Video: Iowa politicians don’t like citizen involvement

posted at 10:14 am on April 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Our neighbors to the south in Iowa don’t exactly have a reputation for stoicism, thanks to the quadrennial presidential caucuses, but they’re not exactly known as radicals, either. Fellow Midwesterners like myself will be surprised to see Iowans this agitated over something other than a populist politician making a bungee visit during primary season. In fact, they got so angry over the state legislature’s consideration of a new tax on tax that the legislature cleared the chambers rather than listen to more protests:

More than 500 people who are upset with a plan to change Iowa’s tax laws were cleared from a hearing tonight at the Iowa House after they interrupted multiple times.

House Speaker Pat Murphy, D-Dubuque, cleared the crowd at about 8:30 p.m. The decision brought about loud protests as the crowd was escorted from the chambers by Iowa State Patrol officers.

“This is the most atrocious thing I’ve seen in the history of the 15 years I’ve been a lobbyist. Pat Murphy has acted like a jack-booted Nazi,” said Ed Failor Jr., president of Iowans for Tax Relief, a conservative taxpayers’ rights group from Muscatine with 50,000 members.

Iowa wants to end their rather unique tax policy of federal deductability.  Iowans pay state taxes on income after deducting what they pay Uncle Sam in income tax.  I’m not aware of other states that allow this; I know for certain that neither California, Arizona, nor Minnesota have this policy from first-hand experience.  Iowa Democrats want to raise almost $600 million in new revenues from this policy, although now they say they want to provide balancing tax cuts for most income brackets.

Needless to say, Iowans are not impressed with this logic, especially in a recession that has hit their state hard already.  With seasonal flooding affecting businesses on top of the economic turndown, protestors demanded an end to tax increases, especially on taxes on money Iowans don’t keep anyway.  The bigger issue now though isn’t the tax per se, but the fact that their political elite just booted them out of the hearing for expressing their anger.

The “jack-booted Nazi” remark is complete hyperbole, but one does have to wonder why Iowa legislators seemed more interested in hearing themselves talk than their constituents.  It may be a while before they have to face the voting public for re-election, but don’t expect Iowans to forget this insult.

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Don’t mind getalife’s blather nor DTMH’s deeply-penetrating political (mega sarc) thoughts…the cheap insults on the other hand from the guy mentioned above…that’s not acceptable at all.

RepubChica on April 1, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I agree, this capitulus person just goes from thread to thread making nonsensical, inflammatory comments just to incite turmoil. That is the definition of a troll.

carbon_footprint on April 1, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I do remember that and that was not right. He has said cruel statements to many that are on our side. He doesn’t read the words. That is what annoys me. Is some people read what they want to see. Not the words.

sheebe on April 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I agree that they are a problem and wonder re the limits of tolerance.

OTOH their presence does serve to be a visible reminder of the vile nature of a significant part of the left that we constantly need to confront. It also presents a showcase, for their infantile behavior and true nature, for Conservatives and Independents to view who elect not to visit such hate sites as DKOS and HuffPo.

Yoop on April 1, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The first indication that there’s a problem in Iowa is that they elected someone with the last name Fong. Just saying..

pcpower1 on April 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Update from Iowa: I’m listening to Jan Mickelson (local Des Moines radio) this morning, and the people who attended booed the first speaker after he spoke, but were then quiet and only applauded speakers after that. But the media (surprise!) only reported the boos. Of course.

Also, Republican leader Kraig Paulsen asked for time to speak, but wasn’t recognized and so he shouted that no one should be escorted out because it was public hearing…

beatcanvas on April 1, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Hey, if you get tired of Iowa’s taxes, you can always come to my state Californ…

ah…heck. Never mind.

kurtzz3 on April 1, 2009 at 12:05 PM

The alternative is to have fake public meetings, where you let people go on-and-on-and-on, and the same nutcases show up year-after-year-after-year.

Then, you get back to business.

AnninCA on April 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM

The first indication that there’s a problem in Iowa is that they elected someone with the last name Fong. Just saying..

pcpower1 on April 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM

The Fong guy was against the taxes so I presume he is a conservative.

carbon_footprint on April 1, 2009 at 12:07 PM

It’s going to Palin all day isn’t it? Ugh. Lovely April Fool’s day joke. If I were a Palin lover here at Hot Air, I’m not sure if I would be offend or not.

What’s say you?

Lance Murdock on April 1, 2009 at 10:21 AM

No, not at all. It’s fun and well, it’s not the worst thing to look at. It could have been Pelosi pictures all day.

myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Also, Republican leader Kraig Paulsen asked for time to speak, but wasn’t recognized and so he shouted that no one should be escorted out because it was public hearing…

Just because it’s a public hearing, doesn’t mean that Democrats have to hear from the public.

The public’s there to provide an audience for Democrats to lecture to.

NoDonkey on April 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM

No, not at all. It’s fun and well, it’s not the worst thing to look at. It could have been Pelosi pictures all day.

myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM

That would be horror for sure. A good April Fools reminder too.

sheebe on April 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

In a few have to log out and get ready for work. You all have a very happy April Fool’s day. I will be back later.

sheebe on April 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Theoretically, I’d have to opine that Iowa would not be “taxing taxes” under the proposed plan, as you’ve described it, Ed. With two taxes applied to a certain income, there would be no rationale for necessarily applying one of these taxes to what is left over from the other.

If anything, the deduction would appear to “correct” the progressive nature of the federal income tax (although I am not familiar with Iowa’s rates after the deduction is taken). By contrast, if the federal government were to offer a similar deduction vis-a-vis state income taxes, it would favor those more heavily burdened by their respective states (hmm, California maybe?).

A conservative could hardly favor the latter, of course, since it would produce some awful consequences by incentivizing higher state taxes. Is the former approach sensible, though? I suppose it would be, especially since progressive taxation itself is a tragedy, but this has more to do with state-specific policy preferences than with the theoretical elements of taxation.

As far as public meetings go, that is again a state-specific issue to me. I could see the sense of placing limitations on such forums, especially given the fact that the same Iowans can go back and express their opinions at the voting booth. States are republics (guaranteed this by the federal constitution, even), so we’re not talking the Ancient Athens public square here.

Go ahead, call me an elitist. I’d be voting the same as those angry Iowans though.

cackcon on April 1, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Wow, did not know about this until now. As typical, dimmi’s are trying to raise our taxes. But this time, I would say they probably pissed off a lot of people doing this. I know I’m an angry Iowan and will vote to remove any of the idiots from office.

Charger73 on April 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Unfortunately, this is not rare in Iowa. This attitude from Demonocrats goes all the way through local government, and even school boards. When they do not want to hear from the people they shut them out. Trust me there are many of us who want to go after these communists, which is what they are. Unfortunately memory seems to be a problem here and they don’t seem to want to learn, or never learn.

rpercifield on April 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

The alternative is to have fake public meetings, where you let people go on-and-on-and-on, and the same nutcases show up year-after-year-after-year.

Then, you get back to business.

AnninCA on April 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM

A truly progressive solution could be the Card Check approach. Call it the Public Hearing Free Choice Act. When you show up at a public hearing, you simply show your voter identification card along with copies of all the ballots showing how you voted in previous elections. Then, it would be so much simpler to remove the threats to public decorum and hold effective public hearings.

Loxodonta on April 1, 2009 at 1:04 PM

It may be a while before they have to face the voting public for re-election, but don’t expect Iowans to forget this insult.

Are you kidding? Most will have forgotten all about it by the time the next American Idol episode ends.

Bruce in NH on April 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

This “all Cuda, no commercials” thing is rocking my balls.

chunderroad on April 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I could see the sense of placing limitations on such forums, especially given the fact that the same Iowans can go back and express their opinions at the voting booth. States are republics (guaranteed this by the federal constitution, even), so we’re not talking the Ancient Athens public square here.

Going to the voting booth after the tax is passed by the rascals that need to be thrown out is after the fact and taxes
once enacted never go away.

old trooper2 on April 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM

What? A Democrat ruling with an iron fist, drowning oout opposition? Oh, this must be April’s Fools Day afterall!

Grafted on April 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Purge iowa from USA then decalre war on them.
This could fix the problem with iowa

If Sarah palin commands it it will thus be so.
Why you ask.
Because she rocks

kangjie on April 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM

What? A Democrat ruling with an iron fist, drowning oout opposition? Oh, this must be April’s Fools Day afterall!

Grafted on April 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Just wait. April Fools day for America started when Obama was inaugurated.

old trooper2 on April 1, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Unfortunately, this is not rare in Iowa. This attitude from Demonocrats goes all the way through local government, and even school boards. When they do not want to hear from the people they shut them out. Trust me there are many of us who want to go after these communists, which is what they are. Unfortunately memory seems to be a problem here and they don’t seem to want to learn, or never learn.

rpercifield on April 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Yes, Iowans are sheeple. A few of us bleat about the tax and spend govt we have, but for the most part Iowans don’t put up much of a fight. The Repub leaders here are about the most spineless you can imagine.

Just an example of how dumb most Iowans are: I got into a discussion with a democrat over the Porkulus bill, he was against it because it was written by the Republicans and it had way to many tax cuts that we couldn’t afford. ?? Huh?

HalSandro on April 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM

cackcon, You have not read the bills. I have.

*The proposal, House File 807 and Senate Study Bill 1317, would end a practice known as federal deductibility. That means Iowans could no longer subtract what they pay in federal income taxes from their income when figuring their state taxes.

Ending federal deductibility without changing anything else would mean Iowans would pay an estimated $595 million more in taxes. However, Democrats have proposed a plan that would instead lower the state income tax rates and increase certain tax credits to offset the increase.*

This is redistribution of wealth. Now, the folks that would see huge tax increases are Farmers, Small Business Owners, You know, the Productive types that offer jobs, bolster the Rural Economy, that is Main Street Iowa in small towns. I have never been offered a job by someone that didn’t have any money or the ability to generate a product or service of some kind. Small Business keeps Small Town Iowa alive & well between harvests and pay a lot of taxes employ a lot of folks, on small profit margins. They are not AIG Bonus pogues. Iowa Economy 101 for you.

old trooper2 on April 1, 2009 at 11:52 PM

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