The expansion bill that Bush veto’d merely allowed for the restart of the 21 funded lines.
So yes. Bush lied.

strangelet on April 1, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Wow, you went a long way to get to that “lie”, its a shame you don’t show the same diligence with your own candidates.

I understand you want combat the enemy (the Conservatives) and counter their arguments, but don’t you care in the least whether your own politicians are misleading you? I mean, I’m against any liar/crook regardless of their party affiliation, aren’t you?

…denies she did not know. I’ve seen her type many times.
Poptech on April 1, 2009 at 1:43 AM

Of course you have, you’re a member of the Democratic party.

Palin is a never ending laugh factory…

Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent (Video)

Poptech on March 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

I know! Politicians are so funny/phoney, it could be a sitcom. Did you know that President Obama didn’t even know that there are 50 states in the USA? He thought there were 57, and he’s the freakin’ President…hahahahaha! Seriously, we could sit here all day and do this, it just amazes me how the stupidest people are running our country (into the ground) and yet people keep voting for them!

Un.Believ.Able.

Palin is a bullshit artist, when she doesn’t know something, she bullshits, reads up on it and denies she did not know. I’ve seen her type many times. This is how she gets through her political career, being cute and saying nothing.

Poptech on April 1, 2009 at 1:43 AM

You mean just like Obama? If the man didn’t have a prepared speech and a teleprompter, he would fall flat on his face from tripping over his UMM UMM UMMs

McCain cynically went after the PUMA voters.
Unfortunately for him, they could tell the difference between Hilary and Sarah.
Fail.
The 18 to 29 demographic isnt ever going to relate to Palin…..shes more like our moms then like one of us, especially with all the dissin’ of teh college-educated and “elites”.
We are the SNL/Colbert/Stewart generation.

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I think you have pointed out exactly why you are braindead. SNL/Colbert/Stewart are all nothing more than entertainment shows. They do not practice serious news and if you believe they do then you are even more lost than I fear. The only thing that most America can do is hope that you folks grow up and get a clue before you are truly responsible for this country.

Good riddance. Palin, with her state school education could tell that Obama was a socialist whilst the ivy alumni got hoodwinked into believing that he was a moderate.

adagioforstrings on March 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM

+10

Palin is a never ending laugh factory…

Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent (Video)

Poptech on March 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

…for the feeble minded, like Poptech.

Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent is a LIE!

Just what we’d expect from a Barr-voting, Obama-electing tool.

Palin is a never ending laugh factory…

Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent (Video)

Poptech on March 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Like a moth to a flame, the Palin-stalker shows.

-Yawn.-

Fox News: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent (Video)

But after I saw Bush lie on stemcells, Iraq, torture, small government and free markets my ideal candidate became anyone that was the epi-polar opposite of Bush.
…

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Ah. A serial liar.

Bush didn’t lie about stemcells. He laid out very honestly exactly what his position was, and why. You must be thinking of Obama, who made a big deal of overturning Bush’s policy to “give science its proper place,” then signed legislation a couple days later that banned embryonic stem cell research. The, when asked about the ethics, suddenly claimed he had “struggled” with it. Dishonest, opaque, deceitful. If lying really concerned you, you’d be shouting to the rooftops what a disappointment Obama is.

Bush didn’t lie about WMD’s. First, Saddam unquestionably had WMD’s, since he used them against the Iranians and against the Kurds. So the whole “where are the WMD’s?” is a dishonest question from the beginning. Secondly, Saddam had 16 months to hide or move his WMD’s during the “rush to war” the media liked to — dishonestly — talk about. Third, evidence of WMD’s has been found in multiple cases in Iraq, even though the stockpiles themselves were not found. But the evidence showed they had been there at one time. And fourth, even if we granted you your lying claim that Iraq never had WMD’s, it’s undeniable that our intelligence through both Republican and Democratic administrations believed they did have them. Bush would have to have known the intelligence was wrong in order for your claim that he was lying to be true. But it wasn’t wrong. Saddam simply made sure the WMD’s were never found.

Bush certainly never lied about torture. I’ll pass over the argument whether waterboarding — the most stressful technique used — constitutes torture, considering that members of our military endure it every year as part of their training. Regardless, Bush never pretended that it wasn’t used. Even though it was unpopular, he not only didn’t hide it, but defended its use.

On the contrary, Bush did away with Clinton-era “rendition,” where we claim we didn’t torture anybody, but hand them over to some other nation or group who will. Bush was too honest to play that game. He took the responsibility for all interrogation and interrogation tecniques. But what has Obama done? He re-started rendition. If someone needs toruring, he’ll just turn them over to people who don’t mind doing it, then pretend that he was above it. Obama’s claim to stand against torture is a sham.

Bush had his faults, but lying wasn’t one of them.

It is one of your faults, though.

Exit question: Do gender politics make it more likely that they’ll overplay their hand with her than with Limbaugh? If they’re putting out one ad after another beating up on her while she’s lying low and taking care of business in Alaska, it’ll quickly seem gratuitous.

1-Yes, they will overplay it but it will come back and bite them in the face because they are the only ones that have made Sarah a “Republican” issue, that has to be dealth with; if we fall in the trap of letting THEM pick whoever’s gonna run for ’10 or ’12, then we have not learned our lesson yet.

2-Basically she has talk radio on her side; it is the McCains that have a problem with her. They will fetch the family to accomplish this task. That is one angle; fascinating because of a myriad of fine men, or in House or Congress, they have to pick “her”.

3-To the smarter folks here, that follow the news, go online and want to ask, those hundreds of thousands that are joining us in the process because their eyes are opening up, they will smell the dead fish (pun totally intended).

4-She must pull an Ann Coulter and do absolutelyfriggin’ nothing.

Gotta have dinner (paella) so brb with further comments. My family is more important than what those dingbats in DC, we are aware of it and will counteract it in a very confident way.

We lost this election because McCain, as a moderate, made the mistake of picking a CONSERVATIVE as his running mate, instead of ANOTHER moderate.

IT’S…………ALL BECOMING CLEAR TO ME NOW!

Had McCain picked someone exactly like himself, why this last election would have been MUCH MUCH CLOSER.

/sarcasm off

Are you for real? You’ve got to be joking, right? McCain’s campaign was dead in the water before he picked Palin. With no Palin he loses even worse than he did.

We tried the ‘WE MUST RUN A MODERATE’ strategy with McCain. We were told it was the ONLY way we could win. All those independents sitting in the center were there to be had if we would run a DEMOCRAT-LITE strategy.

Well you’re not FOOLING ANYBODY.

DEMOCRAT-LITE DON’T WORK.

This next election the Republican party goes full out conservative.

She is interesting as a field study in cognitive anthropology…she cleaved the party along the intellectual faultline, and the GOP lost about half of its braintrust; Powell, Brooks, Frum, Buckley, Will, Parker, etc.

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Good riddance. Palin, with her state school education could tell that Obama was a socialist whilst the ivy alumni got hoodwinked into believing that he was a moderate.

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/the-universe-sends-sarah-palin-the-wrong-french-toast/

“the Palins are now in debt to the tune of $500,000 because crazy Obama Democrats keep filing ethics complaints against her (for things like wearing an Arctic Cat jacket to a snowmobile race, saying she was advertising a product, when in reality, the woman was just keeping warm and the Arctic Cat jacket was the best piece of winterized sportswear she owns).”

McCain cynically went after the PUMA voters.
Unfortunately for him, they could tell the difference between Hilary and Sarah.
Fail.
The 18 to 29 demographic isnt ever going to relate to Palin…..shes more like our moms then like one of us, especially with all the dissin’ of teh college-educated and “elites”.
We are the SNL/Colbert/Stewart generation.

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I have control issues, I admit it…I have to comment.

McCain cynically went after the PUMA voters.

This is what idiotic buffoons on the left think because that is the caca that the DNC spread (to enrage the PUMAs). If you have a couple of braincells left to rub together, you’d recognize this is class warfare speak. Think for yourself. The primary reason that McCain picked Palin was to secure the right-wing of the party, its not even a close race without the support of the right. Think about that for a second, imagine if John McCain *did not* have the surge of support that he got from having Palin on the ticket, the financial support would have also been a large factor, especially in those last weeks.

Next on the list would be to secure at least a little of the 18-28 crowd, granted this was a pipe dream, but anything is better than nothing. Lastly, it would be to get a **few** disgruntled Hillary supporters. You will need to realize that there just weren’t that many disgruntled Hillary backers that would (a) not vote for Obama and (b) consider voting for McCain. Any moderate females were already split, so there was no great gain there. In fact, I would bet a good deal of money that Palin’s looks were more of a problem with female voters than a benefit in the females won from the PUMA camp.

As far as college educated voters go, I don’t recall being “dissed” for being educated, although I think that its perfectly fine that she smacked around the elites (read; Brooks, Noonan, Buckley, etc.) because middle America doesn’t like those people. In general, whenever someone starts thinking that they’re better than everyone else, it usually means they aren’t. There is a reason that America has become cynical about the Washington DC crowd/politicians, they are unprincipled in general and often crooked (on both sides of the aisle). Palin appears to be a principled person, that is part of her attractiveness. When you get a little older, you might come to appreciate the same value.

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Being the most popular governor of a state with less population than the Chicago suburbs is not going to help, sry.

Yeah, you’re right. Winning an election is no big deal. There’s no moving goal line there.

Hey, I’ve got an idea, let’s just move all of the conservatives to one state, then we can dismiss that state too!

You know, not to point out the obvious, but even with a small population, what’s really important is her performance which is probably (I’m just giving a WILD guess here) connected with her popularity. For a moment, let’s just dismiss California, because everyone knows that they are just a bunch of outliers (being every citizen is wildly liberal), so if Ahnold isn’t popular its because he’s a far right demagogue…yes, that makes total sense.

Supposition: Palin is unelectable.
Response: Palin was elected in Alaska and she was more popular that John McCain.

Supposition: Palin lacks human capital.
Response: Alaska is doing better than California.

Supposition: Palin is a national punchline.
Response: Palin is very popular in the state where she was elected.

Counter: Well, Palin was elected in some backwoods state with zero population so she doesn’t count.

/eyeroll

Yeah, that explains it. Fall back on the same old tired stupidity. I suppose I have to give up because your PDS has too strong a hold on you to have an intelligent conversation. Just go on, nothing to see here…Palin CAN’T POSSIBLY win an election, pigs will start flying first. So, anyway, wth is the problem with the Broncos?

The tactic of changing subjects, moving the goal-line and dismissing rebuttals out-of-hand is a winning game plan. Your college education is failing you, better pick a better school.

I’m a hereditary republican. Guns, dogs, and Pony Club.
Bush got my virgin vote.
But after I saw Bush lie on stemcells, Iraq, torture, small government and free markets my ideal candidate became anyone that was the epi-polar opposite of Bush.
I got as far away from Bush as I could.
I doubt Ill ever go back.

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Her mother was supposedly a beauty queen and Reagan voter. Anyone would vote for Bush over Gore and Kerry. That makes strangelet a minority in a posh suburb who has a weak grasp of the issues but votes on the cool factor. Blue Dawg Dem.

or if it is the basic lack of human capital David Brooks spoke to,

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

The David Brooks who lets the White House dictate his columns? That guy in the Sally Jesse Raphael glasses?

Geministorm on March 31, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Your posts are often very informative. Keep them coming.

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 5:34 PM

As a cynical gesture, McCain’s targeting former Hillary supporters paid off, since Sarah Palin had Harriet Christensen and Lady Rothschild and Angie Harmon supporting her selection as VP. THe McCain ticket gained 27% of the gay community over Bush’s 2004 election results. There appeared to be an appeal there, though you may argue soccer moms in Jersey didn’t go for the GOP ticket in the end.

It seems you put a lot of faith in the youth vote, which barely paid off for Obama this year. The results show his victory was more from depressed Republican turnout.

Being the most popular governor of a state with less population than the Chicago suburbs is not going to help, sry.