Video: The Mexican gun canard

posted at 10:53 am on April 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

We probably can discount any mathematical calculations made by the Barack Obama administration after we discovered that they overstated the TARP funds by a hundred billion dollars, but consider this just an extra data point. The Obama administration, including Hillary Clinton, have tried floating the notion that 90% of all firearms captured by Mexican officials in drug busts come from the US. Fox News reports exclusively that those statistics rely on a completely dishonest manipulation:

There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one:

It’s just not true.

In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

What’s the actual number? It looks closer to 17%. Only a third of all weapons captured by Mexican officials actually get referred to the US for a trace. Of those, only about half can be traced at all, and 90% of those get confirmed as US sourced.

As Fox explains, this makes a lot of sense. Mexico has a flood of black-market arms coming from around the world — Russia, China, Central and South America. In fact, one of the big sellers in the Mexican black market is the Mexican Army. They had 150,000 deserters over the last six years, most of whom took their standard-issue, Belgian-made M-16 rifles with them.

So why make up the lie? The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons. Public statements like those made by Hillary Clinton certainly put pressure on the US to take some sort of action, if we’re admitting to being the problem. So far, the Obama administration has not proposed a solution to this mythical problem, but we will want to keep a very close eye when they do.


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People who move TONS of illicit substances across CONTINENTS are not going to be troubled by law keeping me away from high capacity magazines.

An illegal alien in LA was out of prison less than 24 hours and shot a black kid to death in broad daylight with a handgun last year. How could that ever happen with all the law…one gun a month, tend day wiating periods, felons have no rights to own a firearm, blah, blah, blah…

The bad guys used to be called outlaws becuause they lived outside the law. The term should be reintroduced, so lawmakers perhaps understand better that written law is no deterrant to some people.

This is another con game…

Harry Schell on April 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Thanks Ed. Too bad it won’t make any difference. The sheeple will buy Ogabe’s bull and the congress will comply with his will.

SKYFOX on April 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Cheaper than Dirt is now listing a 50 rd. box of 380 for $70.

Cheaper Than Dirt is among the worst on the market right now in terms of gouging their customers during this shortage.

They’ve lost me as a customer.

Bob Owens on April 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I need to go to gun-smithing school-under an assumed name, of course. Bcs I’m sure those guys will be the first to be eliminated at the start of the rev.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Just google gunsmithing course and several options pop up. Then you don’t have to “go” anywhere!

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM

The Obama government in crushing the rights of US citizens more and more every day. More government, less rights.

The second ammendment was designed to keep the people in charge, and that scares the left wing socialists that are in charge now.

Stay tuned, it should get interesting.

saiga on April 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM

vapig on April 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Thanks for the tip.
It’s been in the back of my mind for a long time.

Badger40 on April 3, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Cheaper Than Dirt is among the worst on the market right now in terms of gouging their customers during this shortage.

They’ve lost me as a customer.

Bob Owens on April 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Midway USA is out, and so are most other distributors. Even Academy has a 4 box purchase limit. Something is up because people are hoarding ammo.

What I’m not sure of is are people hoarding because they are afraid they won’t be able to get ammo in the future, or are they afraid they will have to use it to save the country from a domestic enemy.

saiga on April 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I was an MM, live in Aberdeen MD.

kmonarrez@comcast.net

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I was an MM, live in Aberdeen MD.

kmonarrez@comcast.net

ExSubNuke on April 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Incoming.

Oldnuke on April 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM

This is the same lie that is being told by Canadian media about guns in Canada. Blame big bad America for their gun crime, while at the same time not acknowledging that in fact most of the guns are NOT American made…. and of course NOT wanting to connect their lax attitude about drug use to the crime in the first place.
It’s just so much easier to point fingers at the big bad American boogey man.

KMC1 on April 3, 2009 at 2:53 PM

I have been trying to educate posters on Hot Air for about a month that these reports were a lie and the actual report says only 17% of the 6% of firearms found in Mexico came from the U.S., do the math, that’s 1.02 %. This is ALL propaganda from Eric Holder, Janet Napalitano, BATF&E, Rhom Emmanuel and the O’bunghole administration to attempt to attack the Second Amendment and pass Unconstitutional gun laws. Shades of WACO when the Brady Bill and The Assault Weapon ban were dead on arrival to the House of Representitives but were revived after the fraudulent attack on the Mount Carmel compound.

Too bad idiot RINOs like Newt Gingrich swilled the koolaid of leftist propaganda.

Leftists lie….it’s what they do.

nelsonknows on April 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Hezbollah, China, and Venezuela are involved in moving firearms to the cartels in Mexico…..

nelsonknows on April 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM

The gangs most likely steal their hardware from the Mexican Army. In any case there are many sources for weapons aside from the US.

aengus on April 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM

“We probably can discount any mathematical calculations made by the Barack Obama administration after we discovered that they overstated the TARP funds by a hundred billion dollars, but consider this just an extra data point.”

This administration only uses one significant figure. For dollars the significant figure is trillions.

burt on April 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Hezbollah, China, and Venezuela are involved in moving firearms to the cartels in Mexico…..

nelsonknows on April 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Why would Hezbollah be selling weapons? They can’t produce guns themselves. I’d have thought they would be looking to buy arms.

aengus on April 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

What I’m not sure of is are people hoarding because they are afraid they won’t be able to get ammo in the future, or are they afraid they will have to use it to save the country from a domestic enemy.

saiga

Answer: Yes.

SKYFOX on April 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Why would Hezbollah be selling weapons? They can’t produce guns themselves. I’d have thought they would be looking to buy arms.

aengus on April 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Did I say SELLING? NO I didn’t, I said MOVING guns into Mexico. That means PROCUREMENT. We know that Hezbollah is involved with the Mexican Cartels now, we know China runs the Ports in Mexico, we ALSO know that Venezuela funnels money and arms to leftist revolutionaries who work closely with Columbian and Mexican Drug cartels and Venezuela opened a manufacturing facility last September that produces AK rifles and RPG-7s.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/27/hezbollah-uses-mexican-drug-routes-into-us/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-10-07-3782660251_x.htm

nelsonknows on April 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Anyone actually been to a gun show? Anyone who has actually bought a gun? Anyone who did, how many of you didn’t fill out the yellow sheet?

Case closed, as far as I am concerned. These illegal weapons come from criminals stealing them from legal owners and not from legitimate purchases in the U.S. Now I know that isn’t news to any serious HotAirHeads. Just thought I’d state the obvious to you Huffington fools before I demostrate my property rights.

Limerick on April 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

This just in ….63 of 33,311 firearms found in Mexico had U.S. Serial numbers.

nelsonknows on April 3, 2009 at 5:03 PM

From. My. Cold. Dead. Hands.

thaDeetz on April 3, 2009 at 5:48 PM

They’ve lost me as a customer.

Bob Owens on April 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Same here. If the industry survives, I pray they go out of business.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I heard today that 60% were in fact Military Weapons that WE had supplied to the Mexican Army “to fight the drug war” so technically they are coming from America.

Pole-Cat on April 4, 2009 at 3:03 AM

I heard today that 60% were in fact Military Weapons that WE had supplied to the Mexican Army “to fight the drug war” so technically they are coming from America.

Pole-Cat on April 4, 2009 at 3:03 AM

Well, that is a far cry from having American arms smuggled into Mexico by the cartels. That is more a measure of the incompetence and corruption of the Mexican government than problems here. The only problem that indicates here in America, is that our politicians love to misrepresent things to the American people.

Hawthorne on April 4, 2009 at 5:09 AM

Kinda like that 1st “cell phones and driving don’t mix”

In the study they asked folks who were involved in a traffic accident had cell phones with them at the time of the accident?

Then, ONLY used folks that had a cell phone, eliminating all others.

Then they asked them if “they had used their cell phones within 15 min. of the accident“.

Amazingly the VAST majority HAD ACTUALLY used their phone within 15 min. of the accident.

What they DIDN’T ask if that “15 min” time frame was BEFORE the accident OR After the accident?

I mean like hey, what reason could someone possibly have to use their cell phone AFTER the accident?

DSchoen on April 4, 2009 at 5:14 AM

Only an idiot would believe we’re supplying the cartels with weapons. Thus whoever started this thing rolling thinks we’re idiots.

That’s a little offensive… though with all the crap they’ve been able to pull it might be justified. Time will tell on this one. I just hope my peers prove this guy wrong by being sharper then a bag full of hammers.

Karmashock on April 4, 2009 at 9:25 AM

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