Video: Is Michelle ready for a third party?
posted at 5:55 pm on April 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just a little food for thought inspired by Newt’s comments this morning to accompany the vid of her slicing and dicing the great Grayson/Frank salary grab of ’09. Gingrich:
“If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012,” Gingrich said Tuesday. The speech, to a group of students at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri, was recorded by Springfield TV station KY3…
“Remember, everything Obama’s doing, Bush started last year,” he said. “If you’re going to talk about big spending, the mistakes of the Bush administration last year are fully as bad as the mistakes of Obama’s first two, three months.”
Gingrich told the students that the current governmental system “is so sick, so out of touch and so arrogant that you’re going to have a nationwide rebellion at the polls of people in both parties who are just fed up.”
Notably, MM seems more irritated by the dozens of Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for the AIG bonus tax and the 10 who backed Grayson/Frank — with Eric Cantor voting present(!) — than by the Democrats. I figure all it’ll take is one more push for amnesty by the GOP, which is a fait accompli given McCain’s poor showing with Hispanics last year, and she’ll be ready to embrace the new Atheist Libertarian Workers Party. One percent of the vote or bust!
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We dont need a third party we need one GOOD party. One that isnt beltway mezmerized.
Conservatives should focus on reforming the party and putting pressure on the rinos by getting better organized. If we start recruiting and feilding better candidates we wont need people like Spector or other RINOs.
Conservatives can win on a conservative message. Its the medium that is killing us not the message.
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Exhibit A on why I find all the third party talk tiresome.
Hawkins1701 on April 2, 2009 at 6:00 PM
It happened in Canada. The old Progressive Conservative Party became so liberal, that a new Conservative Party was founded and it is now the party in power.
The GOP has abandoned conservatism. Time to get this party started.
keep the change on April 2, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I heart the Constitution Party! (Mostly)
SouthernGent on April 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM
What would they called themselves? The Patriot Party? Independent Conservative Party?
SnarkVader on April 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM
She isn’t ready until she ridicules Sarah Palin.
Rode Werk on April 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM
You know what’s the key to victory in 2010 or 2012? Conservatives splitting their votes!
What could go wrong?
Trent1289 on April 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I belive in God, I believe in small government, I believe in a strong US military, I belived in a country where the old and young are treasured not slaughtered as an economic necessity by the hatefull left bent on controlling everything including human life.
I believe in Success through hard work. And hard work is not standing in a government line every month to get a government check.
I believe in challenging those that break the law no matter where they reside if in Congress or Wall Street or the White House. Honesty is something to strive for not abuse.
I want a party that plays by the rules and gives a damn about the people they represent and not just about winning elections every few years. If you can focus more on the people then on yourself then I want you in government.
Someone please point out to me where anything I said is wrong or anti America ? If I can say those things and not be challenged then how is my conservative beliefs bad ?
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Can we trust the Republicans to be Conservatives and to be true to the Conservative beliefs? At this point I say “NO” there aren’t very many out there who I would completely trust to remain true to Cons. policies. All these people want to do is win and they will stoop to anything to attain their goal. I am so tired of being used and lied to.
UnEasyRider on April 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Better idea: have the Leftists start their own third party.
Third Parties are a guaranteed disaster.
Remember: if it weren’t for the dipshits who followed Ross Perot off a cliff with that bizarre “Reform Party” scam, we would never have had the Clintons in the White House.
Give up that stupid idea, pronto..
TexasJew on April 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Well, they were fed up with the gop and now it is the dems turn.
Of course, if the dems fail, there will not be much of a country for a third party to govern.
getalife on April 2, 2009 at 6:06 PM
This fear of third parties does not apply in a time when the GOP only gets votes by default of not being the Democrats and even then they don’t get enough to win elections because many conservatives don’t even want to vote for them. Form a strong Conservative party and the GOP will melt away in short order. Without funding, it won’t survive. It will close up shop.
keep the change on April 2, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Its getting worse. They bootjacks are comming out
Video that shows Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia is ordering “Collectors” to go to people’s business and seize property for “back Taxes”.
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:09 PM
I agree with William Amos . . . a new attitude and direction in the old Party would be just as good. Keep the name and change the people.
rplat on April 2, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Those who don’t want to follow – don’t have to. If winning elections is what’s important to you – then you can join the Democrats. No one’s holding a gun to anyone’s head.
Michelle is right. Republicans still don’t know what the hell they are doing.
I’ll tell ya what. If they don’t start fighting – I’ll sit right on my duff next year and watch them fail at the polls again. I’m not ready to put these freaks back into power – they aren’t up to it.
Hard decisions have to be made to save this country. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE GUTS TO MAKE THEM. They just make the WRONG decisions. But they are definitely up to the task of fighting for what they believe in.
I don’t want these Republicans to be in power again if all we’re doing is putting McCain style leadership in office. Or even Bush style. I want someone in there like REAGAN – who moved the football down the field – and didn’t make excuses.
If it ain’t in the Republican party – then we need to look elsewhere.
HondaV65 on April 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM
You mean jackboots? lol
keep the change on April 2, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Yeah dont every post when your fired up lol
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Remember the definition of insanity and repetition?
Pushes all his chips into center of table.
a capella on April 2, 2009 at 6:11 PM
And Rush for saying “he wants Obama to fail”.
O/T Some Michelle’s are a lot more visually pleasant.
the_nile on April 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
So we just cede power? Forever? Because once the party scatters that it. The Dems run everything forever.
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Is it wrong for me to wish that Mayor Nutter will send his collectors to collect back taxes owed by Obama officials ?
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
What a peculiar statement.
Feedie on April 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Drop the first part and you’re ALWP material!
Allahpundit on April 2, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Third Party!?! FAH!
I say we kick out the RINOS and make them be a third party. They have a built in mascot. They can call themselves the party of “Lukewarm”.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 2, 2009 at 6:14 PM
The TEA PARTY! We already got the movement
shick on April 2, 2009 at 6:16 PM
LOL well I stated that is what I believed in. If I drop that one doesnt it mean all my beliefs are then suspect ?
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM
The people who hold power within a party are the people who generate the most cash for it and the people who have the most cash in their Political Action Committees. This “cash” becomes a way of “voting” for what direction you want the party to take.
If you’re happy with Michael Steele – then you ought to donate cash directly to the Republican party – he gets the credit for that stuff.
If you want the party to take an elitist, soft “where the hell are we today” direction – then donate to Mitt’s PAC or to Newt’s organization.
If want the party to go into a CONSERVATIVE direction – then you need to be donating to SarahPAC – or one of the other truly Conservative PACS (and those names escape me right now – if they exist at all)
At the end of the day – all these PACS lay their money out on the table and the ones with the most $$ win. They are the ones that control the party.
And Sarah Palin needs to make a move now – she is doing too much hibernating up there in Alaska. She needs to get in front of the game soon to stay viable.
HondaV65 on April 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Dont give up on the GOP yet.
John Murtha is facing his Okinawa moment
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM
But without the first part the rest is just bumper sticker slogans and social club bi-laws.
portlandon on April 2, 2009 at 6:18 PM
You probably aren’t ALWP material.
Members get a free t-shirt of Hitchens holding a bazooka, incidentally.
Allahpundit on April 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM
A lot depends on our new batch of leaders and if the old GOP wood can be uprooted. Without a housecleaning, we’ll continue to glow Democrat-Lite. Michael Steele doesn’t fill me with confidence major changes will happen. A slow bleed still takes one to the same destination.
a capella on April 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Exactly. Starting a third party sounds good just to scare the Rhinos, but it’s just self-defeating, as it is the surest way to get the left elected.
Instead, we have to fix the republican party’s lack of good capitalist philosophy.
We can start with the statement “Greed is bad” and work our way from there.
The only reason we have these rhinos is that when half the party agrees with the democrats that greed is bad, fighting socialism is impossible on the long run.
ebrawer on April 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Alright, I’m in. The Hitchens w/ a Bazooka was the determining factor.
portlandon on April 2, 2009 at 6:22 PM
I wasn’t that impressed with Sarah Palin. Sure, she looked conservative to McCain, but then anyone this side of Nancy Pelosi would look conservative next to McVain.
Newt is far more conservative than Sarah, I support amnesty for illegals too, Palin.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM
The new party shouldn’t give anything away for free.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM
If you want here to start e new party , maybe you want her to tie up some lose ends first. She’s a Governor , not a teleprompter reader.
the_nile on April 2, 2009 at 6:24 PM
They are right Allah you need to move their way. You are the one who needs to give on this small issue…;)
Come on Allah… for the kids.
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Do one with Hitch and his souvenir waterboard! Surf’s up, dude!
Feedie on April 2, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I just want the shirt… :)
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 2, 2009 at 6:25 PM
SOLD!
SouthernDem on April 2, 2009 at 6:27 PM
They already have a catchy name: McCainiacs.
GeneSmith on April 2, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I want the bazooka
William Amos on April 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Basically–we become the Greed Party? What could go wrong with that?
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Short of a third party, there aught to be a better way to separate the wheat from the chaff in the Republican party. The ACU ratings are practically worthless for making a determination. Here are the ACU ratings for the 10 house Republicans that voted for arbitrary salary control, as well as Cantor, which voted present:
86.47 Bilirakis
84.58 Brown-Waite, Ginny
Cao (no rating)
72.06 Diaz-Balart, L.
75.94 Diaz-Balart, M.
87.03 Duncan
87.98 Jones
71.55 McHugh
94.76 Rohrabacher
73.45 Ros-Lehtinen
96.25 Cantor
The problem is, IMO, that the rating isn’t weighted by the importance conservatives place on the various issues. If the American Conservative Union polled conservatives on a periodic basis to determine appropriate weighting, or if they allowed users to weight issues for themselves using an interactive web site, the would actually mean something.
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I like your idea.
tru2tx on April 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Has anyone called you easy? I bet they have!
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I believe the correct term would be “spew” them out…
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Why do I suddenly get a vision of th 90′s cartoon show Animaniacs at that name?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Nice bibical reference… LOL
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM
and she’ll be ready to embrace the new Atheist Libertarian Workers Party
I thought it was the “Hawkish Atheist Libertarian Party”. “HALP is on the way” is a much better motto than “WALP is on the way”.
The problem with your “new” party is that it’s no alternative to the Democrats and Republicans because its founder believes representatives of the party should vote with the Democrats so that they won’t be seen as obstructionists. The day before the Republicans in the House all held together and voted against the stimulus package, the founder of WALP was suggesting they should vote in favor of it or else be seen as obstructionists.
It would be a much better alternative to just fix the Republican Party by replacing Steele with someone who will purge the RINOs.
Buddahpundit on April 2, 2009 at 6:32 PM
MB4 on April 2, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Why not call ourselves the Conservative party?
I would also go along with “Bull Moose” if Sarah Palin was running it, and definitely not dedicated to Teddy’s progressivism.
joe_doufu on April 2, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Third party? Silly.
How about calling it the “Guaranteed No Republicans Ever in Office Again” Party.
More than two parties is why Europe govts. are so weak. They spend most of their time trying to get a coalition together to see who rules. And then spend the rest of the time arguing with each other.
albill on April 2, 2009 at 6:33 PM
The new party needs Snuggies. That’s how you bring in the people. You give ‘em Snuggies.
SnarkVader on April 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM
It’s happened before—isn’t that how the Republican party got its start?
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I’ve been thinking about this a lot in the last few months.
We should call our third party the Liberal Party. Take back the word from statists/progressives and get out country back to the “classical” liberal roots of our founding.
Nessuno on April 2, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Sarah Palin holding a rapier would be a better recruiting tool.
MB4 on April 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I’ve always had a soft spot for the Libertarian party. I’m curious, what do Hot Air’s readers think of it? No snarks, please, just tell me what you like or don’t like about their positions.
Caiwyn on April 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM
If history is any guide, that’s exactly what would happen: the Republican party would dry up and go away, either that or the Democrat party would.
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM
What would they called themselves? The Patriot Party? Independent Conservative Party?
SnarkVader on April 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM
The 3rd party of course.
Denotes the place they will finish in.
artist on April 2, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I have to agree wtih you, snark. And ShamWows. Forget the atheist t-shirts, you just give the masses shamwow!
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 6:40 PM
That is pure genius. Imagine the confusion!
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I think that statement……….
………. should be put on a flag in front of about 50 million people standing outside of the Capital Building.
Seven Percent Solution on April 2, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Bucket of Warm Spit Party, eh? Hmmm. Sorta’ has a nice ring to it, donchathink’, collie?
My collie says:
CyberCipher on April 2, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Do we have to be atheists to join the your new party, AP? If not, I might consider it… but I don’t want to be called an ALWPINO.
frankj on April 2, 2009 at 6:43 PM
There are too too many people who call themselves Libertarian. And it means about what people want it to mean. Some are crack pots some are not. I generally agree with the live and let live idea but then… if you do that the people who want to “change” always win.
There is just too much baggage attached to the term. That’s what I think.
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I don’t like their foreign policy and national sovereignty platforms. On domestic policy I’m fairly libertarian but there is an ocean between us elsewise.
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Guilty as charged.
SouthernDem on April 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Everyone shall be issued a Snuggie with Hitchens’s drunken mug on it.
Allahpundit on April 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM
My domestic shorthair cat wants to know if your collie wants to call the new party the “Alpo” party?
I believe the party would be best served by calling it the
American Party.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Wait, can I still have the t-shirt? I don’t wear my snuggie in public. Often.
SouthernDem on April 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM
This is more crap from Gingrich who loves the sound of his own voice. You start a new party and you count the Dems run the Governmet forever
KBird on April 2, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Hitchen’s mug makes me want to take a shower when I see it, all that smoke and what not. It defeats the purpose of the comfortable snuggie, I will gag everytime I am enveloped in its fleecy snuggleness.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I believe the party would be best served by calling it the
American Party.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at
That would be divisive.
artist on April 2, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I agree.
Remember George W. pushed so hard for the unfunded liability called Medicare prescription drug program….
who is paying for that?
Remember, Bush pushed for the unfunded liability of Merida Initiative, for the purpose of securing Mexico’s porous and open SOUTHERN border with……………..Guatamala!!!!
Newt is right on here.
ColtsFan on April 2, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I’ll hold out for a Religious Conservative Secularist Party, which promotes secular conservative government but is theism friendly.
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:51 PM
They pass amnesty for the illegal aliens, it’s going to happen anyway. They are already creeping toward that with Nopolitano ordering the ‘employers’ to be focused on. The illegals that were busted in the lastest WA raid were given temporary cards allowing them to go back to work……I’ll bet there are a lot of Washingtonians that would have loved a crack at those jobs….but again, WA is full of idiot, granola eating liberals, so maybe not.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Hitchens did pretty well tonight on Hardball. He irks me on a lot of points but I like when anyone corrects Matthews on the facts.
msmveritas on April 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM
I just saw Benedict Arlen Sphincter’s anti-Pat Toomey commercial. LOL. Arlen accuses Toomey of being a derivatives trader, as if that makes him some sort of fiend.
Arlen, just let go.
Philly on April 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM
The Atheist, Snuggily, Drunken, Greedy, Liberal party!
Wait a minute… are we the Democrats?
petunia on April 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Now that would be sick, I love it!
Michelle is right to be pissed at the GOP, they really need to shed that “go along to get along” BS and show some principle. Otherwise, they will simply remain the “other democrap party”.
Zorro on April 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM
PS-Thanks for posting the video, Allah.
Zorro on April 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM
I agree with Michelle but i think it will happen much later than 2012.You need to start from the bottom up first.A few Gov, Rep and sentors first then the White House.The only thing that could save the Rep.party is the total ridance of most of the rinos like Specter, Collins,Snowe,Graham and yes McCain types.It will be painful at first and we may not live to see it come to full flower.But our children and grandkids will.
thmcbb on April 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM
You’re against it anyway.
The anti-socialist party. Now, that’s divisive.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM
If the Repubs continue to be the “loyal opposition of no,” the Dems will probably continue to run the government. The Republicans need to take some of Gingrich’s ideas (or at least come up with their own) and start marketing.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM
I felt that need just before Sarah Palin made her speech. I was even honestly contemplating voting for Fraulein Cigarperson for a bit.
I’ll follow where Sarah leads. Maybe I’ll actually meet Michelle there. :oP
DannoJyd on April 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM
These Republicans in DC are living in an alternate universe.
JellyToast on April 2, 2009 at 6:56 PM
My collie says:
CyberCipher on April 2, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Here’s a divisive, yet stirring name:
The Anti-San-Fran-Nan Party.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 6:56 PM
A Third Party is not a good idea. Take back the GOP. That’s the answer.
BottomLine5 on April 2, 2009 at 6:56 PM
That would be the west side of the state. The east side, and perhaps most other areas outside of the greater Seattle/Tacoma metropolitan area, are still pretty conservative; although the locusts are streaming in here just like elsewhere so I’m not sure how long it will last.
FloatingRock on April 2, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Conservative shouldn’t waste resources and time on 3rd oparty talk. We need to reform the republican party. Round up the RINOs and put ‘em out to pasture.
jbh45 on April 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Agreed – and start letting the libertarian leaning individuals have more of a voice. No more of this “compassionate conservatism” which is nothing more than a guise for Statism.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM
It’s more than that. I watched some of the House budget debate just now and IMO the Dems looked weak. Not that the budget will pass but the ideas in the vote need to be pounded on to the public. No one will see CSpan and if we continue to allow the Dems and MSM to frame the argument we lose and that is that.
msmveritas on April 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM
We’re the proud owners of an institutionalized legacy government wholly separate and on their own agenda from the lower caste they govern with little more association with the masses other than the Palinization of any ordinary people who dare to challenge.
What could go wrong? Shouldn’t we appreciate our station in life?
Speakup on April 2, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Anytime you get out of the metro areas, you start thinking more clearly, more like a conservative. I feel your pain, rock. Northern New Mexico is a plethora of stupidity, Sante Fe and Albuquerque, and the southern part is mostly forgotten because heaven forbid, most of us like to work hard, pay our taxes, and live our conservative lives. Unfortunately, the idiots in Sante Fe/Alb. like Seattle/Tacoma, run the state.
HornetSting on April 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM
If we’re going to start a third party, now is the time to do it. And it should be called the Patriot Party, the emblem being either a Revolutionary War soldier or a bald eagle.
ErinF on April 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM
The biggest problem with third parties is that it would take decades to build the political infrastructure they need: money, public recognition, and especially congressional support. Even if Ross Perot, the most successful third party candidate of the modern age, had won in 1992, he would have faced a Congress with not one seat held by members of his party. He would have been fairly easy for the Democrats to bend to their will. (I doubt the Republicans would have been able to muster the political ferocity to do the same – they’d have been more likely to look for ways they could accomodate Perot, provided their personal political fiefdoms were not jeopardized.)
It would take a generation to build up a party that could replace the Republicans outright, and as the people who sat home because they didn’t like McCain in 08 have discovered, allowing the Democrats total power for even one election cycle can have disastrous consequences. Splitting the “red state” vote for 10 or 12 years would bring the Great Conservative Third Party to maturity just in time to face a government that had effectively outlawed them – they’d get to be the slightly right of left of center party.
God help us, America’s hopes rest with the GOP. Period.
Doctor Zero on April 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM
No, the democrats are:
The Satanist, Huggies, Drunken, Greedy, Social party!
portlandon on April 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Every once in a while, the political party landscape in this country does change. The last really drastic change though was in the 1850s when the Whig Party died and the GOP took its place. I think it’s a little too early to be thinking third party just yet; however, now is the time to put the heat on our GOP leaders and let them know in no uncertain terms that we are torqued off in a major way and that our patience has just about reached its end. 2010 will be very important for a lot of reasons. If the GOP has not gotten the message by that time, then yes, I can very easily see a new political party rising.
Regarding someone’s query about the libertarians–there are some points I agree with them on, others I disagree. They tend to be a bit too isolationist for my liking, and I’m a federalist as regards issues such as abortion and gay marriage–in other words, I believe those issues should be decided by the people in the individual states either directly through referendum or indirectly through their state legislatures, but that policies should not be set at the federal level. Legalization of drugs is another issue on which I part company with the libertarians on.
To be honest, as a classical liberal in the Adam Smith and Jeffersonian tradition, I like the idea someone had of retaking the Liberal label back with a new party calling itself the Liberal Party.
Matt Helm on April 2, 2009 at 7:08 PM
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