Congress passes $3.5 trillion budget in the dark
posted at 8:47 am on April 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Congress approved Barack Obama’s sweeping new budget late last night, approving a level of spending over 10% more than the final year of the Bush administration despite the economic crisis. The $3.5 trillion budget grew over 2009’s $3.1 trillion spending plan, and left almost all of Obama’s wish lists intact despite the supposed intervention of Senate Democrat Kent Conrad:
Congressional Democrats overwhelmingly embraced President Obama’s ambitious and expensive agenda for the nation yesterday, endorsing a $3.5 trillion spending plan that sets the stage for the president to pursue his most far-reaching priorities.
Voting along party lines, the House and Senate approved budget blueprints that would trim Obama’s spending proposals for the fiscal year that begins in October and curtail his plans to cut taxes. The blueprints, however, would permit work to begin on the central goals of Obama’s presidency: an expansion of health-care coverage for the uninsured, more money for college loans and a cap-and-trade system to reduce gases that contribute to global warming.
The measures now move to a conference committee where negotiators must resolve differences between the two chambers, a prelude to the more difficult choices that will be required to implement Obama’s initiatives. While Democrats back the president’s vision for transforming huge sectors of the economy, they remain fiercely divided over the details.
There is no agreement, for example, on how to pay for an overhaul of the health-care system expected to add more than $1 trillion to the budget over the next decade, nor is there consensus on how to spend the hundreds of billions of dollars the government stands to collect by setting limits on greenhouse gas emissions and forcing industry to buy permits to pollute. Those issues will be decided in committees where lawmakers have begun the torturous work on the specifics of Obama’s broad plans.
President Obama has lost some Congressional support since Porkulus. The Washington Post doesn’t mention this in its report, but Democratic defectors grew from seven in the House to 20 defectors last night. In the Senate, where Democrats won three key Republican votes for Porkulus, they didn’t get a single GOP vote. In fact, they lost two Democrats: Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Evan Bayh (D-IN). Bayh had tried to lead a centrist bloc to gain more concessions from Reid, Pelosi, and Obama, but in the end his Gang of 15 seems to have been a duet.
This budget does at least one thing right. Instead of getting separate “emergency” authorizations for war appropriations, the funding for Iraq and Afghanistan are built into the budget. That accounts for $130 billion of the increase over FY2009, and it ends the ridiculous practice of pretending that no one could plan for war resources. The Bush administration should have made that move after the 2003 invasion instead of continuing to use emergency supplementals that became a poltical lightning rod every time it went to Congress for the funding.
Other than that, though, Judd Gregg has this budget analyzed correctly:
“The practical implications of this budget are that we will put in place spending and borrowing which will absolutely put this country on an unsustainable path and WILL create massive problems for us in the out years if it’s followed,” said ranking Senate Budget Committee member Judd Gregg (R-N.H.).
Even the White House’s rosy projections show this to be a disaster. It grows the deficits in every year over the next 12 even under the best of circumstances. In an era where Americans have to tighten their belts and reduce their borrowing in order to shore up their own financial situations, Congress and Obama have shown no such sense of shared sacrifice. Instead, they’re busy borrowing like maniacs to pay for their own pet projects. It’s a disgrace, and even some Democrats have discovered this.
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But, but Obama said he was going to cut the deficit in half! Surely you must be mistaken about our great economic saviour!
In all seriousness, the Republicans fumbled this issue from the start.
smfoushee on April 3, 2009 at 8:52 AM
I guess I might as well start planning for when I wont be able to afford electricity or heating.
Anyone have any oil lamps?
becki51758 on April 3, 2009 at 8:52 AM
The most fiscally responsible budget, evah, the LMSM tells me.
But something says it’s a ball and chain tied to an anchor.
eaglewingz08 on April 3, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Obama’s Abyss !!
canopfor on April 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM
thieves in the night
gatorboy on April 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Does it ever end?
loudmouth883 on April 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Our national suicide note.
Great.
progressoverpeace on April 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM
They have only one ‘pet project’, and that project is revolution. America will never be the same again. This budget profoundly changes not the course of the nation but the also the nature of its relationship to Americans. The structural changes it brings about will not be undoable, regardless of the outcome of future elections.
That a bill like this could get passed without protracted debate is a disgrace, and a thumb in the eye to Americans and to democracy itself.
ProfessorMiao on April 3, 2009 at 8:57 AM
depends on if the mush moderate middle who “made history” rebel as regards Crap’N'Trade
people will not tolerate having their lifestyles destroyed by neo-luddites…
sven10077 on April 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Obama is as the book of Revelations predicted… The Obamanation that makes desolate.
doriangrey on April 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM
What was the breakdown of the D vs. R votes. More specifically, did the 3 stooges (Spector, Collins and Snow) support it … and what about Juan McCain?
stenwin77 on April 3, 2009 at 8:59 AM
He is now in Europe, Town Hall meeting, proving he not POTUS but President of a new world order. My God, help us.
ndulik on April 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM
First, triple it. Then, cut the triple in half next time.
“I, uhhh, kept my promise!”
jgapinoy on April 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM
This guy Obama-Mugabe is an unmitigated natural disaster.
Worst President ever and his achievements continue to mount.
NoDonkey on April 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Unemployment will no longer be a problem. If you lose your job, there’ll be jobs waiting for you at ACORN.
petefrt on April 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Cap and Trade… boy, it sure gets HOT out there in the NV desert. They need their A/C for many, many months of the year. That electricity bill is going to get really high.
We must focus on 2010 to start ridding this country of the bad apples. When does Dingy Harry run again for reelection?
Oink on April 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Haven’t you heard of global warming? Oil lamps are destroying the planet. You will sit in the dark and like it.
keep the change on April 3, 2009 at 9:02 AM
One of our loveable trolls is going to show up to argue that President Obama is going to cut the defecit in half in the next 4 years.
BadgerHawk on April 3, 2009 at 9:02 AM
And AmeriCorps. For all ages.
BigD on April 3, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Um, read the article?
ProfessorMiao on April 3, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Won’t Work…
Petroleum based….Gorbal Warming
Whale oil……….Endangered species
Vegetable oil……will be needed to run buses
Hemp oil………..dopers will drive the price up
Don’t think about candles either. Rendered fat will be a no-no after PETA gets through with us.
Your only hope is eat more carrots. Nightvision for everyone!
Limerick on April 3, 2009 at 9:03 AM
AIN’T LIVIN’ IN A DEMOCRACY GRAND?!?
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:04 AM
Only the ones that use whale oil…I also have some beautiful Harp seal blankets for sale.
right2bright on April 3, 2009 at 9:04 AM
The way things are going there may be tea parties in the 10s of millions on its way to DC to build a dam for the Potomac with all the crates of tea that will be dumped in it.
gsherin on April 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM
The World Organizer will fix it.
artist on April 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Sounds like a great ad campaign for billboards around Vegas. Just wait until the casinos start turning of the lights and firing more & more workers…..
Harry will feel the heat from the rising anger that are his policies.
izoneguy on April 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM
So what kind of household debt are we up to now? $94k? Wasn’t it $34k per household for porkulus and now another $60k for this monstrosity?
I’m glad my mom just had her hip replaced, she probably would be denied under their “compassionate” new healthcare CF.
citrus on April 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM
The way things are going there may be tea parties in the 10s of millions on its way to DC to build a dam for the Potomac with all the crates of tea that will be dumped in it.
gsherin on April 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM
I’d rather see those 10s of millions relocate to Texas and show their collective ginger to the Feds.
Say, sorry we’re not playing with you anymore. MASSIVE civil disobedience.
What could/would they do?
10% of America = 30 MILLION.
artist on April 3, 2009 at 9:07 AM
The only thing Obama knows how to cut in half are his
$140.00 steaks.
This makes me sick.
elderberry on April 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM
I’m going to quit my job today. Hope the rest of you like paying for my house.
Tommy_G on April 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM
The silence from the Republican party is deafening, even if they voted against the bill they are acutely silent.
People must not remember how the Republicans retook congress when Bill and Hillary tried to cram nationalized health care down our throats.
Nationalized health care and gun control were the two things that helped the Republicans take control of congress when Clinton was President. The exact same situation exists today, but the Republicans don’t have any real leadership. You have Steele attacking his own party, McCain as ineffective as usual, Romney sucking up to President Obama, and the entire party on the outside looking in.
Rode Werk on April 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM
I don’t really have any words sufficient to express my disgust and contempt for this administration and the Hill.
jeanie on April 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM
We don’t have to pass this on to our children. We need to win starting in 2010 . We need cut every stupid liberal giveaway out of the budget these clowns are putting in there. We need to cut the money going overseas to countries that hate us anyway.
We need elected representatives who are statesmen and patriots who understand economics and not hack politicians.
hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Of course they passed it in the dark. Light shown on any of these disastrous bills in the past 2 months would mean the end of them…and they know it. Move along, nothing to see.
JAM on April 3, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Congress gets the Cockroach Award for courage. They’re very brave in the dark. When the light is turned on them, they scatter. What a disgrace. I want my country back.
kingsjester on April 3, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I dont like carrots so I’m going to have to learn to loooove the dark.
Seal blankets sound pretty warm tho. Are they an endangered species?
becki51758 on April 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM
“A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within” ~~Ariel Durant. If our economy tanks and appears on the verge of bankruptcy then the world will become so weakened that a One World Order is the only option. Gordon Brown is a babbling fool who has already taken Britain to the edge of bankruptcy. His eagerness to be an Obama lapdog is the only hope they have.
volsense on April 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM
hawkdriver? we’re praying for you on the other thread.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM
hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM
None of that will happen…
Even if the R’s “win” in 2010, they will NOT reduce gov’t by any meaningful measure.
They will slow it’s growth.
What major departments did they abolish when they controlled both Houses?
artist on April 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Thanks, ‘rats, thanks a lot. Now ammunition is going to become even more scarce than it is now.
I might as well get to work building a trebuchet; I can’t find bullets but there are plenty of rocks laying around here.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM
but, but! bambi says this budget will reduce the deficit.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM
The budget was outlined and detailed over a month ago now during Obama’s joint session with Congress. If the public really didn’t want it wouldnt there have been some kind of significant outcry. Obama’s numbers took a small hit after he revealed that yes I’m going to do the stuff I ran on. But mostly he lost ground among Republicans and Independents who were probably just voting against John McCain/Palin or got caught up in the moment. But the massive drop in GOP support isn’t really significant, he’s a Dem your side should not support him, duh.
The problem for your side is that this really ISNT socialism, it’s just FDR part II (and without the same industrial complex, but thats a whole other issue). Obama has bowed to wall street, that’s not really being a commie. It’s time for folks to realize that the public mood has moved left and so has the political debate. If the GOP thinks it can win by talking about “tax and spend liberalism” in 2010 they are in for a rude awakening.
DeathToMediaHacks on April 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM
And meanwhile, 663,000 jobs were lost in March bringing the unemployment rate up to 8.5%. When Obama talks about sacrifice, we know exactly who he’s referring to.
Doughboy on April 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM
I think it’s time to stop fooling ourselves into thinking the Republican party can save the country from the Demoncrats’ disaster. If anything can be salvaged from the ashes of our nation, it won’t be the Dems or Repubs doing the salvaging.
RandyChandler on April 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM
This is mind numbing. Hope for 2010?? I’ve all but given up. I’m up for the fight but folks this new spending is going to hurt a lot of people.
Dire Straits on April 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Must have missed it on the net…did they publish the bill five days before it was voted on so us average American folks could take a look at it? After all, this was one of the major things Obama promised all of us.
coldwarrior on April 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I’m down!
Lemme’ know where and when!
Just got couple hundred shotgun rounds this week!
DON’T ASK ME HOW!
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM
we all need to be preparing for the future. stockpiling food & oil & gas for the power saws; finding a place to hunt & fish, laying in the firewood, planting a bigger garden. if you live in the city,well, i don’t know what you do.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM
artist on April 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Damn straight. The two parties are much closer to agreement than they are to disagreement, it’s simply a matter of spreading the pork around and these scumbags find it easy to sell their ethics and us with it. R’s and D’s come together to feather their nests.
They aren’t listening, they don’t care and they WON’T care until a few million people pack the DC Mall and refuse to budge until Congress holds itself to account.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:19 AM
oh no, deathtomediahacks almost makes sense.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM
There was no resounding outcry because we are now living in Jerry Springer Nation, brought on by liberal policies that made idiots and victims out of half the population.
RandyChandler on April 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM
You keep voting for liberal democrats. Did you have any “hard” questions?
hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Yay, we’re screwed!
t.ferg on April 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Godspeed and God Bless You in your deployment.
PS.. Thank You
Dire Straits on April 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Cool! With the government spending all this money, they’re sure to pay for my car, house, and food, right?
I’ll just be sitting here waiting for the phone call that tells me I can stop working.
Europe likes Obama because he’s finally going to drag America down to their level. They won’t have to hear that “personal responsibility” crap from U.S. leaders any more.
hawksruleva on April 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM
the tea party signs should be directed at CONGRESS. other than being a narcissist, bambi shouldn’t care about his poll numbers as he has the office ’til 2012. but CONGRESS must begin re-election next year. they should be more sensitive to our re-election anger.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Just got couple hundred shotgun rounds this week!
DON’T ASK ME HOW!
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Sorry, I have to ask how and you will tell me. I can still find shotgun shells around here but it’s mostly small pellet bird shot, #7 and up; the buckshot has dried up.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Bishop
Perhaps we should harness animal power as well.
Horseback battle, you know?
And we should produce swords and shields, kill them up close
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Sorry, too depressed to even think what the a$$clowns are doing to the American Spirit and Liberty in general.
It is 5 o’clock somewhere, right?
Branch Rickey on April 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM
hawkdriver, will you be posting while you’re deployed? can you tell us where you are going (in case i missed it)?
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM
darn, it’s gonna be tough to find anyone in the GOP who fits this description.
sesquipedalian on April 3, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Just got lucky at some random site.
I can’t get any .223 rounds for the AR. Driving me nutttzzz, but I already have 300 rounds for that — but there’s never enough.
Well, I do say this.
I’M GLAD ITS ALL SOLD OUT! Keep buying everyone
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Godspeed to you and those who serve with you!
Branch Rickey on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Even that crowd won’t help. Until ONE of the States sends a federal judge packing they (Congress) won’t take us seriously. One of the 50 is going to go postal before this is over. How many of the other 49 back her up is the big question. I hate to see it happen but can’t see any way to avoid the coming trainwreck.
Limerick on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
oh hush, sesquipedophile
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
get a mule & a milkcow. again, if you live in the city….
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
NO! It’s just the beginning:
WASHINGTON — Acting in quick succession, the House and Senate approved budgets Thursday night drawn to President Obama’s specifications and pointing the way toward major legislation later this year on health care, energy and education.
So Harry Reid thinks saving Americans “under water” is necessary while drowning the next two generations in debt. 3.6 trillion and the democrats say spending on health care, energy, and education will come later this year after the shock has worn off on the enormous debt this government has bestowed upon every American. No, Mr Reid, this is not an inherited debt. This is a debt created and owned by your party, your President, and your own drunken lunacy.
2010 cannot come soon enough.
Rovin on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Yep.
progressoverpeace on April 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM
And this president just confirmed that it is okay for them to stay that way.
sherry on April 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I would like to know who these people in Congress think they are? They are doing things that the majority of the people don’t want. Yet, we are left to pay for their actions. They don’t listen to us -they listen to the left wing wackos, the environmentalists, the unions and the teachers unions.
Why are government workers unionized? I thought being in a union was for them to protect you from the government? So, they need to be protected from their employer?
Why don’t the people in Congress pay social security taxes, yet they raise them on us?
Why do people in Congress go to office only to find themselves in a couple of years living in multi million dollar homes, traveling on government jets on trips they deem necessary to inform them. All on our dime while we sit out here and work to pay for them to live like Kings and Queens.
We really need to get some different people in there. Barney Frank needs to go. Pelosi needs to go. McCain needs to go. Schumer, Levin, Waxman, Boxer, and tons more. We need term limits and the 17th Amendment of the Constitution needs to be revoked. If that were done, the States would revert to appointing their own 2 senators that would represent their states as their constituents demand.
We need people to run that say they are going to office to cut programs and eliminate regulations on cafe standards, open drilling so we can be dependent on our own energy.
For crying out loud – we need a revolution. Get out to your tea parties on the 15th. It’s about time to take this country back from these nut jobs.
suzyk on April 3, 2009 at 9:26 AM
To me, the problem is that this spending plan won’t help the country, and will hurt the country. I could care less what label is applied to it.
Healthcare “reform” – so we’re saving money by spending more, and improving the quality of care by rationing it and driving doctors out of business.
Energy “reform” – taxing businesses, who will pass the costs along to consumers, though some businesses will just go under, instead.
Defense cuts – that’ll realy help with the war on t. I mean the “overseas contingency operations”.
Tax hikes – as if we weren’t already punishing businesses and investors enough.
Maybe 4 years of pain will help America learn and grow. If there’s a silver lining, that’s it.
hawksruleva on April 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM
when the looting starts, we, the law abiding types can’t just sit back & gape. we’ll have to loot, too, because we will need food & supplies. the everyday looters will be collecting TVs (ha ha–they won’t be able to afford the electricity!), but we can get batteries, fuel, non-perishables.
i’m thinking we’ll need lots of sugar for the still!
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM
I don’t think early on. There’s not built structures for the extra units. It’ll be tent city for a while. You’d have to be able to get the MRW on the other side of Kandahar. We will eventually though.
Either side in my opinion.
Gents, I still see a ton of shotgun rounds in most calibers in our Gander Mountain here in Fayetteville. It’s rifle rounds in .223 and 7.62 that’s scarce around here.
hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Anyone who shoots .223 is a-ok in my book. Have you tried Cabela’s (online) or Ammoman.com? You can actually still get decently priced .223/5.56 from both.
I reload now as I have 1,000+ factory rounds and the reload fixin’s for about 5,000 more, but I routinely scoop up a box here or there when the price is right. I wish I could find those shotgun shells that you found, I just don’t have good luck in that department.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:29 AM
2010 cannot come soon enough.
Rovin on April 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
What happens in 2010?
artist on April 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM
This is sick . . . the leftist Democrats are raping the country’s treasury and sucking the very life from us. In the meantime, the gutless Republicans are cowering in a corner afraid to to speak out or even show their faces. If this isn’t the end of our once great Republic were dangerously close to that end.
rplat on April 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM
More accurately: said he was going to cut the deficit he inherited in half.
Apparently, with NEW deficit funding. You know, ponzi-style.
CaveatEmpty on April 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Democratic governments are at least representative of the will of the people. The reason the tea parties are taking off is that the people who are supposed to be our representatives refuse to listen to the people they were elected to represent.
This ain’t democracy, hoss. It’s an oligarchy.
Harpazo on April 3, 2009 at 9:31 AM
God protect you and yours, hawkdriver. Don’t worry about the ammo. We’ll figure it out. You are watching our back so the least we can do for you is keep a place worth fighting for.
Limerick on April 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM
I’m really getting sick of this “inherited” crap. I appreciate the GOP standing up and opposing porkulus and the budget, but they need to start asserting themselves and pointing the finger at the Dems.
Reid has been Senate Majority Leader since January 2007. Pelosi has run the House just as long. Obama has been in Congress since January 2005. Frank and Dodd have been there even longer.
The idea that the Dems are free of blame in any of this and that somehow it’s all the fault of George W. Bush is laughable. The GOP needs to fight back because what’s truly scary(and the poll numbers back this up) is how a lot of Americans are actually buying this nonsense.
Doughboy on April 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM
oh no, deathtomediahacks almost makes sense.
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Respectfully disagree. Hacks wants to say that the nation is moving to the left, but it isn’t, it’s being sold a bill of goods in the mold of what the right normally says.
The Ogabe plan is full of “tax cuts” and “jobs” and “lower spending” while in reality is nothing of the sort; it’s a veneer that Americans who are just too busy trying to make their lives work don’t have time to properly study.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:34 AM
“Neidermeyer – Dead Man!”
Are we going to long for Carter???
Branch Rickey on April 3, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Thanks for your service and God speed.
becki51758 on April 3, 2009 at 9:34 AM
FIFY
Del Dolemonte on April 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM
God protect you and yours, hawkdriver.
Ditto, if you are willing to accept a blessing from a former Navy man; have to maintain the casual bigotry between the services doncha know. ;-)
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Fixed it for you!
Dire Straits on April 3, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Thanks for the cabelas tip. I always forget about them.
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM
We have lost our faith.
We have lost our economy.
We have lost our sanity.
Jdripper on April 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM
UPS will deliver right to your door…
Palmetto State Armory (google it).
Limerick on April 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Not to mention being a deceitful lie. What a terrible President Bush turned out to be. I still can’t believe I supported the him twice.
True_King on April 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Now to find a website that sells trebuchet
blatantblue on April 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Only if somebody flies a plane into the Capitol building.
mr1216 on April 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Cap and trade… the consequences are much more sweeping than hobbling every American with higher utility bills. It will make manufacturing so costly that it will all get moved offshore to countries without such regulations – countries that use even more polluting energy sources, so that the global effect will be to increase carbon dioxide outputs. Unless crippling tariffs are placed on the goods produced by those countries. Given that China is basically holding the US economy’s fate in its hand, how do you think that is likely to turn out?
ProfessorMiao on April 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM
i’m thinking we’ll need lots of sugar for the still!
kelley in virginia on April 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Come on up to Minnesota, you can ford-up with my family and friends. Just a couple of weeks ago, my shop welder made his own plow, we borrowed a horse from the neighbor and practiced plowing a small field with it. Tough work but interesting to see how it was done 100+ years ago.
We have already talked about forming a basic neighborhood watch and what we would do if civil unrest caused an exodus; we will be prepared as best we can.
Bishop on April 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Thanks.
I’m not too worried about the ammo. I’m reloading all my calibers like Bishop says. All they shoot at our McKellers Lodge range is .223 mostly and I have trash bags of once-shot AR brass.
If I thought I could deprime the steel Berdan casings I’d collect that out there too.
One thing the trolls are right about. We need a promise from any Republican, Independent or Libertarian Conservative to stop spending like liberals if they want our vote. No matter what else happens, if you put the money back in the pockets of the people, you at least start to correct the damage being done now.
hawkdriver on April 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Not funny.
ProfessorMiao on April 3, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Do we know who the 20 Democrats are?
Can we find out?
edgehead on April 3, 2009 at 9:43 AM
All of the Hollywood elites have fulfilled their promises. During the Bush administration they promised to move out of the country if Bush’s budget passed.
They have their wish – they are now living under a third world leadership with goal of bankrupting them soon. (Those stars get old quick and cannot live on a million dollars a film, in a country where the population cannot afford to go to a movie)
MSGTAS on April 3, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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