Daniel Hannan: When exactly did we become less fiscally responsible than France?

posted at 6:25 pm on March 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Yes, it’s him. No comment needed here from me — if there’s any conservative politician out there whose words don’t require elaboration, it’s this guy — but Krugman’s op-ed on our Madoff-esque economy isn’t a bad complement to his point about France. Simply enjoy the minty freshness of this palate cleanser, from his critique of the inertia of bailout “logic” to his condemnation of generational theft to his grim prognosis for a conservative revival near the end. It’ll happen eventually, but how long is “eventually”?

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And when Europe is telly you you spend too much, you know it’s a problem.

rbj on March 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

yeah, that dude rocks, we need more conservatives like him in America.

kirkill on March 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

The Czech pres. saying Obama’s policy’s are a “road to hell” was pure gold.

kirkill on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

If this guy had more hair, he’d be the UK’s next PM.

What? Don’t give me that… You know I’m right.

ScottMcC on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

“You cannot carry on forever, squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive” – Spot on, Mr Hannan. won’t fit easily on a T-shirt, however.

Vashta.Nerada on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

They don’t have to squeeze forever, only long enough to kill the private sector and allow the government to take control.

The problem for Ogabe is that he’s too dumb to realize that he’s doing everything too fast.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 6:36 PM

One European who the leftists won’t find so “cultured and intelligent” I guess.

Grayson on March 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM

With other government/automaker Joint Ventures like Hugo and DeLorean as examples for Government Motors to follow, what could go wrong?

DrW on March 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Gosh, we need Hannan as the House or Senate minority leader.

ddrintn on March 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Please tell me I didn’t miss the obligatory dig coming from Robert Gibbs. Has he made a negative comment about this man yet?

sherry on March 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

If this guy had more hair, he’d be the UK’s next PM.

What? Don’t give me that… You know I’m right.

ScottMcC on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Pffft. Churchill was thin on top. ;)

ddrintn on March 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM

It’ll happen eventually, but how long is “eventually”?

Not long enough for the eeyores in the crowd.

irishspy on March 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

See? Our media can’t hear the truth of anything unless it’s spoken with a British accent.

We won’t clean up our act until Simon tells us we suck, Tabatha slaps our hair stylists around, Gordon Ramsey closes our kitchens, and the Nanny trains our children. We’ve been overdue for a British politician to do a reality show live from our Congressional chambers.

Joan of Argghh on March 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I love it when British men say, “because.” Don’t ask why. Weird. Carry on.

Mommypundit on March 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

You know, I’ve never heard of the name Daniel Hannan before this video. But after seeing him in the video, I’m glad people like him are still around in Europe.

FontanaConservative on March 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

I love this guy Hannan. I really do.

I am not an ideilogue. I think that some government intervention in a limited way in a real crisis might well be justified. But this is getting entirely out of hand. Entirely.

Terrye on March 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I

love it when British men say, “because.” Don’t ask why. Weird. Carry on.

Mommypundit on March 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

I feel the same way when they say “schedule”. I also have a fondness when a French man says my name. The accent is a powerful thing, sometimes.

sherry on March 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Has he admitted wanting Obama to win the election was a mistake?

Christien on March 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Maybe he would like to be Conservative Party Chair of the USA?

tarpon on March 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Baldness is a crown of wisdom.

Dr. Manhattan on March 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

If this guy had more hair, he’d be the UK’s next PM.

What? Don’t give me that… You know I’m right.

ScottMcC on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

You are right, and that’s really sad. Catastrophic, better than sad, actually.

ProfessorMiao on March 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Seems we haven’t given up on the alternative to spending your way to prosperity or borrowing your way out of debt. Namely, capitalism. Let the market choose winners and losers, this isn’t your kids soccer game.

Angry Dumbo on March 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

It still astounds me that people believe the enormous national debt, which is the main driver of our current economic woes, was somehow caused by something Wall Street did. Wall Street didn’t bankrupt Social Security, Wall Street didn’t create the Great Society, Wall Street wasn’t the one that has been progressively taxing our money away in ever larger percentages and then spending the money like drunken sailors.

Wall Street hasn’t prevented Americans from drilling for domestic oil that would create jobs, lower our energy prices, create energy security and provide a new source of revenue. No, it wasn’t Wall Street that did any of those things, it was the federal government, the blame lies almost exclusively with the United States Congress.

Maxx on March 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Of course this fellow is absolutely correct, but he also seems more than aware of the core problem.

Sheep are amazingly eager to follow the pied piper. And it seems to take a true disaster to persuade them otherwise.

For those of you not into analogies, the sheep are people around the world, and the pied pipers are the politicians, who care not a whit about the people, who make the most outragesous promises imaginable.

We aren’t even close to the bottom yet.

notagool on March 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

A Hannan/ Obama debate on capitalism and the free market economy would be priceless.

LASue on March 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

“You cannot carry on forever, squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive” – Spot on, Mr Hannan. won’t fit easily on a T-shirt, however.

Vashta.Nerada on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Make it fit.

CurtZHP on March 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM

The real reason you all are blubbering over this guy is that you deep-down crave one of ours to dress down The One like he did to his PM. OOOOOH, who should it be??

PaCadle on March 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Europe has long depended on us to overspend, and it’s the only disingenuous point in an otherwise excellent discourse. As long as the US consumer was consuming, France could be expansive and oh-so-bored with fiscal frugality. And Switzerland could remain neutral. And Sweden could finance its socialism. And they could all freely hate on the U.S. “the great whore” while they abused the trust of their own people.

Joan of Argghh on March 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

This guy has to have been born in the USA. I mean, who is going to tell us otherwise, Team Barry? Hehe. Hannan ’12.

Leopold Stotch on March 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

I love it when British men say, “because.” Don’t ask why. Weird. Carry on.

Mommypundit on March 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Note to AllahPundit: Why should you work on your British accent?

Because!

Loxodonta on March 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

I like this guy too, but we are only high on him because he’s a guy with a British accent who happened to be in a forum where he was able to directly confront the PM. Regarding his eloquence, we have a lot of libertarian/conservatives over here who do just as well (Gingrich, Sanford, etc)… it’s the novelty accent we like.

DaveS on March 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Has he admitted wanting Obama to win the election was a mistake?

Christien on March 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Politicians don’t admit to making mistakes but I think his comment “Mr. President I’m talking to you” amounts to much the same thing.

aengus on March 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Europe has long depended on us to overspend, and it’s the only disingenuous point in an otherwise excellent discourse. As long as the US consumer was consuming, France could be expansive and oh-so-bored with fiscal frugality.

And Switzerland could remain neutral.

And Sweden could finance its socialism. And they could all freely hate on the U.S. “the great whore” while they abused the trust of their own people.

Joan of Argghh on March 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Swiss neutrality doesn’t depend on the U.S. Everyone in Switzerland is conscripted into army reserve training and gun ownership is near-universal.

aengus on March 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I never tought I would tell Obama to listen to Germany and France about anything!!! Do you think there would be dancing in the streets of Europe if Obama resigned about now?

I have always like Sarkozy (for them not us) And Merkle is turning out to be a quite sensible woman. Didn’t she live in East Germany when she was young? That could give you some street cred on socialism.

petunia on March 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM

The real reason you all are blubbering over this guy is that you deep-down crave one of ours to dress down The One like he did to his PM. OOOOOH, who should it be??

PaCadle on March 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I don’t think it would even be covered in the main stream press here. They are all too busy trying to make Obama look competent.

petunia on March 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Three questions:

Are we part of the Anglo-Saxon world anymore?

When does the guy in the Whitehouse take off the mask and reveal his real identity: Bernie Madoff?

Why do words coming out in a British accent just sound smarter?

petunia on March 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

When exactly did we become less fiscally responsible than France?

I dunno, but the dims are definitely now the corrupt, crony, bailout and send the country into financial oblivion party.

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Wait, Hannan is basically my age? Holy Cousin It, he looks ten years older!

Losin’ your hair totally ages you… At least we stayed thin while everyone else in our age group got fat.

ScottMcC on March 30, 2009 at 7:33 PM

And when Europe is telly you you spend too much, you know it’s a problem.

rbj on March 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Rather like Pepi Le Pu telling you you need to take a bath.

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM

The only SIMPLE question that anyone needs to get an answer to is, “How can anyone spend their way out of debt?”

The answer is also very SIMPLE (and sane one as well) – “One can not.”

Yet the government is trying to apply Yankee ingenuity to this economy and trying to come up with a solution of spending which will create an ever increasing debt (an expanding sinkhole).

Hopefully some sense will be discussed at the G20 for US, UK economies.

OneConservative on March 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Hannah makes an insightful observation about the confusion some people have between frenzied activity and competent leadership during a crisis and how the two are not synonymous. The current economic situation has caused too many people to simply want government to “do something”, allowing Obama, and apparently Brown, to pursue their extreme ideological agenda in the confusion.

Plus, Hannah used the word “sanguine” correctly in a sentence while speaking extemporaneously — only a Brit could pull that off.

cruadin on March 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Is it me or was Mika hot for that dude? Anyway…

his grim prognosis for a conservative revival near the end. It’ll happen eventually, but how long is “eventually”?

Eventually is what he described. A complete collapse. People will only learn the lessons when it all comes crashing down. We have generations that are completely ignorant of free market principles. Ignorant of liberty. Ignorant of the foundations of the nation. How do you unlearn everything you know? It all has to be proven false right in front of their eyes. When the segments of the population that craves and clings to the state for whatever reason sees the state fail, only then will they be open to new information. Without that they will always believe in the state. The statist must see his utopian crumble before him before he will be open to liberty and free enterprise.

So I say again, burn it down Barack, burn it down…

Theworldisnotenough on March 30, 2009 at 7:49 PM

One extremely bright light in a sea of darkness.

And even though I don’t speak British English, his use of language is delightful–perhaps enhanced a bit because I sometimes have to stop and think about what he said.

lsheldon on March 30, 2009 at 7:49 PM

He could make a fortune giving speech and backbone lessons.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Daniel Hannan for U.S. Senate!
(Or, better yet, governor of California.)

Tzetzes on March 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Eventually is what he described. A complete collapse. People will only learn the lessons when it all comes crashing down.

Which is why, although he was hardly going to suggest it himself, it would be better if Mr. Hannan’s Conservative Party under its present leadership of David Cameron and his toffee-nosed chums lost the next British election.

This is not a Leninist perspective – if I thought the Convservative Party were any better than useless I’d be glad for them to gain power but they aren’t. So why not another five years of the literally blind and figuratively deaf Gordon Brown?

aengus on March 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

The statist must see his utopian crumble before him before he will be open to liberty and free enterprise.

So I say again, burn it down Barack, burn it down…

Theworldisnotenough on March 30, 2009 at 7:49 PM

The scary thing is I think we are larded down with the type of statists in the US and Britain, who won’t even open their eyes once it’s all completely crashed and burned.

AUINSC on March 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Problem: Nobody in the US Senate has the BALLS to give Obama a tongue lashing like this guy did to the British PM. Somebody should take the podium on the Senate floor in front of CSPAN and give a speech like this directed at Obama not the members of the Senate and lecture him. Our President is purposefully doing these things to America. It’s not that he’s incompetent. He’s fully competent and is knowingly doing this to our country. Knowingly. It is him and the people who paid a half-billion dollars for the Presidency that have a defined agenda they are strong arming on the American people.

Strike that. He doesn’t need a tongue lashing, he needs a good bitch slapping. Something I bet Michelle Obama does every night to keep that wussy in line.

timajin on March 30, 2009 at 8:04 PM

And when Europe is telly you you spend too much, you know it’s a problem.

rbj on March 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Like WC Fields telling you you drink too much and are too hard on the kids….

I’d say it started when Tipsy O’neil decided to match every dollar in increased revenue under Reagan with 1.33 in new spending….

sven10077 on March 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Was there ever a time when Wall Street and business in general had reporters who knew enough about business to be the watchdogs? It seems to me that the media should play a bigger role but if they are paid by these people or share an ideology, as with our current majority, they are willing to turn a blind eye. But the financial world is pretty complicated so maybe they never have been equipped to find corruption.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Why do words coming out in a British accent just sound smarter?

petunia on March 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It’s not just the accent, it’s a training in oratory that’s totally lacking in our country (and has been basically since the rise of television and the pedagogy of John Dewey).

Take this Hannan on the one hand and Hitchens on the other. Both born bright kids, but then trained from youth: the former went to school at Marlborough and the latter to The Leys. At these independent schools I’m sure they had better teachers and a much better curriculum than I did at my American state one. There’s an ocean of difference between British “Public” [=private] Schools and American “public” [=government-run] schools.

(By the way, at University Hitchens went to fine old Balliol [BAY-lee-ull] and Hannan to “Toriel“, so called for its conservative tendencies and on the opposite end from Wadham College, a.k.a. “The People’s Republic of Wadham”, a.k.a. “Wadham & Gomorrah”.)

Tzetzes on March 30, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Reporters used to be willing to nail balls to the floorboard even if they did not understand the “nuance”….

The Jungle

THE HISTORY OF THE STANDARD OIL COMPANY
BY
IDA M. TARBELL

Now if you are in a newsie approved racket you get a pass…

sven10077 on March 30, 2009 at 8:14 PM

sven10077 on March 30, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Thanks for the info. I think when the history is written about this time, the media will get a lot of ink on their abdication of their jobs on almost every level. I am at the point where I think their personal lives are open for scrutiny since they seem to determine the winners and losers but remain untouchable. I am pretty sure they don’t deserve immunity.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I am pretty sure they don’t deserve immunity.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I play hard with trolls, I think Conservatism needs to get over the attitude of “we’re better than that and won’t act like them…”

Pajama’s Media should have a hard hand to go with the softer ones….

a series of viral exposes and investigations of the newsies playing Kingmaker would be gold.

sven10077 on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Joan of Argghh on March 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

That was probably true until about 12 years ago. It’s no longer the case.

lexhamfox on March 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

He’s a smart man. Listen to what he said about the GOP when Cavuto interviewed him ..

popularpeoplesfront on March 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM

CurtZHP on March 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM

“Welfare is the State telling the citizens it will buy all the poverty they care to produce.”

You’d be amazed what you get when that happens…

Blacksmith on March 30, 2009 at 8:45 PM

This may be a tad outside of conventional thought, but I’m all for sending a SEAL team to the UK, kidnapping Hannan and waterboarding him until he agrees to run for U.S. President, in 2012. We can work out all of the “legal” issues as we go along.

Star20 on March 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

+1 for the LOTR reference.

- The Cat

MirCat on March 30, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Star20 on March 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Ok, but were do he hide his birth certificate? *ducks and runs*

- The Cat

MirCat on March 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM

The real reason you all are blubbering over this guy is that you deep-down crave one of ours to dress down The One like he did to his PM. OOOOOH, who should it be??

PaCadle on March 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

How soon we forget…this speech!

das411 on March 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM

That guy is awesome.

CP on March 30, 2009 at 9:17 PM

the minty freshness of this palate cleanser.

The understatement of the year. My record of heterosexuality is unblemished, but I am in love with this man.

Jim-Rose on March 30, 2009 at 9:43 PM

If this guy had more hair, he’d be the UK’s next PM.

What? Don’t give me that… You know I’m right.

Does the UK have a Vice Presidency? Hannan can try plugs.

jgapinoy on March 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Am I hearing things, or did the host keep calling Daniel “David?”

Daggett on March 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM

how long is “eventually”?

This is my worry. I am still young. I don’t want to spend the rest 60 years of my life (hopefully) with a fascist America. So, how long is it going to take for Americans to realize the horrible mistake they made in 2008?

amkun on March 30, 2009 at 10:23 PM

The Czech pres. saying Obama’s policy’s are a “road to hell” was pure gold.

kirkill on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I love visiting the Czech Republic and I wish that nation and people only the best of all good things.

Hilts on March 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM

sven10077 on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Agreed. Now if someone with a platform would take the idea and run with it.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Does the UK have a Vice Presidency? Hannan can try plugs.

jgapinoy on March 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM

It has a Deputy Prime Minister.

aengus on March 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Someone buy this man a ticket and a hotel room for the Boston Tea Party redux.

Our own side should emulate this sort of profundity.

moxie_neanderthal on March 30, 2009 at 11:31 PM

aengus on March 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I completely agree. I do not want a Republican surge in 2010. I want Democrats to have the majority in both houses in 2010. Until the collapse is complete the Republicans can use the time to promote conservatives and purge the RINO’s. I’d rather see Specter lose his primary no matter the eventual outcome of the race. If we have a Democrat freshmen senator in PA then so be it. The worst is not over. China and Russia are already complaining loudly about the dollar. Wait until 2010. That is when the majority of the stimulus will be spent. The dow will have nominal increases (inflation) but by 2011 China will be finished building the strategic oil reserves and will most likely have spent off a large portion of their dollar reserves on resource companies, and maybe have a currency backed in gold or significant gold reserves. (China is the largest producer of gold) China and the world being in a position to get off the dollar will cause a currency crisis here. No need to have Republicans on deck for that.

Romney Sanford 2012

Theworldisnotenough on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 AM

This is not the MSN I am use to. It must be that Hannan supported Obama

darktood on March 31, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Hannan and Zo as a Road Show for Tax Day! That would be great!

michaelo on March 31, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Switzerland has been allowed to remain neutral. Some think it is an act of Swiss will alone that makes this possible. It is a relatively (and formerly)safe Europe, guarded by the United States, that gives the Swiss the luxury of “neutrality.”

51,000+ US citizens have assets hidden there. You think it’s just a buncha Republicans? Moreover, when the masses start calling for bankers to swing from lamp posts (as they are currently being groomed to say) how long before eyes turn to the world’s most discreet enablers of political graft?

Joan of Argghh on March 31, 2009 at 6:39 AM

I frickin Love this guy.

I only wish we had at least ONE leader here no afraid to speak like this.

jdsmith0021 on March 31, 2009 at 6:47 AM

crap, NOT Afraid to speak like this

jdsmith0021 on March 31, 2009 at 6:48 AM

“You cannot carry on forever, squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive” – Spot on, Mr Hannan. won’t fit easily on a T-shirt, however.

How about just a “I’m part of the productive bit” T-shirt?

Daemonocracy on March 31, 2009 at 8:16 AM

“You cannot carry on forever, squeezing the productive bit of the economy in order to fund an unprecedented engorgement of the unproductive” – Spot on, Mr Hannan. won’t fit easily on a T-shirt, however.

Vashta.Nerada on March 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

That’s PRICELESS. It sounds like something our forefathers would have said.

scalleywag on March 31, 2009 at 9:15 AM