Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on April 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
“I simply can’t believe it. This stunning, unprecedented action has left me speechless for the past two days. I keep saying, ‘Did Obama really fire the chairman of General Motors? The wealthiest and most powerful corporation of the 20th century? Can he do that? Really? Well, damn! What else can he do?!’
He has the massive will of the American people behind him—and he has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit. If you liked this week’s all-net three-pointer, stay tuned.”
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Like this eagle…? Hmmmm
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM
unfortunately you failed to address the issue that government investment helped the US and germany out of the depression, which had nothing to do with “slave labor.” you also ignore that sweden provides an example that private institutions can be nationalized and the reprivatized without any harm to your precious liberties. sweden is responsible – they didn’t bail out saab, right? – but they did went ahead and nationalized banks, liquidated shareholders, etc. so you’re just defeated your own argument, that we should worry about government’s power grab.
sesquipedalian on April 1, 2009 at 11:29 PM
HA commenters, so long as getalife and horde ruin threads on HA, go on strike. Sooner or later someone will notice and get rid of such auto-comment-generators.
This back-fro with them is utterly stupid, self included.
Duplicate comment on purpose,
Entelechy on April 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Socialist, fasciss, communist.
Make up your minds cons.
He is the President of the United States of America.
getalife on April 1, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Here getalife, let me help.
Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals through elected representatives rather than as a collective nation or race (individualism, liberalism, representative democracy); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (communism, class conflict oriented labour movements, internationalism, and laissez-faire capitalism); that protects and empowers people deemed weak and degenerate (egalitarianism) and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation (pacifism); that may seek to preserve any of the privileges, institutions and cultural values that fascism seeks to overthrow traditionalism and conservatism).
What throws you, and a lot of other people, is the misconception that fascism is somehow a conservative thing. Far from it. Fascism by the classic term is a government controlled economy with CEO’s appointed by a central authority through the judicious control of political power. The coin of the realm in any government control is a collectivist state.
Capitalism is antithetical to governments. You can’t have laissez-faire concepts intermingled collective controls. The reason fascism has always been mispoken is because reporters are sloppy in their definitions and use the word as connotation instead of its denotation.
The definition comes directly from wikipedia, no conservative website.
itsspideyman on April 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM
While I agree with you somewhat Entelechy, there are still people out there that think Fascism is “right” and Communism is “left.” With those two terms, it doesn’t work that way.
Hitler was not Christian, he was in with the occult and he hated religion as much as the left in this country do now. So we need to get it through people’s heads that Fascism and Communism is wrong and can be brought on by anyone (right, left, center, whatever).
MobileVideoEngineer on April 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM
It wasn’t “government investment”, it was increased production that got us out of the Depression. But you ignore the essential differences between FDR and Hitler.
ddrintn on April 1, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I would agree with you for the most part; however, I don’t think that Hitler hated all religions. He hated all non-secular religions, but he wanted the people to embrace his new religion/way of life…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I was pleasantly surprised that Beck finally is calling it what it is–fascism. Though he neglected to call it liberal fascism–which it is–and also included Bush and some of the right which is simply absurd. NOTHING that happened under Bush, or any right-leaning pol or administration is remotely close to what’s happening now under Obama and what happened under other progressives like Woodrow Wilson. Every single one of them is a leftist–as fascism is a leftist ideology.
It is tragic that so few know what real fascism is, and who the real fascists are (liberal progressives, the same who constantly hurl the word at their opponents). As most of us know, the truth doesn’t matter any more and perception and characterizations are accepted as truth by most. But there is no book I’d recommend more than Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism; if everyone read that enough people would wake up and we’d reverse all of this and the leftists would never be in power again in America.
Patriot33 on April 1, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Note that this, of course, is completely the fault of GM and absolves anyone in this position to be completely free of blame.
SouthernDem on April 1, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Well, that’s pretty much the same way with now. I mean the “green movement”, political correctness, etc could all be considered secular “religions”.
MobileVideoEngineer on April 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Difference between Obama and Reagan
Obama fires the managment Reagan would have fired the union
EricPWJohnson on April 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Another fact to consider is that the early 20th Century took its cues from neo-Classicist design. Buildings, art, and symbols were taken from Rome, just as at the Founding of the nation. Germany,during the same era, also took the same influences- they just, uh, over did it a wee bit.
cadetwithchips2 on April 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Funny, the left called w a fascist too.
getalife on April 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Although Bush is no fascist, in the end he will have his fair share of blame. Because he let government get bloated, he literally paved the way for Obama to easily introduce his “alternative path” without a huge shift in the power that the government had/has…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:35 PM
And what tenet of fascism did W embrace?
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Precisely! see my post above.
cadetwithchips2 on April 1, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Don’t forget the waxy deposits of smegma in his tiny genitals that he has not seen, nor washed in a decade……….
……….. pleasant dreams!
Seven Percent Solution on April 1, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Yeah, pretty much. At least a way of life removed from the more traditional Western mindset (I should be a little careful with this definition…)
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM
I’m sorry, I thought that government confiscation of private property enterprise, etc was addressing the situation enough. If those things don’t matter to you; and think the state has any right do all of that, then – yeah, it worked out quite well, didn’t it?
Just repeat your mantra – “Obama is Hitler; and I feel fine with that.”
Once again. Sweden’s banks are like kindergarten compared to ours. They are not the center of the financial world. Ours are. What worked there, will certainly not work here. But, hey if you think People like Maxine Waters can determine coherent bank policy, then, again, enjoy the command economy.
Treasury/Obama want unlimited power (again, without congressional approval) to nationalize industries that “might” be in trouble. If you don’t see a problem with that, then enjoy your command economy.
By your definition; Obama is irresponsible; cuz not only did we bail out GM, he fired the CEO (without any approval from anyone) and is, in fact, planning on more in the future.
Enjoy the command economy.
Yes. Someone’s argument was defeated. But once again, it’s not who you think.
lorien1973 on April 1, 2009 at 11:39 PM
As we’ve learned, every accusation by the left is simply an exercise in projection.
lorien1973 on April 1, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Damn it! You stumped her.
carbon_footprint on April 1, 2009 at 11:40 PM
George Tenet
getalife on April 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM
I was expecting the instant, “Well, he hates teh babies…” but apparently someone is googling …
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM
This should make sesquipedalian and getalife happy:
Massa, can we have some money please?
lorien1973 on April 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM
I’m assuming that’s a mans name and not a political belief…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Why????? WHYYYYY????
Mine was bad, but that was….. ginormously gross!!!!!!
katy on April 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM
George Tenet is fascism?
myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Apparently. It’s a working definition. It’s called the “well, definitions were meant to be redefined” method of argument.
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Now if only Obama will do something about the greedy, gluttonous, massive, consumption by liberal swine such as Michael Moore, who consume far more than their share of the world’s bounty. It is my opinion that his daily alimentary intake could sustain an African family of five for a week. Plus it is obese, crusty, unwashed pigs such as Mikey who bankrupt the healthcare system for the rest of us.
bloggless on April 1, 2009 at 11:47 PM
LOL bless her heart.
Google ‘tenet’ sweetie.
carbon_footprint on April 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Is that like “the living, breathing” definition?
myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM
I’m holding my breath waiting for him to lead the world in taxing Soros at a 90% rate… I’m turning blue in the face…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM
This was a popular link for the left:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
getalife on April 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Nationalsozialismus or National Socialist German Workers.
Johan Klaus on April 1, 2009 at 11:49 PM
I can decide if she (getalife) is clever or addled.
myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 11:50 PM
And, by the way, George Tenet was a holdover from the Clinton Administration.
Bill Clinton, a man that I would gladly trade for the current Car Dealer in Chief.
carbon_footprint on April 1, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Well, both modes of arguments are used by the same group of people… Hmmm… Wow, they could start like a new school of thought… Anyone have a Latin name for this group?
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:50 PM
How much has Obams’s recession cost your retirement?
Johan Klaus on April 1, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Damn, that was funny too. I still chuckle sometimes, hearing it again.
TexasDan on April 1, 2009 at 11:50 PM
“(H)e has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit.”
We gave him absolute power? I don’t remember seeing that option on the voting ballot, does anyone else?
Crusty on April 1, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I could never have imagined that someday coconut heads like Michael Moore would speak from a position of power. It’s like the cartoon characters have taken over.
Wine_N_Dine on April 1, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I haven’t heard that word used in years and only from 1 other person besides myself. Thanks for the laugh.
thomasaur on April 1, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Nope. But the Constitution means less and less every day in the USA. Too bad, too, it was a pretty dang good document.
Daggett on April 1, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Yes, when I see images of Bush, I think, he’s just like his buddy Berlusconi… they both hated the immigrants and such…
Ah, Bush the European-like right-winger…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:54 PM
And now O wipes his a$$ with it…
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that I was voting for one guy to get to follow the Constitution as it pertains the executive branch, while protecting dearly, the Bill of Rights.
myrenovations on April 1, 2009 at 11:56 PM
And, honestly, I don’t really care which website you go to in order to pleasure yourself. Again, how did Bush model himself after Mussolini?
Upstater85 on April 1, 2009 at 11:56 PM
You know, you’re going to make him use it again in a another sentence…. watch….
katy on April 1, 2009 at 11:57 PM
The human propensity for misguidance literally has no limit.
Speakup on April 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM
And when you get done with Levin’s book, get reading this one too. The author was on Glen Beck on Monday and I found a copy at the library and have almost finished it.
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
This book puts a whole lot into “perspective”
Knucklehead on April 2, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Ask the left.
I just said they called w a fascist too.
getalife on April 2, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Aside from all of that silliness, FDR was a great human being. I’m *shocked* that the left doesn’t use some of his stirring rhetoric about the races when trying to persuade minorities to vote for them.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Hitler said the Jews should be exterminated… Just saying.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:04 AM
I’m still waiting for the, I assume, brilliant explanation of how George Tenet is fascism.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Moore couldn’t have dreamed of a better ending to Roger and Me.
Could Columbine and Sicko be sure to follow?
katy on April 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM
See, she doesn’t think that. The lefty talking heads just tell her that. She tries not to form an opinion, but it kind of seeps through…
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Right on one, wrong on two. Hitler was against “International Communism” which he felt robbed a country of its culture for no good reason. His version was National Socialism. It wasn’t simply a competing brand, but an significant difference.
Additional note, I like Beck, but his pointing to a traditional use of a fasces is pretty useless. Just like pointing to the pre-Nazi swastika. These were traditional symbols.
The fasces just represents something most of us know without any sinister undertones: that there is a great strength in unity. It’s silly that we have to fear the shadow of a movement that ended by reciting “Our Fuhrer” in their churches, simply because we can celebrate strength through a reasonable unity.
Face it the irony of using the word “fascist” is that when it works, it unites people against you. Strength and unity are also good in opposing totalitarianism or autocracy.
Axeman on April 2, 2009 at 12:09 AM
He may have been a great human being in your eyes or maybe you got brainwashed like I did from my folks who thinks he’s wonderful but I prefer to read the facts and make up my own mind.
I guess paling around with Mussolini and cheating openly on your wife is ok.
Knucklehead on April 2, 2009 at 12:11 AM
People need to turn their sarcasm meters on more often.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM
But was Hitler against communism because he sincerely couldn’t embrace it or was it because it wasn’t something that he had thought of himself? I’m not sure, but I think that one reason Hitler couldn’t embrace communism was because their were a few aspects that he felt couldn’t coexist in his Utopian dream of Aryanland; however, he did embrace the tactics, rhetoric, and much of the economic thoughts…
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM
I was totally going to let her slide with a cut & paste job from one of those whacko sites.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Sorry for the sarcasm…
Thanks
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:14 AM
See getalife is the scary thing about Wikipedia. She could at this very moment be writing the definition of fascism:
Whatever the left says.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM
of course they are. but it illustrates the simple fact that just because government nationalizes private companies when they’re in trouble, it’s not necessarily on the path to
socialismfascism.no. what i was trying to suggest is that sometimes responsible, free-market oriented governments do nationalize
private businesses. so spare me the wailing and gnashing of teeth over that. tim geithner, whether he paid his taxes or not, is a first-rate economist, who’s an expert, mind you, in economic crisis and recovery. at this point, i want him to succeed in whatever he thinks is best. there’s simply no better option. in fact, the most credible critic of tim geithner is krugman, who claims we should be doing more spending, not less. krugman’s recent claims about what’s needed to be done, has not been refuted from the right in any shape or form.
now, back to your history books.
sesquipedalian on April 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Beck is learning as he goes along. He isn’t an historian. He picks things up quickly, but doesn’t always have the deep background needed to weed out things.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:16 AM
And your evidence for that statement is…?
ddrintn on April 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM
But what fun we will have when the White House press kit contains getalife’s definition of George Tenet.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Ah… so now we know that Obama aid who’s in charge of gifts…
I was just about to ask. jinx
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:19 AM
You know I love you all…………..
………. yes, it will be just a matter of time.
Or……..
……… we could focus on the “toe-jam” of Lt. Worf?
Seven Percent Solution on April 2, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Economic genius Geitner.
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That’s rich. Every example you’ve stated (Sweden, Germany, etal -were or are- socialist/fascist) countries and they did nationalize industries. But they weren’t necessarily on that path. Gotcha. The nuance is dripping.
Nationalization is the exact opposite of a free market. Free markets let companies fail or succeed. It doesn’t subsidize their failure. That’s what your overlords do.
Yes, please memorize the 25 planks of the nazis. They’ll come in handy. Cross them off as we pass them for me, okay?
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM
We better have more than just Tea Parties.
Kini on April 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM
You and Michael Moore sure do seem willing to hand over all the power in the world to Obama and Geithener.
Then again, you’re the girl who needs them to make you quite smoking, aren’t you?
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Your washington overlords want you to further embrace the command economy.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Yep. Can’t do nothing without orders from the Feds.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:24 AM
I’m telling you, man… she’s going to grow out the body hair now that’s she’s in Europe. The toe-jam will be totally covered up.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM
mein gott, have you ever heard of the international monetary fund (IMF)? you know what they do? they manage economic crises. geithner happened to be president IMF, just before he became president of the new york fed. unmoglichkeit.
sesquipedalian on April 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Teh One should create a website telling us that vegetables are good for the body (and soul)
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Absolute untoppable line of the day:
Not unlike “the most credible critic of Malenkov was Kaganowitsj.”
Really, it’s OK. I’m not laughing at you. Really.
warbaby on April 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM
And did a marvelous job.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:28 AM
He’s already made one telling how to cope with every day problems.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM
That doesn’t tell me anything. I know he had a big hand in the AIG bailout as well, in which he showed, um, interesting skills, eh? Where is the evidence of being a first-rate economist and en expert at “recovery”? Being a bureaucrat isn’t the same thing.
ddrintn on April 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM
So, Paul Wolfowitz is also an economic genius that you would give absolute power to?
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM
Oh. I forgot. That marvelous job he did at the IMF and the Asian Crisis is how he’s handling the situation here in the US.
Enjoy that thought!
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM
The following quote from Patriot33 shows how important it is that we stop using the term “liberal” to refer to “the other side,” as you put it.
Patriot33 obviously uses the term liberal here to mean “the other side”–because liberal-facism is an oxy-moron in the strict sense of the term “liberal.” Now that they are exposing their illiberality more and more, it is imperative that we stop calling them liberals. I wish there were a better word than “statist,” all those “ist” terms remind me of my Trotskyist phase–”you obscurantist, revisionist, petty-bourgois reformist. . .” Ugh! Can we just call them A-holes? Yeah, I know, not very precise . . .
smellthecoffee on April 2, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Yeah it should have been to whom you’d give absolute power, but it is late.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM
He also worked wonders with Citigroup.
ddrintn on April 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Oh you mean the IMF where Timmy worked, got reimbursed for his tax payments and then pocketed the money?
Knucklehead on April 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM
This Geithner?
I bet the Chi-coms wish he could plan their economy for them… Speaking of which, I heard some of my Chinese colleagues bitching about how Obama’s plan is making things worse – but what would the Chi-coms know about centralized government planning?
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I’ve been told that we are to call them all George Tenet. Which is also George Tenetism. Or even Tenetistic.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Yep. He’s the living example of the peter principle.
That he can’t fill any other seats in the treasury says no one wants a piece of this mess he’s creating.
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Au contraire, stc. Brilliantly precise.
warbaby on April 2, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Yeah, I was talking to some of my Chinese colleagues. They have great faith in the O plan for recovery (/sarc).
Actually, they were quite upset that O’s policies were making things worse… but what would they know about centralized government planning…?
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:35 AM
+1
“We need our tetanus shots…” says getalife.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Michael Moore is dazzled with Obama’s power. He better hope he likes the guy wielding a stick this big.
P.S. I don’t.
MaxMBJ on April 2, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Moore, Bawney, and Chris are literally the whores of the O. Of course Teh One doesn’t call them this. He refers to them as concubines.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:38 AM
One should never use the word smegma (in relation to Michael Moore… or anything else)
without the other words in the sequence:
“Spasmodic” and “The far-flung isles of Langerhans“.
Both of which fit the bulb-bellied, zap-headed goofball Moore.
profitsbeard on April 2, 2009 at 12:39 AM
first of all, people in sweden have a much higher standard of living than we do. second, it’s an example that government, even a socialist one, can nationalize and later reprivatize banks and other private institutions. so, if they follow this model, which they obviously plan to do, then i’m fine with it, and you should be too.
sesquipedalian on April 2, 2009 at 12:42 AM
No honest broker could possibly compare the standard of living between Sweeden and the US because of the difference in population size and the vast difference in population make up.
myrenovations on April 2, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Yes. I’ve said repeatedly that you should embrace the command economy that your overlords are creating.
You are content to be ruled from DC; and for that, I salute you, serf.
Don’t believe your own lies. Ok?
lorien1973 on April 2, 2009 at 12:48 AM
This is slightly off topic (but related). Both Sweden and the US have a very “nationalized” education system. In other words both have a large public education budget; however, the Scandinavian models are significantly better (at least in the learning of facts). Why are US public schools in the shape they are? No one in main stream politics is calling for abolishing public schools – only the “nut jobs” like Paul.
Upstater85 on April 2, 2009 at 12:48 AM
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