them just being too stupid to understand the numbers.

Buford on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

If you think for one moment that this much collective stupidity had enough smarts to get into power but not enough to run with their agenda, you need to open your eyes.

GrayDog on April 3, 2009 at 11:25 AM

This morning I heard two reports on NPR that quoted the 90% figure as gospel.

muggedbyreality on April 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Well now! That is shocking news. They’re usually so unbiased…..Snort, cackle, guffaw. Just can’t say that with a straight face.

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:25 AM

WOLVERIIIIIINES!!!

Frozen Tex on April 3, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Heh!
I need to come up with one for our bunch.
The local school Wildfire seems real lame.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:25 AM

muggedbyreality on April 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Well as long as NPR said it! It must be true!

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I knew that figure was crap the moment I heard it. But most people have no clue what the process is to purchase a firearm from a dealer. The logistical issues involved in purchasing guns from shops in the US is daunting.

On a personal note, I keep hoping that ammo stocks improve soon. You cannot purchase ammunition in many parts of the US…it’s just not available. I’m down to overpriced reloads at the moment. Surplus isn’t even a possibility.

Asher on April 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Buford on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

They are not stupid. They just don’t care about their accuracy bcs NO ONE calls them on it. And when we do, it’s swept under the rug.
BO depends upon that.
Americans are so very notorious for being apathetic.
See where it’s gotten us?

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM

These sociopaths are winning, my friends because nobody in power has the courage to confront them, to hold them accountable for their systematic assault on America, nobody has the courage or the know-how to shut them down.

jeff_from_mpls on April 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM

People who know the truth don’t have access to the media, since “they” own the media!

What we need is a Soros who is able to buy up air time.

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 11:29 AM

90% of those get confirmed as US sourced.

Out of that 90%, how many were sold to the Mexican government for their military and police forces? They traced where they were made and who the manufacturer is, but they don’t state who actually bought these weapons from the US manufacturers. My guess is 90% of these were actually sold to the Mexican government before the drug dealers got their hands on them.

JeffinSac on April 3, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it. The target does not necessarily have to a person, it can be a law or policy that you wish to get rid of. If you have firearms I suggest that you get vocal now before it’s too late. If you can get one off of the grid I suggest you do so. These people don’t care about your rights and if you think that they do, God help you.

thomasaur on April 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Surplus isn’t even a possibility.

Asher on April 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM

This had worried me, also. I got a lotta guns, but no bullets.
Which is why I commented earlier: will our pea shooters really be able to provide the resistance needed when it comes down to a revolution?
Whatever revolution happens, it will not be a bloodless one, pea shooters or not.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM

“A” and Nuke School in Orlando. Prototype on MARF in Ballston Spa. NFAS class 9350, NPS and NPTU class 9403. Currently I’m unemployed, and looking for a job. :(

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I don’t pledge any more.

rbj on April 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Bless you.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM

When Mexican gangs smuggle illegal drugs into our country, the Obama administration blames…Americans for buying the drugs.

When Mexican gangs smuggle illegal guns into Mexico, the Obama administration blames…Americans for having ‘lax’ gun laws.

They’re not being hypocritical or inconsistent. They consistently take the side against Americans on every international issue.

Socratease on April 3, 2009 at 11:33 AM

And, the less conspiratorial, yet more logical, may conclude that this claptrap about traffic FROM the US into Mexico requiring resources and a vast Federal commitment at the border is just a smoke screen to avoid controlling the real problem — traffic from Mexico INTO the US! This way Democrats can falsely claim they are concerned and dedicated to controlling the open border, while not alienating the illegal alien vote. Ta Daaaaaa.

littleguy on April 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Good thinking. I think it’s a bit of that and a whole lot of gun grab. Add to the mix that there might simply be a feeling that the circumstances in Mexico reflect poorly on Latinos in general and it’s a natural reaction by the left to assuage these feelings by making whites or white-America culpable. Especially when it’s the unspoken top item on the Democrats agenda to expedite the demographic majority change in the US and amnesty will be back on the front burner real soon.

Buddahpundit on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Truth is not the issue. The issue is gun control. The MSM is in favor of gun control. They will only present reasons for this side of the issue. The new media if such a thing exists does not reach the masses of the people that vote issues. It is a propaganda problem. More outlets are the defining factor in winning the masses. Outlets such as this one attract only the choirs from the right and from the left hardly enough to reach only a fraction of what the MSM reaches. You might as well be in a dark closet late at night talking to yourself.

rsl775 on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

No mention of the arms that Hugo is sending in, either.

Vashta.Nerada on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Really? What was your rating and where are you located?

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

all the Bilderberger Conspiracy theories are in over drive at the moment

even on Fox, Oreily and Dick Morris are on the one world government side now. Not that, something along those lines isnt forming at the moment, but the killing off of 3/4s of worlds population is absurd.

jp on April 3, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Population control is a huge part of the program. Killing off 3/4s, I don’t know about that, but all you have to do is listen Clintons advisor Nina Fedoroff:

There are already too many people living on Planet Earth, according to one of most influential science advisors in the US government.

Nina Fedoroff told the BBC One Planet programme that humans had exceeded the Earth’s “limits of sustainability”.

Eugenics was very popular in the early part of the 20th century, Hitler took it into overdrive and gave it the negative stigma it deserved but the eugenicists never went away, they simply went underground. Much like the Socialist party integrated primarily into the Democrat party, the eugenicists integrated into think tanks and universities. What do you think the global warming movement is all about? It’s about regulation of lives and population control.

It’s all mainstream now, all it takes is a little research and putting the pieces of the puzzle together. It’s so obvious. I don’t know what number the elites are shooting for but Kissinger did a classified study in 1974 that was released in 1989. Kissinger is a huge globalist and wants to sell our country to the banking cartel.

Assisted suicide, Peter Singer infanticide, partial birth abortions, birth control, what more evidence do you need? Population control is mainstream.

Eugenics is alive and well.

True_King on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

This had worried me, also. I got a lotta guns, but no bullets.
Which is why I commented earlier: will our pea shooters really be able to provide the resistance needed when it comes down to a revolution?
Whatever revolution happens, it will not be a bloodless one, pea shooters or not.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Learn to make your own.

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM

The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons.

Ed, how is that conspiratorial while they’re simultaneously trying to renew the Assault Weapons Ban and push through HR45 to create a national registry of those who own firearms?

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Why is arithmetic important here, when it isn’t when finding fault with “38% of GOP”?

The other libs don’t have much on you, do they?

lsheldon on April 3, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Only 17%; man am I disappointed. Doesn’t “Made in America” mean anything anymore? We need a bailout for the for the illegal arms industry. Bring jobs back to America.

Tommy_G on April 3, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Ed, first of all THANK YOU for posting this…..

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM

A full and thorough inventory of Mexican military arsenals would be an interesting bit of information methinks.

Let alone all the black market sources to get firearms.

Why on earth would Mexican drug cartels want to go through the hassle and expense of buying guns legally here in the U.S.?

Yakko77 on April 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM

duh. if they’re importing drugs from all over the world, i get have the suspicion that they know where to get a few guns.

cpr on April 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Ed, how is that conspiratorial while they’re simultaneously trying to renew the Assault Weapons Ban and push through HR45 to create a national registry of those who own firearms?

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Don’t forget about the microstamping legislation being mulled about right now. And Doyle trying to almost quadruple the fee for a background check too.

BadgerHawk on April 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Socratease on April 3, 2009 at 11:33 AM

What you state here is very important. When Americans buy Mexican drugs its Americans fault,but when Mexicans buy American weapons its American’s fault. Why are we always the bad guys to this administration?

Mexico has laws doesnt it? America has laws dont we? Why are we not enforcing our own anti-drug and illegal immigration laws? The guns and drugs DO NOT carry themselves over the border! Our uniformed officers are being forced by this administration to literally to ignore the laws of our nation whilst those laws have not been judged unconstitutional by SCOTUS. Do the states have the will and the power to override the administration’s decree on illegal immigrant raids? How can we the people exert enough pressure on our state representatives to establish the states sovereignity?

canditaylor68 on April 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Census Bureau: We’ll Work with ‘Community Organizations’ to Count All Illegal Aliens in 2010

Rovin on April 3, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Don’t forget about the microstamping legislation being mulled about right now. And Doyle trying to almost quadruple the fee for a background check too.

BadgerHawk on April 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM

I called Spencer Black and left him the question: “What’s going to stop someone from grabbing a handful of microstamped brass casings from a firing range, killing someone, picking up their brass and leaving mine, misleading investigators and ultimately slowing down the investigative and forensic processes of catching him for his crime?”

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Figures dont Lie !!!!
Liars Figure !!!!!!!!

10AC on April 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM

What………?

……… the actual TRUTH coming out of the media?

Seven Percent Solution on April 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Why start telling the truth now? Lies have worked, and continue to work. If the MSM won’t report the lies, why not just keep pushing?
Changing tactics now, could spell disaster…they can’t afford to start telling the truth.

right2bright on April 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM

There are TWO BIG LIES working here.

The first is that US guns are causing the problems in Mexico.

The second is that the Assault Weapons Ban will solve the problem.

I’ll take the second point first.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is pledging further effort to help Mexico in its anti-drugs campaign.

Mrs Clinton said the use of military-style assault weapons was a particular concern, and she would discuss reimposing a ban on their sale.

A previous US decision to lift a ban on such sales had been a mistake, she told the NBC television network.

Hearing Clinton’s statement I wondered what happened to the Mexican Murder rate after the 1994 ban expired in 2004.

I did a little research (ie google) and this is what I found.

2000 14.11
2001 13.94
2002 13.04
2003 17.5

2004 11.1 Ban Expires

2005 10.6
2006 10.8

Link

(more later)

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM

For one thing, I cannot understand why liberals, progressives, whatever they call themselves are pathological liars.

Check out the headlines about the DNC petitions touting 642,000 signatures when, in fact, it’s 114,000 original signatures plus two copies of those same signatures.

These and too many other examples are beyond spin. They’re lies.

For a second thing, given that the true left really consists of only 40% of the country (at most), what is the problem with the middle third or so of the country? Are they inbred morons?

I credit Bush and the GOP for keeping us safe since 9/11, but I blame them for abandoning conservatism so that it opened the door for people such as Obama. Wake up, America.

BuckeyeSam on April 3, 2009 at 12:08 PM

There are TWO BIG LIES working here.

The first is that US guns are causing the problems in Mexico.

on that point others have said it better than me.

if you were a leader in a Mexican cartel with access to rifles, ammunition, grenades and RPG’s from Mexican military arsenals, M16 rifles and ammunition from scavengers all over South America who have old American military exports to sell on the cheap, and a dozen other sources . . . would you be sending people to gun shows in Tucson and Albuqurque (sic) to find someone with a clean background check to buy a few semi-automatic rifles and then try to smuggle them south?

Say Uncle

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I’m not sure they are lying on this. I am leaning towards them just being too stupid to understand the numbers.

Buford on April 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

And don’t they just love it that you think that way.

Jvette on April 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM

jp on April 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM

the American people are not buying it:

Sixty-five percent of voters say that the international black market is the main source for Mexican drug cartel arms; while only 13.5 percent think these arms are coming from U.S. gun stores (3.5 percent think the arms are coming from somewhere else and 18 percent are not sure).

Say Uncle

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:18 PM

People thought the backlash for FICA was ugly. Watch what happens in this country when they try to take guns. And if the get them, forget it. We’re through.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 11:12 AM

It is sad that I must say this, but the uniform that comes to my door seeking to confiscate my guns had better have his or her affairs in order, I will certainly have done so with my own.

Viper1 on April 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM

“What’s going to stop someone from grabbing a handful of microstamped brass casings from a firing range, killing someone, picking up their brass and leaving mine, misleading investigators and ultimately slowing down the investigative and forensic processes of catching him for his crime?”

Or just use a revolver. No brass to leave behind.

Scouter on April 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM

No mention of the arms that Hugo is sending in, either.

Vashta.Nerada on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I can’t say I know where the cartel is getting their guns but they get their coke from FRAC and even 0bama says Hugo is friendly with FARC.

I’m sure this is just a coincidence:

The Venezuelan AK-47 Factory

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Or just use a revolver. No brass to leave behind.

Scouter on April 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Oh, but revolvers don’t kill people. Except eeevil Saturday Night Specials. Only automatic pistols do. What? Semi-automatic? Same thing, whatever. I’m a journalist. Don’t tell me, I’ll tell you.

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It is sad that I must say this, but the uniform that comes to my door seeking to confiscate my guns had better have his or her affairs in order, I will certainly have done so with my own.

Viper1

I used to say that I would never ever fire on an officer of the law just trying to keep the law. But I just don’t know anymore. I am starting to wonder if perhaps an officer that demands my guns is actively working for the enemy.

Da**it, I hate having to wonder this.

MBuck on April 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

So why make up the lie? The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons.

Oh pray tell, what is conspiratorial about the left constantly submitting legislation to disarm the public or restrict firearms and their usage?

N4646W on April 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Da**it, I hate having to wonder this.

MBuck on April 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Indeed…..

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Oh yeah if you you haven’t stocked up on ammo before now I weep for you.

Cheaper than Dirt is now listing a 50 rd. box of 380 for $70.

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

So whats the guy standing at the shooting range have to do with it, and the camera zooming in on the trigger housing of a marlin lever gun have to do with it?

Mexico’s corruption is not our problem.

tx2654 on April 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

For one thing, I cannot understand why liberals, progressives, whatever they call themselves are pathological liars.

BuckeyeSam on April 3, 2009 at 12:08 PM

‘Liberal’ should be the LAST thing those people should be called – it erroneously implies they even have passing interest in Liberty.

SeanTate5 on April 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Oh yeah if you you haven’t stocked up on ammo before now I weep for you.

Cheaper than Dirt is now listing a 50 rd. box of 380 for $70.

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Simple: Call every Wal-Mart within 30 miles every day to ask about ammo.

I managed to snag 1000 rounds in one day, at 20 bucks per 100.

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Oh yeah if you you haven’t stocked up on ammo before now I weep for you.

Cheaper than Dirt is now listing a 50 rd. box of 380 for $70.

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

That was for a 250 round box of ammo. 50 Rounds is around 16$ per box.

tx2654 on April 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

When you got drug gangs using RPG, Grenades, Machineguns, Fully Automatic Weapons, etc,. You know off the bat it didn’t came from the USA. They’re either produce it or imported it south of their boarder

jdun on April 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Mexico’s corruption is not our problem.

tx2654 on April 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Hezbollah is using the same southern narcotics routes that Mexican drug kingpins do to smuggle drugs and people into the United States

Link

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

There is a general public consensus in the public that Armageddon is coming hence the hording of ammo.

jdun on April 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

A Mexican reporter asked Attorney General Holder about a Fox News report challanging the administration’s statistic that 90% of the guns used in Mexico’s drug wars come from the US. Holder responded: “It almost doesn’t matter if it is 60% or 70% or 90% the reality is that too many weapons are flowing from the United States into Mexico”.

Listen to the audio.

modnar on April 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I’m just glad we’re not really losing that many guns going south. It’s hard enough finding them now as it is. And, it’s nice to know that there’s an available market for full auto and grenades not too far away should the need arise;-)

As for the micro-stamping; one plan as I understand it is that the bullet would be stamped, and sales of ammo would be regulated and registered. You would be tracked from the record of the sale and corresponding tracking number on the bullet.

Another system would have the gun actually print on the bullet as it is fired, tying the bullet to the gun. Gun registration would then be implemented to track the gun back to you.

Either way, bad news.

TexasDan on April 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Hey guys, big problem here….

Most thugs who are Mexican nationals in the United States are very likely to have a criminal record in the United States. Which…..DISQUALIFIES THEM FROM PURCHASING A WEAPON HERE!

Unless there are organized operations paying people with nothing bad in their backgrounds to go around buying weapons–which can be expensive to operate in the US, I doubt lawful gun dealers have anything to do with Mexico’s problems.

Sekhmet on April 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

tx2654 on April 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

you may be right.

It was CCI Blazer and I thought it said 50 rd box but it is no longer listed on the page.

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Either way, bad news.

TexasDan on April 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Of the two, the second would at least allow for us to continue reloading shells.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Learn to make your own.

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Awesome.
But I admit to being a little chicken.
My brother in law about blew his face off doing that.
I need to go to gun-smithing school-under an assumed name, of course. Bcs I’m sure those guys will be the first to be eliminated at the start of the rev.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Either way, bad news.

TexasDan on April 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Yeah, but by the time I commit to using a bullet on someone, I don’t think it’ll matter whether they can trace it back to me or not bcs it’ll probably be the govt assaulting me bcs I won’t give up my guns.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

scuttlebutt I heard was first man in line when the truck came in dropped $6000 and bought it all.

I got 1000rds (9mm) at $15 per 100 rds last year but it’s all gone now.

mad saint jack on April 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Second time I have seen this.

Of those, only about half can be traced at all, and 90% of those get confirmed as US sourced.

But 90% of 50% of 17% is 8%. Thus 92% of guns seized in Mexico are not American. They got it reversed. Although it is hard to tell how many of the 50% untraceable were from America it should be assumed most were not as only 17% were even checked here to begin with most likely 85% of that 50% were not from America. So the highest we get is 10% of guns from America.

Do they not teach math in America?

Steveangell on April 3, 2009 at 12:56 PM

The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons.

Ah yes, the dreaded kookburgers. Can’t have the weirdos and loonies stripping the quiet dignity of resignation from the cultivated Republicans.

Pish, it simply won’t do. Pinky out when you surrender old bean, pinky out.

TMK on April 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Oh how 9/11 has been forgotten.

Well buckle your seatbelts Obama is assuring a nuclear 9/11.

He is so deluded he thinks America will do for him what happened to Bush. But he is no Bush or Regan. He will be rightfully blamed for this new 9/11 by 90% of Americans. America will never forgive the Democrats for the loss of 1,000,000 Americans or more on one day.

Steveangell on April 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM

They are used to cherry picking data. Find the number that most seems to reinforce your point, and then present it as if it means what you say it does. All part of “what ‘is’ is”. They don’t even think they are being unfair or lying, because they assume that everyone else does it, too.
Its what passes for rigorous debate in public school.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Okay for guns, but what about ammo? How much of the recent shortages here are due to our ammo being bought up by the Mexican cartels?

On the other hand I just scored a case of Prvi Partisan 75gr 5.56 match ammo, so things are looking brighter.

pseudonominus on April 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM

“What’s going to stop someone from grabbing a handful of microstamped brass casings from a firing range, killing someone, picking up their brass and leaving mine, misleading investigators and ultimately slowing down the investigative and forensic processes of catching him for his crime?”

Or just use a revolver. No brass to leave behind.

Scouter on April 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM

And, if you can think of it, so can the police, and that would mean that they could narrow it down to people that had access to the range.
But, really, shouldn’t it be the bullets that get printed?

Count to 10 on April 3, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Sweet, I can buy the stuff they’re using at my local gun show?

those grenades and the rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) are unavailable in U.S. gun shops

Dammit, I wanted an RPG Launcher with ammo… it just looks so cool. And some grenades. Nope, still stuck with the same crap I always get.

[re:NPR] I don’t pledge any more.

rbj on April 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Liar… we all pledge; unless you avoid paying any taxes. Or do you mean you don’t willingly pledge, on top of your unwilling donation?

gekkobear on April 3, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Facts mean nothing to the left – pols, activists, etc.

THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH AS LONG AS THEIR AGENDA IS FURTHERED.

madmonkphotog on April 3, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Do they not teach math in America?

Steveangell on April 3, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I think these folks are good at their fuzzy statistical math, but without giving us the context, it scientifically means nothing.
But to the untrained eye it means everything.
Which is what sells.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM

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